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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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14 Nov 2004 10:46:11 AM |
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George Bush: Christan War Criminal worse than Hitler |
Attack on Fallujah Can't Be Justified
by Helen Thomas
Do Americans of good conscience really believe that we are making the
United States more secure by bombing and killing the people of
Fallujah?
That's the justification President Bush and his hawkish circle have
given for their brutal offensive against the Sunni stronghold as they
push ahead for the total military occupation of Iraq.
Why are we killing Iraqis in their own country? And why are our forces
being killed?
Of course it was convenient and the better part of valor for the
president to wait until after the election to start dropping the
500-pound bombs on Fallujah as well as raking the streets with
artillery and aircraft firepower.
Bush, who has never been in war, flaunted his commander in chief
status during the campaign. But clearly he did not want to put it to
the test at Fallujah before Election Day.
Had he done so, the president would have had to explain why he took
the United States into Iraq and why he was targeting innocent Iraqis.
From day one, the U.S. government has been hard-pressed to find legal
justification for being in Iraq by force. U.S. military moves were
contrary to the U.N. Charter and the laws that came from the Nuremberg
Tribunal after World War II.
Under the U.N. Charter, armed force by a state against the
sovereignty, territorial integrity and independence of another state
is a violation of international law.
Does anyone believe that hand-picked interim Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad
Allawi, on the CIA payroll for years, is a free soul? Did we really
make war against Iraq out of the goodness of our hearts to ensure free
elections for Iraqis?
The silence of the Democrats is playing into the president's hands. As
was the case with the original October 2002 congressional resolution
authorizing war, Democrats are unsure of themselves and therefore
unwilling to challenge the president.
Once the offensive was under way, many Americans were appalled to
learn that among our first major targets were the hospitals in
Fallujah.
By now everyone in this country must know that every reason Bush gave
to attack Iraq has turned out to be a false. No weapons of mass
destruction were found after two task forces took months and spent
millions to hunt for them.
There was no imminent threat by Iraq against the United States. And
virtually nothing has been found to connect al-Qaida with deposed
Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.
Presidential credibility used to have some meaning in this country.
The president visited the soldiers wounded in Iraq at Walter Reed
Hospital Army Medical Center on Tuesday for the first time since
March. He told reporters that the U.S. soldiers in Fallujah were doing
"the hard work necessary" for a free Iraq to emerge.
And he said the coalition forces were moving into Fallujah "to bring
to justice those who are willing to kill the innocent, those who are
trying to terrorize the Iraqi people and our coalition (and) those who
want to stop democracy."
that's the first 2/3rds - see the complete article here:
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1112-21.htm
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| User: "Ike" |
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| Title: Re: George Bush: Christan War Criminal worse than Hitler |
14 Nov 2004 12:33:39 PM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <occr42@skeptictank.orgREMOVE> wrote in message
news:10pf2r0fpobej25@corp.supernews.com...
Attack on Fallujah Can't Be Justified
by Helen Thomas
Do Americans of good conscience really believe that we are making the
United States more secure by bombing and killing the people of
Fallujah?
That's the justification President Bush and his hawkish circle have
given for their brutal offensive against the Sunni stronghold as they
push ahead for the total military occupation of Iraq.
Why are we killing Iraqis in their own country? And why are our forces
being killed?
Of course it was convenient and the better part of valor for the
president to wait until after the election to start dropping the
500-pound bombs on Fallujah as well as raking the streets with
artillery and aircraft firepower.
Bush, who has never been in war, flaunted his commander in chief
status during the campaign. But clearly he did not want to put it to
the test at Fallujah before Election Day.
Had he done so, the president would have had to explain why he took
the United States into Iraq and why he was targeting innocent Iraqis.
From day one, the U.S. government has been hard-pressed to find legal
justification for being in Iraq by force. U.S. military moves were
contrary to the U.N. Charter and the laws that came from the Nuremberg
Tribunal after World War II.
Under the U.N. Charter, armed force by a state against the
sovereignty, territorial integrity and independence of another state
is a violation of international law.
Does anyone believe that hand-picked interim Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad
Allawi, on the CIA payroll for years, is a free soul? Did we really
make war against Iraq out of the goodness of our hearts to ensure free
elections for Iraqis?
The silence of the Democrats is playing into the president's hands. As
was the case with the original October 2002 congressional resolution
authorizing war, Democrats are unsure of themselves and therefore
unwilling to challenge the president.
Once the offensive was under way, many Americans were appalled to
learn that among our first major targets were the hospitals in
Fallujah.
By now everyone in this country must know that every reason Bush gave
to attack Iraq has turned out to be a false. No weapons of mass
destruction were found after two task forces took months and spent
millions to hunt for them.
There was no imminent threat by Iraq against the United States. And
virtually nothing has been found to connect al-Qaida with deposed
Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.
Presidential credibility used to have some meaning in this country.
The president visited the soldiers wounded in Iraq at Walter Reed
Hospital Army Medical Center on Tuesday for the first time since
March. He told reporters that the U.S. soldiers in Fallujah were doing
"the hard work necessary" for a free Iraq to emerge.
And he said the coalition forces were moving into Fallujah "to bring
to justice those who are willing to kill the innocent, those who are
trying to terrorize the Iraqi people and our coalition (and) those who
want to stop democracy."
that's the first 2/3rds - see the complete article here:
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1112-21.htm
I had to killfile this turkey because the subject lines don't match anything
in the articles he posts. The wrd "Hitler" appears nowhere.
<Plonk!>
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: George Bush: Christan War Criminal worse than Hitler |
14 Nov 2004 06:33:41 PM |
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On 14 Nov 2004, Ike dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
I had to killfile this turkey because the subject lines don't match
anything in the articles he posts. The wrd "Hitler" appears nowhere.
<Plonk!>
Yup. Like Steve Knight said yesterday, enough is enough with the political
*****. It belongs in political groups. I don't go to political groups
to read about atheism. Non-atheism posts should be labeled OT.
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Vic Sagerquist
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chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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| User: "Ike" |
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| Title: Re: George Bush: Christan War Criminal worse than Hitler |
14 Nov 2004 08:29:03 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95A1A8B2B21C4vicman@204.127.204.17...
On 14 Nov 2004, Ike dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
I had to killfile this turkey because the subject lines don't match
anything in the articles he posts. The wrd "Hitler" appears nowhere.
<Plonk!>
Yup. Like Steve Knight said yesterday, enough is enough with the
political
*****. It belongs in political groups. I don't go to political groups
to read about atheism. Non-atheism posts should be labeled OT.
--
Vic Sagerquist
Thank you for your support!
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Freedom of thought entails no "Intellectual Property".
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| User: "Johnny Bravo" |
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| Title: Re: George Bush: Christan War Criminal worse than Hitler |
14 Nov 2004 05:32:34 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:46:11 GMT, occr42@skeptictank.orgREMOVE
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
Attack on Fallujah Can't Be Justified
by Helen Thomas
Do Americans of good conscience really believe that we are making the
United States more secure by bombing and killing the people of
Fallujah?
Terrorists hole up in a city. The interim government of Iraq gives
them a chance to surrender. Terrorists refuse. The interim
government of Iraq lets unarmed civilians flee the city, then decides
to get their own city back from the terrorists when they refuse to
negotiate.
That's the justification President Bush and his hawkish circle have
given for their brutal offensive against the Sunni stronghold as they
push ahead for the total military occupation of Iraq.
The button was pushed by the interim government it's their call
exactly when we went in and how far we'll go. Whine all you like, but
we handed them the reins of power quite a while ago.
Why are we killing Iraqis in their own country?
Not just "we", Iraqis are also with us in Fallujah killing the
terrorists; they are sick and tired of terrorist assholes killing
innocent Iraqis with indescriminate bombings and mortar attacks.
Of course it was convenient and the better part of valor for the
president to wait until after the election to start dropping the
500-pound bombs on Fallujah as well as raking the streets with
artillery and aircraft firepower.
I really hate to break this to you, but that was the interim
government's call to make. They decided to give diplomacy a chance
after calling off the assault back in April, when that utterly failed
they had few options left. Apparently just ignoring the bombings and
mortar attacks on the Iraqi people was considered unacceptable to the
Iraqi interim government.
As for the 500 pound bombs, what's your point? We aren't just
dropping clusters of them at random all over the city. The the first
day of the offensive we dropped less than 10 of our 500 pound bombs.
We have the ability to bomb the entire city into ruble in a couple of
days, we're not using it.
Bush, who has never been in war, flaunted his commander in chief
status during the campaign. But clearly he did not want to put it to
the test at Fallujah before Election Day.
Wasn't his call. Perhaps the interim government of Iraq was
terrified of what would happen to the country if the American military
was led by an Appeaser in Chief instead of a Commander in Chief.
Had he done so, the president would have had to explain why he took
the United States into Iraq and why he was targeting innocent Iraqis.
Feel free to support the the statement that we're targeting
civilians in Iraq.
From day one, the U.S. government has been hard-pressed to find legal
justification for being in Iraq by force. U.S. military moves were
contrary to the U.N. Charter and the laws that came from the Nuremberg
Tribunal after World War II.
Under the U.N. Charter, armed force by a state against the
sovereignty, territorial integrity and independence of another state
is a violation of international law.
Strangely enough, the UN hasn't declared our removal of Saddam
Hussein illegal and demanded that the UN use military force restore
Saddam to his rightful rule in Iraq like they did with the Kuwaiti
government after Saddam removed them from power.
Of course they didn't wany us in Iraq though, they were afraid we'd
find the proof that security council members were taking kickbacks
from Iraq's Oil for Food program.
Does anyone believe that hand-picked interim Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad
Allawi, on the CIA payroll for years, is a free soul? Did we really
make war against Iraq out of the goodness of our hearts to ensure free
elections for Iraqis?
It's starting to look that way. I hear lots of baseless accusations
to the contrary, but never with any proof.
The silence of the Democrats is playing into the president's hands. As
was the case with the original October 2002 congressional resolution
authorizing war, Democrats are unsure of themselves and therefore
unwilling to challenge the president.
Once the offensive was under way, many Americans were appalled to
learn that among our first major targets were the hospitals in
Fallujah.
So if the terrorists are hiding in hospitals we should just ignore
them and let them kill as many people as they want. Apparently those
same Americans aren't appalled when they hear about these same
terrorists moving into a building and killing everyone inside so when
the Americans attack they can point to how many the "Americans"
killed.
By now everyone in this country must know that every reason Bush gave
to attack Iraq has turned out to be a false. No weapons of mass
destruction were found after two task forces took months and spent
millions to hunt for them.
We found undeclared binary Sarin gas shells, proof beyond any
possible doubt that Saddam Hussein had secret chemical weapons
programs. But that's ok, for some reason the people who expected us
to believe that chemical weapons didn't exist because we hadn't found
them flip flopped and expected us to believe at the same time that
Saddam Hussein did exist even though we hadn't found him.
There was no imminent threat by Iraq against the United States. And
virtually nothing has been found to connect al-Qaida with deposed
Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.
I hear that alot, imminent threat. Congress has the power to
declare war, period, full stop. There is nothing in the Constitution
about Congress only declaring war if there is a imminent threat
against the US. There is noting in the Constitution about Congress
being able to give up that power without a Constitutional Ammendment.
You want to use that treaty defense, go ahead. We only had a
ceasefire with Iraq after the 1991 conflict, from 1992 to 2002, Iraq
attacked US aircraft in the no-fly zone more than five THOUSAND times,
an average of 10 times per week. Iraq broke the ceasefire and they
paid the price.
Presidential credibility used to have some meaning in this country.
The president visited the soldiers wounded in Iraq at Walter Reed
Hospital Army Medical Center on Tuesday for the first time since
March. He told reporters that the U.S. soldiers in Fallujah were doing
"the hard work necessary" for a free Iraq to emerge.
And he said the coalition forces were moving into Fallujah "to bring
to justice those who are willing to kill the innocent, those who are
trying to terrorize the Iraqi people and our coalition (and) those who
want to stop democracy."
Both statements are correct.
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"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability
of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft
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| User: "The Last Liberal" |
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| Title: Re: George Bush: Christan War Criminal worse than Hitler |
14 Nov 2004 08:42:01 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 23:32:34 GMT, Johnny Bravo
<baawa-knight@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:46:11 GMT, occr42@skeptictank.orgREMOVE
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
Attack on Fallujah Can't Be Justified
by Helen Thomas
Do Americans of good conscience really believe that we are making the
United States more secure by bombing and killing the people of
Fallujah?
Terrorists hole up in a city. The interim government of Iraq gives
them a chance to surrender. Terrorists refuse. The interim
government of Iraq lets unarmed civilians flee the city, then decides
to get their own city back from the terrorists when they refuse to
negotiate.
Golly; the Italian terrorists did the same thing when Hitler's army
invaded Italy and the interim Mussolini government gave those
terrorists every chance to surrender. Same with French terrorists,
Polish terrorists, Austrian terrorists, Spainish terrorists, British
terrorists, Czechoslovakian terrorists, Russian terrorists, and
American terrorists--- all were given every chance to surrender. We
can all thank god they did not.
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"Terrorism" isn't the enemy: George W Bush is!
http://lastliberal.org
Voting Republican makes baby Jesus cry!
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| User: "The Last Liberal" |
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14 Nov 2004 11:43:26 AM |
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:46:11 GMT, occr42@skeptictank.orgREMOVE
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
Attack on Fallujah Can't Be Justified
by Helen Thomas
Do Americans of good conscience really believe that we are making the
United States more secure by bombing and killing the people of
Fallujah?
No. Only Republicans have such an abominable belief. The USA isn't
merely divided along cultural lines, but also educational and rational
lines. How can anyone believe that butchering children who cower under
their beds by invaders be "liberating" them? Frankly, such an ability
baffles me.
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"Terrorism" isn't the enemy: George W Bush is!
http://lastliberal.org
Voting Republican makes baby Jesus cry!
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