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"david" |
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20 Jan 2005 07:24:40 AM |
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getting along together |
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
Why don't people understand that we are here to learn, not only from
each other, but to learn about our divine'ly inspired origins at our own
paces?
Why do we fight when we are all created by one God and one God only?
Why do we fight over labels assigned by us, to God?
Why don't we simply step back as individuals, and as nations, and
re-examine what our choices have led us to as individuals and as nations
and enter into dialogue with each other as individuals and as nations in
order to learn from each other how to better live together, share
together, worship together and exist together instead of constantly
arguing over petty differences in belief?
Why don't we establish a common problem and work together to eliminate
the problem so we can all get along with life in a better way for all
our relations? I believe the common foe to be money generally, and usury
specific'ly.
I believe God did not create us to kill each other over the actions of a
few evil men selling evil monied beliefs/slavery. Do you? If so, why?
For those who do not believe in God ask: why don't you throw off your
chains of usury debt and talk about ways to enable freedom from usury
debt in order to allow all to grow in peace, love, harmony,
understanding, tolerance and freedom the monied evil that forces each of
us to choose between any two or more of any lesser of two or more evils?
How?
Why not talk about abolishing usury worldwide for a start? Can anyone
come up with a good reason not to?
Why not learn how to share for the good of all our relations and let God
decide if we've been naughty or nice when our time comes?
How? Talk about ways to abolish usury debt with others while talking
about the benefits to be derived from ablishing usury debt?
Regardless of belief or non-belief, both sides win when usury debt is
abolished.
Can anyone give me a good reason not to?
usuryfree.net
reformation.org/moneychangers.html
hope this helps
pass it on
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| User: "Solomon \You Dirty Mother\ Kozanski" |
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20 Jan 2005 02:38:53 PM |
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"Gerard van Wilgen" <gvanwilgen@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:cso7pp$ldt$1@reader10.wxs.nl...
david wrote:
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
Maybe because we aren't?
Why don't people understand that we are here to learn, not only from
each other, but to learn about our divine'ly inspired origins at our own
paces?
Why do you use an apostrophe in "divinely"?
Why do we fight when we are all created by one God and one God only?
<clipped a lot of other "whys">
I think that if you try a set of other assumptions of how the universe
actually works (one that is based on logic and on observations of the
world around you, instead of on ancient lore), the answers will become
immediately clear.
Gerard van Wilgen
www.majstro.com
and if that don't beat all, the ***** is trying to blame USURY (for
those of us in the 21st century, the word is /BANKING/) for the world's
problems!
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One of the distinguishing characteristics of the religious mind is the
inability to deal with complexity.
--Argument from Authority
Brought to you, courtesy of Kozanski's Morgue & Grill, LLC
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| User: "Solomon \You Dirty Mother\ Kozanski" |
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20 Jan 2005 02:36:26 PM |
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"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41EF5CB8.9040701@ak.net...
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
because there's a lot of people who need killin'
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
allah? god? go ***** yourself pal, nobody's bigger, or better, than RA!
and Ra says anybody that don't worship ra needs killin'
Why don't people understand that we are here to learn, not only from
we're here to learn? idiot, we're here to eat, sleep, ***** and *****. and i
personally like all four of those activities!
each other, but to learn about our divine'ly inspired origins at our own
paces?
like i give two shits about any alleged "divinely inspired" origins
Why do we fight when we are all created by one God and one God only?
and you will be destroyed by one god: RA!
Why do we fight over labels assigned by us, to God?
because my labels are better than your ***** labels, ya heathen son of a
*****!
Why don't we simply step back as individuals, and as nations, and
while my enemies sneak up behind me, i'll simply step back, right into their
fucking ambush.
re-examine what our choices have led us to as individuals and as nations
re-examining my choices will change WHAT, exactly?
and enter into dialogue with each other as individuals and as nations in
enter into a dialogue? with subhumans?! you MUST be joking!
order to learn from each other how to better live together, share
together, worship together and exist together instead of constantly
arguing over petty differences in belief?
***** living together, i say kill everybody else and my people inherit the
planet!
Why don't we establish a common problem and work together to eliminate
the problem so we can all get along with life in a better way for all
our relations? I believe the common foe to be money generally, and usury
specific'ly.
i believe the common foe to be the enemy, and he must be vanquished
accordingly.
I believe God did not create us to kill each other over the actions of a
few evil men selling evil monied beliefs/slavery. Do you? If so, why?
i believe god did not create us (allegedrealgod, not to be confused with
biblegod)
For those who do not believe in God ask: why don't you throw off your
chains of usury debt and talk about ways to enable freedom from usury
this makes no sense. people are atheists because they owe money?!
debt in order to allow all to grow in peace, love, harmony,
understanding, tolerance and freedom the monied evil that forces each of
us to choose between any two or more of any lesser of two or more evils?
if usury is your biggest fucking problem then you're doing pretty *****
good. if you really want to get rid of usury, you might want to try slaying
the usurers.
How?
Why not talk about abolishing usury worldwide for a start? Can anyone
come up with a good reason not to?
sure. unspent money is delayed gratification. if one delays gratification,
economic resources can be shifted to produce products which in turn increase
production. without usury, there would be no incentive for people to delay
their gratification, thus all money would be in the form of consumer cash
instead of investment income, thus requiring government involvement and
direction of the economy, and the appropriate taxation to maintain the
economy (this is generally known as communism).
if you understand anything at all about economics, or money specifically,
you would understand that money is nothing more than a negotiable instrument
that represents REAL LABOR.
this is like those people who say "let's GIVE them a billion dollars, its
only money", not realizing how many people devoted their entire lives to
PRODUCING the wealth that gives that billion dollars REAL VALUE.
Why not learn how to share for the good of all our relations and let God
decide if we've been naughty or nice when our time comes?
let's share, yeah then we can all be poor together!
How? Talk about ways to abolish usury debt with others while talking
about the benefits to be derived from ablishing usury debt?
blow it out your *****. modern society would not be possible without credit.
Regardless of belief or non-belief, both sides win when usury debt is
abolished.
how, pray tell, does the usurer win when usury is abolished? how does the
usuree win when he is unable to borrow money he may need in times of an
emergency? or are you one of these amish bastards who thinks if you dont
have the cash you deserve to die?
Can anyone give me a good reason not to?
usuryfree.net
reformation.org/moneychangers.html
hope this helps
pass it on
go ***** yourself
--
One of the distinguishing characteristics of the religious mind is the
inability to deal with complexity.
--Argument from Authority
Brought to you, courtesy of Kozanski's Morgue & Grill, LLC
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| User: "kate" |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
21 Jan 2005 01:48:28 PM |
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Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
To begin with, it isn't true. We evolved, and that much is obvious to
anyone who seriously considers the issue and studies the facts.
Secondly, there is absolutely no evidence of a creator/god/allah, etc.
Your belief does not constitute evidence of anything.
The negative behaviors you speak of above can be better understood from
the perspective of socio-biology. You might want to pick up a copy of:
"The Lucifer Principle", by Bloom and read it. (Don't worry, the
chapters are short.)
Kate
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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21 Jan 2005 01:55:12 PM |
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On 21 Jan 2005 05:48:28 -0800, "kate" <kcourtesan@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
To begin with, it isn't true. We evolved, and that much is obvious to
anyone who seriously considers the issue and studies the facts.
Secondly, there is absolutely no evidence of a creator/god/allah, etc.
Your belief does not constitute evidence of anything.
The negative behaviors you speak of above can be better understood from
the perspective of socio-biology. You might want to pick up a copy of:
"The Lucifer Principle", by Bloom and read it. (Don't worry, the
chapters are short.)
But does it use long words?
Kate
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| User: "stoney" |
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22 Jan 2005 02:57:03 AM |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:55:12 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 21 Jan 2005 05:48:28 -0800, "kate" <kcourtesan@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
To begin with, it isn't true. We evolved, and that much is obvious to
anyone who seriously considers the issue and studies the facts.
Secondly, there is absolutely no evidence of a creator/god/allah, etc.
Your belief does not constitute evidence of anything.
The negative behaviors you speak of above can be better understood from
the perspective of socio-biology. You might want to pick up a copy of:
"The Lucifer Principle", by Bloom and read it. (Don't worry, the
chapters are short.)
But does it use long words?
Yes, most are more than three letters and most sentences are more than
three words long.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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22 Jan 2005 03:24:53 AM |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:57:03 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:55:12 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 21 Jan 2005 05:48:28 -0800, "kate" <kcourtesan@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
To begin with, it isn't true. We evolved, and that much is obvious to
anyone who seriously considers the issue and studies the facts.
Secondly, there is absolutely no evidence of a creator/god/allah, etc.
Your belief does not constitute evidence of anything.
The negative behaviors you speak of above can be better understood from
the perspective of socio-biology. You might want to pick up a copy of:
"The Lucifer Principle", by Bloom and read it. (Don't worry, the
chapters are short.)
But does it use long words?
Yes, most are more than three letters and most sentences are more than
three words long.
Then he won't understand it.
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| User: "stoney" |
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23 Jan 2005 01:38:47 AM |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:24:53 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:57:03 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:55:12 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 21 Jan 2005 05:48:28 -0800, "kate" <kcourtesan@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
To begin with, it isn't true. We evolved, and that much is obvious to
anyone who seriously considers the issue and studies the facts.
Secondly, there is absolutely no evidence of a creator/god/allah, etc.
Your belief does not constitute evidence of anything.
The negative behaviors you speak of above can be better understood from
the perspective of socio-biology. You might want to pick up a copy of:
"The Lucifer Principle", by Bloom and read it. (Don't worry, the
chapters are short.)
But does it use long words?
Yes, most are more than three letters and most sentences are more than
three words long.
Then he won't understand it.
I know.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "doubter" |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
20 Jan 2005 02:51:44 PM |
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Human beings are an accidental by product of nature which evolved
relativly recently on an infinitesmal speck of dust we call earth,
lost somewhere in a mindless universe, which are doomed to perish
individually and collectively in a short amount of time. So untill
everyone understands this we will most likely fight forever...
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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21 Jan 2005 02:42:34 AM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, david poured fuel on the fire with
the following:
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
?????
How are disease and poverty related to conflicting beliefs?
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
Because there is nothing to be seen. Divine creation is a fallacy.
http://tinyurl.com/qg1e
....
Why do we fight when we are all created by one God and one God only?
Idealistic Fallacy.
....
I believe the common foe to be money generally, and usury
specific'ly.
The "common foe" is adherence to fallacious notions.
....
Regards,
Josef
I therefore claim to show not how men think in myths, but how myths
operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact.
-- Claude Levi-Strauss
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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20 Jan 2005 11:43:25 AM |
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:24:40 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Fear and hatred of those we dont understand.
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
Because the only way you will ever "know" anything about a god is
through the devious lying apes known as men.
Apart from the lies of men we never would "know" anything of gods.
Hope that helps.
Mark.
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| User: "" |
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21 Jan 2005 12:52:47 AM |
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:24:40 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
Why don't people understand that we are here to learn, not only from
each other, but to learn about our divine'ly inspired origins at our own
paces?
Why do we fight when we are all created by one God and one God only?
Why do we fight over labels assigned by us, to God?
Why don't we simply step back as individuals, and as nations, and
re-examine what our choices have led us to as individuals and as nations
and enter into dialogue with each other as individuals and as nations in
order to learn from each other how to better live together, share
together, worship together and exist together instead of constantly
arguing over petty differences in belief?
Why don't we establish a common problem and work together to eliminate
the problem so we can all get along with life in a better way for all
our relations? I believe the common foe to be money generally, and usury
specific'ly.
I believe God did not create us to kill each other over the actions of a
few evil men selling evil monied beliefs/slavery. Do you? If so, why?
For those who do not believe in God ask: why don't you throw off your
chains of usury debt and talk about ways to enable freedom from usury
debt in order to allow all to grow in peace, love, harmony,
understanding, tolerance and freedom the monied evil that forces each of
us to choose between any two or more of any lesser of two or more evils?
How?
Why not talk about abolishing usury worldwide for a start? Can anyone
come up with a good reason not to?
Why not learn how to share for the good of all our relations and let God
decide if we've been naughty or nice when our time comes?
How? Talk about ways to abolish usury debt with others while talking
about the benefits to be derived from ablishing usury debt?
Regardless of belief or non-belief, both sides win when usury debt is
abolished.
Can anyone give me a good reason not to?
usuryfree.net
reformation.org/moneychangers.html
hope this helps
pass it on
No, stop it.
Because it's YOUR peace, YOUR freedom, YOUR interpretation of how we
shall live and who to worship.
A free country embraces, no, must have, and follow, the magnificent
First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. It keeps us
out of each others personal business vis-a-vis religion or lack
thereof, therefore guaranteeing freedom and free practice thereof.
The government has enough business common to all of our prosperity and
world economic position to keep it busy enough than to have to run a
church on top of all that. If your religion needs the government's
help I pity you, as you haven't found the peace promised by the
various faiths, rather you want to force yours on us via the
government, which is why we have the First Amendment protecting us
from people like you. Ad Infinitum.
You're looped.
drift
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| User: "stoney" |
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21 Jan 2005 08:53:46 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:24:40 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
***** off dingleberry and take your drooling superstition with you.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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20 Jan 2005 08:31:59 AM |
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:24:40 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Because religious loonies like you push your -ism where it is
irrelevant.
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
Why can't you have the intelligence to keep your stupidity to
yourself?
What kind of moron presumes his deity is real in an atheist newsgroup?
Why don't people understand that we are here to learn, not only from
each other, but to learn about our divine'ly inspired origins at our own
paces?
What "divinely inspired origins", moron?
Why do we fight when we are all created by one God and one God only?
Why do you ask such ridiculous questions in an atheist newsgroup?
Why do we fight over labels assigned by us, to God?
Why do you imagine the voices in your head assigns labels?
Why don't we simply step back as individuals, and as nations, and
re-examine what our choices have led us to as individuals and as nations
and enter into dialogue with each other as individuals and as nations in
order to learn from each other how to better live together, share
together, worship together and exist together instead of constantly
arguing over petty differences in belief?
Why do you pretend you're fellating Jesus when you masturbate?
Why don't we establish a common problem and work together to eliminate
the problem so we can all get along with life in a better way for all
our relations? I believe the common foe to be money generally, and usury
specific'ly.
Why are you so stupid?
I believe God did not create us to kill each other over the actions of a
few evil men selling evil monied beliefs/slavery. Do you? If so, why?
Why do you imagine the voices in your head created anything?
For those who do not believe in God ask: why don't you throw off your
chains of usury debt and talk about ways to enable freedom from usury
debt in order to allow all to grow in peace, love, harmony,
Why don't you get a brain and start using it?
understanding, tolerance and freedom the monied evil that forces each of
us to choose between any two or more of any lesser of two or more evils?
Why are you so stupid?
How?
How the heck can a retard like you operate a computer?
Why not talk about abolishing usury worldwide for a start? Can anyone
come up with a good reason not to?
Why not admit that the only reason you're whining about usury is that
you have reached the limit on too many credit cards?
Why not learn how to share for the good of all our relations and let God
decide if we've been naughty or nice when our time comes?
Why don't you learn to think?
How? Talk about ways to abolish usury debt with others while talking
about the benefits to be derived from ablishing usury debt?
Why don't you cancel all your credit cards and come to an arrangement
with the people you owe all that money to?
Regardless of belief or non-belief, both sides win when usury debt is
abolished.
Why are you whining about this?
Can anyone give me a good reason not to?
Why do you imagine anybody gives a *****?
usuryfree.net
reformation.org/moneychangers.html
hope this helps
Get a brain, moron.
pass it on
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| User: "MarkA" |
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20 Jan 2005 07:18:31 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:24:40 -0900, david wrote:
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
The basic problem is that humans can only feel "connected" to about 50-70
people, according to psychologists. Once a group gets larger than that,
it starts to splinter into smaller sub-groups, that then begin to compete
with each other. An "us versus them" mentality takes over. Just look at
the history of the Protestant church. With no strong central command, as
the Catholics have, it has splintered into dozens of different sects, and
will continue to do so. People are just not hard-wired to cooperate on a
global scale. That is why governments, as imperfect as they are, are
necessary to get people to cooperate on big things.
Regardless of belief or non-belief, both sides win when usury debt is
abolished.
Can anyone give me a good reason not to?
Money has value. The use of someone else's money is particularly
valuable. It is reasonable to be paid for providing something of value.
If you don't like usury, don't borrow anyone else's money.
usuryfree.net
reformation.org/moneychangers.html
hope this helps
pass it on
Thanks, but no thanks.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "" |
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20 Jan 2005 10:12:32 PM |
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MarkA wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:24:40 -0900, david wrote:
"Why is there so much infighting, war,death,'disease,
poverty, crime, corruption going on in the world
between
beliefs and isms?"
snip
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
If it's there and you can't make it go away, what do you do?
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| User: "Peter" |
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20 Jan 2005 08:12:59 AM |
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RETARD, ILL DROP YOU INTO AFGHANISTAN AND YOU CAN ASK YOUR LOVER OSAMA BIN
LADEN
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PETER
If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.
"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41EF5CB8.9040701@ak.net...
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
Why don't people understand that we are here to learn, not only from each
other, but to learn about our divine'ly inspired origins at our own paces?
Why do we fight when we are all created by one God and one God only?
Why do we fight over labels assigned by us, to God?
Why don't we simply step back as individuals, and as nations, and
re-examine what our choices have led us to as individuals and as nations
and enter into dialogue with each other as individuals and as nations in
order to learn from each other how to better live together, share
together, worship together and exist together instead of constantly
arguing over petty differences in belief?
Why don't we establish a common problem and work together to eliminate the
problem so we can all get along with life in a better way for all our
relations? I believe the common foe to be money generally, and usury
specific'ly.
I believe God did not create us to kill each other over the actions of a
few evil men selling evil monied beliefs/slavery. Do you? If so, why?
For those who do not believe in God ask: why don't you throw off your
chains of usury debt and talk about ways to enable freedom from usury debt
in order to allow all to grow in peace, love, harmony, understanding,
tolerance and freedom the monied evil that forces each of us to choose
between any two or more of any lesser of two or more evils?
How?
Why not talk about abolishing usury worldwide for a start? Can anyone come
up with a good reason not to?
Why not learn how to share for the good of all our relations and let God
decide if we've been naughty or nice when our time comes?
How? Talk about ways to abolish usury debt with others while talking about
the benefits to be derived from ablishing usury debt?
Regardless of belief or non-belief, both sides win when usury debt is
abolished.
Can anyone give me a good reason not to?
usuryfree.net
reformation.org/moneychangers.html
hope this helps
pass it on
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| User: "sAnToLiNa" |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
21 Jan 2005 03:53:21 AM |
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david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41EF5CB8.9040701@ak.net...
For those who do not believe in God ask: why don't you throw off your
chains of usury debt
As a result of this posting I have decided to accept Jesus Christ as my
personal Lord and Saviour.
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| User: "Terrence L." |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
20 Jan 2005 11:18:44 AM |
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david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41EF5CB8.9040701@ak.net...
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
Precisely for that reason. Not all people believe what other people believe.
Just because you believe in some ordered, divinely inspired origin of the
universe and all within it does not make it true.
Presuming that you are right and others who believe differently than you are
wrong is the problem.
Your ideology and ones like yours are largely the reasons for the ailments
of humanity you lament.
Can't you see this?
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| User: "danti" |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
20 Jan 2005 02:47:43 PM |
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"Terrence L." <TL_nhspycj@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:359icoF4khpjrU1@uni-berlin.de...
david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message
news:41EF5CB8.9040701@ak.net...
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty,
crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this
divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
Precisely for that reason. Not all people believe what other people
believe.
Just because you believe in some ordered, divinely inspired origin
of the
universe and all within it does not make it true.
Presuming that you are right and others who believe differently than
you are
wrong is the problem.
Your ideology and ones like yours are largely the reasons for the
ailments
of humanity you lament.
Can't you see this?
i am not religious but yes i can see the point of the
poster....haveing read the whole and not only the part shown
above...its not religions or atheism or buddhism or any other ism that
cause problems.....and so i did some editing of my own...i dropped the
word god and was left with the below.......can you disagree now?? if
not, why not? are not these the goals of compassionate
atheists/agnostics as well? where is the wrong that you mention??
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this ordered
universe
Why don't people understand that we are here to learn, not only from
each other, but to learn about our divine'ly inspired origins at our
own
paces?
Why do we fight when we are all created by one
Why do we fight over labels assigned by us,
Why don't we simply step back as individuals, and as nations, and
re-examine what our choices have led us to as individuals and as
nations
and enter into dialogue with each other as individuals and as nations
in
order to learn from each other how to better live together, share
together, worship together and exist together instead of constantly
arguing over petty differences in belief?
Why don't we establish a common problem and work together to eliminate
the problem so we can all get along with life in a better way for all
our relations? I believe the common foe to be money generally, and
usury
specific'ly.
why don't you throw off your
chains of usury debt and talk about ways to enable freedom from usury
debt in order to allow all to grow in peace, love, harmony,
understanding, tolerance and freedom the monied evil that forces each
of
us to choose between any two or more of any lesser of two or more
evils?
How?
Why not talk about abolishing usury worldwide for a start? Can anyone
come up with a good reason not to?
Why not learn how to share for the good of all our relations
How? Talk about ways to abolish usury debt with others while talking
about the benefits to be derived from ablishing usury debt?
Regardless of belief or non-belief, both sides win when usury debt is
abolished.
Can anyone give me a good reason not to?
pass it on
a cry in the wilderness............
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| User: "Daniel T." |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
20 Jan 2005 03:12:57 PM |
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"danti" <danti@att.netnospam> wrote:
i am not religious but yes i can see the point of the
poster....haveing read the whole and not only the part shown
above...its not religions or atheism or buddhism or any other ism that
cause problems.....and so i did some editing of my own...i dropped the
word god and was left with the below.......can you disagree now?? if
not, why not? are not these the goals of compassionate
atheists/agnostics as well? where is the wrong that you mention??
Yes, I read the whole as well. How he went from "-isms shouldn't fight
among themselves" to "usury is bad" I have no idea. Frankly, if one
doesn't like usury, then don't participate in it, don't borrow and don't
loan. Ranting about "why can't we all get along" doesn't have anything
to do with usury.
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| User: "Terrence L." |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
20 Jan 2005 06:22:51 PM |
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danti <danti@att.netnospam> wrote in message
news:jwPHd.6253$8u5.3578@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Terrence L." <TL_nhspycj@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:359icoF4khpjrU1@uni-berlin.de...
david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message
news:41EF5CB8.9040701@ak.net...
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty,
crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this
divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
Precisely for that reason. Not all people believe what other people
believe.
Just because you believe in some ordered, divinely inspired origin
of the
universe and all within it does not make it true.
Presuming that you are right and others who believe differently than
you are
wrong is the problem.
Your ideology and ones like yours are largely the reasons for the
ailments
of humanity you lament.
Can't you see this?
i am not religious but yes i can see the point of the
poster....haveing read the whole and not only the part shown
above...its not religions or atheism or buddhism or any other ism that
cause problems.....and so i did some editing of my own...i dropped the
word god and was left with the below.......can you disagree now?? if
not, why not? are not these the goals of compassionate
atheists/agnostics as well? where is the wrong that you mention??
90% of the world conflicts involve Muslims.
That is way more of a problem than any usury.
People can choose whether to borrow money or not.
Getting slaughtered indiscriminately by suicidal religious maniacs involves
no choice.
Holy War (Jihad) is the problem and is rooted in religious dogma, not debt.
The financing of Muslim terrorism is part and parcel.
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| User: "david" |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
20 Jan 2005 08:32:29 PM |
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Terrence L. wrote:
david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41EF5CB8.9040701@ak.net...
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
Precisely for that reason. Not all people believe what other people believe.
Just because you believe in some ordered, divinely inspired origin of the
universe and all within it does not make it true.
Presuming that you are right and others who believe differently than you are
wrong is the problem.
Your ideology and ones like yours are largely the reasons for the ailments
of humanity you lament.
Can't you see this?
No, I don't see God as the problem. In fact, I see God as the solution
to all the problems in the world. God is peace, love, freedom,
understanding, compassion, patience, etc...
However, I do see lovers of money practicing their religion of greed in
the world as the problem. Bankers limit growth in order to make a profit
from limiting growth. Bankers finance war in order to make a profit from
war. Lovers of money create monied problems in order to make a profit
from monied solutions.
So, instead of blaming God for the problems, blame those that create
money in order to enslave the world to the power of money.
Follow the money. Identify those that are vested in problem/war creation
for profit and stop feeding them. Abolish the power of money[usury debt]
and allow everyone to believe what they want to believe for free.
usuryfree.net
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| User: "Daniel T." |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
20 Jan 2005 09:29:16 PM |
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David <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Terrence L. wrote:
david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41EF5CB8.9040701@ak.net...
Why is there so much infighting, war, death, disease, poverty, crime,
corruption going on in the world between beliefs and isms?
Why can't people see that we are all part and parcel of this divine'ly
created and ordered universe created by Creator/God/Allah?
Precisely for that reason. Not all people believe what other people believe.
Just because you believe in some ordered, divinely inspired origin of the
universe and all within it does not make it true.
Presuming that you are right and others who believe differently than you are
wrong is the problem.
Your ideology and ones like yours are largely the reasons for the ailments
of humanity you lament.
Can't you see this?
No, I don't see God as the problem. In fact, I see God as the solution
to all the problems in the world. God is peace, love, freedom,
understanding, compassion, patience, etc...
David, he never said that God was the problem, he said that your
stedfast belief in God is the problem.
However, I do see lovers of money practicing their religion of greed in
the world as the problem. Bankers limit growth in order to make a profit
from limiting growth. Bankers finance war in order to make a profit from
war. Lovers of money create monied problems in order to make a profit
from monied solutions.
If you don't like it, don't participate, or at least limit your
participation. For example, you could become Amish.
So, instead of blaming God for the problems, blame those that create
money in order to enslave the world to the power of money.
Instead of blaming those that create little pieces of paper for your
problems, how about looking inside. That is where the true solution lies.
Follow the money. Identify those that are vested in problem/war creation
for profit and stop feeding them. Abolish the power of money[usury debt]
and allow everyone to believe what they want to believe for free.
You, are one of the people vested in the problem/war creation. That is,
if you use oil.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
20 Jan 2005 11:38:04 PM |
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"Daniel T." <postmaster@earthlink.net> wrote in news:postmaster-
EC9F3E.16291520012005@news1.east.earthlink.net:
If you don't like it, don't participate, or at least limit your
participation. For example, you could become Amish.
There's an idea! We aren't pestered by Amish trolls.
--
Enkidu AA# 2165
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
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| User: "Richard Dell" |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
21 Jan 2005 10:33:41 AM |
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"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:Xns95E49F17A545D255229@130.133.1.4...
| There's an idea! We aren't pestered by Amish trolls.
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| Enkidu AA# 2165
| Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
| Then he is not omnipotent.
| Is he able, but not willing?
| Then he is malevolent.
| Is he both able and willing?
| Then where does evil come from?
| Is he neither able nor willing?
| Then why call him God?
| Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
Always a conversation stopper with the God botherers. Religion is so much easier
than Philosophy.
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| User: "david" |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
22 Jan 2005 07:42:25 AM |
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Richard Dell wrote:
"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:Xns95E49F17A545D255229@130.133.1.4...
| There's an idea! We aren't pestered by Amish trolls.
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| Enkidu AA# 2165
| Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
| Then he is not omnipotent.
| Is he able, but not willing?
| Then he is malevolent.
| Is he both able and willing?
| Then where does evil come from?
| Is he neither able nor willing?
| Then why call him God?
| Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
Always a conversation stopper with the God botherers. Religion is so much easier
than Philosophy.
The Epicurus riddle...
God is God because God allows for the creation of the riddle in order to
allow the evolution of God's creation to occur.
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| User: "Richard Dell" |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
22 Jan 2005 01:17:59 PM |
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"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41F203E1.7070000@ak.net...
| The Epicurus riddle...
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| God is God because God allows for the creation of the riddle in order to
| allow the evolution of God's creation to occur.
That is the bootstrap argument which answers nothing and does not hold. Not only
that but you commit the absurdity of trying to use logic to claim that God is
above it.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: getting along together |
23 Jan 2005 07:15:31 PM |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:42:25 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Richard Dell wrote:
"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:Xns95E49F17A545D255229@130.133.1.4...
| There's an idea! We aren't pestered by Amish trolls.
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| Enkidu AA# 2165
| Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
| Then he is not omnipotent.
| Is he able, but not willing?
| Then he is malevolent.
| Is he both able and willing?
| Then where does evil come from?
| Is he neither able nor willing?
| Then why call him God?
| Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
Always a conversation stopper with the God botherers. Religion is so much easier
than Philosophy.
The Epicurus riddle...
God is God because God allows for the creation of the riddle in order to
allow the evolution of God's creation to occur.
David;
Who's powering your iron lung, and why?
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: TQOTM Nomination in the blatant idiocy catagory |
23 Jan 2005 07:16:31 PM |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:42:25 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Re: getting along together
Richard Dell wrote:
"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:Xns95E49F17A545D255229@130.133.1.4...
| There's an idea! We aren't pestered by Amish trolls.
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| Enkidu AA# 2165
| Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
| Then he is not omnipotent.
| Is he able, but not willing?
| Then he is malevolent.
| Is he both able and willing?
| Then where does evil come from?
| Is he neither able nor willing?
| Then why call him God?
| Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
Always a conversation stopper with the God botherers. Religion is so much easier
than Philosophy.
The Epicurus riddle...
/begin
God is God because God allows for the creation of the riddle in order to
allow the evolution of God's creation to occur.
/end
Seconds?
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: TQOTM Nomination in the blatant idiocy catagory |
23 Jan 2005 07:15:56 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:16:31 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:42:25 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Re: getting along together
Richard Dell wrote:
"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:Xns95E49F17A545D255229@130.133.1.4...
| There's an idea! We aren't pestered by Amish trolls.
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| Enkidu AA# 2165
| Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
| Then he is not omnipotent.
| Is he able, but not willing?
| Then he is malevolent.
| Is he both able and willing?
| Then where does evil come from?
| Is he neither able nor willing?
| Then why call him God?
| Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
Always a conversation stopper with the God botherers. Religion is so much easier
than Philosophy.
The Epicurus riddle...
/begin
God is God because God allows for the creation of the riddle in order to
allow the evolution of God's creation to occur.
/end
Seconds?
Indeed. Such mind-boggling stupidity deserves to be recognized. <G>
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