Religions > Atheism > Gingrich calls for abolition of bilingual education, multilingual ballots
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04 Apr 2007 12:08:56 PM |
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Gingrich calls for abolition of bilingual education, multilingual ballots |
It is sane policy positions like these that make Newt Gingrich an
qualified candidate for higher office.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/04/gingrich_calls_for_abolition_o.php
An advocate for English as the official language of the U.S. says he's
pleased that former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is calling for an end
to bilingual education programs and multi-lingual ballots. However,
English First executive director Jim Boulet is calling attention to
the fact that Gingrich failed to take these positions while he was in
Congress.
More recently, Gingrich has compared bilingual education with "the
language of living in a ghetto." He also said the government should
stop mandating that various documents be printed in any one of 700
languages, depending on who randomly shows up to vote.
Boulet says Gingrich was different while in Congress. "His views on
English were ... 'let's chase the so-called Hispanic vote,' [and]
'let's make Spanish-only Puerto Rico a state,'" the English First
executive director says, noting that Gingrich even co-sponsored a bill
pushing Puerto Rican statehood.
"So, while we welcome the new Newt," Boulet notes, "we've not
forgotten the old. So we're hopeful." The English language advocate
says he believes Gingrich has lately taken his pro-English positions
because he wants to be president and recognizes that most voters do
not want bilingual education and multi-language ballots.
"There's the Newt in office, and there's the Newt out of office,"
Boulet observes. "The one out of office is very thoughtful, a real
original thinker, and pro-English." The other Newt Gingrich or
"Speaker Newt," Boulet suggests, seemed at that time more interested
in courting Hispanic voters than in pushing pro-English policies.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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13 Apr 2007 05:14:23 PM |
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On 13 Apr 2007 09:30:57 -0700, "Thandarr" <thandarr@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 4, 12:08 pm, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
"Speaker Newt," Boulet suggests, seemed at that time more interested
in courting Hispanic voters than in pushing pro-English policies.
Although a handful of undocumented aliens in North Carolina voted
Typical Republican philosophy - let illegal aliens vote if they'll
vote Republican, but keep citizens from voting if there's a chance
that they'll vote Democratic.
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| User: "Attila" |
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14 Apr 2007 06:01:08 AM |
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:14:23 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<8300231hk6osc82sshke0cop0sb6jr0l0t@4ax.com> wrote:
On 13 Apr 2007 09:30:57 -0700, "Thandarr" <thandarr@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 4, 12:08 pm, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
"Speaker Newt," Boulet suggests, seemed at that time more interested
in courting Hispanic voters than in pushing pro-English policies.
Although a handful of undocumented aliens in North Carolina voted
Typical Republican philosophy - let illegal aliens vote if they'll
vote Republican, but keep citizens from voting
An illegal alien is not a citizen. Federal law should require all
governmental agencies to report them to ICE whenever they are
identified. They should be deported without exception after being
fingerprinted. They should never be allowed to re-enter legally.
if there's a chance
that they'll vote Democratic.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Undocumented aliens pay taxes |
14 Apr 2007 02:58:12 PM |
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Attila < wrote:
An illegal alien is not a citizen. Federal law should require all
governmental agencies to report them to ICE whenever they are
identified. They should be deported without exception after being
fingerprinted. They should never be allowed to re-enter legally.
The only problem with that is that we Americans have already
decided that we WANT our guest workers here.
We're not trying to get rid of them - we're trying to get them
work permits.
What we *really* need is to criminalize the behaviour of you
White Supremacists.
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| User: "Attila" |
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14 Apr 2007 03:46:48 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:58:12 GMT, Sanders Kaufman <bucky@kaufman.net>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<onaUh.10504$Kd3.2587@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net> wrote:
Attila < wrote:
An illegal alien is not a citizen. Federal law should require all
governmental agencies to report them to ICE whenever they are
identified. They should be deported without exception after being
fingerprinted. They should never be allowed to re-enter legally.
The only problem with that is that we Americans have already
decided that we WANT our guest workers here.
As an American I have not made any such decision.
I want them deported as fast as they are found.
We're not trying to get rid of them - we're trying to get them
work permits.
Not we. I totally oppose this.
What we *really* need is to criminalize the behaviour of you
White Supremacists.
I don't care what color is involved. Illegal is illegal.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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14 Apr 2007 03:00:00 PM |
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Attila < wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:58:12 GMT, Sanders Kaufman <bucky@kaufman.net>
The only problem with that is that we Americans have already
decided that we WANT our guest workers here.
As an American I have not made any such decision.
I want them deported as fast as they are found.
Yeah - you want a lot of things that you can't pay for and that
we Americans won't give you.
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Conservative government guarantees a liberal society.
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| User: "Attila" |
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15 Apr 2007 06:51:52 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:00:00 -0400, Sanders Kaufman
<bucky@kaufman.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<GfbUh.160$Yo2.46@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net> wrote:
Attila < wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:58:12 GMT, Sanders Kaufman <bucky@kaufman.net>
The only problem with that is that we Americans have already
decided that we WANT our guest workers here.
As an American I have not made any such decision.
I want them deported as fast as they are found.
Yeah - you want a lot of things that you can't pay for and that
we Americans won't give you.
I can do the same thing you do - continue to vote for those who
support what I support.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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14 Apr 2007 04:13:58 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:00:00 -0400, in alt.atheism
Sanders Kaufman <bucky@kaufman.net> wrote in
<GfbUh.160$Yo2.46@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>:
Attila < wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:58:12 GMT, Sanders Kaufman <bucky@kaufman.net>
The only problem with that is that we Americans have already
decided that we WANT our guest workers here.
As an American I have not made any such decision.
I want them deported as fast as they are found.
Yeah - you want a lot of things that you can't pay for and that
we Americans won't give you.
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Conservative government guarantees a liberal society.
America hasn't had a conservative government for years. We have
reactionary religious zealots who have conspired with thieves who call
themselves conservative, but do nothing that is conservative. They
certainly don't protect our liberties.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 Apr 2007 07:28:42 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:58:12 GMT, Sanders Kaufman <bucky@kaufman.net>
wrote:
The only problem with that is that we Americans have already
decided that we WANT our guest workers here.
We're not trying to get rid of them - we're trying to get them
work permits.
That's what the government is doing, it's not what the people are
doing.
What we *really* need is to criminalize the behaviour of you
White Supremacists.
It's white supremacy to insist that people obey laws?
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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14 Apr 2007 07:32:23 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:58:12 GMT, Sanders Kaufman <bucky@kaufman.net>
We're not trying to get rid of them - we're trying to get them
work permits.
That's what the government is doing, it's not what the people are
doing.
It's funny how you White Seperatists talk.
It's white supremacy to insist that people obey laws?
It's weird how you White Seperatists both denounce our
government, and insist you support its laws.
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| User: "Attila" |
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15 Apr 2007 06:54:17 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:32:23 GMT, Sanders Kaufman <bucky@kaufman.net>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<roeUh.16765$Um6.15054@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:58:12 GMT, Sanders Kaufman <bucky@kaufman.net>
We're not trying to get rid of them - we're trying to get them
work permits.
That's what the government is doing, it's not what the people are
doing.
It's funny how you White Seperatists talk.
It's funny how some color element is thrown in to something that is
not race based. If they are here illegally throw them out, no matter
where they came from and what color they are.
It's white supremacy to insist that people obey laws?
It's weird how you White Seperatists both denounce our
government, and insist you support its laws.
It is quite proper to do both.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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15 Apr 2007 04:36:15 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:32:23 GMT, Sanders Kaufman <bucky@kaufman.net>
wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:58:12 GMT, Sanders Kaufman <bucky@kaufman.net>
We're not trying to get rid of them - we're trying to get them
work permits.
That's what the government is doing, it's not what the people are
doing.
It's funny how you White Seperatists talk.
It's white supremacy to insist that people obey laws?
It's weird how you White Seperatists both denounce our
government, and insist you support its laws.
It's funny how you can't think for yourself.
<plonk>
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| User: "Thandarr" |
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14 Apr 2007 01:36:28 PM |
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On Apr 14, 6:01 am, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:14:23 -0400, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<8300231hk6osc82sshke0cop0sb6jr0...@4ax.com> wrote:
On 13 Apr 2007 09:30:57 -0700, "Thandarr" <thand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 4, 12:08 pm, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
"Speaker Newt," Boulet suggests, seemed at that time more interested
in courting Hispanic voters than in pushing pro-English policies.
Although a handful of undocumented aliens in North Carolina voted
Typical Republican philosophy - let illegal aliens vote if they'll
vote Republican, but keep citizens from voting
An illegal alien is not a citizen. Federal law should require all
governmental agencies to report them to ICE whenever they are
identified. They should be deported without exception after being
fingerprinted. They should never be allowed to re-enter legally.
if there's a chance
that they'll vote Democratic.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
Typical Republican philosophy - let's make it impossible for
undocumented immigrants to pay their taxes and then whine because
they're a drain on our economy. [Note, even if they didn't pay taxes
they would probably be a net gain to the economy.]
Thandarr
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| User: "Attila" |
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14 Apr 2007 03:44:56 PM |
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On 14 Apr 2007 11:36:28 -0700, "Thandarr" <thandarr@yahoo.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1176575788.546366.232770@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 14, 6:01 am, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:14:23 -0400, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<8300231hk6osc82sshke0cop0sb6jr0...@4ax.com> wrote:
On 13 Apr 2007 09:30:57 -0700, "Thandarr" <thand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 4, 12:08 pm, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
"Speaker Newt," Boulet suggests, seemed at that time more interested
in courting Hispanic voters than in pushing pro-English policies.
Although a handful of undocumented aliens in North Carolina voted
Typical Republican philosophy - let illegal aliens vote if they'll
vote Republican, but keep citizens from voting
An illegal alien is not a citizen. Federal law should require all
governmental agencies to report them to ICE whenever they are
identified. They should be deported without exception after being
fingerprinted. They should never be allowed to re-enter legally.
if there's a chance
that they'll vote Democratic.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
Typical Republican philosophy - let's make it impossible for
undocumented immigrants to pay their taxes and then whine because
they're a drain on our economy. [Note, even if they didn't pay taxes
they would probably be a net gain to the economy.]
No, simply deport them as fast as they are found. And seal the border
to the extent necessary to prevent illegal entry. Whatever it takes.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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14 Apr 2007 09:34:33 PM |
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On Apr 14, 3:44 pm, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
On 14 Apr 2007 11:36:28 -0700, "Thandarr" <thand...@yahoo.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1176575788.546366.232...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 14, 6:01 am, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:14:23 -0400, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<8300231hk6osc82sshke0cop0sb6jr0...@4ax.com> wrote:
On 13 Apr 2007 09:30:57 -0700, "Thandarr" <thand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 4, 12:08 pm, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
"Speaker Newt," Boulet suggests, seemed at that time more interested
in courting Hispanic voters than in pushing pro-English policies.
Although a handful of undocumented aliens in North Carolina voted
Typical Republican philosophy - let illegal aliens vote if they'll
vote Republican, but keep citizens from voting
An illegal alien is not a citizen. Federal law should require all
governmental agencies to report them to ICE whenever they are
identified. They should be deported without exception after being
fingerprinted. They should never be allowed to re-enter legally.
if there's a chance
that they'll vote Democratic.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
Typical Republican philosophy - let's make it impossible for
undocumented immigrants to pay their taxes and then whine because
they're a drain on our economy. [Note, even if they didn't pay taxes
they would probably be a net gain to the economy.]
No, simply deport them as fast as they are found. And seal the border
to the extent necessary to prevent illegal entry. Whatever it takes.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom- Hide quoted text -
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Sounds simple, doesn't it? Remember Elian Gonzalez? Well, just
multiply that by twelve million.
[I can't take credit for that, but I forgot who can. I think it may
have been Jon Stewart, but I could be wrong and I am far too lazy to
look it up. Is that still plagiarism?]
Thandarr
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15 Apr 2007 06:51:00 AM |
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On 14 Apr 2007 19:34:33 -0700, "Thandarr" <thandarr@yahoo.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1176604473.129793.144020@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 14, 3:44 pm, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
On 14 Apr 2007 11:36:28 -0700, "Thandarr" <thand...@yahoo.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1176575788.546366.232...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 14, 6:01 am, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:14:23 -0400, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<8300231hk6osc82sshke0cop0sb6jr0...@4ax.com> wrote:
On 13 Apr 2007 09:30:57 -0700, "Thandarr" <thand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 4, 12:08 pm, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
"Speaker Newt," Boulet suggests, seemed at that time more interested
in courting Hispanic voters than in pushing pro-English policies.
Although a handful of undocumented aliens in North Carolina voted
Typical Republican philosophy - let illegal aliens vote if they'll
vote Republican, but keep citizens from voting
An illegal alien is not a citizen. Federal law should require all
governmental agencies to report them to ICE whenever they are
identified. They should be deported without exception after being
fingerprinted. They should never be allowed to re-enter legally.
if there's a chance
that they'll vote Democratic.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
Typical Republican philosophy - let's make it impossible for
undocumented immigrants to pay their taxes and then whine because
they're a drain on our economy. [Note, even if they didn't pay taxes
they would probably be a net gain to the economy.]
No, simply deport them as fast as they are found. And seal the border
to the extent necessary to prevent illegal entry. Whatever it takes.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom- Hide quoted text -
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Sounds simple, doesn't it? Remember Elian Gonzalez?
Vaguely. I did not pay much attention.
Well, just
multiply that by twelve million.
So twelve (or twenty) million are sent back. So what?
[I can't take credit for that, but I forgot who can. I think it may
have been Jon Stewart, but I could be wrong and I am far too lazy to
look it up. Is that still plagiarism?]
Thandarr
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| Title: Re: Gingrich calls for abolition of bilingual education, multilingual ballots |
04 Apr 2007 11:20:09 PM |
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On Apr 4, 12:08 pm, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
It is sane policy positions like these that make Newt Gingrich an
qualified candidate for higher office.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/04/gingrich_calls_for_abolition_o.php
An advocate for English as the official language of the U.S. says he's
pleased that former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is calling for an end
to bilingual education programs and multi-lingual ballots. However,
English First executive director Jim Boulet is calling attention to
the fact that Gingrich failed to take these positions while he was in
Congress.
More recently, Gingrich has compared bilingual education with "the
language of living in a ghetto." He also said the government should
stop mandating that various documents be printed in any one of 700
languages, depending on who randomly shows up to vote.
Boulet says Gingrich was different while in Congress. "His views on
English were ... 'let's chase the so-called Hispanic vote,' [and]
'let's make Spanish-only Puerto Rico a state,'" the English First
executive director says, noting that Gingrich even co-sponsored a bill
pushing Puerto Rican statehood.
"So, while we welcome the new Newt," Boulet notes, "we've not
forgotten the old. So we're hopeful." The English language advocate
says he believes Gingrich has lately taken his pro-English positions
because he wants to be president and recognizes that most voters do
not want bilingual education and multi-language ballots.
"There's the Newt in office, and there's the Newt out of office,"
Boulet observes. "The one out of office is very thoughtful, a real
original thinker, and pro-English." The other Newt Gingrich or
"Speaker Newt," Boulet suggests, seemed at that time more interested
in courting Hispanic voters than in pushing pro-English policies.
Yep. He's still an *****.
"Bilingual education" is a good scare word. At least it's good at
scaring people who don't understand immigrant communities. I've know
lots of immigrants, but exactly NONE who do not want their children to
speak English fluently. The problem is, that it's difficult to figure
out how to best educate children who come here without English as
their first language. The idea that we want to use the big stick and
regardless of what's best for achieving the result teach in English
only is unbelievably short-sighted and stupid. But that's what the
Republicans do best.
Their transparent opposition to bilingual ballots can be explained by
the fact that they know that immigrant citizens and citizens whose
native language is not English do not vote for them as often as they
vote Democratic. It's just to disenfranchise a population that tends
to vote for their opposition.
Screw them. We should use bilingual education when necessary. We
should recognize the wishes of immigrant parents that their children
learn English and help them in whatever way is most effective. We
should continue to use bilingual and multilingual ballots wherever
there are large communities of non-English speaking citizens, and Newt
Gingrich should redirect his efforts toward a useful goal for him,
achieving autopederasty.
Thandarr
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05 Apr 2007 06:06:47 AM |
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In article <1175746809.605530.155600@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
"Thandarr" <thandarr@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Bilingual education" is a good scare word. At least it's good at
scaring people who don't understand immigrant communities. I've know
lots of immigrants, but exactly NONE who do not want their children to
speak English fluently. The problem is, that it's difficult to figure
out how to best educate children who come here without English as
their first language. The idea that we want to use the big stick and
regardless of what's best for achieving the result teach in English
only is unbelievably short-sighted and stupid. But that's what the
Republicans do best.
And yet after over 20 years of bilingual education, the problem is
significantly worse, not better. Doing the same thing over and over
again and expecting different results... I guess the Democrats are
short-sighted and insane.
Their transparent opposition to bilingual ballots can be explained by
the fact that they know that immigrant citizens and citizens whose
native language is not English do not vote for them as often as they
vote Democratic. It's just to disenfranchise a population that tends
to vote for their opposition.
No, it's a move to disenfranchise a population that shouldn't be
enfranchised in the first place: illegal aliens who are voting in droves
contrary to law.
Newt Gingrich should redirect his efforts toward a useful
goal for him, achieving autopederasty.
Wow. People who disagree with your politics are pedophiles now? Whatever
credibility you had just bottomed out at zero.
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05 Apr 2007 10:49:10 AM |
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In article <btr1702-2E6523.07064705042007@news.giganews.com>,
BTR1701 <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
And yet after over 20 years of bilingual education, the problem is
significantly worse, not better.
what problem? students who can't speak or read? perhaps decades of
gop sponsored school budget cuts contributed?
kids in china have no problem learning two, or three, or four
languages, nor do kids in other nations.
does that give you any ideas on what is wrong?
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| Title: Re: Gingrich calls for abolition of bilingual education, multilingual ballots |
05 Apr 2007 03:21:57 PM |
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On Apr 5, 11:49 am, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <btr1702-2E6523.07064705042...@news.giganews.com>,
BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
And yet after over 20 years of bilingual education, the problem is
significantly worse, not better.
what problem? students who can't speak or read? perhaps decades of
gop sponsored school budget cuts contributed?
kids in china have no problem learning two, or three, or four
languages, nor do kids in other nations.
does that give you any ideas on what is wrong?
Don't hold your breath.
PDW
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Gingrich calls for abolition of bilingual education, multilingual ballots |
05 Apr 2007 03:37:48 PM |
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In article <1175804517.268804.117260@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
"Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 5, 11:49 am, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <btr1702-2E6523.07064705042...@news.giganews.com>,
BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
And yet after over 20 years of bilingual education, the problem is
significantly worse, not better.
what problem? students who can't speak or read? perhaps decades of
gop sponsored school budget cuts contributed?
kids in china have no problem learning two, or three, or four
languages, nor do kids in other nations.
does that give you any ideas on what is wrong?
Don't hold your breath.
it's amazing, the same nitwits who fucked up our system over decades
are now whining about it as if it is someone else's fault.
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| User: "Syd" |
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06 Apr 2007 01:16:57 AM |
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On Apr 5, 4:37 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <1175804517.268804.117...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
"Syd M." <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 5, 11:49 am, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <btr1702-2E6523.07064705042...@news.giganews.com>,
BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
And yet after over 20 years of bilingual education, the problem is
significantly worse, not better.
what problem? students who can't speak or read? perhaps decades of
gop sponsored school budget cuts contributed?
kids in china have no problem learning two, or three, or four
languages, nor do kids in other nations.
does that give you any ideas on what is wrong?
Don't hold your breath.
it's amazing, the same nitwits who fucked up our system over decades
are now whining about it as if it is someone else's fault.
It's all that "Personal Responsibility" stuff they were preaching
about..
PDW
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Gingrich calls for abolition of bilingual education, multilingual ballots |
06 Apr 2007 09:01:53 AM |
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In article <1175840217.333600.155360@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
"Syd" <pdwright42@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 5, 4:37 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <1175804517.268804.117...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
"Syd M." <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 5, 11:49 am, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <btr1702-2E6523.07064705042...@news.giganews.com>,
BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
And yet after over 20 years of bilingual education, the problem is
significantly worse, not better.
what problem? students who can't speak or read? perhaps decades of
gop sponsored school budget cuts contributed?
kids in china have no problem learning two, or three, or four
languages, nor do kids in other nations.
does that give you any ideas on what is wrong?
Don't hold your breath.
it's amazing, the same nitwits who fucked up our system over decades
are now whining about it as if it is someone else's fault.
It's all that "Personal Responsibility" stuff they were preaching
about..
kinda brings the "h" word to mind, doesn't it?
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| User: "Syd" |
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| Title: Re: Gingrich calls for abolition of bilingual education, multilingual ballots |
06 Apr 2007 02:38:53 PM |
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On Apr 6, 10:01 am, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <1175840217.333600.155...@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
"Syd" <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 5, 4:37 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <1175804517.268804.117...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
"Syd M." <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 5, 11:49 am, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <btr1702-2E6523.07064705042...@news.giganews.com>,
BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
And yet after over 20 years of bilingual education, the problem is
significantly worse, not better.
what problem? students who can't speak or read? perhaps decades of
gop sponsored school budget cuts contributed?
kids in china have no problem learning two, or three, or four
languages, nor do kids in other nations.
does that give you any ideas on what is wrong?
Don't hold your breath.
it's amazing, the same nitwits who fucked up our system over decades
are now whining about it as if it is someone else's fault.
It's all that "Personal Responsibility" stuff they were preaching
about..
kinda brings the "h" word to mind, doesn't it?
Yep.
"Do as I say, not as I do". Fits the "h" word perfectly...
PDW
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| User: "Thandarr" |
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| Title: Re: Gingrich calls for abolition of bilingual education, multilingual ballots |
05 Apr 2007 11:41:26 AM |
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On Apr 5, 6:06 am, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
In article <1175746809.605530.155...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
"Thandarr" <thand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Bilingual education" is a good scare word. At least it's good at
scaring people who don't understand immigrant communities. I've know
lots of immigrants, but exactly NONE who do not want their children to
speak English fluently. The problem is, that it's difficult to figure
out how to best educate children who come here without English as
their first language. The idea that we want to use the big stick and
regardless of what's best for achieving the result teach in English
only is unbelievably short-sighted and stupid. But that's what the
Republicans do best.
And yet after over 20 years of bilingual education, the problem is
significantly worse, not better. Doing the same thing over and over
again and expecting different results... I guess the Democrats are
short-sighted and insane.
The problem is not significantly worse. It's pretty much the same
problem, but when bilingual education is used advisedly it has been
successful. Obviously anything can be misused.
Their transparent opposition to bilingual ballots can be explained by
the fact that they know that immigrant citizens and citizens whose
native language is not English do not vote for them as often as they
vote Democratic. It's just to disenfranchise a population that tends
to vote for their opposition.
No, it's a move to disenfranchise a population that shouldn't be
enfranchised in the first place: illegal aliens who are voting in droves
contrary to law.
That's a fantasy.
Newt Gingrich should redirect his efforts toward a useful
goal for him, achieving autopederasty.
Wow. People who disagree with your politics are pedophiles now? Whatever
credibility you had just bottomed out at zero.
Not pedophile, "autopederasty" Google it. It's a polite--well,
perhaps not polite but cute--way to tell someone to go ***** himself.
Thandarr
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Gingrich calls for abolition of bilingual education, multilingual ballots |
05 Apr 2007 03:48:58 PM |
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On Apr 5, 12:41 pm, "Thandarr" <thand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 5, 6:06 am, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
In article <1175746809.605530.155...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Newt Gingrich should redirect his efforts toward a useful
goal for him, achieving autopederasty.
Wow. People who disagree with your politics are pedophiles now? Whatever
credibility you had just bottomed out at zero.
Not pedophile, "autopederasty" Google it. It's a polite--well,
perhaps not polite but cute--way to tell someone to go ***** himself.
In an otherwise normal political thread, one side
interrupts the festivities by presenting their imaginings
of sexual perversions on the part of the other. Strangely
enough, these imaginings always come from the same
side - the pattern is eerily consistent. Interesting.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "Thandarr" |
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| Title: Re: Gingrich calls for abolition of bilingual education, multilingual ballots |
05 Apr 2007 07:59:24 PM |
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On Apr 5, 3:48 pm, wrote:
On Apr 5, 12:41 pm, "Thandarr" <thand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 5, 6:06 am, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
In article <1175746809.605530.155...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Newt Gingrich should redirect his efforts toward a useful
goal for him, achieving autopederasty.
Wow. People who disagree with your politics are pedophiles now? Whatever
credibility you had just bottomed out at zero.
Not pedophile, "autopederasty" Google it. It's a polite--well,
perhaps not polite but cute--way to tell someone to go ***** himself.
In an otherwise normal political thread, one side
interrupts the festivities by presenting their imaginings
of sexual perversions on the part of the other. Strangely
enough, these imaginings always come from the same
side - the pattern is eerily consistent. Interesting.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
Walt,
I could have understood this response if you were genuinely unaware of
the meaning of the obscure neologism "autopederasty," although your
unwarranted assumption that you appreciated the meaning of the word
would still place you among those seen masticating at restaurants or
renting movies in which thespians prominently appear. You, however,
were clearly aware that the recommendation that one "achieve
autopederasty" is not a comment on said person's past pecadillos but
rather a suggestion that said person "go ***** himself." I do not
imagine Newt Gingrich engaging in any sexual activity whatsoever.
Though I may be a pervert, I'm not THAT much of a pervert.
Putting aside the fantasy that any discourse found on Usenet could
conceivably qualify as "normal," your protestations that such sexually
charged insults come only from one side do not comport with my
experience. Rather, I believe that sexually charged insults from the
right were the order of the day during the Clinton administration.
Perhaps the reason that you perceive that the left maintains a current
monopoly on pornographic put-downs is that those on the right
encourage same by feigning such righteous high dudgeon that scoffers
such as the undersigned enjoy the aforementioned risible spectacle.
Thandarr
(Wow, this thesarus came in handy, even though it didn't have
"autopederasty" listed.)
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| User: "" |
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06 Apr 2007 09:03:39 AM |
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On Apr 5, 8:59 pm, "Thandarr" <thand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Putting aside the fantasy that any discourse found on Usenet could
conceivably qualify as "normal," your protestations that such sexually
charged insults come only from one side do not comport with my
experience.
On alt.politics and alt.atheism, that is my exact
experience - there's one or two extreme-right
lackwits who put forth the occaisional "*****"
comment, and a horde of leftists who literally
see nothing unusual about conflating in their
imaginations right-wing political leanings with
bestiality, pedophilia, masturbating to execution
films, and asking one's mommy to show you
how to use an anal vibrator. No Thandarr, I'm
not creating these examples from my imagination.
This is what your allies see as normal, according
to the norms of Usenet.
Rather, I believe that sexually charged insults from the
right were the order of the day during the Clinton administration.
That's not an experience I recall, though I wasn't
as active on these newsgroups a decade ago
as I am now.
Perhaps the reason that you perceive that the left maintains a current
monopoly on pornographic put-downs is that those on the right
encourage same by feigning such righteous high dudgeon that scoffers
such as the undersigned enjoy the aforementioned risible spectacle.
No, I hold this perception because on alt.atheism
and alt.politics a standard tactic of the left nowadays
is to pop up with imagery of perverse sexual behavior
in an otherwise normal political thread, and direct these
imaginings in a libelous fashion at their political enemies.
Furthermore, they see this form of attack as laudable
behavior, even when they forget themselves and use
non-perverse sexual behavior (like homosexuality)
as their attempted calumny.
I don't know why I've developed such a sensitivity
lately to use of sexual imagery as a weapon. I think
part of it is the base hypocrisy of it, considering
the current most common source.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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