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"J Young" |
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08 Jul 2005 02:23:43 PM |
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Gay marriage "rights" |
Gay marriage "rights"
Thomas Sowell
In all the states where gay marriage was on the ballot last year, the
voters voted against it -- as they should have.
Of all the phony arguments for gay marriage, the phoniest is the
argument that it is a matter of equal rights. Marriage is not a right
extended to individuals by the government. It is a restriction on the
rights they already have.
People who are simply living together can make whatever arrangements
they want, whether they are heterosexual or homosexual. They can divide
up their worldly belongings 50-50 or 90-10 or whatever other way they
want. They can make their union temporary or permanent or subject to
cancellation at any time.
Marriage is a restriction. If my wife buys an automobile with her own
money, under California marriage laws I automatically own half of it,
whether or not my name is on the title. Whether that law is good, bad,
or indifferent, it is a limitation of our freedom to arrange such
things as we ourselves might choose. This is just one of many decisions
that marriage laws take out of our hands.
Oliver Wendell Holmes said that the life of the law is not logic but
experience. Marriage laws have evolved through centuries of experience
with couples of opposite sexes -- and the children that result from
such unions. Society asserts its stake in the decisions made by
restricting the couples' options.
Society has no such stake in the outcome of a union between two people
of the same sex. Transferring all those laws to same-sex couples would
make no more sense than transferring the rules of baseball to football.
Why then do gay activists want their options restricted by marriage
laws, when they can make their own contracts with their own provisions
and hold whatever kinds of ceremony they want to celebrate it?
The issue is not individual rights. What the activists are seeking is
official social approval of their lifestyle. But this is the antithesis
of equal rights.
If you have a right to someone else's approval, then they do not have
a right to their own opinions and values. You cannot say that what
"consenting adults" do in private is nobody else's business and then
turn around and say that others are bound to put their seal of approval
on it.
The rhetoric of "equal rights" has become the road to special
privilege for all sorts of groups, so perhaps it was inevitable that
gay activists would take that road as well. It has worked. They have
already succeeded in getting far more government money for AIDS than
for other diseases that kill far more people.
The time is long overdue to stop word games about equal rights from
leading to special privileges -- for anybody -- and gay marriage is as
good an issue on which to do so as anything else.
Incidentally, it is not even clear how many homosexuals actually want
marriage, even though gay activists are pushing it.
What the activists really want is the stamp of acceptance on
homosexuality, as a means of spreading that lifestyle, which has become
a death style in the era of AIDS.
They have already succeeded to a remarkable degree in our public
schools, where so-called "AIDS education" or other pious titles are put
on programs that promote homosexuality. In some cases, gay activists
actually come to the schools, not only to promote homosexuality as an
idea but even to pass out the addresses of local gay hangouts to the
kids.
There is no limit to what people will do if you let them get away with
it. That our schools, which are painfully failing to educate our
children to the standards in other countries, have time for promoting
homosexuality is truly staggering.
Every special interest group has an incentive to take something away
from society as a whole. Some will be content just to siphon off a
share of the taxpayers' money for themselves. Others, however, want to
dismantle a part of the structure of values that make a society viable.
They may not want to bring down the whole structure, just get rid of
the part that cramps their style. But when innumerable groups start
dismantling pieces of the structure that they don't like, we can be
headed for the kinds of social collapses seen both in history and in
other parts of the world in our own times.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage "rights" |
09 Jul 2005 05:57:12 AM |
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And how can WBT get his wife to hump him as regularly as he imagines
gay couples do?
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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08 Jul 2005 10:53:59 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Gay marriage "rights"
Thomas Sowell
In all the states where gay marriage was on the ballot last year, the
voters voted against it -- as they should have.
Just goes to show that anti-gay bigotry is still rife.
Hold those same referenda in 20 years' time, and gay marriage will be
supported.
Of all the phony arguments for gay marriage, the phoniest is the
argument that it is a matter of equal rights.
Sorry, bub, but it IS a matter of equal rights. If straights are allowed to
marry and gays are not, then they do not enjoy equal rights.
Marriage is not a right
extended to individuals by the government.
Actually, it is, as made clear in the Loving v. Virginia ruling.
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| User: "Jonsa" |
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08 Jul 2005 03:15:12 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1120850623.725749.6450@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Gay marriage "rights"
Thomas Sowell
Gay marriage is more than about property rights. Its about a binding
commitment. Its about next of kin decisions. Its about inheritance. Its
about social benefits. Its about equal access.
The notion that some people have that homosexuals some how created by
"propaganda" is ludicrous. The gay people I have met over the course of my
life have had no more choice of their sexuality as they had over who their
parents were.
In all the states where gay marriage was on the ballot last year, the
voters voted against it -- as they should have.
Of all the phony arguments for gay marriage, the phoniest is the
argument that it is a matter of equal rights. Marriage is not a right
extended to individuals by the government. It is a restriction on the
rights they already have.
People who are simply living together can make whatever arrangements
they want, whether they are heterosexual or homosexual. They can divide
up their worldly belongings 50-50 or 90-10 or whatever other way they
want. They can make their union temporary or permanent or subject to
cancellation at any time.
Marriage is a restriction. If my wife buys an automobile with her own
money, under California marriage laws I automatically own half of it,
whether or not my name is on the title. Whether that law is good, bad,
or indifferent, it is a limitation of our freedom to arrange such
things as we ourselves might choose. This is just one of many decisions
that marriage laws take out of our hands.
Oliver Wendell Holmes said that the life of the law is not logic but
experience. Marriage laws have evolved through centuries of experience
with couples of opposite sexes -- and the children that result from
such unions. Society asserts its stake in the decisions made by
restricting the couples' options.
Society has no such stake in the outcome of a union between two people
of the same sex. Transferring all those laws to same-sex couples would
make no more sense than transferring the rules of baseball to football.
Why then do gay activists want their options restricted by marriage
laws, when they can make their own contracts with their own provisions
and hold whatever kinds of ceremony they want to celebrate it?
The issue is not individual rights. What the activists are seeking is
official social approval of their lifestyle. But this is the antithesis
of equal rights.
If you have a right to someone else's approval, then they do not have
a right to their own opinions and values. You cannot say that what
"consenting adults" do in private is nobody else's business and then
turn around and say that others are bound to put their seal of approval
on it.
The rhetoric of "equal rights" has become the road to special
privilege for all sorts of groups, so perhaps it was inevitable that
gay activists would take that road as well. It has worked. They have
already succeeded in getting far more government money for AIDS than
for other diseases that kill far more people.
The time is long overdue to stop word games about equal rights from
leading to special privileges -- for anybody -- and gay marriage is as
good an issue on which to do so as anything else.
Incidentally, it is not even clear how many homosexuals actually want
marriage, even though gay activists are pushing it.
What the activists really want is the stamp of acceptance on
homosexuality, as a means of spreading that lifestyle, which has become
a death style in the era of AIDS.
They have already succeeded to a remarkable degree in our public
schools, where so-called "AIDS education" or other pious titles are put
on programs that promote homosexuality. In some cases, gay activists
actually come to the schools, not only to promote homosexuality as an
idea but even to pass out the addresses of local gay hangouts to the
kids.
There is no limit to what people will do if you let them get away with
it. That our schools, which are painfully failing to educate our
children to the standards in other countries, have time for promoting
homosexuality is truly staggering.
Every special interest group has an incentive to take something away
from society as a whole. Some will be content just to siphon off a
share of the taxpayers' money for themselves. Others, however, want to
dismantle a part of the structure of values that make a society viable.
They may not want to bring down the whole structure, just get rid of
the part that cramps their style. But when innumerable groups start
dismantling pieces of the structure that they don't like, we can be
headed for the kinds of social collapses seen both in history and in
other parts of the world in our own times.
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| User: "Mickey" |
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09 Jul 2005 09:13:36 AM |
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"Jonsa" <jonsa123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Gay marriage "rights"
Thomas Sowell
Gay marriage is more than about property rights. Its about a binding
commitment. Its about next of kin decisions. Its about inheritance. Its
about social benefits. Its about equal access.
The notion that some people have that homosexuals some how created by
"propaganda" is ludicrous. The gay people I have met over the course of my
life have had no more choice of their sexuality as they had over who their
parents were.
It is also the single most irrelevant thing I can think of. We have people
without health insurance, an enormous federal deficit, an almost
unbelievable national debt, illegal immigrants running across our borders
like cockroaches and crazy Islamists trying to destroy our way of life. Now
someone's going to have to work REALLY hard to tell me exactly where in the
list of priorities the desires of 2 consenting adults fits in. See, this
list of priorities I have is only 10,000 entries long, and this isn't near
that important. As to those who will pipe up and spew about the "sanctity of
marriage" *****, I would remind then that here in the good ole US of A,
55% of all conventional marriages fail. When you get that ***** all fixed up,
come and talk to me about this so-called sanctity. As of now, I don't see
that 2 consenting adults committing to spend their lives together and all
that registers on any radar I have.
Mickey
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| User: "ψιςιο αψϊεού/Riain Barton" |
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08 Jul 2005 03:05:45 PM |
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| User: "LC" |
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08 Jul 2005 04:14:43 PM |
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Admitted Klan member and certified wingnut "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
AKA "IBen Getiner" <Lappcatt@AOL.com> trolled away in message
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Gay marriage "rights"
Thomas Sowell
<snip IBen's copyright violation>
Do your fellow Klan nuts and friends at <alt.flame.n*****s > know you're now
stealing a black man's work, IBen?
LC~ J's schizophrenia ain't pretty.
"Let it be know that I'm PROUD to proclaim my HATRED for QUEERS, CHILD
KILLERS and NIGGERS of ALL colours. I can't think of three more worthy
enemies. You got that...? I'm PROUD to hate faggots, abortionists and
negroes. They ALL are a POX upon the ***** of humanity. I can't wait to see
them (and their supporters like YOU) ROAST in hell!"~ "IBen/Jon
Young", feeling his Kristian love, in Message-ID:
<20040727045300.04588.00002036@mb-m10.aol.com>
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| User: "Emi M Briet" |
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08 Jul 2005 03:29:27 PM |
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In article <1120850623.725749.6450@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Of all the phony arguments for gay marriage, the phoniest is the
argument that it is a matter of equal rights. Marriage is not a right
extended to individuals by the government. It is a restriction on the
rights they already have.
Oh this I gotta hear...
People who are simply living together can make whatever arrangements
they want, whether they are heterosexual or homosexual. They can divide
up their worldly belongings 50-50 or 90-10 or whatever other way they
want. They can make their union temporary or permanent or subject to
cancellation at any time.
Married people can too...it's called divorce.
Unmarried people can't file their taxes jointly for a better refund
Unmarried people don't have automatic power of attorney over each other
if one is incapacitated and unable to communicate.
Unmarried people can't visit each other in the hospital if one of them
is incapacitated and unable to communicate (most hospitals allow family
only in such a case)
Shall I go on?
Marriage is a restriction. If my wife buys an automobile with her own
money, under California marriage laws I automatically own half of it,
whether or not my name is on the title. Whether that law is good, bad,
or indifferent, it is a limitation of our freedom to arrange such
things as we ourselves might choose. This is just one of many decisions
that marriage laws take out of our hands.
Sounds to me like your spouse is digging into your money a bit more than
you'd like if this is all you can come up with. ;)
Oliver Wendell Holmes said that the life of the law is not logic but
experience. Marriage laws have evolved through centuries of experience
with couples of opposite sexes -- and the children that result from
such unions. Society asserts its stake in the decisions made by
restricting the couples' options.
So far you've only listed *one* "restriction" that even comes close to
holding water that not every state or country has
Why then do gay activists want their options restricted by marriage
laws, when they can make their own contracts with their own provisions
and hold whatever kinds of ceremony they want to celebrate it?
Marriages can be performed any way the couple wants too, so long as the
person officiating is licensed by the jurisdiction to do so.
So far, what gays and lesbians would gain by marriage far outweighs what
you say they will be "losing".
The issue is not individual rights. What the activists are seeking is
official social approval of their lifestyle. But this is the antithesis
of equal rights.
Legal recognition is what they want....yes they'd like social approval
too but they also know they can't change how people think, they can only
try and change the law.
If you have a right to someone else's approval, then they do not have
a right to their own opinions and values. You cannot say that what
"consenting adults" do in private is nobody else's business and then
turn around and say that others are bound to put their seal of approval
on it.
No one has a 'right' to approval, but they should have the right of
legal recognition if they so choose to marry. Everyone has a right to
their own opinions and values, but they don't have the right to force it
on those who don't live by it. And don't say that allowing gays to
marry "forces" their values on you, because it doesn't, that is, you
won't be forced into a gay marriage, yet you see no problem with forcing
them to live legally unmarried when they want to get married.
The rhetoric of "equal rights" has become the road to special
privilege for all sorts of groups, so perhaps it was inevitable that
gay activists would take that road as well. It has worked. They have
already succeeded in getting far more government money for AIDS than
for other diseases that kill far more people.
Stats please? For some reason I can't find anything on Google that
supports the last part of your statement.
Besides, AIDS has nothing to do in and of itself with sexual preference.
Worldwide, the biggest group of people afflicted with AIDS is straight
women. Yes, STRAIGHT women...
The time is long overdue to stop word games about equal rights from
leading to special privileges -- for anybody -- and gay marriage is as
good an issue on which to do so as anything else.
What word games? If straights can get married, gays should be able to
as well... equal rights.
Incidentally, it is not even clear how many homosexuals actually want
marriage, even though gay activists are pushing it.
Look at news articles around May 18 2004 to see just how many couples
made the exodus to Massachusetts to get married in the few towns willing
to marry out-of-staters.
What the activists really want is the stamp of acceptance on
homosexuality, as a means of spreading that lifestyle, which has become
a death style in the era of AIDS.
Again, AIDS affects STRAIGHT WOMEN more than any other subgroup of
people. Google up the stats for yourself, but make sure the site you
get the stats from is secular.
They have already succeeded to a remarkable degree in our public
schools, where so-called "AIDS education" or other pious titles are put
on programs that promote homosexuality. In some cases, gay activists
actually come to the schools, not only to promote homosexuality as an
idea but even to pass out the addresses of local gay hangouts to the
kids.
Why they're there is mostly to tell any students who may be gay and
closeted that there is nothing wrong with them, and passing out
addresses of accepting locales gives them a place to be themselves.
They are not going to turn someone who is straight gay, but they will
tell straights that if their friend happens to be gay, it's ok. They do
it to stop people like you from coming into existance.
There is no limit to what people will do if you let them get away with
it. That our schools, which are painfully failing to educate our
children to the standards in other countries, have time for promoting
homosexuality is truly staggering.
Again, no one "promotes" the gay lifestyle, they just say that people
who happen to be gay should not be ostracised
They may not want to bring down the whole structure, just get rid of
the part that cramps their style. But when innumerable groups start
dismantling pieces of the structure that they don't like, we can be
headed for the kinds of social collapses seen both in history and in
other parts of the world in our own times.
They only want to dismantle the parts that oppress others who hurt no
one else.
--Emi
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Jul 2005 06:27:25 PM |
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In our last episode <1120850623.725749.6450@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
J Young pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Gay marriage "rights"
Thomas Sowell
In all the states where gay marriage was on the ballot last year, the
voters voted against it -- as they should have.
<SNIP>
Reality is that opposition to recognizing same sex unions is almost wholly
concentrated in the pre-boomer generation. Who is, obviously, dying off.
Give it about a generation or so and kids will read about this fight in
history books and wonder what the fuss was all about. "Gay" marriage will
be as normal as interracial marriages are now...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "The Etobian" |
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08 Jul 2005 09:29:01 PM |
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 18:27:25 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <1120850623.725749.6450@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
J Young pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Gay marriage "rights"
Thomas Sowell
In all the states where gay marriage was on the ballot last year, the
voters voted against it -- as they should have.
<SNIP>
Reality is that opposition to recognizing same sex unions is almost wholly
concentrated in the pre-boomer generation. Who is, obviously, dying off.
Give it about a generation or so and kids will read about this fight in
history books and wonder what the fuss was all about. "Gay" marriage will
be as normal as interracial marriages are now...
Except you will never see a homosexual marriage in a Catholic church.
of course, I wouldn't put it past the activist wackos who sometime in
the near future seek to have the state refuse to recognise Catholic
matrimony as legal marriages on the basis of "discrimination." In
such a case, that would allow Catholics to still get married in the
Church, but they would also have to have their marriage "validated" at
city hall or by a JP.
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| User: "Gabby" |
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09 Jul 2005 05:37:44 AM |
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"The Etobian" <pdcorcoran@msn.com> wrote in message
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Except you will never see a homosexual marriage in a Catholic church.
of course, I wouldn't put it past the activist wackos who sometime in
the near future seek to have the state refuse to recognise Catholic
matrimony as legal marriages on the basis of "discrimination." In
such a case, that would allow Catholics to still get married in the
Church, but they would also have to have their marriage "validated" at
city hall or by a JP.
Actually, I think it would be in the Church's best interest to get out of
the 'legal' marriage business altogether (like Germany, France, etc). Then
those who take the trouble to go through a religious marriage would be doing
so because it's important to them, not because it's the easy way.
Gabby
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| User: "Bryan" |
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09 Jul 2005 06:47:07 PM |
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Such a game!!! Every last person alive knows EXACTLY what marriage is,
and always has been. The fact that this is an issue of much discussion
today, is because society is trying to re-engineer itself.
Marriage has always been, and homosexuals have always been. Now it
seems we are to get them confused for the benefit of some.
Gabby wrote:
"The Etobian" <pdcorcoran@msn.com> wrote in message
news:hdduc1pln260p1ddimp1p27f64hli3qrar@4ax.com...
Except you will never see a homosexual marriage in a Catholic church.
of course, I wouldn't put it past the activist wackos who sometime in
the near future seek to have the state refuse to recognise Catholic
matrimony as legal marriages on the basis of "discrimination." In
such a case, that would allow Catholics to still get married in the
Church, but they would also have to have their marriage "validated" at
city hall or by a JP.
Actually, I think it would be in the Church's best interest to get out of
the 'legal' marriage business altogether (like Germany, France, etc). Then
those who take the trouble to go through a religious marriage would be doing
so because it's important to them, not because it's the easy way.
Gabby
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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09 Jul 2005 10:03:52 PM |
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Bryan wrote:
Such a game!!! Every last person alive knows EXACTLY what marriage
is, and always has been. The fact that this is an issue of much
discussion today, is because society is trying to re-engineer itself.
Marriage has always been, and homosexuals have always been. Now it
seems we are to get them confused for the benefit of some.
Color me puzzled, but "confusion"? The issue is marriage and
homosexuals. Yes, there are some social engineers whom would rather that
"never the twain shall meet." Fascinating, no?
--
Little Things They Forget to Mention...
Item #2: When playing strip poker, it can be difficult to tell if comments from the peanut gallery about an opponent's "good hand" are in reference to the cards.
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| User: " R. L. Measures" |
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10 Jul 2005 02:05:39 AM |
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In article <5YednXhMs42Z_E3fRVn-iA@comcast.com>, Bryan <bryan@news.net> wrote:
Such a game!!! Every last person alive knows EXACTLY what marriage is,
and always has been. The fact that this is an issue of much discussion
today, is because society is trying to re-engineer itself.
Marriage has always been, and homosexuals have always been. Now it
seems we are to get them confused for the benefit of some.
It seems to me that by homosexuals trying to usurp a word that for over
400-years was used to describes a heterosexual union, they discredit
themselves.
--
Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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10 Jul 2005 04:53:52 AM |
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" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007050005390001@192.168.1.100...
In article <5YednXhMs42Z_E3fRVn-iA@comcast.com>, Bryan <bryan@news.net>
wrote:
Such a game!!! Every last person alive knows EXACTLY what marriage is,
and always has been. The fact that this is an issue of much discussion
today, is because society is trying to re-engineer itself.
Marriage has always been, and homosexuals have always been. Now it
seems we are to get them confused for the benefit of some.
It seems to me that by homosexuals trying to usurp a word that for over
400-years was used to describes a heterosexual union, they discredit
themselves.
How can you "usurp" a word? Is there a copyright on the word marriage?
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| User: " R. L. Measures" |
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10 Jul 2005 09:39:30 AM |
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In article <Qe6Ae.20459$eM6.8453@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007050005390001@192.168.1.100...
In article <5YednXhMs42Z_E3fRVn-iA@comcast.com>, Bryan <bryan@news.net>
wrote:
Such a game!!! Every last person alive knows EXACTLY what marriage is,
and always has been. The fact that this is an issue of much discussion
today, is because society is trying to re-engineer itself.
Marriage has always been, and homosexuals have always been. Now it
seems we are to get them confused for the benefit of some.
It seems to me that by homosexuals trying to usurp the one word
that for over
400-years was used to describe a more or less respected heterosexual
union, they discredit
themselves.
How can you "usurp" a word?
By taking a word that has meant one thing for 400-odd years and
attempting to make it mean something 180Ί different -- in a vain attempt
to make homosexual unions as respected as traditional heterosexual
unions. Another example of such: Jews tried to take the word holocaust
and make it mean something different. That 5.98-million Jews died during
WW-2 is history, but very few of them died by fire. A better description
of what happened is Genocide. In her book, "The War Against the Jews"
(1975) Lucy Dawidowicz described what happened -- and they didn't die in
any fire. The only large group of Jews who is known to have died by fire
were those who cremated alive when the victorious Crusaders locked them
inside the Jerusalem synagogue and burned it to the ground.
Is there a copyright on the word marriage?
Isn't it owned by Bill Gates III ?
--
Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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10 Jul 2005 09:43:38 AM |
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" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article <Qe6Ae.20459$eM6.8453@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007050005390001@192.168.1.100...
In article <5YednXhMs42Z_E3fRVn-iA@comcast.com>, Bryan <bryan@news.net>
wrote:
Such a game!!! Every last person alive knows EXACTLY what marriage
is,
and always has been. The fact that this is an issue of much
discussion
today, is because society is trying to re-engineer itself.
Marriage has always been, and homosexuals have always been. Now it
seems we are to get them confused for the benefit of some.
It seems to me that by homosexuals trying to usurp the one word
that for over
400-years was used to describe a more or less respected heterosexual
union, they discredit
themselves.
How can you "usurp" a word?
By taking a word that has meant one thing for 400-odd years and
attempting to make it mean something 180Ί different -- in a vain attempt
to make homosexual unions as respected as traditional heterosexual
unions.
LOL! Sorry, but words change over time. It's not usurpation, it's living
in an evolving world. No one has any proprietary claim on the word
"marriage".
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| User: " R. L. Measures" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage "rights" |
10 Jul 2005 12:10:57 PM |
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In article <uuaAe.1087$oZ.459@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007050739300001@192.168.1.100...
In article <Qe6Ae.20459$eM6.8453@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007050005390001@192.168.1.100...
In article <5YednXhMs42Z_E3fRVn-iA@comcast.com>, Bryan <bryan@news.net>
wrote:
Such a game!!! Every last person alive knows EXACTLY what marriage
is,
and always has been. The fact that this is an issue of much
discussion
today, is because society is trying to re-engineer itself.
Marriage has always been, and homosexuals have always been. Now it
seems we are to get them confused for the benefit of some.
It seems to me that by homosexuals trying to usurp the one word
that for over
400-years was used to describe a more or less respected heterosexual
union, they discredit
themselves.
How can you "usurp" a word?
By taking a word that has meant one thing for 400-odd years and
attempting to make it mean something 180Ί different -- in a vain attempt
to make homosexual unions as respected as traditional heterosexual
unions.
LOL! Sorry, but words change over time. It's not usurpation, it's living
in an evolving world.
The leap from femaale/male coupling to male/male coupling is indeed
great - even though the distance involved in only c 4cm.
No one has any proprietary claim on the word
"marriage".
400-years of ownership by the hetero community ought to count for
something. If, say in 50-years, marriage is generally associated with
male-male isexual ntercourse, heterosexuals will need to find another word
for heterosexual unions and comediams will be telling marriage jokes.
cheers, Mr./Miss _______?
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Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage "rights" |
10 Jul 2005 01:23:54 PM |
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" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
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The leap from femaale/male coupling to male/male coupling is indeed
great
Only to tiny minds.
[snip]
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| User: " R. L. Measures" |
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10 Jul 2005 02:31:38 PM |
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In article <_IdAe.51$Rv7.36@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, "Dennis Kemmerer"
<dk@suespammers.org> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007051010570001@192.168.1.100...
The leap from femaale/male coupling to male/male coupling is indeed
great
Only to tiny minds.
do bisexuals have larger brains?
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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10 Jul 2005 07:10:05 PM |
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R. L. Measures wrote:
In article <_IdAe.51$Rv7.36@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, "Dennis Kemmerer"
<dk@suespammers.org> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007051010570001@192.168.1.100...
The leap from femaale/male coupling to male/male coupling is indeed
great
Only to tiny minds.
do bisexuals have larger brains?
Dorothy: "I have SO got brains!"
Hunk: "Well, why don't you use them?"
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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| User: " R. L. Measures" |
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10 Jul 2005 09:16:14 PM |
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In article <xNiAe.3806$Zy6.1245@trnddc04>, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
R. L. Measures wrote:
In article <_IdAe.51$Rv7.36@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, "Dennis Kemmerer"
<dk@suespammers.org> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007051010570001@192.168.1.100...
The leap from femaale/male coupling to male/male coupling is indeed
great
Only to tiny minds.
do bisexuals have larger brains?
Dorothy: "I have SO got brains!"
Hunk: "Well, why don't you use them?"
?
--
Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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10 Jul 2005 03:43:35 PM |
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R. L. Measures wrote:
do bisexuals have larger brains?
"Heads," you fool! "Heads!"
Uh, oh.
I just voided my 5th Amendment rights on this issue, didn't I?
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House sex: When you're newly married and having sex in every room of the house -- trying many and various positions.
Bedroom sex: That period of time after marriage when you have sex just in the bedroom.
Hall sex: When you've been married for many, many years, and you just pass each other in the hall and say "***** you."
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| User: " R. L. Measures" |
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10 Jul 2005 08:34:34 PM |
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In article <XLfAe.3705$B52.3198@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>, Dionisio
<moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
R. L. Measures wrote:
do bisexuals have larger brains?
"Heads," you fool! "Heads!"
Uh, oh.
I just voided my 5th Amendment rights on this issue, didn't I?
chortle
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Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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10 Jul 2005 12:17:06 PM |
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" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007051010570001@192.168.1.100...
In article <uuaAe.1087$oZ.459@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007050739300001@192.168.1.100...
In article <Qe6Ae.20459$eM6.8453@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007050005390001@192.168.1.100...
In article <5YednXhMs42Z_E3fRVn-iA@comcast.com>, Bryan
<bryan@news.net>
wrote:
Such a game!!! Every last person alive knows EXACTLY what
marriage
is,
and always has been. The fact that this is an issue of much
discussion
today, is because society is trying to re-engineer itself.
Marriage has always been, and homosexuals have always been. Now it
seems we are to get them confused for the benefit of some.
It seems to me that by homosexuals trying to usurp the one word
that for over
400-years was used to describe a more or less respected heterosexual
union, they discredit
themselves.
How can you "usurp" a word?
By taking a word that has meant one thing for 400-odd years and
attempting to make it mean something 180Ί different -- in a vain
attempt
to make homosexual unions as respected as traditional heterosexual
unions.
LOL! Sorry, but words change over time. It's not usurpation, it's
living
in an evolving world.
The leap from femaale/male coupling to male/male coupling is indeed
great - even though the distance involved in only c 4cm.
The leap from Catholic/Catholic coupling to Catholic/Baptist coupling was
indeed great, the leap from Race/Same Race coupling to Race/Different Race
coupling was indeed great. The Human Race survived.
No one has any proprietary claim on the word
"marriage".
400-years of ownership by the hetero community ought to count for
something.
It's a word, the hetero community never owned it.
If, say in 50-years, marriage is generally associated with
male-male isexual ntercourse, heterosexuals will need to find another word
for heterosexual unions and comediams will be telling marriage jokes.
Since when is marriage necesarilly associated with intercourse of any type?
Here's a hint: Most people are not virgins when they marry these days.
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| User: " R. L. Measures" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage "rights" |
10 Jul 2005 02:30:24 PM |
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In article <mKcAe.1218$oZ.743@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007051010570001@192.168.1.100...
In article <uuaAe.1087$oZ.459@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007050739300001@192.168.1.100...
In article <Qe6Ae.20459$eM6.8453@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007050005390001@192.168.1.100...
In article <5YednXhMs42Z_E3fRVn-iA@comcast.com>, Bryan
<bryan@news.net>
wrote:
Such a game!!! Every last person alive knows EXACTLY what
marriage
is,
and always has been. The fact that this is an issue of much
discussion
today, is because society is trying to re-engineer itself.
Marriage has always been, and homosexuals have always been. Now it
seems we are to get them confused for the benefit of some.
It seems to me that by homosexuals trying to usurp the one word
that for over
400-years was used to describe a more or less respected heterosexual
union, they discredit
themselves.
How can you "usurp" a word?
By taking a word that has meant one thing for 400-odd years and
attempting to make it mean something 180Ί different -- in a vain
attempt
to make homosexual unions as respected as traditional heterosexual
unions.
LOL! Sorry, but words change over time. It's not usurpation, it's
living
in an evolving world.
The leap from femaale/male coupling to male/male coupling is indeed
great - even though the distance involved in only c 4cm.
The leap from Catholic/Catholic coupling to Catholic/Baptist coupling was
indeed great, the leap from Race/Same Race coupling to Race/Different Race
coupling was indeed great. The Human Race survived.
In fact, it flourished since diversication spread the gene pool.
No one has any proprietary claim on the word
"marriage".
400-years of ownership by the hetero community ought to count for
something.
It's a word, the hetero community never owned it.
If, say in 50-years, marriage is generally associated with
male-male sexual ntercourse, heterosexuals will need to find another word
for heterosexual unions and comediams will be telling marriage jokes.
Since when is marriage necesarilly associated with intercourse of any type?
Since roughly the 16th century, and it's what happens after the ceremony.
Here's a hint: Most people are not virgins when they marry these days.
--
Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage "rights" |
10 Jul 2005 03:51:41 PM |
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" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007051230240001@192.168.1.100...
In article <mKcAe.1218$oZ.743@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007051010570001@192.168.1.100...
In article <uuaAe.1087$oZ.459@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007050739300001@192.168.1.100...
In article <Qe6Ae.20459$eM6.8453@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007050005390001@192.168.1.100...
In article <5YednXhMs42Z_E3fRVn-iA@comcast.com>, Bryan
<bryan@news.net>
wrote:
Such a game!!! Every last person alive knows EXACTLY what
marriage
is,
and always has been. The fact that this is an issue of much
discussion
today, is because society is trying to re-engineer itself.
Marriage has always been, and homosexuals have always been. Now
it
seems we are to get them confused for the benefit of some.
It seems to me that by homosexuals trying to usurp the one
word
that for over
400-years was used to describe a more or less respected
heterosexual
union, they discredit
themselves.
How can you "usurp" a word?
By taking a word that has meant one thing for 400-odd years and
attempting to make it mean something 180Ί different -- in a vain
attempt
to make homosexual unions as respected as traditional heterosexual
unions.
LOL! Sorry, but words change over time. It's not usurpation, it's
living
in an evolving world.
The leap from femaale/male coupling to male/male coupling is indeed
great - even though the distance involved in only c 4cm.
The leap from Catholic/Catholic coupling to Catholic/Baptist coupling was
indeed great, the leap from Race/Same Race coupling to Race/Different
Race
coupling was indeed great. The Human Race survived.
In fact, it flourished since diversication spread the gene pool.
No one has any proprietary claim on the word
"marriage".
400-years of ownership by the hetero community ought to count for
something.
It's a word, the hetero community never owned it.
If, say in 50-years, marriage is generally associated with
male-male sexual ntercourse, heterosexuals will need to find another
word
for heterosexual unions and comediams will be telling marriage jokes.
Since when is marriage necesarilly associated with intercourse of any
type?
Since roughly the 16th century, and it's what happens after the
ceremony.
It's also what happened before the ceremony, and in some cultures, during
the ceremony.
Here's a hint: Most people are not virgins when they marry these days.
--
Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: " R. L. Measures" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage "rights" |
10 Jul 2005 08:36:56 PM |
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In article <xTfAe.1320$oZ.479@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007051230240001@192.168.1.100...
In article <mKcAe.1218$oZ.743@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007051010570001@192.168.1.100...
In article <uuaAe.1087$oZ.459@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
...
No one has any proprietary claim on the word
"marriage".
400-years of ownership by the hetero community ought to count for
something.
It's a word, the hetero community never owned it.
If, say in 50-years, marriage is generally associated with
male-male sexual ntercourse, heterosexuals will need to find another
word
for heterosexual unions and comediams will be telling marriage jokes.
Since when is marriage necesarilly associated with intercourse of any
type?
Since roughly the 16th century, and it's what happens after the
ceremony.
It's also what happened before the ceremony, and in some cultures, during
the ceremony.
Damn, I've never been to a wedding like That.
--
Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage "rights" |
11 Jul 2005 05:11:21 AM |
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" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007051836560001@192.168.1.100...
In article <xTfAe.1320$oZ.479@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007051230240001@192.168.1.100...
In article <mKcAe.1218$oZ.743@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007051010570001@192.168.1.100...
In article <uuaAe.1087$oZ.459@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
...
No one has any proprietary claim on the word
"marriage".
400-years of ownership by the hetero community ought to count for
something.
It's a word, the hetero community never owned it.
If, say in 50-years, marriage is generally associated with
male-male sexual ntercourse, heterosexuals will need to find another
word
for heterosexual unions and comediams will be telling marriage
jokes.
Since when is marriage necesarilly associated with intercourse of any
type?
Since roughly the 16th century, and it's what happens after the
ceremony.
It's also what happened before the ceremony, and in some cultures, during
the ceremony.
Damn, I've never been to a wedding like That.
Well, unless you're about 300 years old, probably not. They don't hold
those old style Chivalries any more.
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| User: " R. L. Measures" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage "rights" |
11 Jul 2005 08:47:14 AM |
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In article <dBrAe.21025$eM6.2865@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007051836560001@192.168.1.100...
In article <xTfAe.1320$oZ.479@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007051230240001@192.168.1.100...
In article <mKcAe.1218$oZ.743@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007051010570001@192.168.1.100...
In article <uuaAe.1087$oZ.459@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
...
No one has any proprietary claim on the word
"marriage".
400-years of ownership by the hetero community ought to count for
something.
It's a word, the hetero community never owned it.
If, say in 50-years, marriage is generally associated with
male-male sexual ntercourse, heterosexuals will need to find another
word
for heterosexual unions and comediams will be telling marriage
jokes.
Since when is marriage necesarilly associated with intercourse of any
type?
Since roughly the 16th century, and it's what happens after the
ceremony.
It's also what happened before the ceremony, and in some cultures, during
the ceremony.
Damn, I've never been to a wedding like That.
Well, unless you're about 300 years old, probably not.
not quite
They don't hold
those old style Chivalries any more.
Wowie Batman! This would make for a very interesting NC-17 flick that
would be pretty damned sure to get $20+ million in free publicity from
outraged preachers, from George W. Bush, plus immeasurably valuable
condemnations from His Holiness the pope.
--
Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage "rights" |
11 Jul 2005 05:20:20 PM |
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" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1107050647140001@192.168.1.100...
In article <dBrAe.21025$eM6.2865@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007051836560001@192.168.1.100...
In article <xTfAe.1320$oZ.479@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007051230240001@192.168.1.100...
In article <mKcAe.1218$oZ.743@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
" R. L. Measures" <_r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:_r-1007051010570001@192.168.1.100...
In article <uuaAe.1087$oZ.459@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
...
No one has any proprietary claim on the word
"marriage".
400-years of ownership by the hetero community ought to count
for
something.
It's a word, the hetero community never owned it.
If, say in 50-years, marriage is generally associated with
male-male sexual ntercourse, heterosexuals will need to find
another
word
for heterosexual unions and comediams will be telling marriage
jokes.
Since when is marriage necesarilly associated with intercourse of
any
type?
Since roughly the 16th century, and it's what happens after the
ceremony.
It's also what happened before the ceremony, and in some cultures,
during
the ceremony.
Damn, I've never been to a wedding like That.
Well, unless you're about 300 years old, probably not.
not quite
They don't hold
those old style Chivalries any more.
Wowie Batman! This would make for a very interesting NC-17 flick
What's an NC-17 flick? Is that some new rating or something, like PG-13?
that
would be pretty damned sure to get $20+ million in free publicity from
outraged preachers, from George W. Bush, plus immeasurably valuable
condemnations from His Holiness the pope.
LOL, no doubt.
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