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"david" |
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20 Jan 2005 01:24:40 AM |
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getting along together |
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
Why don't people understand that we are here to learn, not only from
each other, but to learn about our divine'ly inspired origins at our own
paces?
Why do we fight when we are all created by one God and one God only?
Why do we fight over labels assigned by us, to God?
Why don't we simply step back as individuals, and as nations, and
re-examine what our choices have led us to as individuals and as nations
and enter into dialogue with each other as individuals and as nations in
order to learn from each other how to better live together, share
together, worship together and exist together instead of constantly
arguing over petty differences in belief?
Why don't we establish a common problem and work together to eliminate
the problem so we can all get along with life in a better way for all
our relations? I believe the common foe to be money generally, and usury
specific'ly.
I believe God did not create us to kill each other over the actions of a
few evil men selling evil monied beliefs/slavery. Do you? If so, why?
For those who do not believe in God ask: why don't you throw off your
chains of usury debt and talk about ways to enable freedom from usury
debt in order to allow all to grow in peace, love, harmony,
understanding, tolerance and freedom the monied evil that forces each of
us to choose between any two or more of any lesser of two or more evils?
How?
Why not talk about abolishing usury worldwide for a start? Can anyone
come up with a good reason not to?
Why not learn how to share for the good of all our relations and let God
decide if we've been naughty or nice when our time comes?
How? Talk about ways to abolish usury debt with others while talking
about the benefits to be derived from ablishing usury debt?
Regardless of belief or non-belief, both sides win when usury debt is
abolished.
Can anyone give me a good reason not to?
usuryfree.net
reformation.org/moneychangers.html
hope this helps
pass it on
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: TQOTM Nomination in the blatant idiocy catagory |
26 Jan 2005 07:27:14 PM |
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In article <p4u7v05mq7ho53v3vmq576pcddt9m6pe8g@4ax.com>,
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:16:31 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:42:25 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Re: getting along together
Richard Dell wrote:
"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:Xns95E49F17A545D255229@130.133.1.4...
| There's an idea! We aren't pestered by Amish trolls.
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| Enkidu AA# 2165
| Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
| Then he is not omnipotent.
| Is he able, but not willing?
| Then he is malevolent.
| Is he both able and willing?
| Then where does evil come from?
| Is he neither able nor willing?
| Then why call him God?
| Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
Always a conversation stopper with the God botherers. Religion is so much
easier
than Philosophy.
The Epicurus riddle...
/begin
God is God because God allows for the creation of the riddle in order to
allow the evolution of God's creation to occur.
/end
Seconds?
Indeed. Such mind-boggling stupidity deserves to be recognized. <G>
Recorded.
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
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Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: TQOTM Nomination in the blatant idiocy catagory |
24 Jan 2005 02:44:56 AM |
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:16:31 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:42:25 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Re: getting along together
Richard Dell wrote:
"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:Xns95E49F17A545D255229@130.133.1.4...
| There's an idea! We aren't pestered by Amish trolls.
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| Enkidu AA# 2165
| Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
| Then he is not omnipotent.
| Is he able, but not willing?
| Then he is malevolent.
| Is he both able and willing?
| Then where does evil come from?
| Is he neither able nor willing?
| Then why call him God?
| Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
Always a conversation stopper with the God botherers. Religion is so much easier
than Philosophy.
The Epicurus riddle...
/begin
God is God because God allows for the creation of the riddle in order to
allow the evolution of God's creation to occur.
Lol!
If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance...baffle 'em with bullsh*t.
That has got to be one of the funniest, dumbest things I have ever
read.
And I ain't even anti-religion.
Actually pro religion in many cases.
I'm gonna third the thing because it damn well deserves it.
<Do I hear a fourth...a fifth...a sixth?>
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: TQOTM Nomination in the blatant idiocy catagory |
24 Jan 2005 06:47:17 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:44:56 GMT, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:16:31 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:42:25 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Re: getting along together
Richard Dell wrote:
"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:Xns95E49F17A545D255229@130.133.1.4...
| There's an idea! We aren't pestered by Amish trolls.
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| Enkidu AA# 2165
| Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
| Then he is not omnipotent.
| Is he able, but not willing?
| Then he is malevolent.
| Is he both able and willing?
| Then where does evil come from?
| Is he neither able nor willing?
| Then why call him God?
| Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
Always a conversation stopper with the God botherers. Religion is so much easier
than Philosophy.
The Epicurus riddle...
/begin
God is God because God allows for the creation of the riddle in order to
allow the evolution of God's creation to occur.
Lol!
If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance...baffle 'em with bullsh*t.
That has got to be one of the funniest, dumbest things I have ever
read.
And I ain't even anti-religion.
Actually pro religion in many cases.
I'm gonna third the thing because it damn well deserves it.
<Do I hear a fourth...a fifth...a sixth?>
A Sith......
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
22 Jan 2005 10:17:00 AM |
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david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in news:41F203E1.7070000@ak.net:
Richard Dell wrote:
"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:Xns95E49F17A545D255229@130.133.1.4...
| There's an idea! We aren't pestered by Amish trolls.
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| Enkidu AA# 2165
| Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
| Then he is not omnipotent.
| Is he able, but not willing?
| Then he is malevolent.
| Is he both able and willing?
| Then where does evil come from?
| Is he neither able nor willing?
| Then why call him God?
| Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
Always a conversation stopper with the God botherers. Religion is so
much easier than Philosophy.
The Epicurus riddle...
God is God because God allows for the creation of the riddle in order
to allow the evolution of God's creation to occur.
So God is God, because if He wasn't God, He wouldn't be God. Gotcha.
--
Enkidu AA# 2165
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
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| User: "Daniel T." |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
22 Jan 2005 08:32:29 AM |
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david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Richard Dell wrote:
"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote:
| There's an idea! We aren't pestered by Amish trolls.
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| Enkidu AA# 2165
| Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
| Then he is not omnipotent.
| Is he able, but not willing?
| Then he is malevolent.
| Is he both able and willing?
| Then where does evil come from?
| Is he neither able nor willing?
| Then why call him God?
| Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
Always a conversation stopper with the God botherers. Religion is so much
easier
than Philosophy.
The Epicurus riddle...
God is God because God allows for the creation of the riddle in order to
allow the evolution of God's creation to occur.
As a follower of Epicurus' philosophy, it kind of upsets me that the
above quote is attributed to him, yet I have found no source (either
primary or secondary) that demonstrates that he ever said such a thing.
It doesn't even make sense logically since all the religions he knew of
were pantheistic.
What we know from what Epicurus actually said, is that he did believe
that Gods exist, but they were not interested in us.
"""
First of all, believe that a god is an incorruptible and happy being, as
the common opinion of the world dictates; and attach to your theology
nothing which is inconsistent with incorruptibility or with happiness;
and think that a diety is invested with everything which is able to
preserve this happiness, in conjunction with incorruptibility. For there
are gods; for our knowledge of them is distinct. But they are not of the
character which people in general attribute to them; for they do not pay
a respect to them which accords with the ideas that they entertain of
them. And that man is not impious who discards the gods believed in by
the many, but he who applies to the gods the opinions entertained of
them by the many. For the assertions of the many about the gods are not
anticipations, but false opinions. And in consequence of these, the
greatest evils which befall wicked men, and the benefits which are
conferred on the good, are all attributed to the gods; for they connect
all their ideas of them with a comparison of human virtues, and
everything which is different from human qualities, they regard as
incompatible with the divine nature.
"""
-- Epicurus in his "Letter to Menoeceus"
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| User: "doubter" |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
20 Jan 2005 02:48:34 PM |
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For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son... Then a
huge tsunami that killed 160,000 people
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
20 Jan 2005 02:45:55 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:32:29 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Terrence L. wrote:
david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41EF5CB8.9040701@ak.net...
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
Precisely for that reason. Not all people believe what other people believe.
Just because you believe in some ordered, divinely inspired origin of the
universe and all within it does not make it true.
Presuming that you are right and others who believe differently than you are
wrong is the problem.
Your ideology and ones like yours are largely the reasons for the ailments
of humanity you lament.
Can't you see this?
No, I don't see God as the problem. In fact, I see God as the solution
to all the problems in the world. God is peace, love, freedom,
understanding, compassion, patience, etc...
More question begging.
You're telling your audience that the voices in your head are the
solution.
However, I do see lovers of money practicing their religion of greed in
the world as the problem. Bankers limit growth in order to make a profit
from limiting growth. Bankers finance war in order to make a profit from
war. Lovers of money create monied problems in order to make a profit
from monied solutions.
Dishonest redefinition of "religion".
So, instead of blaming God for the problems, blame those that create
money in order to enslave the world to the power of money.
No, moron, you woulsd have to be theist to do that.
We blame idiots like you, not the voices in your head.
Follow the money. Identify those that are vested in problem/war creation
for profit and stop feeding them. Abolish the power of money[usury debt]
and allow everyone to believe what they want to believe for free.
usuryfree.net
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| User: "sAnToLiNa" |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
20 Jan 2005 09:57:41 PM |
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david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41F0155D.6080107@ak.net...
Terrence L. wrote:
david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41EF5CB8.9040701@ak.net...
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
Precisely for that reason. Not all people believe what other people
believe.
Just because you believe in some ordered, divinely inspired origin of
the
universe and all within it does not make it true.
Presuming that you are right and others who believe differently than you
are
wrong is the problem.
Your ideology and ones like yours are largely the reasons for the
ailments
of humanity you lament.
Can't you see this?
No, I don't see God as the problem. In fact, I see God as the solution
to all the problems in the world. God is peace, love, freedom,
understanding, compassion, patience, etc...
....free porn, beer at cost, consequenceless sex... keep going...
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| User: "Terrence L." |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
21 Jan 2005 05:38:51 AM |
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david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41F0155D.6080107@ak.net...
Terrence L. wrote:
david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41EF5CB8.9040701@ak.net...
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
Precisely for that reason. Not all people believe what other people
believe.
Just because you believe in some ordered, divinely inspired origin of
the
universe and all within it does not make it true.
Presuming that you are right and others who believe differently than you
are
wrong is the problem.
Your ideology and ones like yours are largely the reasons for the
ailments
of humanity you lament.
Can't you see this?
No, I don't see God as the problem. In fact, I see God as the solution
to all the problems in the world. God is peace, love, freedom,
understanding, compassion, patience, etc...
Not the Muslim Allah.
[2:89][The curse of Allah is on the unbelievers]
[3:28][Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends]
[3:85][And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be
accepted from him]
[3:118][Do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own
people]
[5.51][Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends
of each other]
[9:14][Fight against the Jews and Christians! Allah shall punish Them, at
your hands]
[9.29][Fight those who do not believe in Allah]
[9:73][Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with
them]
[9.123][Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find
in you hardness]
[19:40][It is We Who will inherit the earth, and all beings thereon: to Us
will they all be returned]
[33.64][Allah has cursed the unbelievers and has prepared for them a burning
fire]
[41:27][We will certainly give the Unbelievers a taste of a severe Penalty]
[47.35][Be not slack so as to cry for peace and you have the upper hand]
[58:5][Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be crumbled to dust, as
were those before them]
[66: 9][O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and
be stern with them]
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| User: "david" |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
22 Jan 2005 01:47:23 AM |
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Terrence L. wrote:
david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41F0155D.6080107@ak.net...
Terrence L. wrote:
david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41EF5CB8.9040701@ak.net...
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
Precisely for that reason. Not all people believe what other people
believe.
Just because you believe in some ordered, divinely inspired origin of
the
universe and all within it does not make it true.
Presuming that you are right and others who believe differently than you
are
wrong is the problem.
Your ideology and ones like yours are largely the reasons for the
ailments
of humanity you lament.
Can't you see this?
No, I don't see God as the problem. In fact, I see God as the solution
to all the problems in the world. God is peace, love, freedom,
understanding, compassion, patience, etc...
Not the Muslim Allah.
[2:89][The curse of Allah is on the unbelievers]
[3:28][Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends]
[3:85][And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be
accepted from him]
[3:118][Do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own
people]
[5.51][Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends
of each other]
[9:14][Fight against the Jews and Christians! Allah shall punish Them, at
your hands]
[9.29][Fight those who do not believe in Allah]
[9:73][Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with
them]
[9.123][Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find
in you hardness]
[19:40][It is We Who will inherit the earth, and all beings thereon: to Us
will they all be returned]
[33.64][Allah has cursed the unbelievers and has prepared for them a burning
fire]
[41:27][We will certainly give the Unbelievers a taste of a severe Penalty]
[47.35][Be not slack so as to cry for peace and you have the upper hand]
[58:5][Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be crumbled to dust, as
were those before them]
[66: 9][O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and
be stern with them]
Ask: who is God/Allah highlighting but those that God deems as evil
people[unbelievers/hypocrites/liars] bent on doing harm to others for
profit?
Thank you for citing the wonderfully easy to understand and appreciate
messages of Truth from Creator/God/Allah contained in the Holy Koran :-)
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| User: "A_W_D" |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
22 Jan 2005 06:51:44 AM |
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david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41F2050B.3000201@ak.net...
Terrence L. wrote:
david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41F0155D.6080107@ak.net...
Terrence L. wrote:
david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41EF5CB8.9040701@ak.net...
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
Precisely for that reason. Not all people believe what other people
believe.
Just because you believe in some ordered, divinely inspired origin of
the
universe and all within it does not make it true.
Presuming that you are right and others who believe differently than
you
are
wrong is the problem.
Your ideology and ones like yours are largely the reasons for the
ailments
of humanity you lament.
Can't you see this?
No, I don't see God as the problem. In fact, I see God as the solution
to all the problems in the world. God is peace, love, freedom,
understanding, compassion, patience, etc...
Not the Muslim Allah.
[2:89][The curse of Allah is on the unbelievers]
[3:28][Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends]
[3:85][And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be
accepted from him]
[3:118][Do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own
people]
[5.51][Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are
friends
of each other]
[9:14][Fight against the Jews and Christians! Allah shall punish Them,
at
your hands]
[9.29][Fight those who do not believe in Allah]
[9:73][Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with
them]
[9.123][Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them
find
in you hardness]
[19:40][It is We Who will inherit the earth, and all beings thereon: to
Us
will they all be returned]
[33.64][Allah has cursed the unbelievers and has prepared for them a
burning
fire]
[41:27][We will certainly give the Unbelievers a taste of a severe
Penalty]
[47.35][Be not slack so as to cry for peace and you have the upper hand]
[58:5][Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be crumbled to
dust, as
were those before them]
[66: 9][O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites,
and
be stern with them]
Ask: who is God/Allah highlighting but those that God deems as evil
people[unbelievers/hypocrites/liars] bent on doing harm to others for
profit?
Thank you for citing the wonderfully easy to understand and appreciate
messages of Truth from Creator/God/Allah contained in the Holy Koran :-)
Hatred and violence are easy to understand. Uncivilized and unsophisticated
people like you stop there.
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| User: "Sid See" |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
20 Jan 2005 06:05:59 PM |
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david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41F0155D.6080107@ak.net...
Terrence L. wrote:
david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41EF5CB8.9040701@ak.net...
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
Precisely for that reason. Not all people believe what other people believe.
Just because you believe in some ordered, divinely inspired origin of the
universe and all within it does not make it true.
Presuming that you are right and others who believe differently than you are
wrong is the problem.
Your ideology and ones like yours are largely the reasons for the ailments
of humanity you lament.
Can't you see this?
No, I don't see God as the problem. In fact, I see God as the solution
to all the problems in the world. God is peace, love, freedom,
understanding, compassion, patience, etc...
Peace, love, freedom, understanding, compassion,
patience, etc... can all be realized without a deity. But
a with deity who's attributed are hate, vengeance,
murder and violence, what chance is there of peace
and brotherhood in the world?
Though religion itself is not a major problem in this
regard, religious power certainly is -- a look at the
history of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism will confirm
this .
Sid See
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| User: "Daniel T." |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
20 Jan 2005 08:51:41 AM |
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david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Somehow I doubt we will ever hear from David again... Damn shame, he
might have learned something.
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Is there? I don't see it. I mean, yes there is infighting, war, death,
disease, poverty, crime and corruption going on, but I don't think it
really has anything to do with people's abstract beliefs and isms.
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| User: "Olrik" |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
20 Jan 2005 11:14:59 PM |
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david wrote:
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
Why don't people understand that we are here to learn, not only from
each other, but to learn about our divine'ly inspired origins at our own
paces?
Why do we fight when we are all created by one God and one God only?
Why do we fight over labels assigned by us, to God?
Why don't we simply step back as individuals, and as nations, and
re-examine what our choices have led us to as individuals and as nations
and enter into dialogue with each other as individuals and as nations in
order to learn from each other how to better live together, share
together, worship together and exist together instead of constantly
arguing over petty differences in belief?
Why don't we establish a common problem and work together to eliminate
the problem so we can all get along with life in a better way for all
our relations? I believe the common foe to be money generally, and usury
specific'ly.
I believe God did not create us to kill each other over the actions of a
few evil men selling evil monied beliefs/slavery. Do you? If so, why?
For those who do not believe in God ask: why don't you throw off your
chains of usury debt and talk about ways to enable freedom from usury
debt in order to allow all to grow in peace, love, harmony,
understanding, tolerance and freedom the monied evil that forces each of
us to choose between any two or more of any lesser of two or more evils?
How?
Why not talk about abolishing usury worldwide for a start? Can anyone
come up with a good reason not to?
Why not learn how to share for the good of all our relations and let God
decide if we've been naughty or nice when our time comes?
How? Talk about ways to abolish usury debt with others while talking
about the benefits to be derived from ablishing usury debt?
Regardless of belief or non-belief, both sides win when usury debt is
abolished.
Can anyone give me a good reason not to?
usuryfree.net
reformation.org/moneychangers.html
hope this helps
pass it on
I see that your problem is money. Instead of ranting about it, do
something. May I suggest this :
http://www.ditech.com/refinance/faq.html
Hope this helps too.
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
20 Jan 2005 09:53:35 AM |
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on 19 Jan 2005 in alt.atheism, david dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
Because of all the conflicting creation myths, and the arrogance of the
believers of these myths.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are the kind of
people you wouldn't want to ***** in the first place?
--George Carlin
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| User: "ev7972" |
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20 Jan 2005 09:03:55 PM |
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to answer all your questions, because this is a fallen world.
david wrote:
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
Why don't people understand that we are here to learn, not only from
each other, but to learn about our divine'ly inspired origins at our own
paces?
Why do we fight when we are all created by one God and one God only?
Why do we fight over labels assigned by us, to God?
Why don't we simply step back as individuals, and as nations, and
re-examine what our choices have led us to as individuals and as nations
and enter into dialogue with each other as individuals and as nations in
order to learn from each other how to better live together, share
together, worship together and exist together instead of constantly
arguing over petty differences in belief?
Why don't we establish a common problem and work together to eliminate
the problem so we can all get along with life in a better way for all
our relations? I believe the common foe to be money generally, and usury
specific'ly.
I believe God did not create us to kill each other over the actions of a
few evil men selling evil monied beliefs/slavery. Do you? If so, why?
For those who do not believe in God ask: why don't you throw off your
chains of usury debt and talk about ways to enable freedom from usury
debt in order to allow all to grow in peace, love, harmony,
understanding, tolerance and freedom the monied evil that forces each of
us to choose between any two or more of any lesser of two or more evils?
How?
Why not talk about abolishing usury worldwide for a start? Can anyone
come up with a good reason not to?
Why not learn how to share for the good of all our relations and let God
decide if we've been naughty or nice when our time comes?
How? Talk about ways to abolish usury debt with others while talking
about the benefits to be derived from ablishing usury debt?
Regardless of belief or non-belief, both sides win when usury debt is
abolished.
Can anyone give me a good reason not to?
usuryfree.net
reformation.org/moneychangers.html
hope this helps
pass it on
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