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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "J Young"
Date: 23 Oct 2006 10:31:39 AM
Object: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive
http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=5014&department=CFI&categoryid=family
By Robert Knight
On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penned a
column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marriage'") in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosexuality is
morally wrong. But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "gay
marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my letter that
the Times printed in response on December 13:
Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religious
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans are becoming
increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality, especially
on children.
By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suffer from
"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments are rarely
heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that children do
best in intact, married homes, and that homosexuality carries enormous
physical and mental health risks, even in places where governments promote
homosexual unions.
A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where "gay marriage"
has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases are
soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that "partnered" homosexuals
have "outside" lovers, although fewer than the "unpartnered," and that men
in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at alarming
rates. This is progress?
As for the moral argument, it's easy to make to those who have not shut
their ears to self-evident truth. But even if marriage were not created by
God Himself as the fountainhead of human life, a powerful case can be made
on purely sociological grounds. Sanctioning "gay marriage" would, among
other things:
Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.
Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will put more kids
at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually transmitted
diseases.
Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. For example:
"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in
the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letellier in Men
Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).
A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that "slightly
more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had been abused
by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intimate Violence
in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice
Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dailey, The
Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family Research
Council, 2001.
Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent practice
of favoring married households and begin placing more children in motherless
or fatherless households.
Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather than seek to
re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.
Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of millions of
people who believe homosexuality is wrong.
Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, religion and
association.
California is Exhibit A, where "domestic partnerships" are part of an
overall homosexual agenda. Golden State employers must subsidize homosexual
relationships or give up state contracts. Employers must promote
transsexuality as a civil right or risk a $150,000 fine. All foster care
parents must take "diversity" training that orders them to affirm a child's
sexual behavior, including "cross-dressing."
If you're a Californian who believes in traditional morality, your
government regards you as an enemy of the state. If "gay marriage" becomes
legal nationally, all Americans will be subject to the tender mercies of
pro-homosexual bureaucrats.
Mr. Lindberg himself alludes to the fact that many people think
homosexuality is wrong but are embarrassed to say so. It's not because of
the "weakness of the argument" but rather the unceasing media campaign to
portray anyone who disagrees with homosexual activism as a "bigot" or a
"hater." During the Vietnam War, liberals invoked the ghost of Joe McCarthy
to silence anti-communist opinion. Today, sexual libertines are using stigma
to strangle honest discussion about homosexuality.
When the traditionalist Rev. Earle Fox was accorded three minutes for
dissent at the consecration ceremony for New Hampshire's homosexual
Episcopal bishop V. Gene Robinson, the Rev. Fox began listing the practices
in which homosexuals typically engage. "I wanted them to know what they were
blessing in God's name," he said. The chairman cut off the Rev. Fox in
mid-presentation. Even three minutes of truth is too much for those who
pretend that homosexuality is normal and harmless.
Until the realities of homosexual behavior are examined publicly, Mr.
Lindberg may be right that only moral arguments will carry any weight. But
it's not because the social arguments are weak; it is because the public is
being kept in the dark about the real costs of homosexuality.
--
--
----------
J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com
.

User: "Strife767"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 24 Oct 2006 11:51:35 PM
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:59:18 -0400, Mark <markwatson@gmail.com> wrote:


"Jeff" <jeffthegeek@gmail.com> wrote
And there could be many out there thinking I wish I married Judy
instead of Mary, does that imply that heterosexual marriage is harmed
by heterosexual marriage? Of course not. So to imply that same sex
marriage harms heterosexual marriage because someone might consider
leaving their current spouse for someone of the same sex is faulty
logic.


-------------


Many devout members of the religious right have already confessed that
the only
thing keeping them from leaving their wife and turning into a
*****-giving,
take-it-up-the-***** ***** is the current restrictions on same sex
marriage.

Wow, then you guys must have a pretty loose definition of "devout," lol.

That's why they know that allowing SSM will spell the end of the
sanctity of
marriage as we know it.

If marriage was sacred, the average one would last longer than 8 years,
and nearly 50% of them wouldn't end in divorce. Don't peddle that
*****. Heteros have already made a joke of marriage. You should welcome
the gays into the institution--there is a good chance they'll make
marriage look better than the laughingstock you idiot 'phobes have turned
it into.
--
____________ _____________ __________________
__ ___/_ /__________(_)__ __/____/__ /_ ___/__ /
_____ \_ __/_ ___/_ /__ /_ _ _ \_ /_ __ \__ /
____/ // /_ _ / _ / _ __/ / __/ / / /_/ /_ /
/____/ \__/ /_/ /_/ /_/ \___//_/ \____/ /_/
Skeptic, atheist...and somehow an optimist. Go figure.
I want to change the world.
.
User: "Martin"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 25 Oct 2006 04:23:37 AM
Strife767 wrote:

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:59:18 -0400, Mark <markwatson@gmail.com> wrote:


"Jeff" <jeffthegeek@gmail.com> wrote
And there could be many out there thinking I wish I married Judy
instead of Mary, does that imply that heterosexual marriage is harmed
by heterosexual marriage? Of course not. So to imply that same sex
marriage harms heterosexual marriage because someone might consider
leaving their current spouse for someone of the same sex is faulty
logic.


-------------


Many devout members of the religious right have already confessed that
the only
thing keeping them from leaving their wife and turning into a
*****-giving,
take-it-up-the-***** ***** is the current restrictions on same sex
marriage.


Wow, then you guys must have a pretty loose definition of "devout," lol.

That's why they know that allowing SSM will spell the end of the
sanctity of
marriage as we know it.


If marriage was sacred, the average one would last longer than 8 years,
and nearly 50% of them wouldn't end in divorce. Don't peddle that
*****. Heteros have already made a joke of marriage. You should
welcome the gays into the institution--there is a good chance they'll
make marriage look better than the laughingstock you idiot 'phobes have
turned it into.

I think maybe (I hope I'm reading this correctly) you need to acquire a
new irony meter and a sense of humor meter ;)
.


User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 23 Oct 2006 09:21:26 PM
On 23 Oct 2006 11:48:49 -0700, "JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:

Right Jboy, the streets of Boston ran red from the blood of the
heterosexual victims of same-gender marriage. The crying of the
orphans could barely be heard above the screams of dying.

Now, now, hetero-bashing isn't all that terrible, is it?
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Does it ever amaze anyone else how little faith some heterosexuals have
in heterosexuality? It's supposed to be this god-given human instinct
that only the warped and perverted ever stray from; but, it seems, if we
once tell our straight children a message even as mild as "some people
are gay, and that's all right," that'll be enough to send lil' Suzy into
the arms of women forever. It's a wonder the race has survived this
long, really..."
-
Charles M Seaton (21 Dec 1994)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
.

User: "Neil Kelsey"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 23 Oct 2006 11:24:35 AM
J Young wrote:

http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=5014&department=CFI&categoryid=family





By Robert Knight









On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penned a
column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marriage'") in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosexuality is
morally wrong. But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "gay
marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my letter that
the Times printed in response on December 13:

Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religious
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans are becoming
increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality, especially
on children.

By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suffer from
"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments are rarely
heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that children do
best in intact, married homes, and that homosexuality carries enormous
physical and mental health risks, even in places where governments promote
homosexual unions.



A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where "gay marriage"
has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases are
soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that "partnered" homosexuals
have "outside" lovers, although fewer than the "unpartnered," and that men
in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at alarming
rates. This is progress?


As for the moral argument, it's easy to make to those who have not shut
their ears to self-evident truth. But even if marriage were not created by
God Himself as the fountainhead of human life, a powerful case can be made
on purely sociological grounds. Sanctioning "gay marriage" would, among
other things:



Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.


Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will put more kids
at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually transmitted
diseases.


Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. For example:
"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in
the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letellier in Men
Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).

A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that "slightly
more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had been abused
by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intimate Violence
in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice
Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dailey, The
Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family Research
Council, 2001.



Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent practice
of favoring married households and begin placing more children in motherless
or fatherless households.


Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather than seek to
re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.


Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of millions of
people who believe homosexuality is wrong.


Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, religion and
association.

California is Exhibit A, where "domestic partnerships" are part of an
overall homosexual agenda. Golden State employers must subsidize homosexual
relationships or give up state contracts. Employers must promote
transsexuality as a civil right or risk a $150,000 fine. All foster care
parents must take "diversity" training that orders them to affirm a child's
sexual behavior, including "cross-dressing."


If you're a Californian who believes in traditional morality, your
government regards you as an enemy of the state. If "gay marriage" becomes
legal nationally, all Americans will be subject to the tender mercies of
pro-homosexual bureaucrats.


Mr. Lindberg himself alludes to the fact that many people think
homosexuality is wrong but are embarrassed to say so. It's not because of
the "weakness of the argument" but rather the unceasing media campaign to
portray anyone who disagrees with homosexual activism as a "bigot" or a
"hater." During the Vietnam War, liberals invoked the ghost of Joe McCarthy
to silence anti-communist opinion. Today, sexual libertines are using stigma
to strangle honest discussion about homosexuality.


When the traditionalist Rev. Earle Fox was accorded three minutes for
dissent at the consecration ceremony for New Hampshire's homosexual
Episcopal bishop V. Gene Robinson, the Rev. Fox began listing the practices
in which homosexuals typically engage. "I wanted them to know what they were
blessing in God's name," he said. The chairman cut off the Rev. Fox in
mid-presentation. Even three minutes of truth is too much for those who
pretend that homosexuality is normal and harmless.


Until the realities of homosexual behavior are examined publicly, Mr.
Lindberg may be right that only moral arguments will carry any weight. But
it's not because the social arguments are weak; it is because the public is
being kept in the dark about the real costs of homosexuality.

You might have it wrong. Maybe god exists and he's gay. I mean, what
about ostriches and all those colours in sunsets? If that's the case,
then maybe all those regular marriages are the ones in doubt.
.
User: "Albert"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 23 Oct 2006 07:04:54 PM
"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote


J Young wrote:

(***** all as usual)

You might have it wrong. Maybe god exists and he's gay. I mean, what
about ostriches and all those colours in sunsets? If that's the case,
then maybe all those regular marriages are the ones in doubt.

10 ways to tell if you're a frothing at the mouth Bible thumping Loon.
http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/phx/167335230.html
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands
of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged
when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when
scientists say that people evolved from other life
forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical
claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no
problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the
"atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't
even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah
slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and
ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in
"Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans,
and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women,
but you have no problem believing that the Holy
Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to
a man-god who got killed, came back to life and
then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for
little loopholes in the scientifically established
age of Earth (few billion years), but you find
nothing wrong with believing dates recorded
by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents
and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this
planet with the exception of those who share your
beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects -
will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering.
And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant"
and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology,
and physics have failed to convince you otherwise,
some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in
"tongues" may be all the evidence you need to
"prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when
it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to
be evidence that prayer works. And you think that
the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the
will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists
and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and
church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
.


User: "IAAH"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 23 Oct 2006 11:13:36 AM
On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:31:39 -0400, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote in message <psudnX1iH-17faHYnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@giganews.com>:


http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=5014&department=CFI&categoryid=family





By Robert Knight









On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penned a
column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marriage'") in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosexuality is
morally wrong.

If that's the most powerful argument against it then we see you now
admitting that there are no arguments against gay marriage based on
reason.
.

User: "David Johnston"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 23 Oct 2006 12:52:34 PM
On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:31:39 -0400, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:


http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=5014&department=CFI&categoryid=family





By Robert Knight









On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penned a
column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marriage'") in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosexuality is
morally wrong.

....state-sanctioned interracial "marriage" is the belief that
miscegenation is morally wrong.
But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "gay

marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my letter that
the Times printed in response on December 13:

Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religious
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans are becoming
increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality, especially
on children.

By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suffer from
"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments are rarely
heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that children do
best in intact, married homes,

Oh yes. That's a good reason to ban marriage between certain people.
Because children do better in intact, married homes.
and that homosexuality carries enormous

physical and mental health risks,

Given that those risks are mostly the product of promiscuity, this
isn't exactly the most compelling argument against marriage.
.
User: "Qazfez"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 23 Oct 2006 11:53:55 PM
In article <930qj2d4mtrteluj9jme1mhcsph83456dp@4ax.com>,
David Johnston <rgorman@block.net> wrote:

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:31:39 -0400, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:


http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=5014&department=CFI&categoryid=fami
ly





By Robert Knight









On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penned a
column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marriage'") in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosexuality is
morally wrong.


...state-sanctioned interracial "marriage" is the belief that
miscegenation is morally wrong.

But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "gay

marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my letter that
the Times printed in response on December 13:

Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religious
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans are becoming
increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality, especially
on children.

By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suffer from
"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments are rarely
heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that children do
best in intact, married homes,


Oh yes. That's a good reason to ban marriage between certain people.
Because children do better in intact, married homes.


and that homosexuality carries enormous

physical and mental health risks,


Given that those risks are mostly the product of promiscuity, this
isn't exactly the most compelling argument against marriage.

Sure it is. Homosexual men tend to be promiscuous, and homosexual
marriage would do nothing to discourage that. It would probably just
undermine marriage.
.
User: "Strife767"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 24 Oct 2006 12:12:01 AM
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:53:55 -0400, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <930qj2d4mtrteluj9jme1mhcsph83456dp@4ax.com>,
David Johnston <rgorman@block.net> wrote:

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:31:39 -0400, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>=
wrote:


http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=3D5014&department=3DCFI&ca=

tegoryid=3Dfami

ly





By Robert Knight









On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penne=

d a

column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex =

'marriage'") in

which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that =

homosexuality is

morally wrong.


...state-sanctioned interracial "marriage" is the belief that
miscegenation is morally wrong.

But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "gay

marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my lett=

er =

that

the Times printed in response on December 13:

Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religious
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans are =

=

becoming

increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality, =

especially

on children.

By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suffer =

=

from

"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments are =

=

rarely

heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that =

children do

best in intact, married homes,


Oh yes. That's a good reason to ban marriage between certain people.=
Because children do better in intact, married homes.


and that homosexuality carries enormous

physical and mental health risks,


Given that those risks are mostly the product of promiscuity, this
isn't exactly the most compelling argument against marriage.


Sure it is. Homosexual men tend to be promiscuous,

Any evidence that homosexual men are any more promiscuous than =
heterosexual men?

and homosexual
marriage would do nothing to discourage that.

Then you must agree that marriage does nothing to discourage promiscuous=
=
heterosexual men.
And what about the gay women? Do you claim they're promiscuous too? lol

It would probably just
undermine marriage.

ROFL, heterosexuals have already undermined marriage nearly beyond the =
point of recognition! Nearly half of marriages end in divorce, the avera=
ge =
length of a marriage is less than a single decade (about 8 years), and =
there is even enough of a market for there to have been created a TV sho=
w =
called "Divorce Court."
Believe me, with all the fucking around heteros do, and the extent to =
which they represent marriage as a complete joke, treating it less like =
=
"'til death do you part" and more like "'til we get bored of each other,=
" =
there is NO way homosexuals have a PRAYER of making a laughingstock out =
of =
marriage to any degree RESEMBLING that to which heterosexuals have.
-- =
____________ _____________ __________________
__ ___/_ /__________(_)__ __/____/__ /_ ___/__ /
_____ \_ __/_ ___/_ /__ /_ _ _ \_ /_ __ \__ /
____/ // /_ _ / _ / _ __/ / __/ / / /_/ /_ /
/____/ \__/ /_/ /_/ /_/ \___//_/ \____/ /_/
Skeptic, atheist...and somehow an optimist. Go figure.
I want to change the world.
.

User: "David Johnston"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 26 Oct 2006 11:21:57 AM
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:53:55 +1300, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <930qj2d4mtrteluj9jme1mhcsph83456dp@4ax.com>,
David Johnston <rgorman@block.net> wrote:

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:31:39 -0400, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:


http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=5014&department=CFI&categoryid=fami
ly





By Robert Knight









On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penned a
column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marriage'") in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosexuality is
morally wrong.


...state-sanctioned interracial "marriage" is the belief that
miscegenation is morally wrong.

But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "gay

marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my letter that
the Times printed in response on December 13:

Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religious
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans are becoming
increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality, especially
on children.

By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suffer from
"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments are rarely
heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that children do
best in intact, married homes,


Oh yes. That's a good reason to ban marriage between certain people.
Because children do better in intact, married homes.


and that homosexuality carries enormous

physical and mental health risks,


Given that those risks are mostly the product of promiscuity, this
isn't exactly the most compelling argument against marriage.


Sure it is. Homosexual men tend to be promiscuous, and homosexual
marriage would do nothing to discourage that. It would probably just
undermine marriage.

Given that marriage does nothing to discourage promiscuity as you say,
does it matter if marriage is undermined? What's the point of
marriage if not to discourage promiscuity?
.
User: "Qazfez"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 26 Oct 2006 04:25:56 PM
In article <j3o1k2l1j4s52lm67ogn53mrk6bvgb1ggh@4ax.com>,
David Johnston <rgorman@block.net> wrote:
[snip]

Sure it is. Homosexual men tend to be promiscuous, and homosexual
marriage would do nothing to discourage that. It would probably just
undermine marriage.


Given that marriage does nothing to discourage promiscuity as you say,
does it matter if marriage is undermined? What's the point of
marriage if not to discourage promiscuity?

Marriage would do little or nothing to discourage promiscuity among
homosexual men. It does discourage promiscuity among heterosexual men.
This is because the sexes are different from each other, something which
the neutered world-view of liberalism has difficulty comprehending.
.
User: "David Johnston"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 27 Oct 2006 01:54:50 AM
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:25:56 +1300, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <j3o1k2l1j4s52lm67ogn53mrk6bvgb1ggh@4ax.com>,
David Johnston <rgorman@block.net> wrote:

[snip]

Sure it is. Homosexual men tend to be promiscuous, and homosexual
marriage would do nothing to discourage that. It would probably just
undermine marriage.


Given that marriage does nothing to discourage promiscuity as you say,
does it matter if marriage is undermined? What's the point of
marriage if not to discourage promiscuity?


Marriage would do little or nothing to discourage promiscuity among
homosexual men. It does discourage promiscuity among heterosexual men.

This is because the sexes are different from each other,

I'm sorry, you're going have to fill in that gigantic gap. How does
the sexes being different keep men from cheating?
.
User: "Jeff"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 27 Oct 2006 07:38:07 AM
David Johnston wrote:

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:25:56 +1300, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <j3o1k2l1j4s52lm67ogn53mrk6bvgb1ggh@4ax.com>,
David Johnston <rgorman@block.net> wrote:

[snip]

Sure it is. Homosexual men tend to be promiscuous, and homosexual
marriage would do nothing to discourage that. It would probably just
undermine marriage.


Given that marriage does nothing to discourage promiscuity as you say,
does it matter if marriage is undermined? What's the point of
marriage if not to discourage promiscuity?


Marriage would do little or nothing to discourage promiscuity among
homosexual men. It does discourage promiscuity among heterosexual men.

This is because the sexes are different from each other,


I'm sorry, you're going have to fill in that gigantic gap. How does
the sexes being different keep men from cheating?

Why because it is a magical union bound by a priest of a diety enforced
by the mystical powers of... oh wait I don't believe in magic, never
mind ;)
.

User: "Qazfez"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 31 Oct 2006 02:25:56 AM
In article <o5b3k2d154g9sb5o2alug4nif551lrts28@4ax.com>,
David Johnston <rgorman@block.net> wrote:

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:25:56 +1300, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <j3o1k2l1j4s52lm67ogn53mrk6bvgb1ggh@4ax.com>,
David Johnston <rgorman@block.net> wrote:

[snip]

Sure it is. Homosexual men tend to be promiscuous, and homosexual
marriage would do nothing to discourage that. It would probably just
undermine marriage.


Given that marriage does nothing to discourage promiscuity as you say,
does it matter if marriage is undermined? What's the point of
marriage if not to discourage promiscuity?


Marriage would do little or nothing to discourage promiscuity among
homosexual men. It does discourage promiscuity among heterosexual men.

This is because the sexes are different from each other,


I'm sorry, you're going have to fill in that gigantic gap. How does
the sexes being different keep men from cheating?

The difference between the sexes means that heterosexual men have fewer
opportunities for being sexually promiscuous than homosexual men have.
.
User: "Alan Ferris"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 31 Oct 2006 08:08:03 AM
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:25:56 +1300, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <o5b3k2d154g9sb5o2alug4nif551lrts28@4ax.com>,
David Johnston <rgorman@block.net> wrote:

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:25:56 +1300, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <j3o1k2l1j4s52lm67ogn53mrk6bvgb1ggh@4ax.com>,
David Johnston <rgorman@block.net> wrote:

[snip]

Sure it is. Homosexual men tend to be promiscuous, and homosexual
marriage would do nothing to discourage that. It would probably just
undermine marriage.


Given that marriage does nothing to discourage promiscuity as you say,
does it matter if marriage is undermined? What's the point of
marriage if not to discourage promiscuity?


Marriage would do little or nothing to discourage promiscuity among
homosexual men. It does discourage promiscuity among heterosexual men.

This is because the sexes are different from each other,


I'm sorry, you're going have to fill in that gigantic gap. How does
the sexes being different keep men from cheating?


The difference between the sexes means that heterosexual men have fewer
opportunities for being sexually promiscuous than homosexual men have.

Not at all true. Women outnumber men, so obviously there are more
likely partners for a heterosexual than a homosexual.
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")
.
User: "Qazfez"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 01 Nov 2006 10:48:41 PM
In article <50mek2doiv8asdd609s0cuhth7uqrccljr@4ax.com>,
Alan Ferris <ferrit@peacenik.co.uk> wrote:

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:25:56 +1300, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <o5b3k2d154g9sb5o2alug4nif551lrts28@4ax.com>,
David Johnston <rgorman@block.net> wrote:

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:25:56 +1300, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <j3o1k2l1j4s52lm67ogn53mrk6bvgb1ggh@4ax.com>,
David Johnston <rgorman@block.net> wrote:

[snip]

Sure it is. Homosexual men tend to be promiscuous, and homosexual
marriage would do nothing to discourage that. It would probably just
undermine marriage.


Given that marriage does nothing to discourage promiscuity as you say,
does it matter if marriage is undermined? What's the point of
marriage if not to discourage promiscuity?


Marriage would do little or nothing to discourage promiscuity among
homosexual men. It does discourage promiscuity among heterosexual men.

This is because the sexes are different from each other,


I'm sorry, you're going have to fill in that gigantic gap. How does
the sexes being different keep men from cheating?


The difference between the sexes means that heterosexual men have fewer
opportunities for being sexually promiscuous than homosexual men have.


Not at all true. Women outnumber men, so obviously there are more
likely partners for a heterosexual than a homosexual.

Stupid argument. Women outnumber men by only a small degree.
.
User: "Strife767"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 01 Nov 2006 11:49:42 PM
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:48:41 -0500, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <50mek2doiv8asdd609s0cuhth7uqrccljr@4ax.com>,
Alan Ferris <ferrit@peacenik.co.uk> wrote:

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:25:56 +1300, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <o5b3k2d154g9sb5o2alug4nif551lrts28@4ax.com>,
David Johnston <rgorman@block.net> wrote:

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:25:56 +1300, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <j3o1k2l1j4s52lm67ogn53mrk6bvgb1ggh@4ax.com>,
David Johnston <rgorman@block.net> wrote:

[snip]

Sure it is. Homosexual men tend to be promiscuous, and homosexual
marriage would do nothing to discourage that. It would probably

just

undermine marriage.


Given that marriage does nothing to discourage promiscuity as you

say,

does it matter if marriage is undermined? What's the point of
marriage if not to discourage promiscuity?


Marriage would do little or nothing to discourage promiscuity among
homosexual men. It does discourage promiscuity among heterosexual

men.


This is because the sexes are different from each other,


I'm sorry, you're going have to fill in that gigantic gap. How does
the sexes being different keep men from cheating?


The difference between the sexes means that heterosexual men have fewer
opportunities for being sexually promiscuous than homosexual men have.


Not at all true. Women outnumber men, so obviously there are more
likely partners for a heterosexual than a homosexual.


Stupid argument. Women outnumber men by only a small degree.

A small degree is still enough to directly contradict your statement.
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_____ \_ __/_ ___/_ /__ /_ _ _ \_ /_ __ \__ /
____/ // /_ _ / _ / _ __/ / __/ / / /_/ /_ /
/____/ \__/ /_/ /_/ /_/ \___//_/ \____/ /_/
Skeptic, atheist...and somehow an optimist. Go figure.
I want to change the world.
.
User: "Qazfez"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 03 Nov 2006 12:50:24 AM
In article <op.tidjs5sv5i5s70@chris>, Strife767 <strife767@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:48:41 -0500, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <50mek2doiv8asdd609s0cuhth7uqrccljr@4ax.com>,
Alan Ferris <ferrit@peacenik.co.uk> wrote:

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:25:56 +1300, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <o5b3k2d154g9sb5o2alug4nif551lrts28@4ax.com>,
David Johnston <rgorman@block.net> wrote:

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:25:56 +1300, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <j3o1k2l1j4s52lm67ogn53mrk6bvgb1ggh@4ax.com>,
David Johnston <rgorman@block.net> wrote:

[snip]

Sure it is. Homosexual men tend to be promiscuous, and homosexual
marriage would do nothing to discourage that. It would probably

just

undermine marriage.


Given that marriage does nothing to discourage promiscuity as you

say,

does it matter if marriage is undermined? What's the point of
marriage if not to discourage promiscuity?


Marriage would do little or nothing to discourage promiscuity among
homosexual men. It does discourage promiscuity among heterosexual

men.


This is because the sexes are different from each other,


I'm sorry, you're going have to fill in that gigantic gap. How does
the sexes being different keep men from cheating?


The difference between the sexes means that heterosexual men have fewer
opportunities for being sexually promiscuous than homosexual men have.


Not at all true. Women outnumber men, so obviously there are more
likely partners for a heterosexual than a homosexual.


Stupid argument. Women outnumber men by only a small degree.


A small degree is still enough to directly contradict your statement.

Not to any significant extent.
.
User: "Strife767"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 03 Nov 2006 09:00:34 PM
On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 01:50:24 -0500, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <op.tidjs5sv5i5s70@chris>, Strife767 <strife767@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:48:41 -0500, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <50mek2doiv8asdd609s0cuhth7uqrccljr@4ax.com>,
Alan Ferris <ferrit@peacenik.co.uk> wrote:

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:25:56 +1300, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <o5b3k2d154g9sb5o2alug4nif551lrts28@4ax.com>,
David Johnston <rgorman@block.net> wrote:

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:25:56 +1300, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <j3o1k2l1j4s52lm67ogn53mrk6bvgb1ggh@4ax.com>,
David Johnston <rgorman@block.net> wrote:

[snip]

Sure it is. Homosexual men tend to be promiscuous, and

homosexual

marriage would do nothing to discourage that. It would

probably

just

undermine marriage.


Given that marriage does nothing to discourage promiscuity as

you

say,

does it matter if marriage is undermined? What's the point of
marriage if not to discourage promiscuity?


Marriage would do little or nothing to discourage promiscuity

among

homosexual men. It does discourage promiscuity among heterosexual

men.


This is because the sexes are different from each other,


I'm sorry, you're going have to fill in that gigantic gap. How

does

the sexes being different keep men from cheating?


The difference between the sexes means that heterosexual men have

fewer

opportunities for being sexually promiscuous than homosexual men

have.


Not at all true. Women outnumber men, so obviously there are more
likely partners for a heterosexual than a homosexual.


Stupid argument. Women outnumber men by only a small degree.


A small degree is still enough to directly contradict your statement.


Not to any significant extent.

Yes, in fact, very significantly, since your claim was the exact opposite.
If someone said 'there are more apples than oranges in the world' and
someone else proved that there are slightly more oranges, that is still
plenty enough to destroy the first person's claim.
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__ ___/_ /__________(_)__ __/____/__ /_ ___/__ /
_____ \_ __/_ ___/_ /__ /_ _ _ \_ /_ __ \__ /
____/ // /_ _ / _ / _ __/ / __/ / / /_/ /_ /
/____/ \__/ /_/ /_/ /_/ \___//_/ \____/ /_/
Skeptic, atheist...and somehow an optimist. Go figure.
I want to change the world.
.
User: "Jeff"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 04 Nov 2006 08:06:17 PM
Strife767 wrote:

On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 01:50:24 -0500, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <op.tidjs5sv5i5s70@chris>, Strife767 <strife767@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:48:41 -0500, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <50mek2doiv8asdd609s0cuhth7uqrccljr@4ax.com>,
Alan Ferris <ferrit@peacenik.co.uk> wrote:

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:25:56 +1300, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <o5b3k2d154g9sb5o2alug4nif551lrts28@4ax.com>,
David Johnston <rgorman@block.net> wrote:

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:25:56 +1300, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

In article <j3o1k2l1j4s52lm67ogn53mrk6bvgb1ggh@4ax.com>,
David Johnston <rgorman@block.net> wrote:

[snip]

Sure it is. Homosexual men tend to be promiscuous, and

homosexual

marriage would do nothing to discourage that. It would

probably

just

undermine marriage.


Given that marriage does nothing to discourage promiscuity as

you

say,

does it matter if marriage is undermined? What's the point of
marriage if not to discourage promiscuity?


Marriage would do little or nothing to discourage promiscuity

among

homosexual men. It does discourage promiscuity among heterosexual

men.


This is because the sexes are different from each other,


I'm sorry, you're going have to fill in that gigantic gap. How

does

the sexes being different keep men from cheating?


The difference between the sexes means that heterosexual men have

fewer

opportunities for being sexually promiscuous than homosexual men

have.


Not at all true. Women outnumber men, so obviously there are more
likely partners for a heterosexual than a homosexual.


Stupid argument. Women outnumber men by only a small degree.


A small degree is still enough to directly contradict your statement.


Not to any significant extent.


Yes, in fact, very significantly, since your claim was the exact opposite.

That would only be true if that was his claim, it seems to me his claim
was that the differences between the sexes means that homosexual men
would have a better chance of having sex on any given night then a
heterosexual. Not that there are more of any one sex, it is in fact
irrelevant to his argument.


If someone said 'there are more apples than oranges in the world' and
someone else proved that there are slightly more oranges, that is still
plenty enough to destroy the first person's claim.


--
____________ _____________ __________________
__ ___/_ /__________(_)__ __/____/__ /_ ___/__ /
_____ \_ __/_ ___/_ /__ /_ _ _ \_ /_ __ \__ /
____/ // /_ _ / _ / _ __/ / __/ / / /_/ /_ /
/____/ \__/ /_/ /_/ /_/ \___//_/ \____/ /_/
Skeptic, atheist...and somehow an optimist. Go figure.
I want to change the world.

.






User: "David Johnston"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 04 Nov 2006 09:51:36 PM
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:25:56 +1300, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:

Marriage would do little or nothing to discourage promiscuity among
homosexual men. It does discourage promiscuity among heterosexual men.

This is because the sexes are different from each other,


I'm sorry, you're going have to fill in that gigantic gap. How does
the sexes being different keep men from cheating?


The difference between the sexes means that heterosexual men have fewer
opportunities for being sexually promiscuous than homosexual men have.

I don't see the connection to marriage.
.
User: "Jeff"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 05 Nov 2006 07:39:43 PM
David Johnston wrote:

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:25:56 +1300, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:


Marriage would do little or nothing to discourage promiscuity among
homosexual men. It does discourage promiscuity among heterosexual men.

This is because the sexes are different from each other,


I'm sorry, you're going have to fill in that gigantic gap. How does
the sexes being different keep men from cheating?


The difference between the sexes means that heterosexual men have fewer
opportunities for being sexually promiscuous than homosexual men have.


I don't see the connection to marriage.

Of course you don't you have to be a religious zealot to see the
connection. Basically what they are claiming is that since homosexual
men are all horny they won't stay faithful in a marriage. While
Heterosexual men have to contend with women who are not horny to break
their vows to it would be harder for them to do so. It is a weak and
tired argument.
.
User: "Ray Gordon"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 05 Nov 2006 07:57:46 PM
***** the reason men stray from their wives is because their wives don't
put out anymore and men are always horny So they wont Stray from someone who
is willing to do the deed. where as women find any excuse to just go to
sleep.
Hitler hated the Jews and burnt them alive and he had the same hatred for
the Jews as you and your god have for the gays.
So how can you say that god loves all creatures when he
would smite the gays at any given chance.
BIGOT
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David Johnston wrote:

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:25:56 +1300, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:


Marriage would do little or nothing to discourage promiscuity among
homosexual men. It does discourage promiscuity among heterosexual
men.

This is because the sexes are different from each other,


I'm sorry, you're going have to fill in that gigantic gap. How does
the sexes being different keep men from cheating?


The difference between the sexes means that heterosexual men have fewer
opportunities for being sexually promiscuous than homosexual men have.


I don't see the connection to marriage.


Of course you don't you have to be a religious zealot to see the
connection. Basically what they are claiming is that since homosexual
men are all horny they won't stay faithful in a marriage. While
Heterosexual men have to contend with women who are not horny to break
their vows to it would be harder for them to do so. It is a weak and
tired argument.

.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 05 Nov 2006 09:45:22 PM
On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:57:46 +1100, "Ray Gordon" <ray@cybershit.com>
wrote:

***** the reason men stray from their wives is because their wives don't
put out anymore and men are always horny So they wont Stray from someone who
is willing to do the deed. where as women find any excuse to just go to
sleep.

Nonsense. Faithful men remain faithful, unfaithful men remain
unfaithful. It has very little to do with sexual orientation.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed
to ignore totally all the patient findings of thinking minds through all
the centuries since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant
people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking
among us who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all, who
would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us, who would invade
our schools and libraries and homes.
- Isaac Asimov
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
.

User: "Nobody"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 05 Nov 2006 08:05:22 PM
Ray Gordon wrote:

***** the reason men stray from their wives is because their
wives don't put out anymore and men are always horny So they wont
Stray from someone who is willing to do the deed. where as women
find any excuse to just go to sleep.

Hitler hated the Jews and burnt them alive and he had the same
hatred for the Jews as you and your god have for the gays.

So how can you say that god loves all creatures when he
would smite the gays at any given chance.

Are you any relation to KKKaren?
.
User: "Paul Ricard"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 05 Nov 2006 09:08:22 PM
Nobody not@home.anymore said:

Ray Gordon wrote:

***** the reason men stray from their wives is because their
wives don't put out anymore and men are always horny So they wont
Stray from someone who is willing to do the deed. where as women
find any excuse to just go to sleep.

Hitler hated the Jews and burnt them alive and he had the same
hatred for the Jews as you and your god have for the gays.

So how can you say that god loves all creatures when he
would smite the gays at any given chance.


Are you any relation to KKKaren?

Karen hates Jews, obviously doesn't.
.
User: "Viejo Vizcacha"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 05 Nov 2006 09:14:38 PM
Paul Ricard wrote:

Nobody not@home.anymore said:

Ray Gordon wrote:


***** the reason men stray from their wives is because their
wives don't put out anymore and men are always horny So they wont
Stray from someone who is willing to do the deed. where as women
find any excuse to just go to sleep.

Hitler hated the Jews and burnt them alive and he had the same
hatred for the Jews as you and your god have for the gays.

So how can you say that god loves all creatures when he
would smite the gays at any given chance.


Are you any relation to KKKaren?


Karen hates Jews, obviously doesn't.

It appears "Nobody" is more interested in the people posting than in the
arguments posted.
Nothing wrong with that.
VV
.
User: "Nobody"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 06 Nov 2006 07:46:09 PM
Viejo Vizcacha wrote:

Paul Ricard wrote:

Nobody not@home.anymore said:

Ray Gordon wrote:


***** the reason men stray from their wives is because their
wives don't put out anymore and men are always horny So they
wont Stray from someone who is willing to do the deed. where as
women find any excuse to just go to sleep.

Hitler hated the Jews and burnt them alive and he had the same
hatred for the Jews as you and your god have for the gays.

So how can you say that god loves all creatures when he
would smite the gays at any given chance.


Are you any relation to KKKaren?


Karen hates Jews, obviously doesn't.



It appears "Nobody" is more interested in the people posting than
in the arguments posted.

Nothing wrong with that.

VV

Actually, iof you just look at the first paragraph, it could easily
be KKKaren that wrote it. When it degraded, things changed. Mind
you, there is nothing there that says the OP didn't hate Jews as
well.
.
User: "Jeff"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 07 Nov 2006 07:43:57 AM
Nobody wrote:

Viejo Vizcacha wrote:

Paul Ricard wrote:

Nobody not@home.anymore said:

Ray Gordon wrote:


***** the reason men stray from their wives is because their
wives don't put out anymore and men are always horny So they
wont Stray from someone who is willing to do the deed. where as
women find any excuse to just go to sleep.

Hitler hated the Jews and burnt them alive and he had the same
hatred for the Jews as you and your god have for the gays.

So how can you say that god loves all creatures when he
would smite the gays at any given chance.


Are you any relation to KKKaren?


Karen hates Jews, obviously doesn't.



It appears "Nobody" is more interested in the people posting than
in the arguments posted.

Nothing wrong with that.

VV


Actually, iof you just look at the first paragraph, it could easily
be KKKaren that wrote it. When it degraded, things changed. Mind
you, there is nothing there that says the OP didn't hate Jews as
well.

There is nothing in there that says the OP doesn't hate puppies either,
yet that is just as irrelevant as your statement.
.





User: "Jeff"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 06 Nov 2006 07:38:07 AM
Ray Gordon wrote:

***** the reason men stray from their wives is because their wives don't
put out anymore and men are always horny So they wont Stray from someone who
is willing to do the deed. where as women find any excuse to just go to
sleep.

Hitler hated the Jews and burnt them alive and he had the same hatred for
the Jews as you and your god have for the gays.

So how can you say that god loves all creatures when he
would smite the gays at any given chance.

BIGOT
--

Just out of curiosity, are you calling me a bigot? If so I invite you
to re-read my post. While I didn't call the argument ***** I did say
that the argument was weak and tired and that it would take a religious
zealot to agree with it, does that sound like I agree with the argument
in any way shape or form?

















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David Johnston wrote:

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:25:56 +1300, Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:


Marriage would do little or nothing to discourage promiscuity among
homosexual men. It does discourage promiscuity among heterosexual
men.

This is because the sexes are different from each other,


I'm sorry, you're going have to fill in that gigantic gap. How does
the sexes being different keep men from cheating?


The difference between the sexes means that heterosexual men have fewer
opportunities for being sexually promiscuous than homosexual men have.


I don't see the connection to marriage.


Of course you don't you have to be a religious zealot to see the
connection. Basically what they are claiming is that since homosexual
men are all horny they won't stay faithful in a marriage. While
Heterosexual men have to contend with women who are not horny to break
their vows to it would be harder for them to do so. It is a weak and
tired argument.

.











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Not God, but man saves lives & prevents suffering yet again.
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--- Do not let devil deceive you.