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"Richard Nibbler" |
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03 Dec 2007 12:41:22 AM |
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Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
The Arctic Ice Cap is melting but the Ice Cap is floating on the ocean
so it is fully displaced in water. This means when the Ice Cap is
fully melted the ocean level will actually decrease by about 10% of
the total volume of the entire Arctic Ice Cap.
I guess the question is why do the "experts" claim that the melting
ice will raise ocean levels. If the Ice were located on land and not
displaced in water then the melt would add to the volume of the ocean
but since the melt adds nothing to the volume of water because it is
floating in the water the ocean level cannot rise. I'm not too bright
so could somebody please explain to me how melting {ocean ice}
increases ocean levels???
Remember, frozen water increases in total volume by about 10% and
decreases by the same amount. Now there are some Ice Caps in the
Northern regions such as Greenland which if melted could raise ocean
levels a bit but this in itself is interesting given that less than a
thousand years ago Greenland was Green (hence it's name). The Oceans
must have been higher as little as 1000 years ago OR the Greenland Ice
was located somewhere else.
Antarctica is a land mass with Ice on average 7000 feet thick and over
2 miles thick in some areas. The 6,000,000 cubic miles of ice in
Antarctica could raise ocean levels about 200 feet if it melted. But
this is unlikely since the average temperatures in Antarctica is about
-37F. Additionally the ice levels in the Antarctic are actually
increasing so perhaps the Arctic melt is winding up in the Antarctic.
Quite interesting. I'm actually looking forward to Global Warming
since during the last Warm period the Earth was covered by lush green
jungles and forests. The coastal waters in many areas were like a warm
bath and the oxygen levels of the atmosphere were much higher than
they are today.
Praise Natas!!!
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
03 Dec 2007 03:40:48 PM |
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"Richard Nibbler" <Richard.Nibler@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6fac912d-b8e0-49da-b1b6-2025f245d97a@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
The Arctic Ice Cap is melting but the Ice Cap is floating on the ocean
so it is fully displaced in water.
Wrong.
This means when the Ice Cap is
fully melted the ocean level will actually decrease by about 10% of
the total volume of the entire Arctic Ice Cap.
No.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
04 Dec 2007 05:30:51 PM |
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"Richard Nibbler" <Richard.Nibler@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6fac912d-b8e0-49da-b1b6-2025f245d97a@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
The Arctic Ice Cap is melting but the Ice Cap is floating on the ocean
so it is fully displaced in water. This means when the Ice Cap is
fully melted the ocean level will actually decrease by about 10% of
the total volume of the entire Arctic Ice Cap.
I guess the question is why do the "experts" claim that the melting
ice will raise ocean levels. If the Ice were located on land and not
displaced in water then the melt would add to the volume of the ocean
but since the melt adds nothing to the volume of water because it is
floating in the water the ocean level cannot rise. I'm not too bright
so could somebody please explain to me how melting {ocean ice}
increases ocean levels???
Remember, frozen water increases in total volume by about 10% and
decreases by the same amount. Now there are some Ice Caps in the
Northern regions such as Greenland which if melted could raise ocean
levels a bit but this in itself is interesting given that less than a
thousand years ago Greenland was Green (hence it's name). The Oceans
must have been higher as little as 1000 years ago OR the Greenland Ice
was located somewhere else.
Antarctica is a land mass with Ice on average 7000 feet thick and over
2 miles thick in some areas. The 6,000,000 cubic miles of ice in
Antarctica could raise ocean levels about 200 feet if it melted. But
this is unlikely since the average temperatures in Antarctica is about
-37F. Additionally the ice levels in the Antarctic are actually
increasing so perhaps the Arctic melt is winding up in the Antarctic.
Quite interesting. I'm actually looking forward to Global Warming
since during the last Warm period the Earth was covered by lush green
jungles and forests. The coastal waters in many areas were like a warm
bath and the oxygen levels of the atmosphere were much higher than
they are today.
Praise Natas!!!
The acid rock group or the skateboarder?
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
03 Dec 2007 08:52:54 AM |
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"Richard Nibbler" <Richard.Nibler@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6fac912d-b8e0-49da-b1b6-2025f245d97a@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
The Arctic Ice Cap is melting but the Ice Cap is floating on the ocean
so it is fully displaced in water. This means when the Ice Cap is
fully melted the ocean level will actually decrease by about 10% of
the total volume of the entire Arctic Ice Cap.
No. No change from the melting of floating ice.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
03 Dec 2007 09:06:04 AM |
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On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 06:52:54 -0800, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"
<this@aint.me> wrote:
"Richard Nibbler" <Richard.Nibler@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6fac912d-b8e0-49da-b1b6-2025f245d97a@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
The Arctic Ice Cap is melting but the Ice Cap is floating on the ocean
so it is fully displaced in water. This means when the Ice Cap is
fully melted the ocean level will actually decrease by about 10% of
the total volume of the entire Arctic Ice Cap.
No. No change from the melting of floating ice.
That's basic first year high school physics.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
03 Dec 2007 01:09:01 PM |
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Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 06:52:54 -0800, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"
<this@aint.me> wrote:
"Richard Nibbler" <Richard.Nibler@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6fac912d-b8e0-49da-b1b6-2025f245d97a@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
The Arctic Ice Cap is melting but the Ice Cap is floating on the
ocean so it is fully displaced in water. This means when the Ice
Cap is fully melted the ocean level will actually decrease by about
10% of the total volume of the entire Arctic Ice Cap.
No. No change from the melting of floating ice.
That's basic first year high school physics.
There may be a slight effect due to the difference in density between the
salty seawater and the melted freshwater from the ice, but it wouldn't be
significant.
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| User: "David Canzi -- non-mailable" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
03 Dec 2007 07:06:12 PM |
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In article <6fac912d-b8e0-49da-b1b6-2025f245d97a@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Richard Nibbler <Richard.Nibler@gmail.com> wrote:
The Arctic Ice Cap is melting but the Ice Cap is floating on the ocean
so it is fully displaced in water. This means when the Ice Cap is
fully melted the ocean level will actually decrease by about 10% of
the total volume of the entire Arctic Ice Cap.
When an ice cube floating in tap water melts, the water level is
the same before and after. (This is something I learned long ago
by reading my older brother's high school physics text book.)
But that's what happens when floating ice melts in fresh water.
The Arctic ice cap is floating in salt water, which is denser
than fresh water, so more ice is above the water level and less
is below. I would expect the water level to rise when the ice
melts, but not by much.
--
David Canzi | Eternal truths come and go. |
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| User: "Richard Nibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
03 Dec 2007 10:55:45 PM |
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On Dec 3, 6:06 pm, (David Canzi -- non-
mailable) wrote:
In article <6fac912d-b8e0-49da-b1b6-2025f245d...@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Richard Nibbler <Richard.Nib...@gmail.com> wrote:
The Arctic Ice Cap is melting but the Ice Cap is floating on the ocean
so it is fully displaced in water. This means when the Ice Cap is
fully melted the ocean level will actually decrease by about 10% of
the total volume of the entire Arctic Ice Cap.
When an ice cube floating in tap water melts, the water level is
the same before and after. (This is something I learned long ago
by reading my older brother's high school physics text book.)
But that's what happens when floating ice melts in fresh water.
The Arctic ice cap is floating in salt water, which is denser
than fresh water, so more ice is above the water level and less
is below. I would expect the water level to rise when the ice
melts, but not by much.
--
David Canzi | Eternal truths come and go. |
Have you ever watched an ice cube melt in a glass of water. The full
weight and volume of the ice is displaced by the liquid water. This
causes the water level to raise while it is supporting ice. When the
ice melts the full volume of the frozen water reduces by 10% as it
transitions states causing the overall volume of water to reduce. The
displacement of the ice involves both the weight of the frozen water
and the expanded volume of the frozen water.The supporting liquid must
move (displace) to keep the ice afloat. Since the water can only go up
and out the water level is higher while supporting ice. Because the
frozen water takes up 10% more space than an equal weight of liquid
water the supporting medium must displace to support the increased
space. Remember, despite the fact that ice exists above the water
level ice is also present below the water level and since the frozen
water is a solid gravity causes slightly more displacement due to the
inability of the ice to disperse the gravitational effect. Sea rise
occurs when non-displaced (land) ice melts and finds it's way into the
ocean.
Praise Natas!!!!
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
04 Dec 2007 08:29:50 AM |
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"Richard Nibbler" <Richard.Nibler@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2489392b-3d8d-4304-9c3d-1b35408c24b1@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 3, 6:06 pm, (David Canzi -- non-
mailable) wrote:
In article
<6fac912d-b8e0-49da-b1b6-2025f245d...@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Richard Nibbler <Richard.Nib...@gmail.com> wrote:
The Arctic Ice Cap is melting but the Ice Cap is floating on the ocean
so it is fully displaced in water. This means when the Ice Cap is
fully melted the ocean level will actually decrease by about 10% of
the total volume of the entire Arctic Ice Cap.
When an ice cube floating in tap water melts, the water level is
the same before and after. (This is something I learned long ago
by reading my older brother's high school physics text book.)
But that's what happens when floating ice melts in fresh water.
The Arctic ice cap is floating in salt water, which is denser
than fresh water, so more ice is above the water level and less
is below. I would expect the water level to rise when the ice
melts, but not by much.
--
David Canzi | Eternal truths come and go. |
Have you ever watched an ice cube melt in a glass of water. The full
weight and volume of the ice is displaced by the liquid water.
Weight, yes.
Volume, no.
Ice floats.
This
causes the water level to raise while it is supporting ice. When the
ice melts the full volume of the frozen water reduces by 10% as it
transitions states causing the overall volume of water to reduce. The
displacement of the ice involves both the weight of the frozen water
and the expanded volume of the frozen water.The supporting liquid must
move (displace) to keep the ice afloat. Since the water can only go up
and out the water level is higher while supporting ice. Because the
frozen water takes up 10% more space than an equal weight of liquid
water the supporting medium must displace to support the increased
space. Remember, despite the fact that ice exists above the water
level ice is also present below the water level and since the frozen
water is a solid gravity causes slightly more displacement due to the
inability of the ice to disperse the gravitational effect. Sea rise
occurs when non-displaced (land) ice melts and finds it's way into the
ocean.
Praise Natas!!!!
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
03 Dec 2007 11:39:18 PM |
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"Richard Nibbler" <Richard.Nibler@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2489392b-3d8d-4304-9c3d-1b35408c24b1@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 3, 6:06 pm, (David Canzi -- non-
mailable) wrote:
In article
<6fac912d-b8e0-49da-b1b6-2025f245d...@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Richard Nibbler <Richard.Nib...@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
Have you ever watched an ice cube melt in a glass of water. The full
weight and volume of the ice is displaced by the liquid water.
You're an idiot. You don't know what the ***** you're
talking about.
(For those of you reading this who have some understanding
of the workings of nature: the volume
of the ice above the surface of the water is not displacing
any water.)
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| User: "Pisano" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
03 Dec 2007 11:57:29 PM |
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On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:39:18 -0800, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"
<this@aint.me> wrote:
"Richard Nibbler" <Richard.Nibler@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2489392b-3d8d-4304-9c3d-1b35408c24b1@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 3, 6:06 pm, (David Canzi -- non-
mailable) wrote:
In article
<6fac912d-b8e0-49da-b1b6-2025f245d...@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Richard Nibbler <Richard.Nib...@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
Have you ever watched an ice cube melt in a glass of water. The full
weight and volume of the ice is displaced by the liquid water.
You're an idiot. You don't know what the ***** you're
talking about.
(For those of you reading this who have some understanding
of the workings of nature: the volume
of the ice above the surface of the water is not displacing
any water.)
Maybe you should ask my friends at the shipyard about that.
In any event, the ***** nibbler got the facts twisted. The
water does not displace the ice. The ice displaces the water.
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| User: "David Canzi -- non-mailable" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
04 Dec 2007 01:48:35 AM |
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In article <2489392b-3d8d-4304-9c3d-1b35408c24b1@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Richard Nibbler <Richard.Nibler@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 3, 6:06 pm, (David Canzi -- non-
mailable) wrote:
In article
<6fac912d-b8e0-49da-b1b6-2025f245d...@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Richard Nibbler <Richard.Nib...@gmail.com> wrote:
The Arctic Ice Cap is melting but the Ice Cap is floating on the ocean
so it is fully displaced in water. This means when the Ice Cap is
fully melted the ocean level will actually decrease by about 10% of
the total volume of the entire Arctic Ice Cap.
When an ice cube floating in tap water melts, the water level is
the same before and after. (This is something I learned long ago
by reading my older brother's high school physics text book.)
But that's what happens when floating ice melts in fresh water.
The Arctic ice cap is floating in salt water, which is denser
than fresh water, so more ice is above the water level and less
is below. I would expect the water level to rise when the ice
melts, but not by much.
Have you ever watched an ice cube melt in a glass of water.
Have you?
I just did the experiment. I chilled some tap water to near the
freezing point. I then put 3 ice cubes into a measuring cup
and added enough of the chilled water to float the ice cubes.
This put the water level between 1/2 cup and 2/3 cup. I added
more water to bring it as precisely as I could to the 2/3 line.
Then waited. Last time I looked the ice cubes were almost
completely melted and the water level was as far as I could tell
still precisely at the 2/3 line.
Maybe I'll try it tomorrow with salt water.
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David Canzi | Eternal truths come and go. |
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
03 Dec 2007 11:50:58 AM |
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On 3 dec, 07:41, Richard Nibbler <Richard.Nib...@gmail.com> wrote:
The Arctic Ice Cap is melting but the Ice Cap is floating on the ocean
so it is fully displaced in water. This means when the Ice Cap is
fully melted the ocean level will actually decrease by about 10% of
the total volume of the entire Arctic Ice Cap.
I guess the question is why do the "experts" claim that the melting
ice will raise ocean levels. If the Ice were located on land and not
displaced in water then the melt would add to the volume of the ocean
but since the melt adds nothing to the volume of water because it is
floating in the water the ocean level cannot rise. I'm not too bright
so could somebody please explain to me how melting {ocean ice}
increases ocean levels???
Remember, frozen water increases in total volume by about 10% and
decreases by the same amount. Now there are some Ice Caps in the
Northern regions such as Greenland which if melted could raise ocean
levels a bit but this in itself is interesting given that less than a
thousand years ago Greenland was Green (hence it's name). The Oceans
must have been higher as little as 1000 years ago OR the Greenland Ice
was located somewhere else.
Antarctica is a land mass with Ice on average 7000 feet thick and over
2 miles thick in some areas. The 6,000,000 cubic miles of ice in
Antarctica could raise ocean levels about 200 feet if it melted. But
this is unlikely since the average temperatures in Antarctica is about
-37F. Additionally the ice levels in the Antarctic are actually
increasing so perhaps the Arctic melt is winding up in the Antarctic.
Quite interesting. I'm actually looking forward to Global Warming
since during the last Warm period the Earth was covered by lush green
jungles and forests. The coastal waters in many areas were like a warm
bath and the oxygen levels of the atmosphere were much higher than
they are today.
Praise Natas!!!
If you wonder why some people are calling you dumbass it is they
wrongfully assume everyone knows the folowing.
1. If the ice that floats on the water melts, the ice does indeed
loose 10% of it's volume, but that is the 10% that was out of the
water. The melted water will have exactly the same volume as the ice
that was under the waterline, so the effect on the waterlevel will be
zero.
2. There is ice-formation on land. Especially in Antarctica and (qoute
from Wikepedia) "That is, approximately 61 percent of all fresh water
on the Earth is held in the Antarctic ice sheet, an amount equivalent
to 70 m of water in the world's oceans".
Worried now?
You should be!
Peter van Velzen
December 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
(that would overflow almost totally if the Antiarctica Ice-sheet was
to melt)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
03 Dec 2007 08:57:44 AM |
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On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:41:22 -0800, Richard Nibbler wrote:
The Arctic Ice Cap is melting but the Ice Cap is floating on the ocean
so it is fully displaced in water. This means when the Ice Cap is fully
melted the ocean level will actually decrease by about 10% of the total
volume of the entire Arctic Ice Cap.
I guess the question is why do the "experts" claim that the melting ice
will raise ocean levels.
Because they're talking about Antarctica and Greenland. Dumbass.
If the Ice were located on land and not
displaced in water then the melt would add to the volume of the ocean
but since the melt adds nothing to the volume of water because it is
floating in the water the ocean level cannot rise.
Do tell how adding more water to the ocean is unable to make the level of
that water rise.
I'm not too bright
Obviously.
so
could somebody please explain to me how melting {ocean ice} increases
ocean levels???
Remember, frozen water increases in total volume by about 10% and
decreases by the same amount. Now there are some Ice Caps in the
Northern regions such as Greenland which if melted could raise ocean
levels a bit but this in itself is interesting given that less than a
thousand years ago Greenland was Green (hence it's name).
It was not "green" you moron. The name was a deliberate misnomer.
The Oceans
must have been higher as little as 1000 years ago OR the Greenland Ice
was located somewhere else.
Or you're stupid.
Antarctica is a land mass with Ice on average 7000 feet thick and over 2
miles thick in some areas. The 6,000,000 cubic miles of ice in
Antarctica could raise ocean levels about 200 feet if it melted. But
this is unlikely since the average temperatures in Antarctica is about
-37F. Additionally the ice levels in the Antarctic are actually
increasing so perhaps the Arctic melt is winding up in the Antarctic.
Yet ice sheets have broken off into the ocean down there. And saying
"unlikely because the temperature is low" when we're talking about
temperatures increasing is beyond stupid.
Quite interesting. I'm actually looking forward to Global Warming since
during the last Warm period the Earth was covered by lush green jungles
and forests. The coastal waters in many areas were like a warm bath and
the oxygen levels of the atmosphere were much higher than they are
today.
You talk as if you think you would get to see such a thing were it to
happen. Transitions in climate can take centuries. And along the way,
cause mass extinctions. Some humans may survive but there won't be much
of anything left of our civilization.
Or the methane hydrate could start bubbling out of the ocean and cause a
runaway greenhouse effect and there won't be any humans around any more.
So should such a blissful climate be the ultimate outcome of global
warming some thousands of years in the future, I guess the roaches will
enjoy it...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"If the Bible proves that God exists then comic books prove
the existence of Superman."
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| User: "Pisano" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
03 Dec 2007 12:47:56 AM |
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On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 22:41:22 -0800 (PST), Richard Nibbler
<Richard.Nibler@gmail.com> wrote:
The Arctic Ice Cap is melting but the Ice Cap is floating on the ocean
so it is fully displaced in water. This means when the Ice Cap is
fully melted the ocean level will actually decrease by about 10% of
the total volume of the entire Arctic Ice Cap.
I guess the question is why do the "experts" claim that the melting
ice will raise ocean levels. If the Ice were located on land and not
displaced in water then the melt would add to the volume of the ocean
but since the melt adds nothing to the volume of water because it is
floating in the water the ocean level cannot rise. I'm not too bright
so could somebody please explain to me how melting {ocean ice}
increases ocean levels???
Remember, frozen water increases in total volume by about 10% and
decreases by the same amount. Now there are some Ice Caps in the
Northern regions such as Greenland which if melted could raise ocean
levels a bit but this in itself is interesting given that less than a
thousand years ago Greenland was Green (hence it's name). The Oceans
must have been higher as little as 1000 years ago OR the Greenland Ice
was located somewhere else.
Antarctica is a land mass with Ice on average 7000 feet thick and over
2 miles thick in some areas. The 6,000,000 cubic miles of ice in
Antarctica could raise ocean levels about 200 feet if it melted. But
this is unlikely since the average temperatures in Antarctica is about
-37F. Additionally the ice levels in the Antarctic are actually
increasing so perhaps the Arctic melt is winding up in the Antarctic.
Quite interesting. I'm actually looking forward to Global Warming
since during the last Warm period the Earth was covered by lush green
jungles and forests. The coastal waters in many areas were like a warm
bath and the oxygen levels of the atmosphere were much higher than
they are today.
Praise Natas!!!
You mispelled, "Santa", *****.
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| User: "Richard Nibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
03 Dec 2007 08:35:10 AM |
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On Dec 2, 11:47 pm, Pisano <kenpis...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 22:41:22 -0800 (PST), Richard Nibbler
<Richard.Nib...@gmail.com> wrote:
The Arctic Ice Cap is melting but the Ice Cap is floating on the ocean
so it is fully displaced in water. This means when the Ice Cap is
fully melted the ocean level will actually decrease by about 10% of
the total volume of the entire Arctic Ice Cap.
I guess the question is why do the "experts" claim that the melting
ice will raise ocean levels. If the Ice were located on land and not
displaced in water then the melt would add to the volume of the ocean
but since the melt adds nothing to the volume of water because it is
floating in the water the ocean level cannot rise. I'm not too bright
so could somebody please explain to me how melting {ocean ice}
increases ocean levels???
Remember, frozen water increases in total volume by about 10% and
decreases by the same amount. Now there are some Ice Caps in the
Northern regions such as Greenland which if melted could raise ocean
levels a bit but this in itself is interesting given that less than a
thousand years ago Greenland was Green (hence it's name). The Oceans
must have been higher as little as 1000 years ago OR the Greenland Ice
was located somewhere else.
Antarctica is a land mass with Ice on average 7000 feet thick and over
2 miles thick in some areas. The 6,000,000 cubic miles of ice in
Antarctica could raise ocean levels about 200 feet if it melted. But
this is unlikely since the average temperatures in Antarctica is about
-37F. Additionally the ice levels in the Antarctic are actually
increasing so perhaps the Arctic melt is winding up in the Antarctic.
Quite interesting. I'm actually looking forward to Global Warming
since during the last Warm period the Earth was covered by lush green
jungles and forests. The coastal waters in many areas were like a warm
bath and the oxygen levels of the atmosphere were much higher than
they are today.
Praise Natas!!!
You mispelled, "Santa", *****.
Praise Natas the Destroyer
Praise Natas the bringer of Death
Praise Natas!!!!!
Natas will rule the Earth. Submit to Natas or DIE!!!!!
Praise Natas!!!
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| User: "Pisano" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
03 Dec 2007 09:05:11 AM |
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On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 06:35:10 -0800 (PST), Richard Nibbler
<Richard.Nibler@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 2, 11:47 pm, Pisano <kenpis...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 22:41:22 -0800 (PST), Richard Nibbler
<Richard.Nib...@gmail.com> wrote:
The Arctic Ice Cap is melting but the Ice Cap is floating on the ocean
so it is fully displaced in water. This means when the Ice Cap is
fully melted the ocean level will actually decrease by about 10% of
the total volume of the entire Arctic Ice Cap.
I guess the question is why do the "experts" claim that the melting
ice will raise ocean levels. If the Ice were located on land and not
displaced in water then the melt would add to the volume of the ocean
but since the melt adds nothing to the volume of water because it is
floating in the water the ocean level cannot rise. I'm not too bright
so could somebody please explain to me how melting {ocean ice}
increases ocean levels???
Remember, frozen water increases in total volume by about 10% and
decreases by the same amount. Now there are some Ice Caps in the
Northern regions such as Greenland which if melted could raise ocean
levels a bit but this in itself is interesting given that less than a
thousand years ago Greenland was Green (hence it's name). The Oceans
must have been higher as little as 1000 years ago OR the Greenland Ice
was located somewhere else.
Antarctica is a land mass with Ice on average 7000 feet thick and over
2 miles thick in some areas. The 6,000,000 cubic miles of ice in
Antarctica could raise ocean levels about 200 feet if it melted. But
this is unlikely since the average temperatures in Antarctica is about
-37F. Additionally the ice levels in the Antarctic are actually
increasing so perhaps the Arctic melt is winding up in the Antarctic.
Quite interesting. I'm actually looking forward to Global Warming
since during the last Warm period the Earth was covered by lush green
jungles and forests. The coastal waters in many areas were like a warm
bath and the oxygen levels of the atmosphere were much higher than
they are today.
Praise Natas!!!
You mispelled, "Santa", *****.
Praise Natas the Destroyer
Praise Natas the bringer of Death
Praise Natas!!!!!
Natas will rule the Earth. Submit to Natas or DIE!!!!!
Praise Natas!!!
You're not very bright, are you?
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
03 Dec 2007 10:40:55 AM |
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 01:47:56 -0500, in alt.atheism , Pisano
<kenpisano@gmail.com> in <hj97l3hh5h5jecrlrar6phl0e1os6se67b@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 22:41:22 -0800 (PST), Richard Nibbler
<Richard.Nibler@gmail.com> wrote:
The Arctic Ice Cap is melting but the Ice Cap is floating on the ocean
so it is fully displaced in water. This means when the Ice Cap is
fully melted the ocean level will actually decrease by about 10% of
the total volume of the entire Arctic Ice Cap.
I guess the question is why do the "experts" claim that the melting
ice will raise ocean levels. If the Ice were located on land and not
displaced in water then the melt would add to the volume of the ocean
but since the melt adds nothing to the volume of water because it is
floating in the water the ocean level cannot rise. I'm not too bright
so could somebody please explain to me how melting {ocean ice}
increases ocean levels???
I will guess that you have never heard of Antarctica. Or Greenland.
Remember, frozen water increases in total volume by about 10% and
decreases by the same amount. Now there are some Ice Caps in the
Northern regions such as Greenland which if melted could raise ocean
levels a bit
A bit? Care to quantify that? According to several articles I have
seen there is enough ice in Greenland to raise ocean levels about 23
feet. That is more than a bit, that is enough to flood thousands of
square miles in *California alone*.
but this in itself is interesting given that less than a
thousand years ago Greenland was Green (hence it's name).
Green does not mean ice free, it means that the PR people wanted to
get more immigrants. But I suspect that you knew this.
The Oceans
must have been higher as little as 1000 years ago OR the Greenland Ice
was located somewhere else.
Antarctica is a land mass with Ice on average 7000 feet thick and over
2 miles thick in some areas. The 6,000,000 cubic miles of ice in
Antarctica could raise ocean levels about 200 feet if it melted. But
this is unlikely since the average temperatures in Antarctica is about
-37F. Additionally the ice levels in the Antarctic are actually
increasing so perhaps the Arctic melt is winding up in the Antarctic.
Actually the *overall* ice levels in Antarctica are shrinking. And the
average temp there is not actually all the relevant. Most of
Antarctica land is below sea level. When the shelf ice melts back to
that land the ocean will get under the ice cap and lift it up. There
will be catastrophic, in the truest sense of the word, rise in ocean
levels of many meters.
Quite interesting. I'm actually looking forward to Global Warming
since during the last Warm period the Earth was covered by lush green
jungles and forests. The coastal waters in many areas were like a warm
bath and the oxygen levels of the atmosphere were much higher than
they are today.
Praise Natas!!!
You mispelled, "Santa", *****.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
03 Dec 2007 11:14:06 AM |
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:40:55 -0500, Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 22:41:22 -0800 (PST), Richard Nibbler
<Richard.Nibler@gmail.com> wrote:
but this in itself is interesting given that less than a thousand years
ago Greenland was Green (hence it's name).
Green does not mean ice free, it means that the PR people wanted to get
more immigrants. But I suspect that you knew this.
This bit by "Nibbler" has me wondering if this isn't just some stupid
game s/he thinks is funny...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Oh Log Cabin, full of taste, my stomach is with thee.
Blessed are three among syrups..."
- Homer
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
03 Dec 2007 02:17:39 PM |
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:14:06 -0600, in alt.atheism , "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> in <N4SdnSrcK93DpMnanZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@giganews.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:40:55 -0500, Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 22:41:22 -0800 (PST), Richard Nibbler
<Richard.Nibler@gmail.com> wrote:
but this in itself is interesting given that less than a thousand years
ago Greenland was Green (hence it's name).
Green does not mean ice free, it means that the PR people wanted to get
more immigrants. But I suspect that you knew this.
This bit by "Nibbler" has me wondering if this isn't just some stupid
game s/he thinks is funny...
Likely. But I don't see Nibbler's posts directly. Could you post a
complete set of the headers from one of his posts? Thanks.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "satyr" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
04 Dec 2007 12:24:53 AM |
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On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 22:41:22 -0800 (PST), Richard Nibbler
<Richard.Nibler@gmail.com> wrote:
The Arctic Ice Cap is melting but the Ice Cap is floating on the ocean
so it is fully displaced in water. This means when the Ice Cap is
fully melted the ocean level will actually decrease by about 10% of
the total volume of the entire Arctic Ice Cap.
The melting of floating ice has no effect on the level of water.
The problem is the ice that isn't floating, for example, on Greenland.
I guess the question is why do the "experts" claim that the melting
ice will raise ocean levels. If the Ice were located on land and not
displaced in water then the melt would add to the volume of the ocean
but since the melt adds nothing to the volume of water because it is
floating in the water the ocean level cannot rise. I'm not too bright
so could somebody please explain to me how melting {ocean ice}
increases ocean levels???
Remember, frozen water increases in total volume by about 10% and
decreases by the same amount. Now there are some Ice Caps in the
Northern regions such as Greenland which if melted could raise ocean
levels a bit but this in itself is interesting given that less than a
thousand years ago Greenland was Green (hence it's name).
Are you competing in a stupidity contest? The ice sheet on Greenland
is over 100,000 years old.
http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/eismayewski.html
The Oceans
must have been higher as little as 1000 years ago OR the Greenland Ice
was located somewhere else.
Wrong, see above.
Antarctica is a land mass with Ice on average 7000 feet thick and over
2 miles thick in some areas. The 6,000,000 cubic miles of ice in
Antarctica could raise ocean levels about 200 feet if it melted. But
this is unlikely since the average temperatures in Antarctica is about
-37F. Additionally the ice levels in the Antarctic are actually
increasing so perhaps the Arctic melt is winding up in the Antarctic.
Quite interesting. I'm actually looking forward to Global Warming
since during the last Warm period the Earth was covered by lush green
jungles and forests. The coastal waters in many areas were like a warm
bath and the oxygen levels of the atmosphere were much higher than
they are today.
Well, if the ice melting off Greenland shuts down the gulf stream, you
are going to freeze your ***** off, depending on where you live.
--
satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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| User: "Sanitys Little Helper" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
03 Dec 2007 03:18:55 AM |
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Richard Nibbler <Richard.Nibler@gmail.com> wrote in news:6fac912d-b8e0-
49da-b1b6-2025f245d97a@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com to alt.atheism:
The Arctic Ice Cap is melting but the Ice Cap is floating on the ocean
so it is fully displaced in water. This means when the Ice Cap is
fully melted the ocean level will actually decrease by about 10% of
the total volume of the entire Arctic Ice Cap.
I guess the question is why do the "experts" claim that the melting
ice will raise ocean levels. If the Ice were located on land and not
displaced in water then the melt would add to the volume of the ocean
but since the melt adds nothing to the volume of water because it is
floating in the water the ocean level cannot rise. I'm not too bright
so could somebody please explain to me how melting {ocean ice}
increases ocean levels???
Remember, frozen water increases in total volume by about 10% and
decreases by the same amount. Now there are some Ice Caps in the
Northern regions such as Greenland which if melted could raise ocean
levels a bit but this in itself is interesting given that less than a
thousand years ago Greenland was Green (hence it's name). The Oceans
must have been higher as little as 1000 years ago OR the Greenland Ice
was located somewhere else.
Antarctica is a land mass with Ice on average 7000 feet thick and over
2 miles thick in some areas. The 6,000,000 cubic miles of ice in
Antarctica could raise ocean levels about 200 feet if it melted. But
this is unlikely since the average temperatures in Antarctica is about
-37F. Additionally the ice levels in the Antarctic are actually
increasing so perhaps the Arctic melt is winding up in the Antarctic.
Quite interesting. I'm actually looking forward to Global Warming
since during the last Warm period the Earth was covered by lush green
jungles and forests. The coastal waters in many areas were like a warm
bath and the oxygen levels of the atmosphere were much higher than
they are today.
Praise Natas!!!
Is anybody really this stupid? I mean, if you're going to act dumb, at
least make it convincing. You're no Jeremy Clarkson, that's for sure
Richard.
Beyond the above paragraph, I'm not going to dignify this topic with a
response, except to say: do your own research, learn the science, think
about where and how people actually live and realise that if you're
living in a developed society, you're going to have to accommodate them.
Bangladesh, for example, has a population half the size of the USA.
--
David Silverman C.B.E.
aa #2208
Lord Mayor of Awphucket
And now, today's sponsor message:
For the beluga caviar of stupidity, it's got to be...
Brian Carey.
Available in a newsgroup near you.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
03 Dec 2007 08:58:26 AM |
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:18:55 +0100, Sanity's Little Helper wrote:
Is anybody really this stupid?
I'm starting to wonder if this is some kind of idiotic and badly done
Usenet performance art...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Morality is doing what is right, no matter what you're
told. Religion is doing what you're told, not matter what
is right."
- Jerry Sturdivant
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
03 Dec 2007 03:44:03 PM |
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Richard Nibbler <Richard.Nibler@gmail.com> wrote in news:6fac912d-b8e0-
49da-b1b6-2025f245d97a@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
The Arctic Ice Cap is melting but the Ice Cap is floating on the ocean
so it is fully displaced in water. This means when the Ice Cap is
fully melted the ocean level will actually decrease by about 10% of
the total volume of the entire Arctic Ice Cap.
Nonsense. There is no significant change to sea level if floating ice
melts. Even the ancient Greeks knew that. Look up Archimedes principle. Ok
there is a very small second order affect but of no real consequence. The
issue of concern is the melting of land ice such as glaciers and the
Greenland and Antartic ice sheets.
Klazmon.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Global Warming and Melting Polar Ice Cap |
03 Dec 2007 12:57:36 PM |
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Richard Nibbler wrote:
The Arctic Ice Cap is melting but the Ice Cap is floating on the ocean
so it is fully displaced in water. This means when the Ice Cap is
fully melted the ocean level will actually decrease by about 10% of
the total volume of the entire Arctic Ice Cap.
Huh...decrease? How so? I would think it would stay the same.
I guess the question is why do the "experts" claim that the melting
ice will raise ocean levels. If the Ice were located on land and not
displaced in water then the melt would add to the volume of the ocean
but since the melt adds nothing to the volume of water because it is
floating in the water the ocean level cannot rise. I'm not too bright
so could somebody please explain to me how melting {ocean ice}
increases ocean levels???
Vectoring Rush nonsense again eh? The melting Arctic ice cap has its own
implications...decreased albedo and therefore increased energy absorption in
the Arctic which is right next to Greenland which contains about 10% of the
world's land-borne ice.
Remember, frozen water increases in total volume by about 10% and
decreases by the same amount. Now there are some Ice Caps in the
Northern regions such as Greenland which if melted could raise ocean
levels a bit but this in itself is interesting given that less than a
thousand years ago Greenland was Green (hence it's name). The Oceans
must have been higher as little as 1000 years ago OR the Greenland Ice
was located somewhere else.
Greenland was green (and still is) oin the coastline. The Greenland Ice
Sheet has been there for millions of years.
Antarctica is a land mass with Ice on average 7000 feet thick and over
2 miles thick in some areas. The 6,000,000 cubic miles of ice in
Antarctica could raise ocean levels about 200 feet if it melted. But
this is unlikely since the average temperatures in Antarctica is about
-37F.
Perhaps, but underneath the ice sheet, temperatures are warmer. In fact,
liquid water exists in lakes below the ice sheet. Even now, the pace that
the glaciers are moving to the sea is increasing.
Additionally the ice levels in the Antarctic are actually
increasing so perhaps the Arctic melt is winding up in the Antarctic.
Cite!
Quite interesting. I'm actually looking forward to Global Warming
since during the last Warm period the Earth was covered by lush green
jungles and forests. The coastal waters in many areas were like a warm
bath and the oxygen levels of the atmosphere were much higher than
they are today.
Well forget about those forests, sparky.
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