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12 Jan 2007 04:21:52 AM |
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Give Parents a Say |
Give Parents a Say
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/january/27.60.html
[excerpt]
Give Parents a Say
The current public school model isn't working.
Stephen L. Carter | posted 1/09/2007 04:23PM
A group of 200 high school seniors interrupted graduation in Russell
Springs, Kentucky, last May. Were they taking a public stand against the
war? Objecting to the commencement speaker? No, they were protesting a
federal judge's order barring a spoken prayer at the ceremony—by reciting
the Lord's Prayer in unison.
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In the blogosphere, two conflicting interpretations of the Russell Springs
protest quickly spread. Many Christians praised the students and heaped
calumny on the judge. One blogger in this camp wrote, "I think that the
pursuit of anti-prayer measures like this one indicates how dedicated the
ACLU is to the eradication of all mention of Christ in our society."
Another wrote, "I hope we never have graduation without prayer!"
On the other side, strict separationists warned that the students were
forcing their views on the minority (one student filed a lawsuit
challenging the annual practice of allowing a graduation prayer by a
student chaplain). Civil libertarians said such a prayer at graduation
crossed the line of separation between church and state because it was an
official ceremony with a captive audience.
Charles Haynes, a thoughtful observer of our First Amendment travails,
noted, "The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly declared school-sponsored
prayers unconstitutional, even when delivered by a student." Haynes then
accused the 200 protesters of attempting "to impose prayer (their prayer)
on everyone else." The First Amendment, he added, "protects us from the
tyranny of the majority."
I have long criticized courts and commentators who believe the First
Amendment was designed to protect people from occasionally listening to
religious messages they would rather not hear. On the contrary, the Framers
were more worried about the state oppressing the church than the church
oppressing the state.
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You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
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THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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| User: "salad" |
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12 Jan 2007 06:18:41 AM |
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wrote:
Give Parents a Say
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/january/27.60.html
[excerpt]
Give Parents a Say
The current public school model isn't working.
Stephen L. Carter | posted 1/09/2007 04:23PM
calumny on the judge. One blogger in this camp wrote, "I think that the
pursuit of anti-prayer measures like this one indicates how dedicated the
ACLU is to the eradication of all mention of Christ in our society."
I wonder why Christians believe that. We have Christ so much in our
society the biggest shopping days in the US lead up to it. The federal
gov't even shuts down for the birthdate of JC.
It's like they're the in your fact ACT-Up "We're here, we're queer"
folk...but Christian..."we're here to shove JC down your throat".
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