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"Michael Ejercito" |
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14 Sep 2007 08:46:36 PM |
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Gay/Pride |
Homosexuality is a hot topic among today's churches. With some
homosexuals demanding that their sexuality to regarded as equal to
normal sexuality, even going so far as to demand that their couplings
be defined as marriages, churches are understandably fighting back.
It is true that the Scriptures clearly condemn homosexual intercourse
(Leviticus 18:22), as does the entire history of Christian ethical
thought. Few would expect churches to excuse homosexuality any more
than they would excuse greed or idolatry.
But many pastors and priests who preach about homosexuality preach in
the context of us vs. them. But in Christian theology, there is no us
vs. them. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. )
(Romans 3:23) . The Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church teaches:
The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies
is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered,
constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with
respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust
discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are
called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are
Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the
difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
The failure of those who have no respect for homosexuals boils down to
pride. Pride leads to people looking for the faults of others while
ignoring those of their own. Pride goeth before destruction, and an
haughty spirit before a fall. (Proverbs 16:18) Homosexuality only
tempts a tiny fraction of humanity, while pride tempts almost all of
humanity.
It would be good for us to remember this.
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| User: "BAM" |
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| Title: Re: Gay/Pride |
16 Sep 2007 05:53:02 PM |
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"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote
It would be good for us to remember this.
Nobody's perfect. But I'd give more slack to a guy who occasionally used a
term like "flaming *****", then I would to a guy who's on a 24/7 butt hunt
every day of his life.
BAM
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Gay/Pride |
16 Sep 2007 09:01:01 PM |
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On Sep 16, 6:53 pm, "BAM" <mcca5...@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote
It would be good for us to remember this.
Nobody's perfect. But I'd give more slack to a guy who occasionally used a
term like "flaming *****",
Especially if he paid for the drinks...
Paul
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| User: "BAM" |
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| Title: Re: Gay/Pride |
16 Sep 2007 09:18:53 PM |
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<tomservo56954@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1189994461.250930.214670@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 16, 6:53 pm, "BAM" <mcca5...@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote
It would be good for us to remember this.
Nobody's perfect. But I'd give more slack to a guy who occasionally used
a
term like "flaming *****",
Especially if he paid for the drinks...
U betcha.
BAM
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Gay/Pride |
14 Sep 2007 11:24:25 PM |
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"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189820796.658352.272890@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Homosexuality is a hot topic among today's churches.
So why post this in a.a?
<snip>
... Christian ethical thought.
A tripple oxymoron.
Few would expect churches to excuse homosexuality any more
than they would excuse greed or idolatry.
Seems to me they wallow in all three.
But many pastors and priests who preach about homosexuality preach in
the context of us vs. them. But in Christian theology, there is no us
<snip>
Hmm. Maybe you should start a gay church.
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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| Title: Re: Gay/Pride |
15 Sep 2007 12:24:47 AM |
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Michael EJERKito:
...history of Christian ethical
thought.
There are no (morontheist) christian ethics. As the history of that evil
cult clearly proves.
Few would expect churches to excuse homosexuality any more
than they would excuse greed or idolatry.
Of course not. Judging from their demeanor, today's (again, morontheist)
churches excuse both greed and idolatry FULLY. Hard to grant even more
excuse to anything else.
The failure of those who have no respect for homosexuals boils down to
pride.
Talking 'bout yourself again, eh, jerk?
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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15 Sep 2007 11:55:50 AM |
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On Sep 14, 10:24 pm, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOsecret...@carcosa.de> wrote:
Michael EJERKito:
...history of Christian ethical
thought.
There are no (morontheist) christian ethics. As the history of that evil
cult clearly proves.
Christian ethics is obedience to the God described in the Bible.
Few would expect churches to excuse homosexuality any more
than they would excuse greed or idolatry.
Of course not. Judging from their demeanor, today's (again, morontheist)
churches excuse both greed and idolatry FULLY. Hard to grant even more
excuse to anything else.
What idols do they worship?
Michael
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| User: "Conrad J. Sabatier" |
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21 Sep 2007 06:49:18 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:55:50 -0700, Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Sep 14, 10:24 pm, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOsecret...@carcosa.de> wrote:
Michael EJERKito:
...history of Christian ethical
thought.
There are no (morontheist) christian ethics. As the history of that
evil cult clearly proves.
Christian ethics is obedience to the God described in the Bible.
God, as depicted in the Bible, seems to be suffering from a severe case
of MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder). How do you know which one to
obey?
Few would expect churches to excuse homosexuality any more than they
would excuse greed or idolatry.
Of course not. Judging from their demeanor, today's (again,
morontheist) churches excuse both greed and idolatry FULLY. Hard to
grant even more excuse to anything else.
What idols do they worship?
Michael
I assume you're not physically blind. Try taking a good look around the
next time you go to church. How many icons do you see? How many saints
and martyrs, etc. (i.e., images of beings *other* than God)? How many
images of God Himself do you see?
Catholicism: the religion of choice of the willfully ignorant.
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Conrad J. Sabatier <conrads@cox.net>
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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14 Sep 2007 08:58:52 PM |
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Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1189820796.658352.272890@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
It is true that the Scriptures clearly condemn homosexual intercourse
(Leviticus 18:22), as does the entire history of Christian ethical
thought. Few would expect churches to excuse homosexuality any more
than they would excuse greed or idolatry.
You're wearing 50/50 cotton/poly underwear, right? Leviticus forbids that
as well.
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Theists claim that there is a god; atheists do not. Religionists often
challenge atheists to prove that there is no god; but this misses the
point. Atheists claim god is unproved, not disproved. In any argument, the
burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
-Dan Barker
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| User: "Medusa" |
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16 Sep 2007 04:36:16 PM |
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On Sep 14, 8:46 pm, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Homosexuality is a hot topic among today's churches. With some
homosexuals demanding that their sexuality to regarded as equal to
normal sexuality, even going so far as to demand that their couplings
be defined as marriages, churches are understandably fighting back.
It is true that the Scriptures clearly condemn homosexual intercourse
(Leviticus 18:22), as does the entire history of Christian ethical
thought. Few would expect churches to excuse homosexuality any more
than they would excuse greed or idolatry.
Leviticus also bans the eating of pork, shellfish, and milk and meat
together. You eat cheeseburgers, right?
An ancient text should not dictate our lives today.
Medusa
AA #2281
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Gay/Pride |
15 Sep 2007 08:33:29 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com>
bloodied us up with this:
Homosexuality is a hot topic among today's churches. With some
homosexuals demanding that their sexuality to regarded as equal to
normal sexuality, even going so far as to demand that their couplings
be defined as marriages, churches are understandably fighting back.
They are fighting back, but not understandably. What's it to you if two
people want to have sex and get married? Religion does not hold the
copyright on marriage. People from different faiths get married all the
time. I'm married, and I'm an atheist.
The problem is called homophobia, and anti-gay writings just happen to be
in the most popular holy books, supporting this chickenshit brand of
bigotry.
I think before you can qualify statements like the above, you have to
define normal. What is normal? If Adam & Eve get married and disappear
into the bedroom for some oral, a facial or two, some bukakke, then top it
off with a well-lubed buttfuck, who are you to care? Same goes for Adam &
Steve, once you can throw the big ugly bigot-monkey off your back.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: Gay/Pride |
16 Sep 2007 11:38:08 AM |
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On Sep 15, 6:33 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com>
bloodied us up with this:
Homosexuality is a hot topic among today's churches. With some
homosexuals demanding that their sexuality to regarded as equal to
normal sexuality, even going so far as to demand that their couplings
be defined as marriages, churches are understandably fighting back.
They are fighting back, but not understandably. What's it to you if two
people want to have sex and get married? Religion does not hold the
copyright on marriage. People from different faiths get married all the
time. I'm married, and I'm an atheist.
Being a citizen of a republic, we the voters do have the power to
decide what marriage is.
In other places that power belongs to a pope or a panel of mullahs.
The problem is called homophobia, and anti-gay writings just happen to be
in the most popular holy books, supporting this chickenshit brand of
bigotry.
I do not fear queers.
Michael
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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16 Sep 2007 11:59:21 AM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com>
bloodied us up with this:
On Sep 15, 6:33 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com>
bloodied us up with this:
Homosexuality is a hot topic among today's churches. With some
homosexuals demanding that their sexuality to regarded as equal to
normal sexuality, even going so far as to demand that their
couplings be defined as marriages, churches are understandably
fighting back.
They are fighting back, but not understandably. What's it to you if
two people want to have sex and get married? Religion does not hold
the copyright on marriage. People from different faiths get married
all the time. I'm married, and I'm an atheist.
Being a citizen of a republic, we the voters do have the power to
decide what marriage is.
True. But you do not have the power to stop people of any type from
falling in love, having sex, defining their relationship, and making vows
to each other.
Banning gay marriage is done out of fear, prejudice, and
misunderstanding. In society, it draws a line separating normal from
abnormal without defining either.
In other places that power belongs to a pope or a panel of mullahs.
The problem is called homophobia, and anti-gay writings just happen
to be in the most popular holy books, supporting this chickenshit
brand of bigotry.
I do not fear queers.
You display your fear by calling them queers.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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| User: "Gil Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Gay/Pride |
16 Sep 2007 01:41:14 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
Banning gay marriage is done out of fear, prejudice, and
misunderstanding. In society, it draws a line separating normal from
abnormal without defining either.
Wrong on all counts. God's existence, and His standards don't vanish
before puny,secular arguments.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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17 Sep 2007 11:02:32 AM |
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"Gil Smith" <Gilsmi@charter.net>
snip
Wrong on all counts. God's existence, and His standards don't vanish
before puny,secular arguments.
What god?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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16 Sep 2007 03:11:37 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:41:14 -0700, Gil Smith <Gilsmi@charter.net> wrote:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Banning gay marriage is done out of fear, prejudice, and
misunderstanding. In society, it draws a line separating normal from
abnormal without defining either.
Wrong on all counts. God's existence, and His standards don't vanish
before puny,secular arguments.
Pity, then, that any evidence for the existence of any god has been hitherto
utterly lacking. If there _were_ such evidence, it would make your god's refusal
to vanish something more than mere verbal flatulence on your part.
WOA (Wicked Old Atheist) #2278
If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
Through a jaundiced eye darkly--rheum with a view.
The Squeeky Wheel
http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
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| User: "Conrad J. Sabatier" |
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21 Sep 2007 06:53:08 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:41:14 -0700, Gil Smith wrote:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Banning gay marriage is done out of fear, prejudice, and
misunderstanding. In society, it draws a line separating normal from
abnormal without defining either.
Wrong on all counts. God's existence, and His standards don't vanish
before puny,secular arguments.
God's "standards"??? And just what might *those* be? If you're using
the Holy Bible as your point of reference, they do seem to vary quite a
bit from one period to another, no?
--
Conrad J. Sabatier <conrads@cox.net>
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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22 Sep 2007 11:25:50 AM |
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On Sep 21, 4:53 pm, "Conrad J. Sabatier" <conr...@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:41:14 -0700, Gil Smith wrote:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Banning gay marriage is done out of fear, prejudice, and
misunderstanding. In society, it draws a line separating normal from
abnormal without defining either.
Wrong on all counts. God's existence, and His standards don't vanish
before puny,secular arguments.
God's "standards"??? And just what might *those* be? If you're using
the Holy Bible as your point of reference, they do seem to vary quite a
bit from one period to another, no?
In what way do those standards vary?
Michael
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| User: "Conrad J. Sabatier" |
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22 Sep 2007 02:15:22 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:25:50 -0700, Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Sep 21, 4:53 pm, "Conrad J. Sabatier" <conr...@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:41:14 -0700, Gil Smith wrote:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Banning gay marriage is done out of fear, prejudice, and
misunderstanding. In society, it draws a line separating normal
from abnormal without defining either.
Wrong on all counts. God's existence, and His standards don't vanish
before puny,secular arguments.
God's "standards"??? And just what might *those* be? If you're using
the Holy Bible as your point of reference, they do seem to vary quite a
bit from one period to another, no?
In what way do those standards vary?
Michael
You're really good at following up with incredibly disingenuous questions
and/or statements, aren't you?
I really haven't the time to go into all the inconsistencies and
contradictions contained in the Bible; you know as well as I do that they
do indeed exist in abundance. Try taking off the blinders and see what
you discover.
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Conrad J. Sabatier <conrads@cox.net>
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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16 Sep 2007 03:57:47 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:41:14 -0700, in alt.atheism
Gil Smith <Gilsmi@charter.net> wrote in <wLeHi.112$vE2.33@newsfe05.lga>:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Banning gay marriage is done out of fear, prejudice, and
misunderstanding. In society, it draws a line separating normal from
abnormal without defining either.
Wrong on all counts. God's existence, and His standards don't vanish
before puny,secular arguments.
There is no evidence that God exists. There is no evidence that the
standards that people say are His are indeed His. There is no evidence
that God hates gays or encourages discrimination against them. If you
were to say only what God wants, you would say nothing.
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| User: "Gil Smith" |
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17 Sep 2007 12:11:58 AM |
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Free Lunch wrote:
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:41:14 -0700, in alt.atheism
Gil Smith <Gilsmi@charter.net> wrote in <wLeHi.112$vE2.33@newsfe05.lga>:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Banning gay marriage is done out of fear, prejudice, and
misunderstanding. In society, it draws a line separating normal from
abnormal without defining either.
Wrong on all counts. God's existence, and His standards don't vanish
before puny,secular arguments.
There is no evidence that God exists. There is no evidence that the
standards that people say are His are indeed His. There is no evidence
that God hates gays or encourages discrimination against them. If you
were to say only what God wants, you would say nothing.
Faith... is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of
things not seen... Hebrews 11:1
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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17 Sep 2007 11:03:01 AM |
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"Gil Smith" <Gilsmi@charter.net> wrote
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Faith... is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things
not seen... Hebrews 11:1
So what? Prove your god exists or sit down and shut up.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Gil Smith" |
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18 Sep 2007 12:27:25 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Gil Smith" <Gilsmi@charter.net> wrote
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Faith... is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things
not seen... Hebrews 11:1
So what? Prove your god exists or sit down and shut up.
We are all proof that God exists. The very heavens declare His glory and
existence. If you're incapable of comprehending this, then that's your
problem.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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18 Sep 2007 03:23:57 AM |
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"Gil Smith" <Gilsmi@charter.net> wrote in message
news:hjJHi.282$yy1.64@newsfe02.lga...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Gil Smith" <Gilsmi@charter.net> wrote
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Faith... is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of
things not seen... Hebrews 11:1
So what? Prove your god exists or sit down and shut up.
We are all proof that God exists.
Baloney. Prove it.
The very heavens declare His glory and
existence.
Really? Prove it.
If you're incapable of comprehending this, then that's your
problem.
Dude, I have no desire to comprehend your insanity. And apparently have a
LOT less problems than you do.
Now, what do you have in the way of objective, verifiable evidence? Because
this nonsense you wrote doesn't qualify.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "josh" |
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18 Sep 2007 06:46:21 AM |
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Gil Smith says it is obvious that God created the universe.
How does he know that? Because God said so? How did he say so? Via a
human being who thought he was in touch with God?
Actually Gil, I, Josh, created the universe. I did it ten minutes ago,
complete with history. You might think you can remember yesterday but that
was just me supplying you with a few false memories so that you could make
immediate sense of the world I have created. As I am all powerful it only
took me no time at all to create it too.
I have made up a lot of historical tosh about a mysterious god who you think
created the universe but hasn't actually told you. Unlike him, I am telling
you, in a modern way by email. I don't need to dictate anything to prophets
who then right it down and call it sacred writing. Ha ha ha!
I hope you enjoy this universe I have created for you. While typing this I
have created another trillion universes complete with lots and lots of
civilisations. What fun it all is.
Love, Josh (I am a God of Love)
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19 Sep 2007 05:09:39 AM |
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On 18 Sep., 07:27, Gil Smith <Gil...@charter.net> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Gil Smith" <Gil...@charter.net> wrote
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Faith... is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things
not seen... Hebrews 11:1
So what? Prove your god exists or sit down and shut up.
We are all proof that God exists. The very heavens declare His glory and
existence. If you're incapable of comprehending this, then that's your
problem.
The existence of the material universe is very good evidence of the
existence of the material universe. Just because you cannot
understand how it could exist without a god does not mean that it
doesn't. Are you capable of understanding that?
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| User: "Conrad J. Sabatier" |
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21 Sep 2007 07:01:54 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:27:25 -0700, Gil Smith wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Gil Smith" <Gilsmi@charter.net> wrote
snip
Faith... is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of
things not seen... Hebrews 11:1
So what? Prove your god exists or sit down and shut up.
We are all proof that God exists. The very heavens declare His glory and
existence. If you're incapable of comprehending this, then that's your
problem.
Ah, yes. We all be God's Chillun. It's just that some of us are better
than others, and have a duty to let those less fortunate know just how
screwed up they are, right, pal?
My God, you poor, misguided fools. How you can take a message as
beautiful as that taught to us by Jesus Christ and twist it to your own
hateful purposes truly boggles the mind.
"Christians" such as you are a disgrace to your faith.
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Conrad J. Sabatier <conrads@cox.net>
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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18 Sep 2007 04:55:03 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:27:25 -0700, in alt.atheism
Gil Smith <Gilsmi@charter.net> wrote in <hjJHi.282$yy1.64@newsfe02.lga>:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Gil Smith" <Gilsmi@charter.net> wrote
snip
Faith... is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things
not seen... Hebrews 11:1
So what? Prove your god exists or sit down and shut up.
We are all proof that God exists.
No, we are not. That is what you have to show. You don't just get to
assert it.
The very heavens declare His glory and
existence. If you're incapable of comprehending this, then that's your
problem.
Once again, asserting something is not sufficient. Insulting people who
don't accept your unsupported assertion is fairly good evidence that you
know that you lost.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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20 Sep 2007 10:09:05 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Gil Smith <Gilsmi@charter.net> bloodied us
up with this:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Gil Smith" <Gilsmi@charter.net> wrote
snip
Faith... is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of
things not seen... Hebrews 11:1
So what? Prove your god exists or sit down and shut up.
We are all proof that God exists.
In what way? I don't believe in any gods. Does that I am proof there are
no gods?
The very heavens declare His glory
and existence.
The sky? All it does is sit there and transmit weather patterns.
If you're incapable of comprehending this, then that's
your problem.
I don't see it as a problem. I don't fear my fate (death), so I don't have
to make up hokey stories about invisible people in the sky.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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| User: "Conrad J. Sabatier" |
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| Title: Re: Gay/Pride |
21 Sep 2007 06:57:14 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:11:58 -0700, Gil Smith wrote:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:41:14 -0700, in alt.atheism Gil Smith
<Gilsmi@charter.net> wrote in <wLeHi.112$vE2.33@newsfe05.lga>:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Banning gay marriage is done out of fear, prejudice, and
misunderstanding. In society, it draws a line separating normal from
abnormal without defining either.
Wrong on all counts. God's existence, and His standards don't vanish
before puny,secular arguments.
There is no evidence that God exists. There is no evidence that the
standards that people say are His are indeed His. There is no evidence
that God hates gays or encourages discrimination against them. If you
were to say only what God wants, you would say nothing.
Faith... is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of
things not seen... Hebrews 11:1
Yes, and what is hoped for reveals much about the character of the
individual doing the hoping, doesn't it?
Doesn't the Bible also say that, before worrying about the speck in your
brother's eye, you should deal with the log in your own? Have you
forgotten that?
Do you really think it makes Jesus happy that so many people use Him in
the name of hate?
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Conrad J. Sabatier <conrads@cox.net>
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| User: "Gil Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Gay/Pride |
22 Sep 2007 10:05:58 AM |
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Conrad J. Sabatier wrote:
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:11:58 -0700, Gil Smith wrote:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:41:14 -0700, in alt.atheism Gil Smith
<Gilsmi@charter.net> wrote in <wLeHi.112$vE2.33@newsfe05.lga>:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Banning gay marriage is done out of fear, prejudice, and
misunderstanding. In society, it draws a line separating normal from
abnormal without defining either.
Wrong on all counts. God's existence, and His standards don't vanish
before puny,secular arguments.
There is no evidence that God exists. There is no evidence that the
standards that people say are His are indeed His. There is no evidence
that God hates gays or encourages discrimination against them. If you
were to say only what God wants, you would say nothing.
Faith... is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of
things not seen... Hebrews 11:1
Yes, and what is hoped for reveals much about the character of the
individual doing the hoping, doesn't it?
Doesn't the Bible also say that, before worrying about the speck in your
brother's eye, you should deal with the log in your own? Have you
forgotten that?
Do you really think it makes Jesus happy that so many people use Him in
the name of hate?
Conrad, you're getting just a bit carried away. Hate? Why, cause I think
people with your arguments have a problem? You obviously think worse
of me, seeing all the 'out of context' crap you just posted. You're
boiling, and that is clearly fueled by your hate for God. You and all
the others here don't appear to be happy people at all. You don't know
how to enjoy your own atheism without angrily attacking the other side.
Fact is, most people in the world do believe in God. It may not be my
'bible' God, but they have the faith, just the same, to go beyond the
tangible. YOU guys are in the minority, and that alone diminished your
credibility.
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