Religions > Atheism > Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive
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Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive |
http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=5014&department=CFI&categoryid=family
By Robert Knight
On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penned a
column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marriage'") in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosexuality is
morally wrong. But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "gay
marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my letter that
the Times printed in response on December 13:
Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religious
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans are becoming
increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality, especially
on children.
By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suffer from
"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments are rarely
heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that children do
best in intact, married homes, and that homosexuality carries enormous
physical and mental health risks, even in places where governments promote
homosexual unions.
A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where "gay marriage"
has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases are
soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that "partnered" homosexuals
have "outside" lovers, although fewer than the "unpartnered," and that men
in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at alarming
rates. This is progress?
As for the moral argument, it's easy to make to those who have not shut
their ears to self-evident truth. But even if marriage were not created by
God Himself as the fountainhead of human life, a powerful case can be made
on purely sociological grounds. Sanctioning "gay marriage" would, among
other things:
Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.
Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will put more kids
at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually transmitted
diseases.
Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. For example:
"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in
the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letellier in Men
Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).
A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that "slightly
more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had been abused
by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intimate Violence
in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice
Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dailey, The
Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family Research
Council, 2001.
Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent practice
of favoring married households and begin placing more children in motherless
or fatherless households.
Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather than seek to
re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.
Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of millions of
people who believe homosexuality is wrong.
Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, religion and
association.
California is Exhibit A, where "domestic partnerships" are part of an
overall homosexual agenda. Golden State employers must subsidize homosexual
relationships or give up state contracts. Employers must promote
transsexuality as a civil right or risk a $150,000 fine. All foster care
parents must take "diversity" training that orders them to affirm a child's
sexual behavior, including "cross-dressing."
If you're a Californian who believes in traditional morality, your
government regards you as an enemy of the state. If "gay marriage" becomes
legal nationally, all Americans will be subject to the tender mercies of
pro-homosexual bureaucrats.
Mr. Lindberg himself alludes to the fact that many people think
homosexuality is wrong but are embarrassed to say so. It's not because of
the "weakness of the argument" but rather the unceasing media campaign to
portray anyone who disagrees with homosexual activism as a "bigot" or a
"hater." During the Vietnam War, liberals invoked the ghost of Joe McCarthy
to silence anti-communist opinion. Today, sexual libertines are using stigma
to strangle honest discussion about homosexuality.
When the traditionalist Rev. Earle Fox was accorded three minutes for
dissent at the consecration ceremony for New Hampshire's homosexual
Episcopal bishop V. Gene Robinson, the Rev. Fox began listing the practices
in which homosexuals typically engage. "I wanted them to know what they were
blessing in God's name," he said. The chairman cut off the Rev. Fox in
mid-presentation. Even three minutes of truth is too much for those who
pretend that homosexuality is normal and harmless.
Until the realities of homosexual behavior are examined publicly, Mr.
Lindberg may be right that only moral arguments will carry any weight. But
it's not because the social arguments are weak; it is because the public is
being kept in the dark about the real costs of homosexuality.
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J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com
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| Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive |
24 Oct 2006 11:34:04 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Concerned Women for America <snicker>
On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penned a
column in The Washington Times
The Washington Times <snicker>
("The case against same-sex 'marriage'") in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosexuality is
morally wrong.
Tautology: "I believe it's morally wrong, therefore I believe it's morally
wrong."
But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "gay
marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my letter
that
the Times printed in response on December 13:
Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religious
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans are
becoming
increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality,
especially
on children.
Actually, polls show increasing support for same-sex marriage.
A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where "gay marriage"
has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases are
soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that "partnered" homosexuals
have "outside" lovers, although fewer than the "unpartnered,"
In other words, it's lowering gay promiscuity. What are you complaining
about?
Remaining ***** snipped.
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| User: "Nobby" |
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24 Oct 2006 07:55:55 PM |
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote
Actually, polls show increasing support for same-sex marriage.
What about the opinions of the Pedophile Catholic Priesthood? They know that
sex outside of the bond of wedlock with a woman is Satan's way, that's why they
drool over seducing alter boys.
Ask the Hitler Youth Pope, he'll tell you how to live righteously.
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| User: "Juanjo" |
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25 Oct 2006 03:33:09 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=5014&department=CFI&categoryid=family
By Robert Knight
Robert Knight is director of the Culture and Family Institute (CFI), an
affiliate of Concerned Women for America>
he is citing to biased research performed by the brain-dead fundies. Mr.
Lindberg himself said none of the crap that Bob did.
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| User: "Newk Indofman" |
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23 Oct 2006 12:12:07 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Sanctioning "gay marriage" would, among
other things:
Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.
Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will put more
kids
at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually transmitted
diseases.
Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. For
example:
"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in
the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letellier in
Men
Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).
A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that "slightly
more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had been
abused
by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intimate
Violence
in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice
Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dailey, The
Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family Research
Council, 2001.
Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent practice
of favoring married households and begin placing more children in
motherless
or fatherless households.
Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather than seek
to
re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.
Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of millions of
people who believe homosexuality is wrong.
Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, religion and
association.
[]
Can you say... hysteria, obsession and narcissism?
http://ebar.com/columns/column.php?sec=outright
William Eskridge, a Yale law professor, has written that anti-gay prejudice
has been marked historically by three characteristics. These are: (1)
"hysterical demonization of gay people as dirty sexualized subhumans"; (2)
"obsessional fears of gay people as conspiratorial and sexually predatory";
and (3) "narcissistic desires to reinforce stable heterosexual identity ...
by bashing gay people." The primary historical traits of homophobia are thus
hysteria, obsession, and narcissism.
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| User: "Qazfez" |
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23 Oct 2006 11:55:22 PM |
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In article <HJ6%g.7274$zy2.5567@tornado.socal.rr.com>,
"Newk Indofman" <With@FullVoice.org> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:psudnX1iH-17faHYnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@giganews.com...
http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=5014&department=CFI&categoryid=fam
ily
[]
Sanctioning "gay marriage" would, among
other things:
Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.
Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will put more
kids
at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually transmitted
diseases.
Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. For
example:
"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in
the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letellier in
Men
Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).
A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that "slightly
more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had been
abused
by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intimate
Violence
in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice
Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dailey, The
Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family Research
Council, 2001.
Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent practice
of favoring married households and begin placing more children in
motherless
or fatherless households.
Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather than seek
to
re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.
Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of millions of
people who believe homosexuality is wrong.
Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, religion and
association.
[]
Can you say... hysteria, obsession and narcissism?
http://ebar.com/columns/column.php?sec=outright
William Eskridge, a Yale law professor, has written that anti-gay prejudice
has been marked historically by three characteristics. These are: (1)
"hysterical demonization of gay people as dirty sexualized subhumans"; (2)
"obsessional fears of gay people as conspiratorial and sexually predatory";
and (3) "narcissistic desires to reinforce stable heterosexual identity ...
by bashing gay people." The primary historical traits of homophobia are thus
hysteria, obsession, and narcissism.
In the above quote, what does "sexualized" mean? Does it mean that
homosexuals tend to have a lot of sex? If that's all it means, it's not
a prejudice.
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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23 Oct 2006 08:09:13 PM |
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J Young wrote:
On December 9, Hoover Institution
Remember: If it's a Hoover, it sucks,
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"If Christians want us to believe in a Redeemer, let them act redeemed."
--Voltaire
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| User: "ArthurP" |
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23 Oct 2006 11:08:57 AM |
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J Young wrote:
http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=3D5014&department=3DCFI&categor=
yid=3Dfamily
By Robert Knight
On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penned a
column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marriage'") in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosexuality is
morally wrong. But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "gay
marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my letter th=
at
the Times printed in response on December 13:
Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religious
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans are becom=
ing
increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality, especia=
lly
on children.
By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suffer from
"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments are rarely
heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that children do
best in intact, married homes, and that homosexuality carries enormous
physical and mental health risks, even in places where governments promote
homosexual unions.
A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where "gay marriage"
has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases are
soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that "partnered" homosexuals
have "outside" lovers, although fewer than the "unpartnered," and that men
in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at alarming
rates. This is progress?
As for the moral argument, it's easy to make to those who have not shut
their ears to self-evident truth. But even if marriage were not created by
God Himself as the fountainhead of human life, a powerful case can be made
on purely sociological grounds. Sanctioning "gay marriage" would, among
other things:
Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.
Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will put more k=
ids
at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually transmitted
diseases.
Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. For examp=
le:
"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in
the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letellier in =
Men
Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).
A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that "slightly
more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had been abu=
sed
by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intimate Viole=
nce
in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice
Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dailey, The
Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family Research
Council, 2001.
Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent practice
of favoring married households and begin placing more children in motherl=
ess
or fatherless households.
Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather than seek=
to
re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.
Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of millions of
people who believe homosexuality is wrong.
Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, religion and
association.
California is Exhibit A, where "domestic partnerships" are part of an
overall homosexual agenda. Golden State employers must subsidize homosexu=
al
relationships or give up state contracts. Employers must promote
transsexuality as a civil right or risk a $150,000 fine. All foster care
parents must take "diversity" training that orders them to affirm a child=
's
sexual behavior, including "cross-dressing."
If you're a Californian who believes in traditional morality, your
government regards you as an enemy of the state. If "gay marriage" becomes
legal nationally, all Americans will be subject to the tender mercies of
pro-homosexual bureaucrats.
Mr. Lindberg himself alludes to the fact that many people think
homosexuality is wrong but are embarrassed to say so. It's not because of
the "weakness of the argument" but rather the unceasing media campaign to
portray anyone who disagrees with homosexual activism as a "bigot" or a
"hater." During the Vietnam War, liberals invoked the ghost of Joe McCart=
hy
to silence anti-communist opinion. Today, sexual libertines are using sti=
gma
to strangle honest discussion about homosexuality.
When the traditionalist Rev. Earle Fox was accorded three minutes for
dissent at the consecration ceremony for New Hampshire's homosexual
Episcopal bishop V. Gene Robinson, the Rev. Fox began listing the practic=
es
in which homosexuals typically engage. "I wanted them to know what they w=
ere
blessing in God's name," he said. The chairman cut off the Rev. Fox in
mid-presentation. Even three minutes of truth is too much for those who
pretend that homosexuality is normal and harmless.
Until the realities of homosexual behavior are examined publicly, Mr.
Lindberg may be right that only moral arguments will carry any weight. But
it's not because the social arguments are weak; it is because the public =
is
being kept in the dark about the real costs of homosexuality.
--
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J Y=F6ung
youngopinions@aol.com
But on the birght side, it does promote self weeding of the gene pool.
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23 Oct 2006 01:48:49 PM |
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J Young wrote:
http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=3D5014&department=3DCFI&categor=
yid=3Dfamily
By Robert Knight
On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penned a
column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marriage'") in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosexuality is
morally wrong. But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "gay
marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my letter th=
at
the Times printed in response on December 13:
Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religious
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans are becom=
ing
increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality, especia=
lly
on children.
By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suffer from
"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments are rarely
heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that children do
best in intact, married homes, and that homosexuality carries enormous
physical and mental health risks, even in places where governments promote
homosexual unions.
A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where "gay marriage"
has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases are
soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that "partnered" homosexuals
have "outside" lovers, although fewer than the "unpartnered," and that men
in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at alarming
rates. This is progress?
As for the moral argument, it's easy to make to those who have not shut
their ears to self-evident truth. But even if marriage were not created by
God Himself as the fountainhead of human life, a powerful case can be made
on purely sociological grounds. Sanctioning "gay marriage" would, among
other things:
Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.
Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will put more k=
ids
at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually transmitted
diseases.
Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. For examp=
le:
"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in
the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letellier in =
Men
Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).
A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that "slightly
more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had been abu=
sed
by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intimate Viole=
nce
in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice
Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dailey, The
Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family Research
Council, 2001.
Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent practice
of favoring married households and begin placing more children in motherl=
ess
or fatherless households.
Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather than seek=
to
re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.
Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of millions of
people who believe homosexuality is wrong.
Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, religion and
association.
California is Exhibit A, where "domestic partnerships" are part of an
overall homosexual agenda. Golden State employers must subsidize homosexu=
al
relationships or give up state contracts. Employers must promote
transsexuality as a civil right or risk a $150,000 fine. All foster care
parents must take "diversity" training that orders them to affirm a child=
's
sexual behavior, including "cross-dressing."
If you're a Californian who believes in traditional morality, your
government regards you as an enemy of the state. If "gay marriage" becomes
legal nationally, all Americans will be subject to the tender mercies of
pro-homosexual bureaucrats.
Mr. Lindberg himself alludes to the fact that many people think
homosexuality is wrong but are embarrassed to say so. It's not because of
the "weakness of the argument" but rather the unceasing media campaign to
portray anyone who disagrees with homosexual activism as a "bigot" or a
"hater." During the Vietnam War, liberals invoked the ghost of Joe McCart=
hy
to silence anti-communist opinion. Today, sexual libertines are using sti=
gma
to strangle honest discussion about homosexuality.
When the traditionalist Rev. Earle Fox was accorded three minutes for
dissent at the consecration ceremony for New Hampshire's homosexual
Episcopal bishop V. Gene Robinson, the Rev. Fox began listing the practic=
es
in which homosexuals typically engage. "I wanted them to know what they w=
ere
blessing in God's name," he said. The chairman cut off the Rev. Fox in
mid-presentation. Even three minutes of truth is too much for those who
pretend that homosexuality is normal and harmless.
Until the realities of homosexual behavior are examined publicly, Mr.
Lindberg may be right that only moral arguments will carry any weight. But
it's not because the social arguments are weak; it is because the public =
is
being kept in the dark about the real costs of homosexuality.
--
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J Y=F6ung
youngopinions@aol.com
Right Jboy, the streets of Boston ran red from the blood of the
heterosexual victims of same-gender marriage. The crying of the
orphans could barely be heard above the screams of dying.
JohnN
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23 Oct 2006 11:52:54 PM |
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In article <1161629329.082840.277010@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
J Young wrote:
http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=5014&department=CFI&categoryid=fam
ily
By Robert Knight
On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penned a
column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marriage'") in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosexuality is
morally wrong. But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "gay
marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my letter that
the Times printed in response on December 13:
Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religious
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans are
becoming
increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality,
especially
on children.
By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suffer from
"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments are rarely
heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that children do
best in intact, married homes, and that homosexuality carries enormous
physical and mental health risks, even in places where governments promote
homosexual unions.
A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where "gay marriage"
has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases are
soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that "partnered" homosexuals
have "outside" lovers, although fewer than the "unpartnered," and that men
in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at alarming
rates. This is progress?
As for the moral argument, it's easy to make to those who have not shut
their ears to self-evident truth. But even if marriage were not created by
God Himself as the fountainhead of human life, a powerful case can be made
on purely sociological grounds. Sanctioning "gay marriage" would, among
other things:
Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.
Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will put more
kids
at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually transmitted
diseases.
Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. For
example:
"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in
the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letellier in
Men
Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).
A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that "slightly
more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had been
abused
by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intimate
Violence
in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice
Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dailey, The
Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family Research
Council, 2001.
Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent practice
of favoring married households and begin placing more children in
motherless
or fatherless households.
Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather than seek
to
re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.
Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of millions of
people who believe homosexuality is wrong.
Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, religion and
association.
California is Exhibit A, where "domestic partnerships" are part of an
overall homosexual agenda. Golden State employers must subsidize homosexual
relationships or give up state contracts. Employers must promote
transsexuality as a civil right or risk a $150,000 fine. All foster care
parents must take "diversity" training that orders them to affirm a child's
sexual behavior, including "cross-dressing."
If you're a Californian who believes in traditional morality, your
government regards you as an enemy of the state. If "gay marriage" becomes
legal nationally, all Americans will be subject to the tender mercies of
pro-homosexual bureaucrats.
Mr. Lindberg himself alludes to the fact that many people think
homosexuality is wrong but are embarrassed to say so. It's not because of
the "weakness of the argument" but rather the unceasing media campaign to
portray anyone who disagrees with homosexual activism as a "bigot" or a
"hater." During the Vietnam War, liberals invoked the ghost of Joe McCarthy
to silence anti-communist opinion. Today, sexual libertines are using
stigma
to strangle honest discussion about homosexuality.
When the traditionalist Rev. Earle Fox was accorded three minutes for
dissent at the consecration ceremony for New Hampshire's homosexual
Episcopal bishop V. Gene Robinson, the Rev. Fox began listing the practices
in which homosexuals typically engage. "I wanted them to know what they
were
blessing in God's name," he said. The chairman cut off the Rev. Fox in
mid-presentation. Even three minutes of truth is too much for those who
pretend that homosexuality is normal and harmless.
Until the realities of homosexual behavior are examined publicly, Mr.
Lindberg may be right that only moral arguments will carry any weight. But
it's not because the social arguments are weak; it is because the public is
being kept in the dark about the real costs of homosexuality.
--
--
----------
J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com
Right Jboy, the streets of Boston ran red from the blood of the
heterosexual victims of same-gender marriage. The crying of the
orphans could barely be heard above the screams of dying.
JohnN
Can't you think of a better response than that?
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| User: "JohnN" |
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| Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive |
24 Oct 2006 10:03:02 AM |
|
|
Qazfez wrote:
In article <1161629329.082840.277010@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
J Young wrote:
http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=3D5014&department=3DCFI&cat=
egoryid=3Dfam
ily
By Robert Knight
On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penned=
a
column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marriage'=
") in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosexuali=
ty is
morally wrong. But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "gay
marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my lette=
r that
the Times printed in response on December 13:
Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religious
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans are
becoming
increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality,
especially
on children.
By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suffer f=
rom
"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments are r=
arely
heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that childr=
en do
best in intact, married homes, and that homosexuality carries enormous
physical and mental health risks, even in places where governments pr=
omote
homosexual unions.
A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where "gay marr=
iage"
has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted disease=
s are
soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that "partnered" homose=
xuals
have "outside" lovers, although fewer than the "unpartnered," and tha=
t men
in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at alarmi=
ng
rates. This is progress?
As for the moral argument, it's easy to make to those who have not sh=
ut
their ears to self-evident truth. But even if marriage were not creat=
ed by
God Himself as the fountainhead of human life, a powerful case can be=
made
on purely sociological grounds. Sanctioning "gay marriage" would, amo=
ng
other things:
Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.
Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will put mo=
re
kids
at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually transmit=
ted
diseases.
Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. For
example:
"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double th=
at in
the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letellier=
in
Men
Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).
A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that "slig=
htly
more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had been
abused
by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intimate
Violence
in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice
Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dailey, =
The
Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family Resea=
rch
Council, 2001.
Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent pra=
ctice
of favoring married households and begin placing more children in
motherless
or fatherless households.
Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather than =
seek
to
re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.
Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of million=
s of
people who believe homosexuality is wrong.
Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, religio=
n and
association.
California is Exhibit A, where "domestic partnerships" are part of an
overall homosexual agenda. Golden State employers must subsidize homo=
sexual
relationships or give up state contracts. Employers must promote
transsexuality as a civil right or risk a $150,000 fine. All foster c=
are
parents must take "diversity" training that orders them to affirm a c=
hild's
sexual behavior, including "cross-dressing."
If you're a Californian who believes in traditional morality, your
government regards you as an enemy of the state. If "gay marriage" be=
comes
legal nationally, all Americans will be subject to the tender mercies=
of
pro-homosexual bureaucrats.
Mr. Lindberg himself alludes to the fact that many people think
homosexuality is wrong but are embarrassed to say so. It's not becaus=
e of
the "weakness of the argument" but rather the unceasing media campaig=
n to
portray anyone who disagrees with homosexual activism as a "bigot" or=
a
"hater." During the Vietnam War, liberals invoked the ghost of Joe Mc=
Carthy
to silence anti-communist opinion. Today, sexual libertines are using
stigma
to strangle honest discussion about homosexuality.
When the traditionalist Rev. Earle Fox was accorded three minutes for
dissent at the consecration ceremony for New Hampshire's homosexual
Episcopal bishop V. Gene Robinson, the Rev. Fox began listing the pra=
ctices
in which homosexuals typically engage. "I wanted them to know what th=
ey
were
blessing in God's name," he said. The chairman cut off the Rev. Fox in
mid-presentation. Even three minutes of truth is too much for those w=
ho
pretend that homosexuality is normal and harmless.
Until the realities of homosexual behavior are examined publicly, Mr.
Lindberg may be right that only moral arguments will carry any weight=
.. But
it's not because the social arguments are weak; it is because the pub=
lic is
being kept in the dark about the real costs of homosexuality.
--
--
----------
J Y=F6ung
youngopinions@aol.com
Right Jboy, the streets of Boston ran red from the blood of the
heterosexual victims of same-gender marriage. The crying of the
orphans could barely be heard above the screams of dying.
JohnN
Can't you think of a better response than that?
Nothing has ever been presented that shows heterosexual marriage is
harmed by same-gender marriage. Since the assertion is nonsence, the
responce should be too. =20
JohnN
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| Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive |
24 Oct 2006 06:24:27 PM |
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"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote
Nothing has ever been presented that shows heterosexual marriage is
harmed by same-gender marriage. Since the assertion is nonsence, the
responce should be too.
JohnN
Christian fundamentalists often find normal relations between a man and a woman
disgusting (Clinton), then turn around and defend their Christian right wing
brethren like Mark Foley for seducing boys, or admit on Fox News to having sex
with animals.
http://www.newshounds.us/2005/05/06/bizarre_sex_habits_of_the_extreme...
Bizarre Sex Habits of The Extreme Right-Wing Last night, anti-abortion
extremist Neal Horsley was a guest on The Alan Colmes Show, a FOX News
radio program. The topic was an interesting one - whether or not an
internet service provider should allow Horsley to post the names of
abortion doctors on his website. Horsley does that as a way of targeting
them and one doctor has been killed. In the course of the interview,
however, Colmes asked Horsley about his background, including a
statement that he had admitted to engaging in homosexual and bestiality
sex.
At first, Horsley laughed and said, "Just because it's printed in the
media, people jump to believe it."
"Is it true?" Colmes asked.
"Hey, Alan, if you want to accuse me of having sex when I was a fool, I
did everything that crossed my mind that looked like I..."
AC: "You had sex with animals?"
NH: "Absolutely. I was a fool. When you grow up on a farm in Georgia,
your first girlfriend is a mule."
AC: "I'm not so sure that is so."
NH: "You didn't grow up on a farm in Georgia, did you?"
AC: "Are you suggesting that everybody who grows up on a farm in Georgia
has a mule as a girlfriend?"
NH: It has historically been the case. You people are so far removed
from the reality... Welcome to domestic life on the farm..."
Colmes said he thought there were a lot of people in the audience who
grew up on farms, are living on farms now, raising kids on farms and
"and I don't think they are dating Elsie right now. You know what I'm
saying?"
Horsley said, "You experiment with anything that moves when you are
growing up sexually. You're naive. You know better than that... If it's
warm and it's damp and it vibrates you might in fact have sex with it."
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive |
24 Oct 2006 08:38:30 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:24:27 -0400, "Mort" <mort@webtv.com> wrote:
Christian fundamentalists often find normal relations between a man and a woman
disgusting (Clinton), then turn around and defend their Christian right wing
brethren like Mark Foley for seducing boys, or admit on Fox News to having sex
with animals.
Christians often condemn what others do, then rationalize doing things
their Bible condemns.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Does it ever amaze anyone else how little faith some heterosexuals have
in heterosexuality? It's supposed to be this god-given human instinct
that only the warped and perverted ever stray from; but, it seems, if we
once tell our straight children a message even as mild as "some people
are gay, and that's all right," that'll be enough to send lil' Suzy into
the arms of women forever. It's a wonder the race has survived this
long, really..."
- Charles M Seaton (21 Dec 1994)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "Qazfez" |
|
| Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive |
26 Oct 2006 01:44:39 AM |
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|
In article <1161702182.912839.209460@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
Qazfez wrote:
In article <1161629329.082840.277010@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
J Young wrote:
http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=5014&department=CFI&categoryid
=fam
ily
By Robert Knight
On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penned a
column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marriage'")
in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosexuality
is
morally wrong. But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "gay
marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my letter
that
the Times printed in response on December 13:
Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religious
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans are
becoming
increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality,
especially
on children.
By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suffer
from
"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments are
rarely
heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that children
do
best in intact, married homes, and that homosexuality carries enormous
physical and mental health risks, even in places where governments
promote
homosexual unions.
A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where "gay
marriage"
has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases
are
soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that "partnered"
homosexuals
have "outside" lovers, although fewer than the "unpartnered," and that
men
in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at alarming
rates. This is progress?
As for the moral argument, it's easy to make to those who have not shut
their ears to self-evident truth. But even if marriage were not created
by
God Himself as the fountainhead of human life, a powerful case can be
made
on purely sociological grounds. Sanctioning "gay marriage" would, among
other things:
Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.
Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will put more
kids
at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually
transmitted
diseases.
Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. For
example:
"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that
in
the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letellier
in
Men
Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).
A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that
"slightly
more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had been
abused
by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intimate
Violence
in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice
Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dailey,
The
Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family
Research
Council, 2001.
Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent
practice
of favoring married households and begin placing more children in
motherless
or fatherless households.
Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather than
seek
to
re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.
Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of millions
of
people who believe homosexuality is wrong.
Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, religion
and
association.
California is Exhibit A, where "domestic partnerships" are part of an
overall homosexual agenda. Golden State employers must subsidize
homosexual
relationships or give up state contracts. Employers must promote
transsexuality as a civil right or risk a $150,000 fine. All foster
care
parents must take "diversity" training that orders them to affirm a
child's
sexual behavior, including "cross-dressing."
If you're a Californian who believes in traditional morality, your
government regards you as an enemy of the state. If "gay marriage"
becomes
legal nationally, all Americans will be subject to the tender mercies
of
pro-homosexual bureaucrats.
Mr. Lindberg himself alludes to the fact that many people think
homosexuality is wrong but are embarrassed to say so. It's not because
of
the "weakness of the argument" but rather the unceasing media campaign
to
portray anyone who disagrees with homosexual activism as a "bigot" or a
"hater." During the Vietnam War, liberals invoked the ghost of Joe
McCarthy
to silence anti-communist opinion. Today, sexual libertines are using
stigma
to strangle honest discussion about homosexuality.
When the traditionalist Rev. Earle Fox was accorded three minutes for
dissent at the consecration ceremony for New Hampshire's homosexual
Episcopal bishop V. Gene Robinson, the Rev. Fox began listing the
practices
in which homosexuals typically engage. "I wanted them to know what they
were
blessing in God's name," he said. The chairman cut off the Rev. Fox in
mid-presentation. Even three minutes of truth is too much for those who
pretend that homosexuality is normal and harmless.
Until the realities of homosexual behavior are examined publicly, Mr.
Lindberg may be right that only moral arguments will carry any weight.
But
it's not because the social arguments are weak; it is because the
public is
being kept in the dark about the real costs of homosexuality.
--
--
----------
J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com
Right Jboy, the streets of Boston ran red from the blood of the
heterosexual victims of same-gender marriage. The crying of the
orphans could barely be heard above the screams of dying.
JohnN
Can't you think of a better response than that?
Nothing has ever been presented that shows heterosexual marriage is
harmed by same-gender marriage. Since the assertion is nonsence, the
responce should be too.
JohnN
Ok. You go ahead and make your nonsense responses, and the anti-gay
marriage side will win. Fine.
.
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| User: "JohnN" |
|
| Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive |
26 Oct 2006 08:47:11 AM |
|
|
Qazfez wrote:
In article <1161702182.912839.209460@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
Qazfez wrote:
In article <1161629329.082840.277010@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
J Young wrote:
http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=3D5014&department=3DCFI=
&categoryid
=3Dfam
ily
By Robert Knight
On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg pe=
nned a
column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marri=
age'")
in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosex=
uality
is
morally wrong. But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "=
gay
marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my l=
etter
that
the Times printed in response on December 13:
Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religio=
us
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans a=
re
becoming
increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality,
especially
on children.
By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suff=
er
from
"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments a=
re
rarely
heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that ch=
ildren
do
best in intact, married homes, and that homosexuality carries eno=
rmous
physical and mental health risks, even in places where governments
promote
homosexual unions.
A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where "gay
marriage"
has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted dis=
eases
are
soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that "partnered"
homosexuals
have "outside" lovers, although fewer than the "unpartnered," and=
that
men
in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at al=
arming
rates. This is progress?
As for the moral argument, it's easy to make to those who have no=
t shut
their ears to self-evident truth. But even if marriage were not c=
reated
by
God Himself as the fountainhead of human life, a powerful case ca=
n be
made
on purely sociological grounds. Sanctioning "gay marriage" would,=
among
other things:
Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.
Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will pu=
t more
kids
at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually
transmitted
diseases.
Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. F=
or
example:
"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly doubl=
e that
in
the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letel=
lier
in
Men
Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).
A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that
"slightly
more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had =
been
abused
by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intima=
te
Violence
in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Pract=
ice
Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dail=
ey,
The
Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family
Research
Council, 2001.
Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent
practice
of favoring married households and begin placing more children in
motherless
or fatherless households.
Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather t=
han
seek
to
re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.
Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of mil=
lions
of
people who believe homosexuality is wrong.
Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, rel=
igion
and
association.
California is Exhibit A, where "domestic partnerships" are part o=
f an
overall homosexual agenda. Golden State employers must subsidize
homosexual
relationships or give up state contracts. Employers must promote
transsexuality as a civil right or risk a $150,000 fine. All fost=
er
care
parents must take "diversity" training that orders them to affirm=
a
child's
sexual behavior, including "cross-dressing."
If you're a Californian who believes in traditional morality, your
government regards you as an enemy of the state. If "gay marriage"
becomes
legal nationally, all Americans will be subject to the tender mer=
cies
of
pro-homosexual bureaucrats.
Mr. Lindberg himself alludes to the fact that many people think
homosexuality is wrong but are embarrassed to say so. It's not be=
cause
of
the "weakness of the argument" but rather the unceasing media cam=
paign
to
portray anyone who disagrees with homosexual activism as a "bigot=
" or a
"hater." During the Vietnam War, liberals invoked the ghost of Joe
McCarthy
to silence anti-communist opinion. Today, sexual libertines are u=
sing
stigma
to strangle honest discussion about homosexuality.
When the traditionalist Rev. Earle Fox was accorded three minutes=
for
dissent at the consecration ceremony for New Hampshire's homosexu=
al
Episcopal bishop V. Gene Robinson, the Rev. Fox began listing the
practices
in which homosexuals typically engage. "I wanted them to know wha=
t they
were
blessing in God's name," he said. The chairman cut off the Rev. F=
ox in
mid-presentation. Even three minutes of truth is too much for tho=
se who
pretend that homosexuality is normal and harmless.
Until the realities of homosexual behavior are examined publicly,=
Mr.
Lindberg may be right that only moral arguments will carry any we=
ight.
But
it's not because the social arguments are weak; it is because the
public is
being kept in the dark about the real costs of homosexuality.
--
--
----------
J Y=F6ung
youngopinions@aol.com
Right Jboy, the streets of Boston ran red from the blood of the
heterosexual victims of same-gender marriage. The crying of the
orphans could barely be heard above the screams of dying.
JohnN
Can't you think of a better response than that?
Nothing has ever been presented that shows heterosexual marriage is
harmed by same-gender marriage. Since the assertion is nonsence, the
responce should be too.
JohnN
Ok. You go ahead and make your nonsense responses, and the anti-gay
marriage side will win. Fine.
New Jersey.
JohnN
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| User: "Qazfez" |
|
| Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive |
26 Oct 2006 04:24:08 PM |
|
|
In article <1161870431.832747.60480@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
Ok. You go ahead and make your nonsense responses, and the anti-gay
marriage side will win. Fine.
New Jersey.
JohnN
You'll loose over the long term.
.
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| User: "JohnN" |
|
| Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive |
27 Oct 2006 08:51:08 AM |
|
|
I see you changed the NG's your reply was posted too. Did you have a
problem with the catholics? alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
restored; alt.flame.niggers and alt.pigfuckers dropped because I don't
like them.
Qazfez wrote:
In article <1161870431.832747.60480@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
Ok. You go ahead and make your nonsense responses, and the anti-gay
marriage side will win. Fine.
New Jersey.
JohnN
You'll loose over the long term.
History shows otherwise, just study like all the other civil rights
initiatives.
JohnN
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive |
26 Oct 2006 06:53:09 PM |
|
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Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> writes:
In article <1161870431.832747.60480@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
Ok. You go ahead and make your nonsense responses, and the anti-gay
marriage side will win. Fine.
New Jersey.
You'll loose over the long term.
You're an idiot in the short term, since you can't even spell "lose", but you
have no problem with demanding everyone obey your whimsical fantasies.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Grand Rapids 3 (SO) (October 21)
NEXT GAME: Friday, October 27 vs. Hamilton, 7:35
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| User: "Qazfez" |
|
| Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive |
26 Oct 2006 11:48:26 PM |
|
|
In article <szkpsceskgq.fsf@eris.io.com>,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> writes:
In article <1161870431.832747.60480@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
Ok. You go ahead and make your nonsense responses, and the anti-gay
marriage side will win. Fine.
New Jersey.
You'll loose over the long term.
You're an idiot in the short term, since you can't even spell "lose", but you
have no problem with demanding everyone obey your whimsical fantasies.
Consider some of the things you can do with a loose.
.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
|
| Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive |
26 Oct 2006 11:50:56 PM |
|
|
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> writes:
In article <szkpsceskgq.fsf@eris.io.com>,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> writes:
In article <1161870431.832747.60480@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
Ok. You go ahead and make your nonsense responses, and the anti-gay
marriage side will win. Fine.
New Jersey.
You'll loose over the long term.
You're an idiot in the short term, since you can't even spell "lose", but
you have no problem with demanding everyone obey your whimsical fantasies.
Consider some of the things you can do with a loose.
Consider changing that first letter and hanging from it. (That, I'd gladly
support you doing.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Grand Rapids 3 (SO) (October 21)
NEXT GAME: Friday, October 27 vs. Hamilton, 7:35
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26 Oct 2006 07:49:09 PM |
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Qazfez wrote:
You'll loose over the long term.
Feh!
In the long term, the sun will go red giant and bake the planet past the
point of supporting cockroaches or even bacteria.
Golly. How terrible.
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"If Christians want us to believe in a Redeemer, let them act redeemed."
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| User: "Qazfez" |
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26 Oct 2006 08:55:12 PM |
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In article <9Ic0h.18889$pq4.11246@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>,
Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:
Qazfez wrote:
You'll loose over the long term.
Feh!
In the long term, the sun will go red giant and bake the planet past the
point of supporting cockroaches or even bacteria.
Golly. How terrible.
Don't you think that's a rather childish response?
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| Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive |
24 Oct 2006 12:40:25 PM |
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JohnN wrote:
Qazfez wrote:
In article <1161629329.082840.277010@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
J Young wrote:
http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=3D5014&department=3DCFI&c=
ategoryid=3Dfam
ily
By Robert Knight
On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penn=
ed a
column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marriag=
e'") in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosexua=
lity is
morally wrong. But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "gay
marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my let=
ter that
the Times printed in response on December 13:
Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religious
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans are
becoming
increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality,
especially
on children.
By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suffer=
from
"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments are=
rarely
heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that chil=
dren do
best in intact, married homes, and that homosexuality carries enorm=
ous
physical and mental health risks, even in places where governments =
promote
homosexual unions.
A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where "gay ma=
rriage"
has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted disea=
ses are
soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that "partnered" homo=
sexuals
have "outside" lovers, although fewer than the "unpartnered," and t=
hat men
in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at alar=
ming
rates. This is progress?
As for the moral argument, it's easy to make to those who have not =
shut
their ears to self-evident truth. But even if marriage were not cre=
ated by
God Himself as the fountainhead of human life, a powerful case can =
be made
on purely sociological grounds. Sanctioning "gay marriage" would, a=
mong
other things:
Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.
Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will put =
more
kids
at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually transm=
itted
diseases.
Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. For
example:
"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double =
that in
the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letelli=
er in
Men
Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).
A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that "sl=
ightly
more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had be=
en
abused
by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intimate
Violence
in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice
Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dailey=
, The
Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family Res=
earch
Council, 2001.
Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent p=
ractice
of favoring married households and begin placing more children in
motherless
or fatherless households.
Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather tha=
n seek
to
re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.
Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of milli=
ons of
people who believe homosexuality is wrong.
Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, relig=
ion and
association.
California is Exhibit A, where "domestic partnerships" are part of =
an
overall homosexual agenda. Golden State employers must subsidize ho=
mosexual
relationships or give up state contracts. Employers must promote
transsexuality as a civil right or risk a $150,000 fine. All foster=
care
parents must take "diversity" training that orders them to affirm a=
child's
sexual behavior, including "cross-dressing."
If you're a Californian who believes in traditional morality, your
government regards you as an enemy of the state. If "gay marriage" =
becomes
legal nationally, all Americans will be subject to the tender merci=
es of
pro-homosexual bureaucrats.
Mr. Lindberg himself alludes to the fact that many people think
homosexuality is wrong but are embarrassed to say so. It's not beca=
use of
the "weakness of the argument" but rather the unceasing media campa=
ign to
portray anyone who disagrees with homosexual activism as a "bigot" =
or a
"hater." During the Vietnam War, liberals invoked the ghost of Joe =
McCarthy
to silence anti-communist opinion. Today, sexual libertines are usi=
ng
stigma
to strangle honest discussion about homosexuality.
When the traditionalist Rev. Earle Fox was accorded three minutes f=
or
dissent at the consecration ceremony for New Hampshire's homosexual
Episcopal bishop V. Gene Robinson, the Rev. Fox began listing the p=
ractices
in which homosexuals typically engage. "I wanted them to know what =
they
were
blessing in God's name," he said. The chairman cut off the Rev. Fox=
in
mid-presentation. Even three minutes of truth is too much for those=
who
pretend that homosexuality is normal and harmless.
Until the realities of homosexual behavior are examined publicly, M=
r=2E
Lindberg may be right that only moral arguments will carry any weig=
ht. But
it's not because the social arguments are weak; it is because the p=
ublic is
being kept in the dark about the real costs of homosexuality.
--
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J Y=F6ung
youngopinions@aol.com
Right Jboy, the streets of Boston ran red from the blood of the
heterosexual victims of same-gender marriage. The crying of the
orphans could barely be heard above the screams of dying.
JohnN
Can't you think of a better response than that?
Nothing has ever been presented that shows heterosexual marriage is
harmed by same-gender marriage. Since the assertion is nonsence, the
responce should be too.
JohnN
Well there may be a few out there who are thinking to themselves "I
wish I'd married John instead of Mary", and maybe they'll divorce and
track down John and tie the knot.
Who knows? The repercussions could be endless or amount to nothing.
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| User: "Jeff" |
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| Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive |
24 Oct 2006 01:03:23 PM |
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wrote:
JohnN wrote:
Qazfez wrote:
In article <1161629329.082840.277010@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
J Young wrote:
http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=3D5014&department=3DCFI=
&categoryid=3Dfam
ily
By Robert Knight
On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg pe=
nned a
column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marri=
age'") in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosex=
uality is
morally wrong. But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "=
gay
marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my l=
etter that
the Times printed in response on December 13:
Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religio=
us
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans a=
re
becoming
increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality,
especially
on children.
By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suff=
er from
"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments a=
re rarely
heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that ch=
ildren do
best in intact, married homes, and that homosexuality carries eno=
rmous
physical and mental health risks, even in places where government=
s promote
homosexual unions.
A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where "gay =
marriage"
has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted dis=
eases are
soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that "partnered" ho=
mosexuals
have "outside" lovers, although fewer than the "unpartnered," and=
that men
in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at al=
arming
rates. This is progress?
As for the moral argument, it's easy to make to those who have no=
t shut
their ears to self-evident truth. But even if marriage were not c=
reated by
God Himself as the fountainhead of human life, a powerful case ca=
n be made
on purely sociological grounds. Sanctioning "gay marriage" would,=
among
other things:
Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.
Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will pu=
t more
kids
at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually tran=
smitted
diseases.
Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. F=
or
example:
"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly doubl=
e that in
the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letel=
lier in
Men
Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).
A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that "=
slightly
more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had =
been
abused
by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intima=
te
Violence
in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Pract=
ice
Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dail=
ey, The
Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family R=
esearch
Council, 2001.
Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent=
practice
of favoring married households and begin placing more children in
motherless
or fatherless households.
Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather t=
han seek
to
re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.
Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of mil=
lions of
people who believe homosexuality is wrong.
Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, rel=
igion and
association.
California is Exhibit A, where "domestic partnerships" are part o=
f an
overall homosexual agenda. Golden State employers must subsidize =
homosexual
relationships or give up state contracts. Employers must promote
transsexuality as a civil right or risk a $150,000 fine. All fost=
er care
parents must take "diversity" training that orders them to affirm=
a child's
sexual behavior, including "cross-dressing."
If you're a Californian who believes in traditional morality, your
government regards you as an enemy of the state. If "gay marriage=
" becomes
legal nationally, all Americans will be subject to the tender mer=
cies of
pro-homosexual bureaucrats.
Mr. Lindberg himself alludes to the fact that many people think
homosexuality is wrong but are embarrassed to say so. It's not be=
cause of
the "weakness of the argument" but rather the unceasing media cam=
paign to
portray anyone who disagrees with homosexual activism as a "bigot=
" or a
"hater." During the Vietnam War, liberals invoked the ghost of Jo=
e McCarthy
to silence anti-communist opinion. Today, sexual libertines are u=
sing
stigma
to strangle honest discussion about homosexuality.
When the traditionalist Rev. Earle Fox was accorded three minutes=
for
dissent at the consecration ceremony for New Hampshire's homosexu=
al
Episcopal bishop V. Gene Robinson, the Rev. Fox began listing the=
practices
in which homosexuals typically engage. "I wanted them to know wh | | | | | |