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User: "J Young"
Date: 23 Oct 2006 10:31:39 AM
Object: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive
http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=5014&department=CFI&categoryid=family
By Robert Knight
On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penned a
column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marriage'") in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosexuality is
morally wrong. But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "gay
marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my letter that
the Times printed in response on December 13:
Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religious
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans are becoming
increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality, especially
on children.
By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suffer from
"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments are rarely
heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that children do
best in intact, married homes, and that homosexuality carries enormous
physical and mental health risks, even in places where governments promote
homosexual unions.
A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where "gay marriage"
has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases are
soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that "partnered" homosexuals
have "outside" lovers, although fewer than the "unpartnered," and that men
in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at alarming
rates. This is progress?
As for the moral argument, it's easy to make to those who have not shut
their ears to self-evident truth. But even if marriage were not created by
God Himself as the fountainhead of human life, a powerful case can be made
on purely sociological grounds. Sanctioning "gay marriage" would, among
other things:
Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.
Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will put more kids
at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually transmitted
diseases.
Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. For example:
"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in
the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letellier in Men
Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).
A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that "slightly
more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had been abused
by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intimate Violence
in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice
Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dailey, The
Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family Research
Council, 2001.
Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent practice
of favoring married households and begin placing more children in motherless
or fatherless households.
Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather than seek to
re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.
Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of millions of
people who believe homosexuality is wrong.
Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, religion and
association.
California is Exhibit A, where "domestic partnerships" are part of an
overall homosexual agenda. Golden State employers must subsidize homosexual
relationships or give up state contracts. Employers must promote
transsexuality as a civil right or risk a $150,000 fine. All foster care
parents must take "diversity" training that orders them to affirm a child's
sexual behavior, including "cross-dressing."
If you're a Californian who believes in traditional morality, your
government regards you as an enemy of the state. If "gay marriage" becomes
legal nationally, all Americans will be subject to the tender mercies of
pro-homosexual bureaucrats.
Mr. Lindberg himself alludes to the fact that many people think
homosexuality is wrong but are embarrassed to say so. It's not because of
the "weakness of the argument" but rather the unceasing media campaign to
portray anyone who disagrees with homosexual activism as a "bigot" or a
"hater." During the Vietnam War, liberals invoked the ghost of Joe McCarthy
to silence anti-communist opinion. Today, sexual libertines are using stigma
to strangle honest discussion about homosexuality.
When the traditionalist Rev. Earle Fox was accorded three minutes for
dissent at the consecration ceremony for New Hampshire's homosexual
Episcopal bishop V. Gene Robinson, the Rev. Fox began listing the practices
in which homosexuals typically engage. "I wanted them to know what they were
blessing in God's name," he said. The chairman cut off the Rev. Fox in
mid-presentation. Even three minutes of truth is too much for those who
pretend that homosexuality is normal and harmless.
Until the realities of homosexual behavior are examined publicly, Mr.
Lindberg may be right that only moral arguments will carry any weight. But
it's not because the social arguments are weak; it is because the public is
being kept in the dark about the real costs of homosexuality.
--
--
----------
J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com
.

User: "Peacenik"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 24 Oct 2006 11:34:04 AM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=5014&department=CFI&categoryid=family
Concerned Women for America <snicker>

On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penned a
column in The Washington Times

The Washington Times <snicker>

("The case against same-sex 'marriage'") in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosexuality is
morally wrong.

Tautology: "I believe it's morally wrong, therefore I believe it's morally
wrong."

But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "gay
marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my letter

that

the Times printed in response on December 13:

Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religious
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans are

becoming

increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality,

especially

on children.

Actually, polls show increasing support for same-sex marriage.

A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where "gay marriage"
has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases are
soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that "partnered" homosexuals
have "outside" lovers, although fewer than the "unpartnered,"

In other words, it's lowering gay promiscuity. What are you complaining
about?
Remaining ***** snipped.
.
User: "Nobby"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 24 Oct 2006 07:55:55 PM
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote

Actually, polls show increasing support for same-sex marriage.

What about the opinions of the Pedophile Catholic Priesthood? They know that
sex outside of the bond of wedlock with a woman is Satan's way, that's why they
drool over seducing alter boys.
Ask the Hitler Youth Pope, he'll tell you how to live righteously.
.


User: "Juanjo"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 25 Oct 2006 03:33:09 AM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=5014&department=CFI&categoryid=family





By Robert Knight

Robert Knight is director of the Culture and Family Institute (CFI), an
affiliate of Concerned Women for America>
he is citing to biased research performed by the brain-dead fundies. Mr.
Lindberg himself said none of the crap that Bob did.
.

User: "Newk Indofman"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 23 Oct 2006 12:12:07 PM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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[]

Sanctioning "gay marriage" would, among
other things:



Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.


Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will put more
kids
at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually transmitted
diseases.


Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. For
example:
"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in
the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letellier in
Men
Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).

A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that "slightly
more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had been
abused
by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intimate
Violence
in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice
Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dailey, The
Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family Research
Council, 2001.



Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent practice
of favoring married households and begin placing more children in
motherless
or fatherless households.


Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather than seek
to
re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.


Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of millions of
people who believe homosexuality is wrong.


Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, religion and
association.

[]
Can you say... hysteria, obsession and narcissism?
http://ebar.com/columns/column.php?sec=outright
William Eskridge, a Yale law professor, has written that anti-gay prejudice
has been marked historically by three characteristics. These are: (1)
"hysterical demonization of gay people as dirty sexualized subhumans"; (2)
"obsessional fears of gay people as conspiratorial and sexually predatory";
and (3) "narcissistic desires to reinforce stable heterosexual identity ...
by bashing gay people." The primary historical traits of homophobia are thus
hysteria, obsession, and narcissism.
.
User: "Qazfez"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 23 Oct 2006 11:55:22 PM
In article <HJ6%g.7274$zy2.5567@tornado.socal.rr.com>,
"Newk Indofman" <With@FullVoice.org> wrote:

"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:psudnX1iH-17faHYnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@giganews.com...


http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=5014&department=CFI&categoryid=fam
ily

[]

Sanctioning "gay marriage" would, among
other things:



Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.


Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will put more
kids
at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually transmitted
diseases.


Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. For
example:
"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in
the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letellier in
Men
Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).

A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that "slightly
more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had been
abused
by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intimate
Violence
in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice
Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dailey, The
Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family Research
Council, 2001.



Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent practice
of favoring married households and begin placing more children in
motherless
or fatherless households.


Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather than seek
to
re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.


Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of millions of
people who believe homosexuality is wrong.


Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, religion and
association.

[]

Can you say... hysteria, obsession and narcissism?

http://ebar.com/columns/column.php?sec=outright
William Eskridge, a Yale law professor, has written that anti-gay prejudice
has been marked historically by three characteristics. These are: (1)
"hysterical demonization of gay people as dirty sexualized subhumans"; (2)
"obsessional fears of gay people as conspiratorial and sexually predatory";
and (3) "narcissistic desires to reinforce stable heterosexual identity ...
by bashing gay people." The primary historical traits of homophobia are thus
hysteria, obsession, and narcissism.

In the above quote, what does "sexualized" mean? Does it mean that
homosexuals tend to have a lot of sex? If that's all it means, it's not
a prejudice.
.


User: "Dionisio"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 23 Oct 2006 08:09:13 PM
J Young wrote:

On December 9, Hoover Institution

Remember: If it's a Hoover, it sucks,
--
"If Christians want us to believe in a Redeemer, let them act redeemed."
--Voltaire
.

User: "ArthurP"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 23 Oct 2006 11:08:57 AM
J Young wrote:

http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=3D5014&department=3DCFI&categor=

yid=3Dfamily






By Robert Knight









On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penned a
column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marriage'") in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosexuality is
morally wrong. But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "gay
marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my letter th=

at

the Times printed in response on December 13:

Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religious
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans are becom=

ing

increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality, especia=

lly

on children.

By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suffer from
"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments are rarely
heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that children do
best in intact, married homes, and that homosexuality carries enormous
physical and mental health risks, even in places where governments promote
homosexual unions.



A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where "gay marriage"
has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases are
soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that "partnered" homosexuals
have "outside" lovers, although fewer than the "unpartnered," and that men
in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at alarming
rates. This is progress?


As for the moral argument, it's easy to make to those who have not shut
their ears to self-evident truth. But even if marriage were not created by
God Himself as the fountainhead of human life, a powerful case can be made
on purely sociological grounds. Sanctioning "gay marriage" would, among
other things:



Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.


Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will put more k=

ids

at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually transmitted
diseases.


Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. For examp=

le:

"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in
the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letellier in =

Men

Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).

A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that "slightly
more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had been abu=

sed

by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intimate Viole=

nce

in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice
Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dailey, The
Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family Research
Council, 2001.



Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent practice
of favoring married households and begin placing more children in motherl=

ess

or fatherless households.


Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather than seek=

to

re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.


Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of millions of
people who believe homosexuality is wrong.


Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, religion and
association.

California is Exhibit A, where "domestic partnerships" are part of an
overall homosexual agenda. Golden State employers must subsidize homosexu=

al

relationships or give up state contracts. Employers must promote
transsexuality as a civil right or risk a $150,000 fine. All foster care
parents must take "diversity" training that orders them to affirm a child=

's

sexual behavior, including "cross-dressing."


If you're a Californian who believes in traditional morality, your
government regards you as an enemy of the state. If "gay marriage" becomes
legal nationally, all Americans will be subject to the tender mercies of
pro-homosexual bureaucrats.


Mr. Lindberg himself alludes to the fact that many people think
homosexuality is wrong but are embarrassed to say so. It's not because of
the "weakness of the argument" but rather the unceasing media campaign to
portray anyone who disagrees with homosexual activism as a "bigot" or a
"hater." During the Vietnam War, liberals invoked the ghost of Joe McCart=

hy

to silence anti-communist opinion. Today, sexual libertines are using sti=

gma

to strangle honest discussion about homosexuality.


When the traditionalist Rev. Earle Fox was accorded three minutes for
dissent at the consecration ceremony for New Hampshire's homosexual
Episcopal bishop V. Gene Robinson, the Rev. Fox began listing the practic=

es

in which homosexuals typically engage. "I wanted them to know what they w=

ere

blessing in God's name," he said. The chairman cut off the Rev. Fox in
mid-presentation. Even three minutes of truth is too much for those who
pretend that homosexuality is normal and harmless.


Until the realities of homosexual behavior are examined publicly, Mr.
Lindberg may be right that only moral arguments will carry any weight. But
it's not because the social arguments are weak; it is because the public =

is

being kept in the dark about the real costs of homosexuality.












--
--
----------

J Y=F6ung
youngopinions@aol.com

But on the birght side, it does promote self weeding of the gene pool.
.

User: "JohnN"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 23 Oct 2006 01:48:49 PM
J Young wrote:

http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=3D5014&department=3DCFI&categor=

yid=3Dfamily






By Robert Knight









On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penned a
column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marriage'") in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosexuality is
morally wrong. But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "gay
marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my letter th=

at

the Times printed in response on December 13:

Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religious
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans are becom=

ing

increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality, especia=

lly

on children.

By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suffer from
"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments are rarely
heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that children do
best in intact, married homes, and that homosexuality carries enormous
physical and mental health risks, even in places where governments promote
homosexual unions.



A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where "gay marriage"
has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases are
soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that "partnered" homosexuals
have "outside" lovers, although fewer than the "unpartnered," and that men
in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at alarming
rates. This is progress?


As for the moral argument, it's easy to make to those who have not shut
their ears to self-evident truth. But even if marriage were not created by
God Himself as the fountainhead of human life, a powerful case can be made
on purely sociological grounds. Sanctioning "gay marriage" would, among
other things:



Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.


Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will put more k=

ids

at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually transmitted
diseases.


Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. For examp=

le:

"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in
the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letellier in =

Men

Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).

A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that "slightly
more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had been abu=

sed

by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intimate Viole=

nce

in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice
Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dailey, The
Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family Research
Council, 2001.



Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent practice
of favoring married households and begin placing more children in motherl=

ess

or fatherless households.


Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather than seek=

to

re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.


Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of millions of
people who believe homosexuality is wrong.


Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, religion and
association.

California is Exhibit A, where "domestic partnerships" are part of an
overall homosexual agenda. Golden State employers must subsidize homosexu=

al

relationships or give up state contracts. Employers must promote
transsexuality as a civil right or risk a $150,000 fine. All foster care
parents must take "diversity" training that orders them to affirm a child=

's

sexual behavior, including "cross-dressing."


If you're a Californian who believes in traditional morality, your
government regards you as an enemy of the state. If "gay marriage" becomes
legal nationally, all Americans will be subject to the tender mercies of
pro-homosexual bureaucrats.


Mr. Lindberg himself alludes to the fact that many people think
homosexuality is wrong but are embarrassed to say so. It's not because of
the "weakness of the argument" but rather the unceasing media campaign to
portray anyone who disagrees with homosexual activism as a "bigot" or a
"hater." During the Vietnam War, liberals invoked the ghost of Joe McCart=

hy

to silence anti-communist opinion. Today, sexual libertines are using sti=

gma

to strangle honest discussion about homosexuality.


When the traditionalist Rev. Earle Fox was accorded three minutes for
dissent at the consecration ceremony for New Hampshire's homosexual
Episcopal bishop V. Gene Robinson, the Rev. Fox began listing the practic=

es

in which homosexuals typically engage. "I wanted them to know what they w=

ere

blessing in God's name," he said. The chairman cut off the Rev. Fox in
mid-presentation. Even three minutes of truth is too much for those who
pretend that homosexuality is normal and harmless.


Until the realities of homosexual behavior are examined publicly, Mr.
Lindberg may be right that only moral arguments will carry any weight. But
it's not because the social arguments are weak; it is because the public =

is

being kept in the dark about the real costs of homosexuality.












--
--
----------

J Y=F6ung
youngopinions@aol.com

Right Jboy, the streets of Boston ran red from the blood of the
heterosexual victims of same-gender marriage. The crying of the
orphans could barely be heard above the screams of dying.
JohnN
.
User: "Qazfez"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 23 Oct 2006 11:52:54 PM
In article <1161629329.082840.277010@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:

J Young wrote:

http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=5014&department=CFI&categoryid=fam
ily





By Robert Knight









On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penned a
column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marriage'") in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosexuality is
morally wrong. But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "gay
marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my letter that
the Times printed in response on December 13:

Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religious
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans are
becoming
increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality,
especially
on children.

By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suffer from
"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments are rarely
heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that children do
best in intact, married homes, and that homosexuality carries enormous
physical and mental health risks, even in places where governments promote
homosexual unions.



A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where "gay marriage"
has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases are
soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that "partnered" homosexuals
have "outside" lovers, although fewer than the "unpartnered," and that men
in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at alarming
rates. This is progress?


As for the moral argument, it's easy to make to those who have not shut
their ears to self-evident truth. But even if marriage were not created by
God Himself as the fountainhead of human life, a powerful case can be made
on purely sociological grounds. Sanctioning "gay marriage" would, among
other things:



Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.


Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will put more
kids
at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually transmitted
diseases.


Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. For
example:
"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in
the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letellier in
Men
Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).

A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that "slightly
more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had been
abused
by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intimate
Violence
in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice
Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dailey, The
Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family Research
Council, 2001.



Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent practice
of favoring married households and begin placing more children in
motherless
or fatherless households.


Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather than seek
to
re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.


Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of millions of
people who believe homosexuality is wrong.


Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, religion and
association.

California is Exhibit A, where "domestic partnerships" are part of an
overall homosexual agenda. Golden State employers must subsidize homosexual
relationships or give up state contracts. Employers must promote
transsexuality as a civil right or risk a $150,000 fine. All foster care
parents must take "diversity" training that orders them to affirm a child's
sexual behavior, including "cross-dressing."


If you're a Californian who believes in traditional morality, your
government regards you as an enemy of the state. If "gay marriage" becomes
legal nationally, all Americans will be subject to the tender mercies of
pro-homosexual bureaucrats.


Mr. Lindberg himself alludes to the fact that many people think
homosexuality is wrong but are embarrassed to say so. It's not because of
the "weakness of the argument" but rather the unceasing media campaign to
portray anyone who disagrees with homosexual activism as a "bigot" or a
"hater." During the Vietnam War, liberals invoked the ghost of Joe McCarthy
to silence anti-communist opinion. Today, sexual libertines are using
stigma
to strangle honest discussion about homosexuality.


When the traditionalist Rev. Earle Fox was accorded three minutes for
dissent at the consecration ceremony for New Hampshire's homosexual
Episcopal bishop V. Gene Robinson, the Rev. Fox began listing the practices
in which homosexuals typically engage. "I wanted them to know what they
were
blessing in God's name," he said. The chairman cut off the Rev. Fox in
mid-presentation. Even three minutes of truth is too much for those who
pretend that homosexuality is normal and harmless.


Until the realities of homosexual behavior are examined publicly, Mr.
Lindberg may be right that only moral arguments will carry any weight. But
it's not because the social arguments are weak; it is because the public is
being kept in the dark about the real costs of homosexuality.












--
--
----------

J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com


Right Jboy, the streets of Boston ran red from the blood of the
heterosexual victims of same-gender marriage. The crying of the
orphans could barely be heard above the screams of dying.

JohnN

Can't you think of a better response than that?
.
User: "JohnN"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 24 Oct 2006 10:03:02 AM
Qazfez wrote:

In article <1161629329.082840.277010@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:

J Young wrote:

http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=3D5014&department=3DCFI&cat=

egoryid=3Dfam

ily





By Robert Knight









On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penned=

a

column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marriage'=

") in

which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosexuali=

ty is

morally wrong. But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "gay
marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my lette=

r that

the Times printed in response on December 13:

Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religious
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans are
becoming
increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality,
especially
on children.

By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suffer f=

rom

"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments are r=

arely

heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that childr=

en do

best in intact, married homes, and that homosexuality carries enormous
physical and mental health risks, even in places where governments pr=

omote

homosexual unions.



A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where "gay marr=

iage"

has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted disease=

s are

soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that "partnered" homose=

xuals

have "outside" lovers, although fewer than the "unpartnered," and tha=

t men

in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at alarmi=

ng

rates. This is progress?


As for the moral argument, it's easy to make to those who have not sh=

ut

their ears to self-evident truth. But even if marriage were not creat=

ed by

God Himself as the fountainhead of human life, a powerful case can be=

made

on purely sociological grounds. Sanctioning "gay marriage" would, amo=

ng

other things:



Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.


Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will put mo=

re

kids
at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually transmit=

ted

diseases.


Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. For
example:
"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double th=

at in

the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letellier=

in

Men
Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).

A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that "slig=

htly

more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had been
abused
by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intimate
Violence
in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice
Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dailey, =

The

Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family Resea=

rch

Council, 2001.



Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent pra=

ctice

of favoring married households and begin placing more children in
motherless
or fatherless households.


Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather than =

seek

to
re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.


Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of million=

s of

people who believe homosexuality is wrong.


Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, religio=

n and

association.

California is Exhibit A, where "domestic partnerships" are part of an
overall homosexual agenda. Golden State employers must subsidize homo=

sexual

relationships or give up state contracts. Employers must promote
transsexuality as a civil right or risk a $150,000 fine. All foster c=

are

parents must take "diversity" training that orders them to affirm a c=

hild's

sexual behavior, including "cross-dressing."


If you're a Californian who believes in traditional morality, your
government regards you as an enemy of the state. If "gay marriage" be=

comes

legal nationally, all Americans will be subject to the tender mercies=

of

pro-homosexual bureaucrats.


Mr. Lindberg himself alludes to the fact that many people think
homosexuality is wrong but are embarrassed to say so. It's not becaus=

e of

the "weakness of the argument" but rather the unceasing media campaig=

n to

portray anyone who disagrees with homosexual activism as a "bigot" or=

a

"hater." During the Vietnam War, liberals invoked the ghost of Joe Mc=

Carthy

to silence anti-communist opinion. Today, sexual libertines are using
stigma
to strangle honest discussion about homosexuality.


When the traditionalist Rev. Earle Fox was accorded three minutes for
dissent at the consecration ceremony for New Hampshire's homosexual
Episcopal bishop V. Gene Robinson, the Rev. Fox began listing the pra=

ctices

in which homosexuals typically engage. "I wanted them to know what th=

ey

were
blessing in God's name," he said. The chairman cut off the Rev. Fox in
mid-presentation. Even three minutes of truth is too much for those w=

ho

pretend that homosexuality is normal and harmless.


Until the realities of homosexual behavior are examined publicly, Mr.
Lindberg may be right that only moral arguments will carry any weight=

.. But

it's not because the social arguments are weak; it is because the pub=

lic is

being kept in the dark about the real costs of homosexuality.












--
--
----------

J Y=F6ung
youngopinions@aol.com


Right Jboy, the streets of Boston ran red from the blood of the
heterosexual victims of same-gender marriage. The crying of the
orphans could barely be heard above the screams of dying.

JohnN


Can't you think of a better response than that?

Nothing has ever been presented that shows heterosexual marriage is
harmed by same-gender marriage. Since the assertion is nonsence, the
responce should be too. =20
JohnN
.
User: "Mort"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 24 Oct 2006 06:24:27 PM
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote

Nothing has ever been presented that shows heterosexual marriage is
harmed by same-gender marriage. Since the assertion is nonsence, the
responce should be too.
JohnN

Christian fundamentalists often find normal relations between a man and a woman
disgusting (Clinton), then turn around and defend their Christian right wing
brethren like Mark Foley for seducing boys, or admit on Fox News to having sex
with animals.
http://www.newshounds.us/2005/05/06/bizarre_sex_habits_of_the_extreme...
Bizarre Sex Habits of The Extreme Right-Wing Last night, anti-abortion
extremist Neal Horsley was a guest on The Alan Colmes Show, a FOX News
radio program. The topic was an interesting one - whether or not an
internet service provider should allow Horsley to post the names of
abortion doctors on his website. Horsley does that as a way of targeting
them and one doctor has been killed. In the course of the interview,
however, Colmes asked Horsley about his background, including a
statement that he had admitted to engaging in homosexual and bestiality
sex.
At first, Horsley laughed and said, "Just because it's printed in the
media, people jump to believe it."
"Is it true?" Colmes asked.
"Hey, Alan, if you want to accuse me of having sex when I was a fool, I
did everything that crossed my mind that looked like I..."
AC: "You had sex with animals?"
NH: "Absolutely. I was a fool. When you grow up on a farm in Georgia,
your first girlfriend is a mule."
AC: "I'm not so sure that is so."
NH: "You didn't grow up on a farm in Georgia, did you?"
AC: "Are you suggesting that everybody who grows up on a farm in Georgia
has a mule as a girlfriend?"
NH: It has historically been the case. You people are so far removed
from the reality... Welcome to domestic life on the farm..."
Colmes said he thought there were a lot of people in the audience who
grew up on farms, are living on farms now, raising kids on farms and
"and I don't think they are dating Elsie right now. You know what I'm
saying?"
Horsley said, "You experiment with anything that moves when you are
growing up sexually. You're naive. You know better than that... If it's
warm and it's damp and it vibrates you might in fact have sex with it."
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 24 Oct 2006 08:38:30 PM
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:24:27 -0400, "Mort" <mort@webtv.com> wrote:

Christian fundamentalists often find normal relations between a man and a woman
disgusting (Clinton), then turn around and defend their Christian right wing
brethren like Mark Foley for seducing boys, or admit on Fox News to having sex
with animals.

Christians often condemn what others do, then rationalize doing things
their Bible condemns.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Does it ever amaze anyone else how little faith some heterosexuals have
in heterosexuality? It's supposed to be this god-given human instinct
that only the warped and perverted ever stray from; but, it seems, if we
once tell our straight children a message even as mild as "some people
are gay, and that's all right," that'll be enough to send lil' Suzy into
the arms of women forever. It's a wonder the race has survived this
long, really..."
-
Charles M Seaton (21 Dec 1994)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
.


User: "Qazfez"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 26 Oct 2006 01:44:39 AM
In article <1161702182.912839.209460@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:

Qazfez wrote:

In article <1161629329.082840.277010@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:

J Young wrote:

http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=5014&department=CFI&categoryid
=fam
ily





By Robert Knight









On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penned a
column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marriage'")
in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosexuality
is
morally wrong. But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "gay
marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my letter
that
the Times printed in response on December 13:

Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religious
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans are
becoming
increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality,
especially
on children.

By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suffer
from
"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments are
rarely
heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that children
do
best in intact, married homes, and that homosexuality carries enormous
physical and mental health risks, even in places where governments
promote
homosexual unions.



A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where "gay
marriage"
has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases
are
soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that "partnered"
homosexuals
have "outside" lovers, although fewer than the "unpartnered," and that
men
in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at alarming
rates. This is progress?


As for the moral argument, it's easy to make to those who have not shut
their ears to self-evident truth. But even if marriage were not created
by
God Himself as the fountainhead of human life, a powerful case can be
made
on purely sociological grounds. Sanctioning "gay marriage" would, among
other things:



Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.


Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will put more
kids
at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually
transmitted
diseases.


Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. For
example:
"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that
in
the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letellier
in
Men
Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).

A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that
"slightly
more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had been
abused
by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intimate
Violence
in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice
Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dailey,
The
Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family
Research
Council, 2001.



Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent
practice
of favoring married households and begin placing more children in
motherless
or fatherless households.


Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather than
seek
to
re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.


Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of millions
of
people who believe homosexuality is wrong.


Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, religion
and
association.

California is Exhibit A, where "domestic partnerships" are part of an
overall homosexual agenda. Golden State employers must subsidize
homosexual
relationships or give up state contracts. Employers must promote
transsexuality as a civil right or risk a $150,000 fine. All foster
care
parents must take "diversity" training that orders them to affirm a
child's
sexual behavior, including "cross-dressing."


If you're a Californian who believes in traditional morality, your
government regards you as an enemy of the state. If "gay marriage"
becomes
legal nationally, all Americans will be subject to the tender mercies
of
pro-homosexual bureaucrats.


Mr. Lindberg himself alludes to the fact that many people think
homosexuality is wrong but are embarrassed to say so. It's not because
of
the "weakness of the argument" but rather the unceasing media campaign
to
portray anyone who disagrees with homosexual activism as a "bigot" or a
"hater." During the Vietnam War, liberals invoked the ghost of Joe
McCarthy
to silence anti-communist opinion. Today, sexual libertines are using
stigma
to strangle honest discussion about homosexuality.


When the traditionalist Rev. Earle Fox was accorded three minutes for
dissent at the consecration ceremony for New Hampshire's homosexual
Episcopal bishop V. Gene Robinson, the Rev. Fox began listing the
practices
in which homosexuals typically engage. "I wanted them to know what they
were
blessing in God's name," he said. The chairman cut off the Rev. Fox in
mid-presentation. Even three minutes of truth is too much for those who
pretend that homosexuality is normal and harmless.


Until the realities of homosexual behavior are examined publicly, Mr.
Lindberg may be right that only moral arguments will carry any weight.
But
it's not because the social arguments are weak; it is because the
public is
being kept in the dark about the real costs of homosexuality.












--
--
----------

J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com


Right Jboy, the streets of Boston ran red from the blood of the
heterosexual victims of same-gender marriage. The crying of the
orphans could barely be heard above the screams of dying.

JohnN


Can't you think of a better response than that?


Nothing has ever been presented that shows heterosexual marriage is
harmed by same-gender marriage. Since the assertion is nonsence, the
responce should be too.

JohnN

Ok. You go ahead and make your nonsense responses, and the anti-gay
marriage side will win. Fine.
.
User: "JohnN"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 26 Oct 2006 08:47:11 AM
Qazfez wrote:

In article <1161702182.912839.209460@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:

Qazfez wrote:

In article <1161629329.082840.277010@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:

J Young wrote:

http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=3D5014&department=3DCFI=

&categoryid

=3Dfam
ily





By Robert Knight









On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg pe=

nned a

column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marri=

age'")

in
which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosex=

uality

is
morally wrong. But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "=

gay

marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my l=

etter

that
the Times printed in response on December 13:

Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religio=

us

affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans a=

re

becoming
increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality,
especially
on children.

By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suff=

er

from
"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments a=

re

rarely
heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that ch=

ildren

do
best in intact, married homes, and that homosexuality carries eno=

rmous

physical and mental health risks, even in places where governments
promote
homosexual unions.



A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where "gay
marriage"
has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted dis=

eases

are
soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that "partnered"
homosexuals
have "outside" lovers, although fewer than the "unpartnered," and=

that

men
in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at al=

arming

rates. This is progress?


As for the moral argument, it's easy to make to those who have no=

t shut

their ears to self-evident truth. But even if marriage were not c=

reated

by
God Himself as the fountainhead of human life, a powerful case ca=

n be

made
on purely sociological grounds. Sanctioning "gay marriage" would,=

among

other things:



Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.


Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will pu=

t more

kids
at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually
transmitted
diseases.


Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. F=

or

example:
"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly doubl=

e that

in
the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letel=

lier

in
Men
Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).

A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that
"slightly
more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had =

been

abused
by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intima=

te

Violence
in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Pract=

ice

Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dail=

ey,

The
Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family
Research
Council, 2001.



Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent
practice
of favoring married households and begin placing more children in
motherless
or fatherless households.


Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather t=

han

seek
to
re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.


Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of mil=

lions

of
people who believe homosexuality is wrong.


Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, rel=

igion

and
association.

California is Exhibit A, where "domestic partnerships" are part o=

f an

overall homosexual agenda. Golden State employers must subsidize
homosexual
relationships or give up state contracts. Employers must promote
transsexuality as a civil right or risk a $150,000 fine. All fost=

er

care
parents must take "diversity" training that orders them to affirm=

a

child's
sexual behavior, including "cross-dressing."


If you're a Californian who believes in traditional morality, your
government regards you as an enemy of the state. If "gay marriage"
becomes
legal nationally, all Americans will be subject to the tender mer=

cies

of
pro-homosexual bureaucrats.


Mr. Lindberg himself alludes to the fact that many people think
homosexuality is wrong but are embarrassed to say so. It's not be=

cause

of
the "weakness of the argument" but rather the unceasing media cam=

paign

to
portray anyone who disagrees with homosexual activism as a "bigot=

" or a

"hater." During the Vietnam War, liberals invoked the ghost of Joe
McCarthy
to silence anti-communist opinion. Today, sexual libertines are u=

sing

stigma
to strangle honest discussion about homosexuality.


When the traditionalist Rev. Earle Fox was accorded three minutes=

for

dissent at the consecration ceremony for New Hampshire's homosexu=

al

Episcopal bishop V. Gene Robinson, the Rev. Fox began listing the
practices
in which homosexuals typically engage. "I wanted them to know wha=

t they

were
blessing in God's name," he said. The chairman cut off the Rev. F=

ox in

mid-presentation. Even three minutes of truth is too much for tho=

se who

pretend that homosexuality is normal and harmless.


Until the realities of homosexual behavior are examined publicly,=

Mr.

Lindberg may be right that only moral arguments will carry any we=

ight.

But
it's not because the social arguments are weak; it is because the
public is
being kept in the dark about the real costs of homosexuality.












--
--
----------

J Y=F6ung
youngopinions@aol.com


Right Jboy, the streets of Boston ran red from the blood of the
heterosexual victims of same-gender marriage. The crying of the
orphans could barely be heard above the screams of dying.

JohnN


Can't you think of a better response than that?


Nothing has ever been presented that shows heterosexual marriage is
harmed by same-gender marriage. Since the assertion is nonsence, the
responce should be too.

JohnN


Ok. You go ahead and make your nonsense responses, and the anti-gay
marriage side will win. Fine.

New Jersey.
JohnN
.
User: "Qazfez"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 26 Oct 2006 04:24:08 PM
In article <1161870431.832747.60480@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]

Ok. You go ahead and make your nonsense responses, and the anti-gay
marriage side will win. Fine.


New Jersey.

JohnN

You'll loose over the long term.
.
User: "JohnN"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 27 Oct 2006 08:51:08 AM
I see you changed the NG's your reply was posted too. Did you have a
problem with the catholics? alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
restored; alt.flame.niggers and alt.pigfuckers dropped because I don't
like them.
Qazfez wrote:

In article <1161870431.832747.60480@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:

[snip]

Ok. You go ahead and make your nonsense responses, and the anti-gay
marriage side will win. Fine.


New Jersey.

JohnN


You'll loose over the long term.

History shows otherwise, just study like all the other civil rights
initiatives.
JohnN
.

User: "The Chief Instigator"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 26 Oct 2006 06:53:09 PM
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> writes:

In article <1161870431.832747.60480@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]

Ok. You go ahead and make your nonsense responses, and the anti-gay
marriage side will win. Fine.

New Jersey.

You'll loose over the long term.

You're an idiot in the short term, since you can't even spell "lose", but you
have no problem with demanding everyone obey your whimsical fantasies.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Grand Rapids 3 (SO) (October 21)
NEXT GAME: Friday, October 27 vs. Hamilton, 7:35
.
User: "Qazfez"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 26 Oct 2006 11:48:26 PM
In article <szkpsceskgq.fsf@eris.io.com>,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote:

Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> writes:

In article <1161870431.832747.60480@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:


[snip]


Ok. You go ahead and make your nonsense responses, and the anti-gay
marriage side will win. Fine.


New Jersey.


You'll loose over the long term.


You're an idiot in the short term, since you can't even spell "lose", but you
have no problem with demanding everyone obey your whimsical fantasies.

Consider some of the things you can do with a loose.
.
User: "The Chief Instigator"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 26 Oct 2006 11:50:56 PM
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> writes:

In article <szkpsceskgq.fsf@eris.io.com>,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote:

Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> writes:

In article <1161870431.832747.60480@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]

Ok. You go ahead and make your nonsense responses, and the anti-gay
marriage side will win. Fine.

New Jersey.

You'll loose over the long term.

You're an idiot in the short term, since you can't even spell "lose", but
you have no problem with demanding everyone obey your whimsical fantasies.

Consider some of the things you can do with a loose.

Consider changing that first letter and hanging from it. (That, I'd gladly
support you doing.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Grand Rapids 3 (SO) (October 21)
NEXT GAME: Friday, October 27 vs. Hamilton, 7:35
.



User: "Dionisio"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 26 Oct 2006 07:49:09 PM
Qazfez wrote:

You'll loose over the long term.


Feh!
In the long term, the sun will go red giant and bake the planet past the
point of supporting cockroaches or even bacteria.
Golly. How terrible.
--
"If Christians want us to believe in a Redeemer, let them act redeemed."
--Voltaire
.
User: "Qazfez"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 26 Oct 2006 08:55:12 PM
In article <9Ic0h.18889$pq4.11246@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>,
Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:

Qazfez wrote:

You'll loose over the long term.



Feh!

In the long term, the sun will go red giant and bake the planet past the
point of supporting cockroaches or even bacteria.

Golly. How terrible.

Don't you think that's a rather childish response?
.





User: ""

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 24 Oct 2006 12:40:25 PM
JohnN wrote:

Qazfez wrote:

In article <1161629329.082840.277010@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:

J Young wrote:

http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=3D5014&department=3DCFI&c=

ategoryid=3Dfam

ily





By Robert Knight









On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg penn=

ed a

column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marriag=

e'") in

which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosexua=

lity is

morally wrong. But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "gay
marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my let=

ter that

the Times printed in response on December 13:

Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religious
affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans are
becoming
increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality,
especially
on children.

By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suffer=

from

"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments are=

rarely

heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that chil=

dren do

best in intact, married homes, and that homosexuality carries enorm=

ous

physical and mental health risks, even in places where governments =

promote

homosexual unions.



A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where "gay ma=

rriage"

has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted disea=

ses are

soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that "partnered" homo=

sexuals

have "outside" lovers, although fewer than the "unpartnered," and t=

hat men

in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at alar=

ming

rates. This is progress?


As for the moral argument, it's easy to make to those who have not =

shut

their ears to self-evident truth. But even if marriage were not cre=

ated by

God Himself as the fountainhead of human life, a powerful case can =

be made

on purely sociological grounds. Sanctioning "gay marriage" would, a=

mong

other things:



Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.


Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will put =

more

kids
at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually transm=

itted

diseases.


Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. For
example:
"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double =

that in

the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letelli=

er in

Men
Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).

A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that "sl=

ightly

more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had be=

en

abused
by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intimate
Violence
in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice
Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dailey=

, The

Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family Res=

earch

Council, 2001.



Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent p=

ractice

of favoring married households and begin placing more children in
motherless
or fatherless households.


Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather tha=

n seek

to
re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.


Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of milli=

ons of

people who believe homosexuality is wrong.


Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, relig=

ion and

association.

California is Exhibit A, where "domestic partnerships" are part of =

an

overall homosexual agenda. Golden State employers must subsidize ho=

mosexual

relationships or give up state contracts. Employers must promote
transsexuality as a civil right or risk a $150,000 fine. All foster=

care

parents must take "diversity" training that orders them to affirm a=

child's

sexual behavior, including "cross-dressing."


If you're a Californian who believes in traditional morality, your
government regards you as an enemy of the state. If "gay marriage" =

becomes

legal nationally, all Americans will be subject to the tender merci=

es of

pro-homosexual bureaucrats.


Mr. Lindberg himself alludes to the fact that many people think
homosexuality is wrong but are embarrassed to say so. It's not beca=

use of

the "weakness of the argument" but rather the unceasing media campa=

ign to

portray anyone who disagrees with homosexual activism as a "bigot" =

or a

"hater." During the Vietnam War, liberals invoked the ghost of Joe =

McCarthy

to silence anti-communist opinion. Today, sexual libertines are usi=

ng

stigma
to strangle honest discussion about homosexuality.


When the traditionalist Rev. Earle Fox was accorded three minutes f=

or

dissent at the consecration ceremony for New Hampshire's homosexual
Episcopal bishop V. Gene Robinson, the Rev. Fox began listing the p=

ractices

in which homosexuals typically engage. "I wanted them to know what =

they

were
blessing in God's name," he said. The chairman cut off the Rev. Fox=

in

mid-presentation. Even three minutes of truth is too much for those=

who

pretend that homosexuality is normal and harmless.


Until the realities of homosexual behavior are examined publicly, M=

r=2E

Lindberg may be right that only moral arguments will carry any weig=

ht. But

it's not because the social arguments are weak; it is because the p=

ublic is

being kept in the dark about the real costs of homosexuality.












--
--
----------

J Y=F6ung
youngopinions@aol.com


Right Jboy, the streets of Boston ran red from the blood of the
heterosexual victims of same-gender marriage. The crying of the
orphans could barely be heard above the screams of dying.

JohnN


Can't you think of a better response than that?


Nothing has ever been presented that shows heterosexual marriage is
harmed by same-gender marriage. Since the assertion is nonsence, the
responce should be too.

JohnN

Well there may be a few out there who are thinking to themselves "I
wish I'd married John instead of Mary", and maybe they'll divorce and
track down John and tie the knot.
Who knows? The repercussions could be endless or amount to nothing.
.
User: "Jeff"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage' Is Not Only Wrong; It's Socially Destructive 24 Oct 2006 01:03:23 PM
wrote:

JohnN wrote:

Qazfez wrote:

In article <1161629329.082840.277010@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
"JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:

J Young wrote:

http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=3D5014&department=3DCFI=

&categoryid=3Dfam

ily





By Robert Knight









On December 9, Hoover Institution Research Fellow Tod Lindberg pe=

nned a

column in The Washington Times ("The case against same-sex 'marri=

age'") in

which he correctly noted that the most powerful argument against
state-sanctioned homosexual "marriage" is the belief that homosex=

uality is

morally wrong. But he dismissed the "sociological" case against "=

gay

marriage" too quickly. Below is a slightly longer version of my l=

etter that

the Times printed in response on December 13:

Polls indicate broad support for marriage that transcends religio=

us

affiliation, race and socio-economic status, and that Americans a=

re

becoming
increasingly concerned about the social fallout of homosexuality,
especially
on children.

By saying that sociological arguments against "gay marriage" suff=

er from

"weakness," Mr. Lindberg might consider that the best arguments a=

re rarely

heard. Media consistently ignore well-documented evidence that ch=

ildren do

best in intact, married homes, and that homosexuality carries eno=

rmous

physical and mental health risks, even in places where government=

s promote

homosexual unions.



A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where "gay =

marriage"

has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted dis=

eases are

soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that "partnered" ho=

mosexuals

have "outside" lovers, although fewer than the "unpartnered," and=

that men

in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at al=

arming

rates. This is progress?


As for the moral argument, it's easy to make to those who have no=

t shut

their ears to self-evident truth. But even if marriage were not c=

reated by

God Himself as the fountainhead of human life, a powerful case ca=

n be made

on purely sociological grounds. Sanctioning "gay marriage" would,=

among

other things:



Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an
ever-encroaching government.


Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will pu=

t more

kids
at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, "gay bowel syndrome," human
papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually tran=

smitted

diseases.


Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. F=

or

example:
"The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly doubl=

e that in

the heterosexual population," according to D. Island and P. Letel=

lier in

Men
Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).

A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that "=

slightly

more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had =

been

abused
by a female lover/partner." (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, "Intima=

te

Violence
in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Pract=

ice

Implications," No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dail=

ey, The

Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family R=

esearch

Council, 2001.



Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent=

practice

of favoring married households and begin placing more children in
motherless
or fatherless households.


Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather t=

han seek

to
re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.


Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of mil=

lions of

people who believe homosexuality is wrong.


Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, rel=

igion and

association.

California is Exhibit A, where "domestic partnerships" are part o=

f an

overall homosexual agenda. Golden State employers must subsidize =

homosexual

relationships or give up state contracts. Employers must promote
transsexuality as a civil right or risk a $150,000 fine. All fost=

er care

parents must take "diversity" training that orders them to affirm=

a child's

sexual behavior, including "cross-dressing."


If you're a Californian who believes in traditional morality, your
government regards you as an enemy of the state. If "gay marriage=

" becomes

legal nationally, all Americans will be subject to the tender mer=

cies of

pro-homosexual bureaucrats.


Mr. Lindberg himself alludes to the fact that many people think
homosexuality is wrong but are embarrassed to say so. It's not be=

cause of

the "weakness of the argument" but rather the unceasing media cam=

paign to

portray anyone who disagrees with homosexual activism as a "bigot=

" or a

"hater." During the Vietnam War, liberals invoked the ghost of Jo=

e McCarthy

to silence anti-communist opinion. Today, sexual libertines are u=

sing

stigma
to strangle honest discussion about homosexuality.


When the traditionalist Rev. Earle Fox was accorded three minutes=

for

dissent at the consecration ceremony for New Hampshire's homosexu=

al

Episcopal bishop V. Gene Robinson, the Rev. Fox began listing the=

practices

in which homosexuals typically engage. "I wanted them to know wh