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"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" |
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26 Oct 2003 01:19:48 PM |
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GHW Bush on Intimigate |
"[George Herbert Walker] Bush remained quiet during most of the
event, which lasted just over an hour, and interrupted the discussion
only once after an audience member asked about the quality of
American intelligence.
'You’ve got to protect your sources,' the former president said.
'It’s tough to recruit sources to spy on their own nations if they’re
afraid.'
The comments were an apparent reference to criticism that followed
the recent leak of the name of CIA operative Valerie Plame by a
source within the current Bush administration."
http://tinyurl.com/sfmy
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"George W. Bush lives at the intersection of faith
and inexperience. This is not a reassuring address,
especially in a time of trouble."
--Joe Klein
Tim
"Fair and Balanced"
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| User: "Charles R Ward" |
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| Title: Re: GHW Bush on Intimigate |
30 Oct 2003 10:18:21 PM |
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Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in message news:<Xns94236F17DFDC2timsomecallme@216.168.3.44>...
If May wants to get to the bottom of this, he should tell us who he
talked to at the cocktail party. I'd like to know and the "Justice"
department should be interested as well. How many steps back is it to
Rove, Libby, and/or Abrahms?
Hear's the Onion article I mentioned lasat night.
http://www.theonion.com/3941/news1.html
CIA-Leak Scapegoat Still At Large
WASHINGTON, DC-- A White House
administration official who can be blamed
for leaking the identity of CIA officer
Valerie Plame to the press remains at
large, White House officials announced
Monday.
Now lets see if I'm being deceptive with this post?
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"If the administration said the Earth was flat, Fox News would say
that the Earth was flat, and anyone who said otherwise hates America.
The rest of the media would say 'Shape of the Earth-- Views Differ.'
And quote one Democrat saying that the Earth was round."
--Paul Krugman
Tim
"Fair and Balanced"
Charles R Ward
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| User: "Bill Bonde the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack" |
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| Title: Re: GHW Bush on Intimigate |
29 Oct 2003 01:14:16 PM |
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Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced wrote:
On 29 Oct 2003, "Kurt Lochner" <kurt_lochner@hotmail.com> posted
this:
So all the other people who were talking about Plame being CIA
[..]
Back in 1994, who published an opinion stating Valerie Plame was
CIA?
The CIA suspects that Aldrich Aimes may have given her name to
Russian intelligence. They aren't sure because they aren't sure Aimes
knew about her, and there has been no evidence that her contacts have
been compromised.
The point is that she was brought back to the US in 1994 because they
thought she was outed then. This means the claims that she was in danger
from this outing have to come from her contacts before 1994. Who is
that? Are they even relevant to today?
If Aimes did gever her name to the Russians, there
is no reason to believe that her contacts in other countries were
exposed. In any event, the only thing we can be sure of is that
everyone learned that she was an agent when Novak published it.
Not true. It took people like you who spent the next five months making
sure this was front page news all over the world. I think *you* are the
first or one of the first people to post about this topic to usenet.
Novak is a reporter who publishes inside the beltway tidbits (He has
said that one new scoop is always included in every story he publishes)
and isn't read by everyone on the planet, almost certainly not by
whomever you think would threaten Plame. (Why anyone would threaten
Plame, now that she is in the US, hasn't been made clear anyway)
Of course Bonde know this. I've pointed it out to him a couple of
times already. He tries to keep his claim general, without mentioning
Aimes,
Of course I've mentioned Ames numerous times. You claim to have me
killfiled, which suggests that you don't read what I write, therefore
you can't know how I've made this case.
because he's trying to mislead people into thinking Plame was
outed in the papers back in 1994. He's being dishonest. That's why
he's in my killfile.
I've provided cites proving that I'm correct including from the New York
Times. They seem to just get ignored.
One of Bonde's other points is that neo-con pundit Cliff May said
that "everyone" inside the beltway knew she was an agent. He says he
knows this because he'd heard about her identity at a cocktail party.
What Bonde fails to understand is that Wilson was a fairly low-
profile guy. He and his wife would not have been the subject of
widespread Washington gossip until after he wrote his op-ed about the
phoney niger uranium story.
Of course the New York Times says that Plame was moving up the ladder in
official Washington and her status as CIA got out a bit in those inside
the beltway circles.
If Plame's CIA employment was being
gossiped about, it was most likely because whoever leaked the story
to Novak was also telling every freindly face he/she knew about it as
well.
That's your unsubstantiated claim. Fact is, it was a natural question
for Novak (and anyone) to ask why Wilson, with no known contacts to CIA,
would be chosen out of the blue by CIA for such an important mission,
especially given his hatred for the Bush administration.
If May wants to get to the bottom of this, he should tell us who he
talked to at the cocktail party. I'd like to know and the "Justice"
department should be interested as well. How many steps back is it to
Rove, Libby, and/or Abrahms?
Your comments are just made up. There is no evidence that you have that
those people told May or that the information went back only to the
administration, or even to the administration at all.
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| User: "Kurt Lochner" |
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| Title: Re: GHW Bush on Intimigate |
29 Oct 2003 01:48:34 PM |
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Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced wrote:
On 29 Oct 2003, Kurt Lochner posted this:
So all the other people who were talking about Plame being CIA
[..]
Back in 1994, who published an opinion stating Valerie Plame was
CIA?
The CIA suspects that Aldrich Aimes may have given her name to
Russian intelligence. They aren't sure because they aren't sure Aimes
knew about her, and there has been no evidence that her contacts have
been compromised. If Aimes did gever her name to the Russians, there
is no reason to believe that her contacts in other countries were
exposed. In any event, the only thing we can be sure of is that
everyone learned that she was an agent when Novak published it.
True story.. I wonder how Blondie keeps thinking otherwise?
Of course Bonde know this. I've pointed it out to him a couple of
times already. He tries to keep his claim general, without mentioning
Aimes, because he's trying to mislead people into thinking Plame was
outed in the papers back in 1994. He's being dishonest. That's why
he's in my killfile.
Well, he's kinda fun to toy with, but I can certainly understand..
One of Bonde's other points is that neo-con pundit Cliff May said
that "everyone" inside the beltway knew she was an agent. He says he
knows this because he'd heard about her identity at a cocktail party.
I kept asking Blondie for corroborative articles to confirm this,
but he just ran away from the thread when confronted with that..
What Bonde fails to understand is that Wilson was a fairly low-
profile guy. He and his wife would not have been the subject of
widespread Washington gossip until after he wrote his op-ed about the
phoney niger uranium story. If Plame's CIA employment was being
gossiped about, it was most likely because whoever leaked the story
to Novak was also telling every freindly face he/she knew about it as
well.
The story was 'shopped around' quite a bit, wasn't it?
If May wants to get to the bottom of this, he should tell us who he
talked to at the cocktail party. I'd like to know and the "Justice"
department should be interested as well. How many steps back is it to
Rove, Libby, and/or Abrahms?
Oh, about three steps, to borrow a tired phrase from an old song..
--You know which, right?
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| User: "Bill Bonde the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack" |
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| Title: Re: GHW Bush on Intimigate |
01 Nov 2003 04:55:08 PM |
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Kurt Lochner wrote:
Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced wrote:
On 29 Oct 2003, Kurt Lochner posted this:
So all the other people who were talking about Plame being CIA
[..]
Back in 1994, who published an opinion stating Valerie Plame was
CIA?
The CIA suspects that Aldrich Aimes may have given her name to
Russian intelligence. They aren't sure because they aren't sure Aimes
knew about her, and there has been no evidence that her contacts have
been compromised. If Aimes did gever her name to the Russians, there
is no reason to believe that her contacts in other countries were
exposed. In any event, the only thing we can be sure of is that
everyone learned that she was an agent when Novak published it.
True story.. I wonder how Blondie keeps thinking otherwise?
Of course Bonde know this. I've pointed it out to him a couple of
times already. He tries to keep his claim general, without mentioning
Aimes, because he's trying to mislead people into thinking Plame was
outed in the papers back in 1994. He's being dishonest. That's why
he's in my killfile.
Well, he's kinda fun to toy with, but I can certainly understand..
Everyone didn't learn about it when Novak published it. I learned about
it from people like Patriotboy who keep reouting Plame endlessly for
five months. And the point about Ames outing of Plame is that Plame was
brought back to the US then and no longer used in dangerous out of
country type missions (if she ever really was) therefore she wasn't put
in danger by Novak. Look at all the former CIA who prattle on on TV like
it's no big deal.
One of Bonde's other points is that neo-con pundit Cliff May said
that "everyone" inside the beltway knew she was an agent. He says he
knows this because he'd heard about her identity at a cocktail party.
I kept asking Blondie for corroborative articles to confirm this,
but he just ran away from the thread when confronted with that..
Of course you are lying as you always are. I gave you Novak and May's
articles as well as the article in the New York Times. Your response is
always to snip and cut the replied material and lie.
What Bonde fails to understand is that Wilson was a fairly low-
profile guy. He and his wife would not have been the subject of
widespread Washington gossip until after he wrote his op-ed about the
phoney niger uranium story. If Plame's CIA employment was being
gossiped about, it was most likely because whoever leaked the story
to Novak was also telling every freindly face he/she knew about it as
well.
The story was 'shopped around' quite a bit, wasn't it?
NYTimes says that it got out a bit as she moved up the power ladder in
official Washington.
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| User: "Kurt Lochner" |
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| Title: Re: GHW Bush on Intimigate |
02 Nov 2003 02:11:55 AM |
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Bot Bonde ("I'm not having trouble with numbers.") <stderr@mail.com> wrote:
Kurt Lochner wrote:
Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced wrote:
On 29 Oct 2003, Kurt Lochner posted this:
So all the other people who were talking about Plame being CIA
[..]
Back in 1994, who published an opinion stating Valerie Plame was
CIA?
The CIA suspects that Aldrich Aimes may have given her name to
Russian intelligence. They aren't sure because they aren't sure Aimes
knew about her, and there has been no evidence that her contacts have
been compromised. If Aimes did gever her name to the Russians, there
is no reason to believe that her contacts in other countries were
exposed. In any event, the only thing we can be sure of is that
everyone learned that she was an agent when Novak published it.
True story.. I wonder how Blondie keeps thinking otherwise?
Of course Bonde know this. I've pointed it out to him a couple of
times already. He tries to keep his claim general, without mentioning
Aimes, because he's trying to mislead people into thinking Plame was
outed in the papers back in 1994. He's being dishonest. That's why
he's in my killfile.
Well, he's kinda fun to toy with, but I can certainly understand..
Everyone didn't learn about it when Novak published it.
It had not been published until Novak published it, right?
And the point about Ames outing of Plame is that Plame was
brought back to the US then and no longer used [..]
She and her husband just came back from Niger regarding
the false claims of the WBush administration about sales
of enriched bullsplatter to Iraq..
Look at all the former CIA who prattle on on TV l[..]
I'd rather not watch TV, the brightness controls don't work much..
One of Bonde's other points is that neo-con pundit Cliff May said
that "everyone" inside the beltway knew she was an agent. He says he
knows this because he'd heard about her identity at a cocktail party.
I kept asking Blondie for corroborative articles to confirm this,
but he just ran away from the thread when confronted with that..
Of course you are lying as you always are.
Still relying on a false generalization, 'bot Bonehead?
I gave you Novak and May's articles as well as [..]
Yup, but like your url'd cites, it still doesn't corroborate
anything more substantiative than your usual right-wing rhetoric..
Your response is always to snip and cut[..]
Yup, especially when my BS detectors go off..
What Bonde fails to understand is that Wilson was a fairly low-
profile guy. He and his wife would not have been the subject of
widespread Washington gossip until after he wrote his op-ed about the
phoney niger uranium story. If Plame's CIA employment was being
gossiped about, it was most likely because whoever leaked the story
to Novak was also telling every freindly face he/she knew about it as
well.
The story was 'shopped around' quite a bit, wasn't it?
NYTimes says that it got out a bit as she moved up the power ladder[..]
Post an official cite, right here, 'bot..
--Something more substantiative than your usual opinion puffery..
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