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"J Young" |
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28 Nov 2005 08:05:44 AM |
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Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions |
This should not come as a suprise. Americans are by-and-large decent folk
who recognize murder, no matter what sugar-coated label the LLL places on
it.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat1844.html
Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions, Want Limit but No Ban
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A new poll conducted by Gallup finds that
most Americans still oppose most abortions and back limits like parental
notification but they don't support a Constitutional amendment banning most
abortions.
On the matter of abortion in general, 54 percent of Americans oppose either
all or most abortions as thirty-nine percent of those polled believe
abortion should only be legal in a few rare circumstances, such as rape,
incest or to prevent the death of the mother. Another 16 percent say
abortion should never be legal.
Just 42 percent generally support legalized abortion with 26 percent saying
it should always be legal and 16 percent saying it should be legal in most
circumstances.
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions |
28 Nov 2005 10:55:17 AM |
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*This should not come as a suprise. Americans are by-and-large decent
folk
*who recognize murder, no matter what sugar-coated label the LLL places
on
*it.
As usual, our RRR (retarded religious rightist) nazi turd is talking
through his *****.
Please explain us by which logical twist "people who recognize murder"
don't "want a complete ban".
So it is OK to "murder" a little, right? How and when? Who will decide?
Beside, a country that still applies death penalty doesn't really
qualify as "decent" for me... but that's another topic...
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| User: "Sasha" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions |
28 Nov 2005 08:22:26 AM |
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Americans are by-and-large decent folk
who recognize murder, no matter what sugar-coated label the LLL >places on it.
Sounds interesting. I especially like the part where you say that most
Americans are decent and recognize murder...which, of course, throws
everything into a tizzy when the survey you cite reveals that they
oppose a constitutional ban on abortion.
So what does that mean? That Americans recognize "murder", and yet they
still want it to be a legal option?
Doesn't sound very decent to me.
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions |
28 Nov 2005 08:48:44 AM |
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"Sasha" <scironi@gmail.com> writes:
Americans are by-and-large decent folk
who recognize murder, no matter what sugar-coated label the LLL >places on it.
Sounds interesting. I especially like the part where you say that most
Americans are decent and recognize murder...which, of course, throws
everything into a tizzy when the survey you cite reveals that they
oppose a constitutional ban on abortion.
So what does that mean? That Americans recognize "murder", and yet they
still want it to be a legal option?
Doesn't sound very decent to me.
I think J Young posts while roaring drunk.
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions |
28 Nov 2005 09:02:49 AM |
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Sasha wrote:
Americans are by-and-large decent folk
who recognize murder, no matter what sugar-coated label the LLL >places on it.
Sounds interesting. I especially like the part where you say that most
Americans are decent and recognize murder...which, of course, throws
everything into a tizzy when the survey you cite reveals that they
oppose a constitutional ban on abortion.
So what does that mean? That Americans recognize "murder", and yet they
still want it to be a legal option?
Doesn't sound very decent to me.
What it means is that "most Americans" know that unlike *MURDER*
abortion is a legal procedure and that they know anti-choicers lie to
try and make points.
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| User: "Jafo" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions |
29 Nov 2005 02:55:56 PM |
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As viewed from alt.california, Mimi Cohen wrote:
What it means is that "most Americans" know that unlike *MURDER*
abortion is a legal procedure and that they know anti-choicers lie
to try and make points.
Both sides do, as evidenced by the recent California ballot measure
regarding parental notification. Nowhere in the proposition did it
require parents to give their consent; merely that they be informed
of a surgical procedure performed upon their underage daughter. They
have to be informed of any other such procedure - indeed, they have
to give consent. But somehow, abortion is different.
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Jafo
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions |
29 Nov 2005 03:08:08 PM |
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Dirty Uncle Jafo, abortion gone wrong, mumbled:
| Nowhere in the proposition did it
| require parents to give their consent; merely that they be informed
| of a surgical procedure performed upon their underage daughter. They
| have to be informed of any other such procedure - indeed, they have
| to give consent. But somehow, abortion is different.
Funny how you suddenly know so much about child-rearing, Dirty Uncle
Jafo. How many kids did you say you've had again ?
And I don't mean underage boys.
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions |
29 Nov 2005 07:45:51 PM |
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wrote:
Dirty Uncle Jafo, abortion gone wrong, mumbled:
| Nowhere in the proposition did it
| require parents to give their consent; merely that they be informed
| of a surgical procedure performed upon their underage daughter. They
| have to be informed of any other such procedure - indeed, they have
| to give consent. But somehow, abortion is different.
Funny how you suddenly know so much about child-rearing, Dirty Uncle
Jafo. How many kids did you say you've had again ?
And I don't mean underage boys.
You're very free with the implied accusations of sexual impropriety in
others, you seem to spend quite a bit of time dwelling on it, an
unhealthy amount of time. Maybe you should look to yourself before
imposing your sickness on others.
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| User: "Jafo" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions |
29 Nov 2005 03:14:22 PM |
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As viewed from alt.california, Slick <hc23hc@mac.com> foamed at
the mouth:
Dirty Uncle Jafo, abortion gone wrong, mumbled:
| Nowhere in the proposition did it
| require parents to give their consent; merely that they be informed
| of a surgical procedure performed upon their underage daughter. They
| have to be informed of any other such procedure - indeed, they have
| to give consent. But somehow, abortion is different.
Funny how you suddenly know so much about child-rearing, Dirty Uncle
Jafo. How many kids did you say you've had again ?
And I don't mean underage boys.
Evasion noted.
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Jafo
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| User: "DCI" |
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29 Nov 2005 03:12:18 PM |
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On 29 Nov 2005 13:08:08 -0800, wrote:
Dirty Uncle Jafo, abortion gone wrong, mumbled:
| Nowhere in the proposition did it
| require parents to give their consent; merely that they be informed
| of a surgical procedure performed upon their underage daughter. They
| have to be informed of any other such procedure - indeed, they have
| to give consent. But somehow, abortion is different.
Funny how you suddenly know so much about child-rearing, Dirty Uncle
Jafo. How many kids did you say you've had again ?
And I don't mean underage boys.
Were you molested as a child?
DCI
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions |
29 Nov 2005 07:47:39 PM |
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DCI wrote:
On 29 Nov 2005 13:08:08 -0800, wrote:
Dirty Uncle Jafo, abortion gone wrong, mumbled:
| Nowhere in the proposition did it
| require parents to give their consent; merely that they be informed
| of a surgical procedure performed upon their underage daughter. They
| have to be informed of any other such procedure - indeed, they have
| to give consent. But somehow, abortion is different.
Funny how you suddenly know so much about child-rearing, Dirty Uncle
Jafo. How many kids did you say you've had again ?
And I don't mean underage boys.
Were you molested as a child?
DCI
and creating other victims from the other side now. Slick does spend an
inordinate amount of energy accusing by implication sexual molestation
of children and most everyone knows that the vast majority of molesters
are past molested victims.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions |
29 Nov 2005 03:17:51 PM |
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DCU offered:
| Were you molested as a child?
No thank you.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions |
28 Nov 2005 09:58:17 AM |
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In <-7mdnUE_6tG6khbeRVn-hg@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
This should not come as a suprise. Americans are by-and-large decent folk
who recognize murder, no matter what sugar-coated label the LLL places on
it.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat1844.html
Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions, Want Limit but No Ban
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A new poll conducted by Gallup finds that
most Americans still oppose most abortions and back limits like parental
notification but they don't support a Constitutional amendment banning
most abortions.
On the matter of abortion in general, 54 percent of Americans oppose
either all or most abortions as thirty-nine percent of those polled
believe abortion should only be legal in a few rare circumstances, such as
rape, incest or to prevent the death of the mother. Another 16 percent say
abortion should never be legal.
Just 42 percent generally support legalized abortion with 26 percent
saying it should always be legal and 16 percent saying it should be legal
in most circumstances.
And yet from the same article:
"But on the question of a Constitutional amendment banning all abortions
except for those to save the life of the mother, Americans oppose it by a
61-37 percent margin."
You know, twitboy, it's quite possible to believe that a right should be
exercised with restraint but should remain a *right. Don't get too hyped
up over the numbers who oppose the *act when the vast, vast majority
believe the *right should remain...
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Mark K. Bilbo
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Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "S. Maizlich" |
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28 Nov 2005 10:19:32 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <-7mdnUE_6tG6khbeRVn-hg@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
This should not come as a suprise. Americans are by-and-large decent folk
who recognize murder, no matter what sugar-coated label the LLL places on
it.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat1844.html
Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions, Want Limit but No Ban
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A new poll conducted by Gallup finds that
most Americans still oppose most abortions and back limits like parental
notification but they don't support a Constitutional amendment banning
most abortions.
On the matter of abortion in general, 54 percent of Americans oppose
either all or most abortions as thirty-nine percent of those polled
believe abortion should only be legal in a few rare circumstances, such as
rape, incest or to prevent the death of the mother. Another 16 percent say
abortion should never be legal.
Just 42 percent generally support legalized abortion with 26 percent
saying it should always be legal and 16 percent saying it should be legal
in most circumstances.
And yet from the same article:
"But on the question of a Constitutional amendment banning all abortions
except for those to save the life of the mother, Americans oppose it by a
61-37 percent margin."
You know, twitboy, it's quite possible to believe that a right should be
exercised with restraint but should remain a *right.
Sorry; this makes no sense at all, and never has, not
even when ***** Bill said that abortion should be
"safe, legal and rare." If it's a *right*, then it is
NONE of anyone's business how frequently I exercise it.
So by saying it should be "rare", or the right to it
exercised with "restraint", you are IMPLICITLY
acknowledging a deep moral problem with it.
I don't claim to be a theologian or even a very good
philosopher, but *IF* life does begin at conception -
and who the ***** are you, you hedonistic pig, to say it
doesn't? - *THEN* it follows *inexorably* that abortion
is morally murder. Don't try the stale sophomoric
***** that because it's legal it isn't "murder";
slavery is universally viewed by everyone in the
pro-abortion camp as *ABSOLUTELY* morally wrong,
despite the fact that it was legal in much of the
civilized world for far longer than it has been
illegal, and it was this view of its indelible moral
taint that fueled the abolitionist movement.
Anti-abortion activists know full well that abortion is
momentarily legal, but that it no way alters its moral
status.
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| User: "grinder" |
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28 Nov 2005 11:13:08 AM |
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"S. Maizlich" <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote in message
news:o6Gif.6676$wf.6147@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <-7mdnUE_6tG6khbeRVn-hg@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
This should not come as a suprise. Americans are by-and-large decent folk
who recognize murder, no matter what sugar-coated label the LLL places on
it.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat1844.html
Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions, Want Limit but No Ban
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A new poll conducted by Gallup finds
that
most Americans still oppose most abortions and back limits like parental
notification but they don't support a Constitutional amendment banning
most abortions.
On the matter of abortion in general, 54 percent of Americans oppose
either all or most abortions as thirty-nine percent of those polled
believe abortion should only be legal in a few rare circumstances, such
as
rape, incest or to prevent the death of the mother. Another 16 percent
say
abortion should never be legal.
Just 42 percent generally support legalized abortion with 26 percent
saying it should always be legal and 16 percent saying it should be legal
in most circumstances.
And yet from the same article:
"But on the question of a Constitutional amendment banning all abortions
except for those to save the life of the mother, Americans oppose it by a
61-37 percent margin."
You know, twitboy, it's quite possible to believe that a right should be
exercised with restraint but should remain a *right.
Sorry; this makes no sense at all, and never has, not even when *****
Bill said that abortion should be "safe, legal and rare." If it's a
*right*, then it is NONE of anyone's business how frequently I exercise
it. So by saying it should be "rare", or the right to it exercised with
"restraint", you are IMPLICITLY acknowledging a deep moral problem with
it.
I don't claim to be a theologian or even a very good philosopher, but *IF*
life does begin at conception - and who the ***** are you, you hedonistic
pig, to say it doesn't? - *THEN* it follows *inexorably* that abortion is
morally murder.
Life begins at conception. A human being begins at birth.
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| User: "The Last Conformist" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions |
28 Nov 2005 12:42:32 PM |
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grinder wrote:
"S. Maizlich" <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote in message
news:o6Gif.6676$wf.6147@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <-7mdnUE_6tG6khbeRVn-hg@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
This should not come as a suprise. Americans are by-and-large decent folk
who recognize murder, no matter what sugar-coated label the LLL places on
it.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat1844.html
Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions, Want Limit but No Ban
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A new poll conducted by Gallup finds
that
most Americans still oppose most abortions and back limits like parental
notification but they don't support a Constitutional amendment banning
most abortions.
On the matter of abortion in general, 54 percent of Americans oppose
either all or most abortions as thirty-nine percent of those polled
believe abortion should only be legal in a few rare circumstances, such
as
rape, incest or to prevent the death of the mother. Another 16 percent
say
abortion should never be legal.
Just 42 percent generally support legalized abortion with 26 percent
saying it should always be legal and 16 percent saying it should be legal
in most circumstances.
And yet from the same article:
"But on the question of a Constitutional amendment banning all abortions
except for those to save the life of the mother, Americans oppose it by a
61-37 percent margin."
You know, twitboy, it's quite possible to believe that a right should be
exercised with restraint but should remain a *right.
Sorry; this makes no sense at all, and never has, not even when *****
Bill said that abortion should be "safe, legal and rare." If it's a
*right*, then it is NONE of anyone's business how frequently I exercise
it. So by saying it should be "rare", or the right to it exercised with
"restraint", you are IMPLICITLY acknowledging a deep moral problem with
it.
I don't claim to be a theologian or even a very good philosopher, but *IF*
life does begin at conception - and who the ***** are you, you hedonistic
pig, to say it doesn't? - *THEN* it follows *inexorably* that abortion is
morally murder.
Life begins at conception. A human being begins at birth.
Life began some billions of years ago. There's no magic point during
conception at which something unliving changes into something living.
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28 Nov 2005 12:58:35 PM |
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grinder wrote:
"S. Maizlich" <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote in message
news:o6Gif.6676$wf.6147@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <-7mdnUE_6tG6khbeRVn-hg@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
This should not come as a suprise. Americans are by-and-large decent folk
who recognize murder, no matter what sugar-coated label the LLL places on
it.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat1844.html
Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions, Want Limit but No Ban
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A new poll conducted by Gallup finds
that
most Americans still oppose most abortions and back limits like parental
notification but they don't support a Constitutional amendment banning
most abortions.
On the matter of abortion in general, 54 percent of Americans oppose
either all or most abortions as thirty-nine percent of those polled
believe abortion should only be legal in a few rare circumstances, such
as
rape, incest or to prevent the death of the mother. Another 16 percent
say
abortion should never be legal.
Just 42 percent generally support legalized abortion with 26 percent
saying it should always be legal and 16 percent saying it should be legal
in most circumstances.
And yet from the same article:
"But on the question of a Constitutional amendment banning all abortions
except for those to save the life of the mother, Americans oppose it by a
61-37 percent margin."
You know, twitboy, it's quite possible to believe that a right should be
exercised with restraint but should remain a *right.
Sorry; this makes no sense at all, and never has, not even when *****
Bill said that abortion should be "safe, legal and rare." If it's a
*right*, then it is NONE of anyone's business how frequently I exercise
it. So by saying it should be "rare", or the right to it exercised with
"restraint", you are IMPLICITLY acknowledging a deep moral problem with
it.
I don't claim to be a theologian or even a very good philosopher, but *IF*
life does begin at conception - and who the ***** are you, you hedonistic
pig, to say it doesn't? - *THEN* it follows *inexorably* that abortion is
morally murder.
Life begins at conception. A human being begins at birth.
Exactly!
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| User: "Kate OFlaherty" |
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28 Nov 2005 01:07:42 PM |
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No, not exactly--life began long before conception. After all, dead ova
and sperm don't magically join to create life.
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| User: "grinder" |
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28 Nov 2005 01:25:48 PM |
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"Kate O'Flaherty" <2.8.1855@safe-mail.net> wrote in message
news:1133204862.839150.193380@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
No, not exactly--life began long before conception. After all, dead ova
and sperm don't magically join to create life.
Don't give them an excuse to fill prisons with masturbators.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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28 Nov 2005 04:24:57 PM |
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In <0RIif.1719$YT3.1361@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "grinder"
<seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
"Kate O'Flaherty" <2.8.1855@safe-mail.net> wrote in message
news:1133204862.839150.193380@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
No, not exactly--life began long before conception. After all, dead ova
and sperm don't magically join to create life.
Don't give them an excuse to fill prisons with masturbators.
Oh that's not going to happen. This "sanctity of life" nonsense is
actually about punishing "bad girls" for having s-e-x.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Kate OFlaherty" |
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28 Nov 2005 06:08:27 PM |
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grinder wrote:
"Kate O'Flaherty" <2.8.1855@safe-mail.net> wrote in message
news:1133204862.839150.193380@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
No, not exactly--life began long before conception. After all, dead ova
and sperm don't magically join to create life.
Don't give them an excuse to fill prisons with masturbators.
They aren't worried about men's sexuality, sweatpea.
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| User: "S. Maizlich" |
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28 Nov 2005 11:27:05 AM |
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grinder wrote:
"S. Maizlich" <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote in message
news:o6Gif.6676$wf.6147@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <-7mdnUE_6tG6khbeRVn-hg@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
This should not come as a suprise. Americans are by-and-large decent folk
who recognize murder, no matter what sugar-coated label the LLL places on
it.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat1844.html
Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions, Want Limit but No Ban
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A new poll conducted by Gallup finds
that
most Americans still oppose most abortions and back limits like parental
notification but they don't support a Constitutional amendment banning
most abortions.
On the matter of abortion in general, 54 percent of Americans oppose
either all or most abortions as thirty-nine percent of those polled
believe abortion should only be legal in a few rare circumstances, such
as
rape, incest or to prevent the death of the mother. Another 16 percent
say
abortion should never be legal.
Just 42 percent generally support legalized abortion with 26 percent
saying it should always be legal and 16 percent saying it should be legal
in most circumstances.
And yet from the same article:
"But on the question of a Constitutional amendment banning all abortions
except for those to save the life of the mother, Americans oppose it by a
61-37 percent margin."
You know, twitboy, it's quite possible to believe that a right should be
exercised with restraint but should remain a *right.
Sorry; this makes no sense at all, and never has, not even when *****
Bill said that abortion should be "safe, legal and rare." If it's a
*right*, then it is NONE of anyone's business how frequently I exercise
it. So by saying it should be "rare", or the right to it exercised with
"restraint", you are IMPLICITLY acknowledging a deep moral problem with
it.
I don't claim to be a theologian or even a very good philosopher, but *IF*
life does begin at conception - and who the ***** are you, you hedonistic
pig, to say it doesn't? - *THEN* it follows *inexorably* that abortion is
morally murder.
Life begins at conception. A human being begins at birth.
Shitty sophistry.
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| User: "grinder" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions |
28 Nov 2005 01:25:07 PM |
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"S. Maizlich" <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote in message
news:J5Hif.9989$aA2.7178@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
grinder wrote:
"S. Maizlich" <s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote in message
news:o6Gif.6676$wf.6147@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <-7mdnUE_6tG6khbeRVn-hg@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
This should not come as a suprise. Americans are by-and-large decent
folk
who recognize murder, no matter what sugar-coated label the LLL places
on
it.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat1844.html
Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions, Want Limit but No Ban
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A new poll conducted by Gallup finds
that
most Americans still oppose most abortions and back limits like
parental
notification but they don't support a Constitutional amendment banning
most abortions.
On the matter of abortion in general, 54 percent of Americans oppose
either all or most abortions as thirty-nine percent of those polled
believe abortion should only be legal in a few rare circumstances, such
as
rape, incest or to prevent the death of the mother. Another 16 percent
say
abortion should never be legal.
Just 42 percent generally support legalized abortion with 26 percent
saying it should always be legal and 16 percent saying it should be
legal
in most circumstances.
And yet from the same article:
"But on the question of a Constitutional amendment banning all abortions
except for those to save the life of the mother, Americans oppose it by
a
61-37 percent margin."
You know, twitboy, it's quite possible to believe that a right should be
exercised with restraint but should remain a *right.
Sorry; this makes no sense at all, and never has, not even when *****
Bill said that abortion should be "safe, legal and rare." If it's a
*right*, then it is NONE of anyone's business how frequently I exercise
it. So by saying it should be "rare", or the right to it exercised with
"restraint", you are IMPLICITLY acknowledging a deep moral problem with
it.
I don't claim to be a theologian or even a very good philosopher, but
*IF* life does begin at conception - and who the ***** are you, you
hedonistic pig, to say it doesn't? - *THEN* it follows *inexorably* that
abortion is morally murder.
Life begins at conception. A human being begins at birth.
Shitty sophistry.
Get back to me after you attend a funeral of an embryo.
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28 Nov 2005 04:15:23 PM |
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In <o6Gif.6676$wf.6147@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <-7mdnUE_6tG6khbeRVn-hg@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
This should not come as a suprise. Americans are by-and-large decent
folk who recognize murder, no matter what sugar-coated label the LLL
places on it.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat1844.html
Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions, Want Limit but No Ban
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A new poll conducted by Gallup finds
that most Americans still oppose most abortions and back limits like
parental notification but they don't support a Constitutional amendment
banning most abortions.
On the matter of abortion in general, 54 percent of Americans oppose
either all or most abortions as thirty-nine percent of those polled
believe abortion should only be legal in a few rare circumstances, such
as rape, incest or to prevent the death of the mother. Another 16
percent say abortion should never be legal.
Just 42 percent generally support legalized abortion with 26 percent
saying it should always be legal and 16 percent saying it should be
legal in most circumstances.
And yet from the same article:
"But on the question of a Constitutional amendment banning all abortions
except for those to save the life of the mother, Americans oppose it by
a 61-37 percent margin."
You know, twitboy, it's quite possible to believe that a right should be
exercised with restraint but should remain a *right.
Sorry; this makes no sense at all, and never has, not even when *****
Bill said that abortion should be "safe, legal and rare." If it's a
*right*, then it is NONE of anyone's business how frequently I exercise
it.
So by saying it should be "rare", or the right to it
exercised with "restraint", you are IMPLICITLY acknowledging a deep moral
problem with it.
I don't claim to be a theologian or even a very good philosopher, but *IF*
life does begin at conception - and who the ***** are you, you hedonistic
pig, to say it doesn't? - *THEN* it follows *inexorably* that abortion is
morally murder. Don't try the stale sophomoric ***** that because it's
legal it isn't "murder"; slavery is universally viewed by everyone in the
pro-abortion camp as *ABSOLUTELY* morally wrong, despite the fact that it
was legal in much of the civilized world for far longer than it has been
illegal, and it was this view of its indelible moral taint that fueled the
abolitionist movement. Anti-abortion activists know full well that
abortion is momentarily legal, but that it no way alters its moral status.
Yeah. Uh huh. Sure thing.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"...it may be that they may have written us off."
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| User: "IAAH" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions |
28 Nov 2005 11:25:59 AM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:19:32 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <-7mdnUE_6tG6khbeRVn-hg@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
This should not come as a suprise. Americans are by-and-large decent folk
who recognize murder, no matter what sugar-coated label the LLL places on
it.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat1844.html
Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions, Want Limit but No Ban
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A new poll conducted by Gallup finds that
most Americans still oppose most abortions and back limits like parental
notification but they don't support a Constitutional amendment banning
most abortions.
On the matter of abortion in general, 54 percent of Americans oppose
either all or most abortions as thirty-nine percent of those polled
believe abortion should only be legal in a few rare circumstances, such as
rape, incest or to prevent the death of the mother. Another 16 percent say
abortion should never be legal.
Just 42 percent generally support legalized abortion with 26 percent
saying it should always be legal and 16 percent saying it should be legal
in most circumstances.
And yet from the same article:
"But on the question of a Constitutional amendment banning all abortions
except for those to save the life of the mother, Americans oppose it by a
61-37 percent margin."
You know, twitboy, it's quite possible to believe that a right should be
exercised with restraint but should remain a *right.
Sorry; this makes no sense at all, and never has, not
even when ***** Bill said that abortion should be
"safe, legal and rare." If it's a *right*, then it is
NONE of anyone's business how frequently I exercise it.
So by saying it should be "rare", or the right to it
exercised with "restraint", you are IMPLICITLY
acknowledging a deep moral problem with it.
***** - unless you also think there's a deep moral problem with
free speech.
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| User: "S. Maizlich" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions |
28 Nov 2005 11:31:15 AM |
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IAAH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:19:32 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <-7mdnUE_6tG6khbeRVn-hg@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
This should not come as a suprise. Americans are by-and-large decent folk
who recognize murder, no matter what sugar-coated label the LLL places on
it.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat1844.html
Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions, Want Limit but No Ban
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A new poll conducted by Gallup finds that
most Americans still oppose most abortions and back limits like parental
notification but they don't support a Constitutional amendment banning
most abortions.
On the matter of abortion in general, 54 percent of Americans oppose
either all or most abortions as thirty-nine percent of those polled
believe abortion should only be legal in a few rare circumstances, such as
rape, incest or to prevent the death of the mother. Another 16 percent say
abortion should never be legal.
Just 42 percent generally support legalized abortion with 26 percent
saying it should always be legal and 16 percent saying it should be legal
in most circumstances.
And yet from the same article:
"But on the question of a Constitutional amendment banning all abortions
except for those to save the life of the mother, Americans oppose it by a
61-37 percent margin."
You know, twitboy, it's quite possible to believe that a right should be
exercised with restraint but should remain a *right.
Sorry; this makes no sense at all, and never has, not
even when ***** Bill said that abortion should be
"safe, legal and rare." If it's a *right*, then it is
NONE of anyone's business how frequently I exercise it.
So by saying it should be "rare", or the right to it
exercised with "restraint", you are IMPLICITLY
acknowledging a deep moral problem with it.
*****
How so? People can say whatever they want, but their
exercise of free speech rights doesn't mean they're
going to make any sense.
Name any other right that is qualified in the way
***** Bill wanted to qualify abortion.
- unless you also think there's a deep moral problem with
free speech.
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| User: "IAAH" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions |
28 Nov 2005 11:39:58 AM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:31:15 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
IAAH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:19:32 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <-7mdnUE_6tG6khbeRVn-hg@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
This should not come as a suprise. Americans are by-and-large decent folk
who recognize murder, no matter what sugar-coated label the LLL places on
it.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat1844.html
Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions, Want Limit but No Ban
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A new poll conducted by Gallup finds that
most Americans still oppose most abortions and back limits like parental
notification but they don't support a Constitutional amendment banning
most abortions.
On the matter of abortion in general, 54 percent of Americans oppose
either all or most abortions as thirty-nine percent of those polled
believe abortion should only be legal in a few rare circumstances, such as
rape, incest or to prevent the death of the mother. Another 16 percent say
abortion should never be legal.
Just 42 percent generally support legalized abortion with 26 percent
saying it should always be legal and 16 percent saying it should be legal
in most circumstances.
And yet from the same article:
"But on the question of a Constitutional amendment banning all abortions
except for those to save the life of the mother, Americans oppose it by a
61-37 percent margin."
You know, twitboy, it's quite possible to believe that a right should be
exercised with restraint but should remain a *right.
Sorry; this makes no sense at all, and never has, not
even when ***** Bill said that abortion should be
"safe, legal and rare." If it's a *right*, then it is
NONE of anyone's business how frequently I exercise it.
So by saying it should be "rare", or the right to it
exercised with "restraint", you are IMPLICITLY
acknowledging a deep moral problem with it.
*****
How so? People can say whatever they want, but their
exercise of free speech rights doesn't mean they're
going to make any sense.
Name any other right that is qualified in the way
***** Bill wanted to qualify abortion.
- unless you also think there's a deep moral problem with
free speech.
Ah, here's goalposts moving. That didn't take long.
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| User: "S. Maizlich" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions |
28 Nov 2005 11:45:42 AM |
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IAAH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:31:15 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
IAAH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:19:32 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <-7mdnUE_6tG6khbeRVn-hg@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
This should not come as a suprise. Americans are by-and-large decent folk
who recognize murder, no matter what sugar-coated label the LLL places on
it.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat1844.html
Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions, Want Limit but No Ban
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A new poll conducted by Gallup finds that
most Americans still oppose most abortions and back limits like parental
notification but they don't support a Constitutional amendment banning
most abortions.
On the matter of abortion in general, 54 percent of Americans oppose
either all or most abortions as thirty-nine percent of those polled
believe abortion should only be legal in a few rare circumstances, such as
rape, incest or to prevent the death of the mother. Another 16 percent say
abortion should never be legal.
Just 42 percent generally support legalized abortion with 26 percent
saying it should always be legal and 16 percent saying it should be legal
in most circumstances.
And yet from the same article:
"But on the question of a Constitutional amendment banning all abortions
except for those to save the life of the mother, Americans oppose it by a
61-37 percent margin."
You know, twitboy, it's quite possible to believe that a right should be
exercised with restraint but should remain a *right.
Sorry; this makes no sense at all, and never has, not
even when ***** Bill said that abortion should be
"safe, legal and rare." If it's a *right*, then it is
NONE of anyone's business how frequently I exercise it.
So by saying it should be "rare", or the right to it
exercised with "restraint", you are IMPLICITLY
acknowledging a deep moral problem with it.
*****
How so? People can say whatever they want, but their
exercise of free speech rights doesn't mean they're
going to make any sense.
Name any other right that is qualified in the way
***** Bill wanted to qualify abortion.
- unless you also think there's a deep moral problem with
free speech.
Ah, here's goalposts moving. That didn't take long.
No goalpost moving at all, shit4braincell. You didn't
GET the original point, that's all, because you can't
read. I never suggested ***** Bill or Mark ***** or
anyone else couldn't say whatever they wanted. What I
said was their ***** made no sense; that to say a
*right* ought to be exercised "rarely" or with
"restraint" is complete nonsense. And it is nonsense.
Learn to read, you fat *****.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions |
28 Nov 2005 04:23:21 PM |
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In <anHif.6398$N45.5771@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
IAAH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:31:15 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
IAAH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:19:32 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <-7mdnUE_6tG6khbeRVn-hg@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
This should not come as a suprise. Americans are by-and-large decent
folk who recognize murder, no matter what sugar-coated label the LLL
places on it.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat1844.html
Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions, Want Limit but No Ban
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A new poll conducted by Gallup
finds that most Americans still oppose most abortions and back
limits like parental notification but they don't support a
Constitutional amendment banning most abortions.
On the matter of abortion in general, 54 percent of Americans oppose
either all or most abortions as thirty-nine percent of those polled
believe abortion should only be legal in a few rare circumstances,
such as rape, incest or to prevent the death of the mother. Another
16 percent say abortion should never be legal.
Just 42 percent generally support legalized abortion with 26 percent
saying it should always be legal and 16 percent saying it should be
legal in most circumstances.
And yet from the same article:
"But on the question of a Constitutional amendment banning all
abortions except for those to save the life of the mother, Americans
oppose it by a 61-37 percent margin."
You know, twitboy, it's quite possible to believe that a right should
be exercised with restraint but should remain a *right.
Sorry; this makes no sense at all, and never has, not even when
***** Bill said that abortion should be "safe, legal and rare." If
it's a *right*, then it is NONE of anyone's business how frequently I
exercise it. So by saying it should be "rare", or the right to it
exercised with "restraint", you are IMPLICITLY acknowledging a deep
moral problem with it.
*****
How so? People can say whatever they want, but their exercise of free
speech rights doesn't mean they're going to make any sense.
Name any other right that is qualified in the way ***** Bill wanted to
qualify abortion.
- unless you also think there's a deep moral problem with free speech.
Ah, here's goalposts moving. That didn't take long.
No goalpost moving at all, shit4braincell. You didn't GET the original
point, that's all, because you can't read. I never suggested ***** Bill
or Mark ***** or anyone else couldn't say whatever they wanted. What I
said was their ***** made no sense; that to say a *right* ought to be
exercised "rarely" or with "restraint" is complete nonsense. And it is
nonsense.
Learn to read, you fat *****.
How about *you learn to read? I was speculating on poll data and
commenting on an unwarranted conclusion drawn by "J. Young." I wasn't
talking about my own position in any way.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "IAAH" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions |
28 Nov 2005 11:55:30 AM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:45:42 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
IAAH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:31:15 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
IAAH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:19:32 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <-7mdnUE_6tG6khbeRVn-hg@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
This should not come as a suprise. Americans are by-and-large decent folk
who recognize murder, no matter what sugar-coated label the LLL places on
it.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat1844.html
Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions, Want Limit but No Ban
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A new poll conducted by Gallup finds that
most Americans still oppose most abortions and back limits like parental
notification but they don't support a Constitutional amendment banning
most abortions.
On the matter of abortion in general, 54 percent of Americans oppose
either all or most abortions as thirty-nine percent of those polled
believe abortion should only be legal in a few rare circumstances, such as
rape, incest or to prevent the death of the mother. Another 16 percent say
abortion should never be legal.
Just 42 percent generally support legalized abortion with 26 percent
saying it should always be legal and 16 percent saying it should be legal
in most circumstances.
And yet from the same article:
"But on the question of a Constitutional amendment banning all abortions
except for those to save the life of the mother, Americans oppose it by a
61-37 percent margin."
You know, twitboy, it's quite possible to believe that a right should be
exercised with restraint but should remain a *right.
Sorry; this makes no sense at all, and never has, not
even when ***** Bill said that abortion should be
"safe, legal and rare." If it's a *right*, then it is
NONE of anyone's business how frequently I exercise it.
So by saying it should be "rare", or the right to it
exercised with "restraint", you are IMPLICITLY
acknowledging a deep moral problem with it.
*****
How so? People can say whatever they want, but their
exercise of free speech rights doesn't mean they're
going to make any sense.
Name any other right that is qualified in the way
***** Bill wanted to qualify abortion.
- unless you also think there's a deep moral problem with
free speech.
Ah, here's goalposts moving. That didn't take long.
No goalpost moving at all, shit4braincell. You didn't
GET the original point, that's all, because you can't
read. I never suggested ***** Bill or Mark ***** or
anyone else couldn't say whatever they wanted. What I
said was their ***** made no sense; that to say a
*right* ought to be exercised "rarely" or with
"restraint" is complete nonsense. And it is nonsense.
Learn to read, you fat *****.
No, that's not what you said originally.
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| User: "S. Maizlich" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions |
28 Nov 2005 12:10:28 PM |
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IAAH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:45:42 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
IAAH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:31:15 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
IAAH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:19:32 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
<s.e.maizlisch@utaa.eduu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <-7mdnUE_6tG6khbeRVn-hg@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
This should not come as a suprise. Americans are by-and-large decent folk
who recognize murder, no matter what sugar-coated label the LLL places on
it.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat1844.html
Gallup Poll: Americans Oppose Abortions, Want Limit but No Ban
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A new poll conducted by Gallup finds that
most Americans still oppose most abortions and back limits like parental
notification but they don't support a Constitutional amendment banning
most abortions.
On the matter of abortion in general, 54 percent of Americans oppose
either all or most abortions as thirty-nine percent of those polled
believe abortion should only be legal in a few rare circumstances, such as
rape, incest or to prevent the death of the mother. Another 16 percent say
abortion should never be legal.
Just 42 percent generally support legalized abortion with 26 percent
saying it should always be legal and 16 percent saying it should be legal
in most circumstances.
And yet from the same article:
"But on the question of a Constitutional amendment banning all abortions
except for those to save the life of the mother, Americans oppose it by a
61-37 percent margin."
You know, twitboy, it's quite possible to believe that a right should be
exercised with restraint but should remain a *right.
Sorry; this makes no sense at all, and never has, not
even when ***** Bill said that abortion should be
"safe, legal and rare." If it's a *right*, then it is
NONE of anyone's business how frequently I exercise it.
So by saying it should be "rare", or the right to it
exercised with "restraint", you are IMPLICITLY
acknowledging a deep moral problem with it.
*****
How so? People can say whatever they want, but their
exercise of free speech rights doesn't mean they're
going to make any sense.
Name any other right that is qualified in the way
***** Bill wanted to qualify abortion.
- unless you also think there's a deep moral problem with
free speech.
Ah, here's goalposts moving. That didn't take long.
No goalpost moving at all, shit4braincell. You didn't
GET the original point, that's all, because you can't
read. I never suggested ***** Bill or Mark ***** or
anyone else couldn't say whatever they wanted. What I
said was their ***** made no sense; that to say a
*right* ought to be exercised "rarely" or with
"restraint" is complete nonsense. And it is nonsense.
Learn to read, you fat *****.
No, that's not what you said originally.
That is *exactly* what I said, you ***** liar. I didn't
write anything that could even remotely be construed -
at least, not by a native English speaker with at least
a 7th grade education - as suggesting any infringement
on anyone's speech rights. You're just a stupid, and
now stubborn, dope.
Sorry; this makes no sense at all, and never has,
not even when ***** Bill said that abortion should
be "safe, legal and rare." If it's a *right*, then
it is NONE of anyone's business how frequently I
exercise it. So by saying it should be "rare", or
the right to it exercised with "restraint", you are
IMPLICITLY acknowledging a deep moral problem with it.
That is *ALL* I wrote concerning what someone else
said, you stupid *****. There is nothing in there at
all that suggests a restriction on anyone's free speech
rights. What there *is* is a criticism of the absurd
illogic of ***** Bill's, and Mark *****'s, statements.
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