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30 Sep 2006 12:41:40 PM |
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God Allows Dog to Maul 4 Year Old |
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/9959428/detail.html
"A 4-year-boy survived a dog attack Thursday afternoon, KMBC's Martin
Augustine reported. Zachary Thomas and his sister had just come
outside of their grandmother's townhouse when a pit bull mix ran out of
its owner's home and up to the 4-year-old. Grandmother Wilma Adams ran
over to pull the dog away, which she said was as tall as her grandson."
I wonder what divine message this was supposed to convey to us? Ot
could it simply be that there is no loving god and ***** happens when
people drop their guard?
Budikka
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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30 Sep 2006 01:20:05 PM |
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Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in alt.atheism
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/9959428/detail.html
"A 4-year-boy survived a dog attack Thursday afternoon, KMBC's Martin
Augustine reported. Zachary Thomas and his sister had just come
outside of their grandmother's townhouse when a pit bull mix ran out of
its owner's home and up to the 4-year-old. Grandmother Wilma Adams ran
over to pull the dog away, which she said was as tall as her grandson."
I wonder what divine message this was supposed to convey to us? Ot
could it simply be that there is no loving god and ***** happens when
people drop their guard?
Maybe KC will do what Denver did?
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/07/06/denver_pit_bull_ban_draws_dog_lovers_ire/
"DENVER -- Within the last month, more than 200 pit bulls have been
plucked from the municipal animal shelter and euthanized as the city
cracks down on the sometimes-dangerous breed. That has sparked a
petition drive to overturn the pit bull ban and fueled a sort of
canine underground railroad in which dog lovers secretly ferry the
outlawed animals out of town."
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: God Allows Dog to Maul 4 Year Old |
30 Sep 2006 04:05:53 PM |
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:20:05 +0000, Elroy Willis wrote:
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in alt.atheism
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/9959428/detail.html
"A 4-year-boy survived a dog attack Thursday afternoon, KMBC's Martin
Augustine reported. Zachary Thomas and his sister had just come
outside of their grandmother's townhouse when a pit bull mix ran out of
its owner's home and up to the 4-year-old. Grandmother Wilma Adams ran
over to pull the dog away, which she said was as tall as her grandson."
I wonder what divine message this was supposed to convey to us? Ot
could it simply be that there is no loving god and ***** happens when
people drop their guard?
Maybe KC will do what Denver did?
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/07/06/denver_pit_bull_ban_draws_dog_lovers_ire/
"DENVER -- Within the last month, more than 200 pit bulls have been
plucked from the municipal animal shelter and euthanized as the city
cracks down on the sometimes-dangerous breed. That has sparked a
petition drive to overturn the pit bull ban and fueled a sort of
canine underground railroad in which dog lovers secretly ferry the
outlawed animals out of town."
We need a federal law banning breed specific legislation.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: God Allows Dog to Maul 4 Year Old |
30 Sep 2006 05:36:59 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in alt.atheism
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:20:05 +0000, Elroy Willis wrote:
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in alt.atheism
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/9959428/detail.html
"A 4-year-boy survived a dog attack Thursday afternoon, KMBC's Martin
Augustine reported. Zachary Thomas and his sister had just come
outside of their grandmother's townhouse when a pit bull mix ran out of
its owner's home and up to the 4-year-old. Grandmother Wilma Adams ran
over to pull the dog away, which she said was as tall as her grandson."
I wonder what divine message this was supposed to convey to us? Ot
could it simply be that there is no loving god and ***** happens when
people drop their guard?
Maybe KC will do what Denver did?
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/07/06/denver_pit_bull_ban_draws_dog_lovers_ire/
"DENVER -- Within the last month, more than 200 pit bulls have been
plucked from the municipal animal shelter and euthanized as the city
cracks down on the sometimes-dangerous breed. That has sparked a
petition drive to overturn the pit bull ban and fueled a sort of
canine underground railroad in which dog lovers secretly ferry the
outlawed animals out of town."
We need a federal law banning breed specific legislation.
I'm curious why you choose to have pit bulls in the first place. Did
you want a "tough" dog to protect you? Or did you just want to look
like a tough guy? Given the dozens and dozens of dog breeds out there
to choose from, why would you want to own a pit bull if it wasn't
because of their vicious reputations?
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: God Allows Dog to Maul 4 Year Old |
30 Sep 2006 07:10:02 PM |
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:36:59 +0000, Elroy Willis wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in alt.atheism
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:20:05 +0000, Elroy Willis wrote:
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in alt.atheism
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/9959428/detail.html
"A 4-year-boy survived a dog attack Thursday afternoon, KMBC's Martin
Augustine reported. Zachary Thomas and his sister had just come
outside of their grandmother's townhouse when a pit bull mix ran out of
its owner's home and up to the 4-year-old. Grandmother Wilma Adams ran
over to pull the dog away, which she said was as tall as her grandson."
I wonder what divine message this was supposed to convey to us? Ot
could it simply be that there is no loving god and ***** happens when
people drop their guard?
Maybe KC will do what Denver did?
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/07/06/denver_pit_bull_ban_draws_dog_lovers_ire/
"DENVER -- Within the last month, more than 200 pit bulls have been
plucked from the municipal animal shelter and euthanized as the city
cracks down on the sometimes-dangerous breed. That has sparked a
petition drive to overturn the pit bull ban and fueled a sort of
canine underground railroad in which dog lovers secretly ferry the
outlawed animals out of town."
We need a federal law banning breed specific legislation.
I'm curious why you choose to have pit bulls in the first place. Did
you want a "tough" dog to protect you? Or did you just want to look
like a tough guy?
Nope. For one thing, I inherited them from Bob.
Given the dozens and dozens of dog breeds out there
to choose from, why would you want to own a pit bull if it wasn't
because of their vicious reputations?
Their "vicious reputation" is a lie. I've never had dogs quite this
obedient, this loving, this playful, or this sweet tempered.
You know I have *never* had to "train" the full pit (one is mixed, I
suspect with Greyhound). Never.
House breaking consisted of showing him where the dog door was. When we
travel, I have to pay attention to stops because he'll hold it in without
a complaint until we get to a rest stop. The only shoes he's ever chewed
were Bob's old slippers after Bob died. Some time afterward at that. I
think he was realizing Bob wasn't coming back this time. I have to
"correct" him once for just about anything and that amounts to snapping
his name to let him know he's done something he shouldn't do. That's it.
And he's never been to any kind of dog training.
In something around five years now, he's snapped (not tried to bite, just
a "warning shot") at someone a total of three times. Once was a vet that
leaned in toward me, once was a nurse who leaned in to do something with
Bob, once was a guy I was talking to who started pounding on something (to
show me how to fix something) and Lucky got between us and snapped at the
guy.
(I should have been paying better attention, the guy was pounding loudly
on something close to me, Lucky didn't like that)
By the way, right now, I don't have a fence up and there's no dog door.
Lucky's way of telling me he needs to go out is to go stand quietly at the
door and wait.
Oh, just a moment ago, they did get to barking and one charged a neighbor.
We were outside--them on tie outs--and she came around the corner
unexpectedly. She was never in any danger as I make sure the tie outs
don't reach far enough to get to a neighbor who comes in the yard but she
did startle us all. You don't go unannounced into *any* yard with *any*
dog. All dogs are territorial and will protect their territory.
She said she just wasn't expecting there to be any dogs. They're quiet,
don't yap and howl all the time, and are well behaved. She didn't know I
*had* dogs.
Responsible dog owners (any dog) make sure the dogs cannot get to people
such as mail carriers (who all dogs take as a "threat" for some reason) or
the stray neighbor. Oh and don't act threateningly toward the owner.
But if I *let* you into the yard or house, the biggest "risk" you're
running is having 90 pounds of dog try to snuggle with you on the couch...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Tim McGaughy" |
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| Title: Re: God Allows Dog to Maul 4 Year Old |
01 Oct 2006 10:38:38 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In something around five years now, he's snapped (not tried to bite, just
a "warning shot") at someone a total of three times. Once was a vet that
leaned in toward me, once was a nurse who leaned in to do something with
Bob, once was a guy I was talking to who started pounding on something (to
show me how to fix something) and Lucky got between us and snapped at the
guy.
Umm... Gotta cut in here for a moment.
In the nearly five years I've owned my mutt Theo, he has not ever
snapped at ANYONE. Ever.
Three times in five years is three times too many, IMO.
Oh, just a moment ago, they did get to barking and one charged a neighbor.
My dog has never charged anyone, either.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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01 Oct 2006 02:20:30 PM |
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On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 05:38:38 -0500, Tim McGaughy wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In something around five years now, he's snapped (not tried to bite, just
a "warning shot") at someone a total of three times. Once was a vet that
leaned in toward me, once was a nurse who leaned in to do something with
Bob, once was a guy I was talking to who started pounding on something (to
show me how to fix something) and Lucky got between us and snapped at the
guy.
Umm... Gotta cut in here for a moment.
In the nearly five years I've owned my mutt Theo, he has not ever
snapped at ANYONE. Ever.
Three times in five years is three times too many, IMO.
Is he a rescue dog that had abusive owners?
The dog's only experience of other people is they were abusive. He is
*fiercely loyal to me (and Bob when he was alive). All three times were
oddball circumstances where he was already nervous and/or upset. All three
incidents seemed--to him--to involve somebody strange person doing strange
things getting too close to myself or to Bob. Or the last one, in the
middle of all the chaos of the move (and I could tell it was confusing him
to leave his home of three years), somebody was banging loudly on a hand
truck it close to me.
In none of the cases did he try to bite.
Yeah, I have to be a little careful with Lucky. But given his history, he's
socialized very, very well.
By the way, you also have to realize that it hasn't been that long since
he seemed to have realized that Bob wasn't coming back. Bob could be gone
long stretches for hospital stays or such but he always came back. Not
this time. Of the only two people who have treated Lucky well in his life,
one has disappeared and he's a dog, you can't explain it to him.
Expecting him to behave as a dog raised from a puppy by people who took
care of him is unreasonable.
By the way, the last kennel he was in during some of the moving chaos does
rescue work which is one of the main reasons I picked them (people who do
rescue work for one are serious dog lovers, for two understand dogs with
histories). They said they didn't have any trouble. In fact, of the rescue
dogs they were dealing with, he was by comparison quite well behaved.
(Far better, in fact, than the hard case they were working with that bit
two of the people who worked there though they were trying to break up a
dog fight)
Far as the "charging" incident, that was the big guy. Who generally loves
everybody. But he's been in a new yard for all of, what, a week? Less? And
the neighbor popped around a corner unannounced, startling us all. I don't
believe for a second he would have actually done anything. He's just
excitable. But that's part of my point, I'm not taking chances. This is a
new yard in a new place and he's a *dog. He doesn't (yet) know who's okay
and who isn't. In fact, it's just now sinking into their tiny dog brains
that this is permanent. They just now stopped going to the truck,
expecting to go home.
Don't forget, I have *rescue dogs. They were adults when Bob got them. A
lot of their socialization happened before they arrived in our household
and, hence, was beyond our control. Knowing these two, if we (or I) had
obtained them as puppies and raised them, they'd be even calmer.
Finally, dogs are dogs. On the way here last time, I was listening to a
Beaumont radio station talking about a local story in which a police
trained German Shepherd attacked and killed an infant in the home of the
cop that cared for him.
A police trained dog.
My reaction was, what kind of fricking idiot allows a dog around an infant
in the first place?
It's simple dog logic. Newcomer to the pack has to learn his place. Or it
was basic predator instinct. Either way, *don't *do *that. Socializing any
dog to accept a new member of the household (canine or human) is something
you have to *do. You don't just let cute baby pull on doggies' ears.
That is, in a word, STUPID.
This is why, despite wanting a pit puppy, I don't get one. Our little pack
has an established hierarchy (me, Blaze, Lucky, in that order) and
introducing a new member after an unsettling period and a move would be
idiotic.
Oh, just a moment ago, they did get to barking and one charged a
neighbor.
My dog has never charged anyone, either.
Well, have a member of the dog's household die, then spend weeks emptying
out the house, then bounce between the old house and the new one a few
times with kennel stays in the mix, introduce him to a totally new yard,
then have a stranger come suddenly around a corner, unannounced,
unexpected, and then get back to me.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Tim McGaughy" |
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02 Oct 2006 04:26:58 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 05:38:38 -0500, Tim McGaughy wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In something around five years now, he's snapped (not tried to bite, just
a "warning shot") at someone a total of three times. Once was a vet that
leaned in toward me, once was a nurse who leaned in to do something with
Bob, once was a guy I was talking to who started pounding on something (to
show me how to fix something) and Lucky got between us and snapped at the
guy.
Umm... Gotta cut in here for a moment.
In the nearly five years I've owned my mutt Theo, he has not ever
snapped at ANYONE. Ever.
Three times in five years is three times too many, IMO.
Is he a rescue dog that had abusive owners?
No, he's not a rescue dog. That's far from relevant.
He was a stray, and judging from his reaction when a friend picked up a
stick and tried to teach him to fetch, yes, he appears to have been abused.
The dog's only experience of other people is they were abusive.
Then it's not his fault, I suppose. That doesn't alter the fact that
three times in five years is three too many.
Far as the "charging" incident, that was the big guy. Who generally loves
everybody. But he's been in a new yard for all of, what, a week? Less? And
the neighbor popped around a corner unannounced, startling us all.
Irrelevant. There's no excuse for a charging dog.
My reaction was, what kind of fricking idiot allows a dog around an infant
in the first place?
I do, and I'm not an idiot, thanks. We had no problem allowing Theo
around our infant child because we had no problems with him dead stop.
Oh, just a moment ago, they did get to barking and one charged a
neighbor.
My dog has never charged anyone, either.
Well, have a member of the dog's household die, then spend weeks emptying
out the house, then bounce between the old house and the new one a few
Irrelevant. You have no idea what my dog's been through. I don't know
myself, but I know he has a chipped canine and that he freaked and ran
to hide when approached with a stick.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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02 Oct 2006 03:44:59 PM |
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On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:26:58 -0500, Tim McGaughy wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 05:38:38 -0500, Tim McGaughy wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In something around five years now, he's snapped (not tried to bite, just
a "warning shot") at someone a total of three times. Once was a vet that
leaned in toward me, once was a nurse who leaned in to do something with
Bob, once was a guy I was talking to who started pounding on something (to
show me how to fix something) and Lucky got between us and snapped at the
guy.
Umm... Gotta cut in here for a moment.
In the nearly five years I've owned my mutt Theo, he has not ever
snapped at ANYONE. Ever.
Three times in five years is three times too many, IMO.
Is he a rescue dog that had abusive owners?
No, he's not a rescue dog. That's far from relevant.
Of course it's relevant. Rescue dogs have all kinds of histories, rarely
good ones, it shapes who they are. Many can't be socialized at all and
have to be put down.
He was a stray, and judging from his reaction when a friend picked up a
stick and tried to teach him to fetch, yes, he appears to have been abused.
The dog's only experience of other people is they were abusive.
Then it's not his fault, I suppose. That doesn't alter the fact that
three times in five years is three too many.
Well, I'll get back to you when your opinion on the matter becomes
relevant.
Don't hold your breath.
Far as the "charging" incident, that was the big guy. Who generally loves
everybody. But he's been in a new yard for all of, what, a week? Less? And
the neighbor popped around a corner unannounced, startling us all.
Irrelevant. There's no excuse for a charging dog.
Hate to break it to you but all dogs are, by nature, territorial.
My reaction was, what kind of fricking idiot allows a dog around an infant
in the first place?
I do, and I'm not an idiot, thanks. We had no problem allowing Theo
around our infant child because we had no problems with him dead stop.
I'm sure that's what the cop said too.
Dogs are descended of wolves, are pack animals, and predators. And I hate
to tell you this but actual dog trainers who are experts in such warn that
dog behavior around a new member of a household is unpredictable. There
are steps you must take to acclimate the dog to the infant. People who say
"oh he loves children" quite often end up racing to the hospital.
In fact, 60% of all dog bites in the US each year involve children and 90%
of those happen at home.
Oh, just a moment ago, they did get to barking and one charged a
neighbor.
My dog has never charged anyone, either.
Well, have a member of the dog's household die, then spend weeks emptying
out the house, then bounce between the old house and the new one a few
Irrelevant. You have no idea what my dog's been through. I don't know
myself, but I know he has a chipped canine and that he freaked and ran
to hide when approached with a stick.
No, it's not irrelevant. Dogs have emotional lives also, they're not
mechanical windup toys. Our entire household has been under severe stress
for months, one of their owners died, they've been in and out of a kennel
during the move, couldn't figure out why we weren't going "home," and some
stranger pops around a corner unannounced. What do you think they were
supposed to do? Sit there and drool?
Not a single vet, dog trainer, nor kennel owner has found anything unusual
in the behavior of my dogs except in the sense that the smaller one has
recovered extremely well for a dog with his history. If he has a flaw,
it's being intensely loyal. And while he's snapped at a couple of people
who made what *he thought to be threatening moves, he has *never bitten
anybody. He's never even tried to bite. Only warn.
Whereas, over the years, I've been seriously threatened by some neighbors'
dogs and the only reason I wasn't bit is I know how to react.
I lived for three years next door to a family that had a Rott mix who they
did not raise properly and who had to be kept in a small--but very
tall--kennel most of the time against which he would *throw himself trying
to get to me if I so much as went around my garage. And I was next door
from day one when that dog was a puppy.
That is a poorly raised dog.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Tim McGaughy" |
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| Title: Re: God Allows Dog to Maul 4 Year Old |
03 Oct 2006 02:17:37 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:26:58 -0500, Tim McGaughy wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 05:38:38 -0500, Tim McGaughy wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In something around five years now, he's snapped (not tried to bite, just
a "warning shot") at someone a total of three times. Once was a vet that
leaned in toward me, once was a nurse who leaned in to do something with
Bob, once was a guy I was talking to who started pounding on something (to
show me how to fix something) and Lucky got between us and snapped at the
guy.
Umm... Gotta cut in here for a moment.
In the nearly five years I've owned my mutt Theo, he has not ever
snapped at ANYONE. Ever.
Three times in five years is three times too many, IMO.
Is he a rescue dog that had abusive owners?
No, he's not a rescue dog. That's far from relevant.
Of course it's relevant.
Of course it's not.
If Theo had snapped at someone once, I'd have gotten rid of him. I would
expect a responsible owner with a dog that snapped at someone to keep
that dog contained and away from where someone could just wander around
a corner and find herself unexpectedly in its territory.
Rescue dogs have all kinds of histories, rarely
good ones, it shapes who they are. Many can't be socialized at all and
have to be put down.
I'll remind you again that you have no idea what Theo's history is.
He was a stray, and judging from his reaction when a friend picked up a
stick and tried to teach him to fetch, yes, he appears to have been abused.
The dog's only experience of other people is they were abusive.
Then it's not his fault, I suppose. That doesn't alter the fact that
three times in five years is three too many.
Well, I'll get back to you when your opinion on the matter becomes
relevant.
It's as relevant as yours, you little *****.
Far as the "charging" incident, that was the big guy. Who generally loves
everybody. But he's been in a new yard for all of, what, a week? Less? And
the neighbor popped around a corner unannounced, startling us all.
Irrelevant. There's no excuse for a charging dog.
Hate to break it to you but all dogs are, by nature, territorial.
Not all dogs charge, Sparky. Mine has never charged. A friend has a
Bernese Mountain dog that has never charged, never snapped, only ever
barked to announce someone's presence. Another friend has a female Rott
that just wandered into his neon shop one day. She's very sociable, and
his house underwent a string of robberies during which she must have
slobbered all over the burglar for attention while he was inside. He was
comfortable enough with the idea of returning 3 or 4 times before he was
finally caught.
Don't speak of things you know jack ***** about, Sparky.
My reaction was, what kind of fricking idiot allows a dog around an infant
in the first place?
I do, and I'm not an idiot, thanks. We had no problem allowing Theo
around our infant child because we had no problems with him dead stop.
I'm sure that's what the cop said too.
Was this a police dog?
Dogs are descended of wolves, are pack animals, and predators. And I hate
to tell you this but actual dog trainers who are experts in such warn that
dog behavior around a new member of a household is unpredictable. There
are steps you must take to acclimate the dog to the infant. People who say
"oh he loves children" quite often end up racing to the hospital.
In fact, 60% of all dog bites in the US each year involve children and 90%
of those happen at home.
You're spinning, and I'm sure you know it. You have no idea how many of
those dog attacks involved a dog that has shown absolutely no violent
behavior before.
Come back when you've got something relevant.
Oh, just a moment ago, they did get to barking and one charged a
neighbor.
My dog has never charged anyone, either.
Well, have a member of the dog's household die, then spend weeks emptying
out the house, then bounce between the old house and the new one a few
Irrelevant. You have no idea what my dog's been through. I don't know
myself, but I know he has a chipped canine and that he freaked and ran
to hide when approached with a stick.
No, it's not irrelevant.
Yes it is. Again, you don't know what Theo's experiences are. He has
certainly been beaten, and this certainly did not enhance his tendency
to charge or snap.
Dogs have emotional lives also, they're not
mechanical windup toys. Our entire household has been under severe stress
for months, one of their owners died, they've been in and out of a kennel
during the move, couldn't figure out why we weren't going "home," and some
stranger pops around a corner unannounced. What do you think they were
supposed to do? Sit there and drool?
Yes.
Alternatively, since you seem to think you should have expected them to
charge, you should have kept them somewhere where a stranger couldn't
stumble on them unexpectedly. But that's me expecting you to be
responsible. Too much to ask, I know.
Not a single vet, dog trainer, nor kennel owner has found anything unusual
in the behavior of my dogs except in the sense that the smaller one has
recovered extremely well for a dog with his history. If he has a flaw,
it's being intensely loyal. And while he's snapped at a couple of people
who made what *he thought to be threatening moves, he has *never bitten
anybody. He's never even tried to bite. Only warn.
Snapping is a dog's way of expressing that he wants to bite, but can't
quite get up the nerve. When he finally does, you'll be one of those
people who says "But he was a nice dog, and it was so unexpected."
Whereas, over the years, I've been seriously threatened by some neighbors'
dogs and the only reason I wasn't bit is I know how to react.
Oh, come on, they were just charging and snapping. No big deal, right?
I lived for three years next door to a family that had a Rott mix who they
did not raise properly and who had to be kept in a small--but very
tall--kennel most of the time against which he would *throw himself trying
to get to me if I so much as went around my garage. And I was next door
from day one when that dog was a puppy.
That is a poorly raised dog.
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04 Oct 2006 01:26:14 AM |
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On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:17:37 -0500, Tim McGaughy wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Dogs have emotional lives also, they're not
mechanical windup toys. Our entire household has been under severe stress
for months, one of their owners died, they've been in and out of a kennel
during the move, couldn't figure out why we weren't going "home," and some
stranger pops around a corner unannounced. What do you think they were
supposed to do? Sit there and drool?
Yes.
You're a prime candidate for a dog bite.
Alternatively, since you seem to think you should have expected them to
charge, you should have kept them somewhere where a stranger couldn't
stumble on them unexpectedly. But that's me expecting you to be
responsible. Too much to ask, I know.
They were in MY yard in front of MY house on tie outs.
Dumbass.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Tim McGaughy" |
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04 Oct 2006 03:13:36 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:17:37 -0500, Tim McGaughy wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Dogs have emotional lives also, they're not
mechanical windup toys. Our entire household has been under severe stress
for months, one of their owners died, they've been in and out of a kennel
during the move, couldn't figure out why we weren't going "home," and some
stranger pops around a corner unannounced. What do you think they were
supposed to do? Sit there and drool?
Yes.
You're a prime candidate for a dog bite.
I don't have the dogs that snap at people, Sparky.
Alternatively, since you seem to think you should have expected them to
charge, you should have kept them somewhere where a stranger couldn't
stumble on them unexpectedly. But that's me expecting you to be
responsible. Too much to ask, I know.
They were in MY yard in front of MY house on tie outs.
You'd have a point if they were in your yard in BACK of your house. I
guess you don't care if some kid wanders up to pet the dogs and gets maimed.
Dumbass.
Nice tagline. It suits you.
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03 Oct 2006 09:40:26 PM |
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Tim McGaughy wrote:
<a load of bollocks snipped>
Could someone please set a pack of angry dobermans on this idiot, he is
starting to annoy me.
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04 Oct 2006 03:09:58 AM |
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Lucifer wrote:
Tim McGaughy wrote:
<a load of bollocks snipped>
Could someone please set a pack of angry dobermans on this idiot, he is
starting to annoy me.
Like I give a ***** whether I make yer brain hurt from trying to think.
You don't want to be annoyed, maybe you can pull that big nose of yours
out of someone else's argument.
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04 Oct 2006 01:27:12 AM |
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On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:40:26 -0700, Lucifer wrote:
Tim McGaughy wrote:
<a load of bollocks snipped>
Could someone please set a pack of angry dobermans on this idiot, he is
starting to annoy me.
Don't worry, he's a prime candidate for a dog bite. He's fucking clueless
about the animals...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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04 Oct 2006 03:10:46 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:40:26 -0700, Lucifer wrote:
Tim McGaughy wrote:
<a load of bollocks snipped>
Could someone please set a pack of angry dobermans on this idiot, he is
starting to annoy me.
Don't worry, he's a prime candidate for a dog bite. He's fucking clueless
about the animals...
says the jackass who thinks nothing of it when his dogs charge at someone.
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04 Oct 2006 03:53:45 PM |
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Tim McGaughy wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:40:26 -0700, Lucifer wrote:
Tim McGaughy wrote:
<a load of bollocks snipped>
Could someone please set a pack of angry dobermans on this idiot, he is
starting to annoy me.
Don't worry, he's a prime candidate for a dog bite. He's fucking clueless
about the animals...
says the jackass who thinks nothing of it when his dogs charge at someone.
Once, when stressed, in his own yard, and no damage was done.
--
Lucifer, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and General
Purpose Igor
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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07 Oct 2006 01:39:48 PM |
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Lucifer wrote:
Tim McGaughy wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:40:26 -0700, Lucifer wrote:
Tim McGaughy wrote:
<a load of bollocks snipped>
Could someone please set a pack of angry dobermans on this idiot, he is
starting to annoy me.
Don't worry, he's a prime candidate for a dog bite. He's fucking clueless
about the animals...
says the jackass who thinks nothing of it when his dogs charge at someone.
Once, when stressed, in his own yard, and no damage was done.
"Nobody was hurt when the dynamite went off this time..."
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30 Sep 2006 02:07:12 PM |
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Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
There is a parasitic worm in West Africa that bores through the eyes of
children and causes total blindness for the rest of their lives. This is the
work of an all caring and loving god???
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a
miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious affiliation?
"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:vdrsh2hr45loikbdop3ookv1e2tmnfi6vj@4ax.com...
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in alt.atheism
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/9959428/detail.html
"A 4-year-boy survived a dog attack Thursday afternoon, KMBC's Martin
Augustine reported. Zachary Thomas and his sister had just come
outside of their grandmother's townhouse when a pit bull mix ran out of
its owner's home and up to the 4-year-old. Grandmother Wilma Adams ran
over to pull the dog away, which she said was as tall as her grandson."
I wonder what divine message this was supposed to convey to us? Ot
could it simply be that there is no loving god and ***** happens when
people drop their guard?
Maybe KC will do what Denver did?
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/07/06/denver_pit_bull_ban_draws_dog_lovers_ire/
"DENVER -- Within the last month, more than 200 pit bulls have been
plucked from the municipal animal shelter and euthanized as the city
cracks down on the sometimes-dangerous breed. That has sparked a
petition drive to overturn the pit bull ban and fueled a sort of
canine underground railroad in which dog lovers secretly ferry the
outlawed animals out of town."
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Chris Marx c/o www.paf.li" |
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30 Sep 2006 02:27:37 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:HRuTg.39724$KR1.23896@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
Why
Because she's an irascible female? Or a Hermaphrodite? An atheist?
does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish
millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
There is a parasitic worm in West Africa that bores through the eyes of
children and causes total blindness for the rest of their lives. This is
the
work of an all caring and loving god???
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent
children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a
miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious
affiliation?
"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:vdrsh2hr45loikbdop3ookv1e2tmnfi6vj@4ax.com...
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in alt.atheism
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/9959428/detail.html
"A 4-year-boy survived a dog attack Thursday afternoon, KMBC's Martin
Augustine reported. Zachary Thomas and his sister had just come
outside of their grandmother's townhouse when a pit bull mix ran out of
its owner's home and up to the 4-year-old. Grandmother Wilma Adams ran
over to pull the dog away, which she said was as tall as her grandson."
I wonder what divine message this was supposed to convey to us? Ot
could it simply be that there is no loving god and ***** happens when
people drop their guard?
Maybe KC will do what Denver did?
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/07/06/denver_pit_bull_ban_draws_dog_lovers_ire/
"DENVER -- Within the last month, more than 200 pit bulls have been
plucked from the municipal animal shelter and euthanized as the city
cracks down on the sometimes-dangerous breed. That has sparked a
petition drive to overturn the pit bull ban and fueled a sort of
canine underground railroad in which dog lovers secretly ferry the
outlawed animals out of town."
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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30 Sep 2006 02:22:58 PM |
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Bill M <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
There is a parasitic worm in West Africa that bores through the eyes of
children and causes total blindness for the rest of their lives. This is the
work of an all caring and loving god???
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a
miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious affiliation?
Those are all good questions, but you're preaching to or asking the
atheist choir here. :)
I believe there's no god out there to help prevent or change any of
those things. We have to do everything ourselves if we want anything
done about them.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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01 Oct 2006 06:23:01 AM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/9959428/detail.html
"A 4-year-boy survived a dog attack Thursday afternoon, KMBC's Martin
Augustine reported. Zachary Thomas and his sister had just come
outside of their grandmother's townhouse when a pit bull mix ran out of
its owner's home and up to the 4-year-old. Grandmother Wilma Adams ran
over to pull the dog away, which she said was as tall as her grandson."
I wonder what divine message this was supposed to convey to us? Ot
could it simply be that there is no loving god and ***** happens when
people drop their guard?
Budikka
SSSShhhhhh you are not supposed to raise this kind of question, it really
gets them upset. Why - on occasions they will even reply with frustrated
nasty comments.
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01 Oct 2006 12:26:59 PM |
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bob young wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/9959428/detail.html
"A 4-year-boy survived a dog attack Thursday afternoon, KMBC's Martin
Augustine reported. Zachary Thomas and his sister had just come
outside of their grandmother's townhouse when a pit bull mix ran out of
its owner's home and up to the 4-year-old. Grandmother Wilma Adams ran
over to pull the dog away, which she said was as tall as her grandson."
I wonder what divine message this was supposed to convey to us? Ot
could it simply be that there is no loving god and ***** happens when
people drop their guard?
Budikka
SSSShhhhhh you are not supposed to raise this kind of question, it really
gets them upset. Why - on occasions they will even reply with frustrated
nasty comments.
Theists? Get nasty? Ne-eve-er!
I can give as good as I get when they merit it, though.
Budikka
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| User: "quibbler" |
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30 Sep 2006 01:10:32 PM |
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In article <1159620100.285457.56820@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
budikka1@netscape.net says...
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/9959428/detail.html
"A 4-year-boy survived a dog attack Thursday afternoon, KMBC's Martin
Augustine reported. Zachary Thomas and his sister had just come
outside of their grandmother's townhouse when a pit bull mix ran out of
its owner's home and up to the 4-year-old. Grandmother Wilma Adams ran
over to pull the dog away, which she said was as tall as her grandson."
I wonder what divine message this was supposed to convey to us?
His apparent message was that interfering with the "free will" of the pit
bull would be completely unacceptable in his eyes and that he would
rather have the child horrifically scarred for life than to actually do
his job and use his powers for the protection and betterment of his
alleged "children".
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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30 Sep 2006 02:46:41 PM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
budikka1@netscape.net says...
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/9959428/detail.html
"A 4-year-boy survived a dog attack Thursday afternoon, KMBC's Martin
Augustine reported. Zachary Thomas and his sister had just come
outside of their grandmother's townhouse when a pit bull mix ran out of
its owner's home and up to the 4-year-old. Grandmother Wilma Adams ran
over to pull the dog away, which she said was as tall as her grandson."
I wonder what divine message this was supposed to convey to us?
His apparent message was that interfering with the "free will" of the pit
bull would be completely unacceptable in his eyes and that he would
rather have the child horrifically scarred for life than to actually do
his job and use his powers for the protection and betterment of his
alleged "children".
What should the god have done? Send down a lightning bolt to kill the
pit bull just before it attacked the child? Create a dog virus that
kills off only pit bulls and other vicious type dogs?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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30 Sep 2006 04:43:04 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
budikka1@netscape.net says...
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/9959428/detail.html
"A 4-year-boy survived a dog attack Thursday afternoon, KMBC's
Martin Augustine reported. Zachary Thomas and his sister had just
come outside of their grandmother's townhouse when a pit bull mix
ran out of its owner's home and up to the 4-year-old. Grandmother
Wilma Adams ran over to pull the dog away, which she said was as
tall as her grandson."
I wonder what divine message this was supposed to convey to us?
His apparent message was that interfering with the "free will" of
the pit bull would be completely unacceptable in his eyes and that
he would rather have the child horrifically scarred for life than to
actually do his job and use his powers for the protection and
betterment of his alleged "children".
What should the god have done? Send down a lightning bolt to kill the
pit bull just before it attacked the child? Create a dog virus that
kills off only pit bulls and other vicious type dogs?
It could do as much as "Grandmother Wilma Adams [who] ran over to pull the
dog away."
That's what a loving creature would do.
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30 Sep 2006 05:29:14 PM |
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Mike Painter <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
budikka1@netscape.net says...
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/9959428/detail.html
"A 4-year-boy survived a dog attack Thursday afternoon, KMBC's
Martin Augustine reported. Zachary Thomas and his sister had just
come outside of their grandmother's townhouse when a pit bull mix
ran out of its owner's home and up to the 4-year-old. Grandmother
Wilma Adams ran over to pull the dog away, which she said was as
tall as her grandson."
I wonder what divine message this was supposed to convey to us?
His apparent message was that interfering with the "free will" of
the pit bull would be completely unacceptable in his eyes and that
he would rather have the child horrifically scarred for life than to
actually do his job and use his powers for the protection and
betterment of his alleged "children".
What should the god have done? Send down a lightning bolt to kill the
pit bull just before it attacked the child? Create a dog virus that
kills off only pit bulls and other vicious type dogs?
It could do as much as "Grandmother Wilma Adams [who] ran over to
pull the dog away." That's what a loving creature would do.
Swoop down from the sky and snatch the child out of the jaws
of the pit bull, like Superman or Underdog or Mightymouse
"Here I am to save the day!"
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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30 Sep 2006 11:05:21 PM |
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In article <f0ath2dqi856so97e0md6kt4vfn0pc8e13@4ax.com>,
elroywillis@swbell.net says...
Mike Painter <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
budikka1@netscape.net says...
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/9959428/detail.html
"A 4-year-boy survived a dog attack Thursday afternoon, KMBC's
Martin Augustine reported. Zachary Thomas and his sister had just
come outside of their grandmother's townhouse when a pit bull mix
ran out of its owner's home and up to the 4-year-old. Grandmother
Wilma Adams ran over to pull the dog away, which she said was as
tall as her grandson."
I wonder what divine message this was supposed to convey to us?
His apparent message was that interfering with the "free will" of
the pit bull would be completely unacceptable in his eyes and that
he would rather have the child horrifically scarred for life than to
actually do his job and use his powers for the protection and
betterment of his alleged "children".
What should the god have done? Send down a lightning bolt to kill the
pit bull just before it attacked the child? Create a dog virus that
kills off only pit bulls and other vicious type dogs?
It could do as much as "Grandmother Wilma Adams [who] ran over to
pull the dog away." That's what a loving creature would do.
Swoop down from the sky and snatch the child out of the jaws
of the pit bull, like Superman or Underdog or Mightymouse
How about just give the kid a premonition not to go outside or to go
watch cartoons instead?
"Here I am to save the day!"
I believe that is in the job description of the self-proclaimed savior-
gods, like Jebus. I know that god has a super-dooper secret reason that
he needs to preserve his super-hero secret identity and can't just
directly intervene in people's lives. But he could still easily operate
behind the scenes (with his infinite power and all) and make it look
completely natural for the dog to get stung by a bee or something, in
order to deter an attack. I mean, I bet the kid and his parents were
probably xians, since most people in the US are and I thought Jebus was
supposed to love little children.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "bob young" |
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01 Oct 2006 06:25:02 AM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
budikka1@netscape.net says...
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/9959428/detail.html
"A 4-year-boy survived a dog attack Thursday afternoon, KMBC's Martin
Augustine reported. Zachary Thomas and his sister had just come
outside of their grandmother's townhouse when a pit bull mix ran out of
its owner's home and up to the 4-year-old. Grandmother Wilma Adams ran
over to pull the dog away, which she said was as tall as her grandson."
I wonder what divine message this was supposed to convey to us?
His apparent message was that interfering with the "free will" of the pit
bull would be completely unacceptable in his eyes and that he would
rather have the child horrifically scarred for life than to actually do
his job and use his powers for the protection and betterment of his
alleged "children".
What should the god have done? Send down a lightning bolt to kill the
pit bull just before it attacked the child? Create a dog virus that
kills off only pit bulls and other vicious type dogs?
Well you are the ones that dream up all the things He can do, no point asking
atheists
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "quibbler" |
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30 Sep 2006 11:00:40 PM |
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In article <0vvsh2t3mfb7s94hi22dk3erserglkau1h@4ax.com>,
elroywillis@swbell.net says...
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
budikka1@netscape.net says...
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/9959428/detail.html
"A 4-year-boy survived a dog attack Thursday afternoon, KMBC's Martin
Augustine reported. Zachary Thomas and his sister had just come
outside of their grandmother's townhouse when a pit bull mix ran out of
its owner's home and up to the 4-year-old. Grandmother Wilma Adams ran
over to pull the dog away, which she said was as tall as her grandson."
I wonder what divine message this was supposed to convey to us?
His apparent message was that interfering with the "free will" of the pit
bull would be completely unacceptable in his eyes and that he would
rather have the child horrifically scarred for life than to actually do
his job and use his powers for the protection and betterment of his
alleged "children".
What should the god have done?
Just cause the dog to stop short of actually attacking, I'd imagine. It
can run up to the kid and growl and all that, but still not chomp on him.
Send down a lightning bolt to kill the
pit bull just before it attacked the child?
He could have made it sprain it's ankle or step on a sticker, or better
yet, just not have such a vicious personality.
Create a dog virus that
kills off only pit bulls and other vicious type dogs?
Hey, an infinitely powerful, all-wise being should be able to figure out.
Why should I have to do god's job for him by recommending courses of
action.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| Title: Re: God Allows Dog to Maul 4 Year Old |
30 Sep 2006 04:05:10 PM |
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:46:41 +0000, Elroy Willis wrote:
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
budikka1@netscape.net says...
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/9959428/detail.html
"A 4-year-boy survived a dog attack Thursday afternoon, KMBC's Martin
Augustine reported. Zachary Thomas and his sister had just come
outside of their grandmother's townhouse when a pit bull mix ran out of
its owner's home and up to the 4-year-old. Grandmother Wilma Adams ran
over to pull the dog away, which she said was as tall as her grandson."
I wonder what divine message this was supposed to convey to us?
His apparent message was that interfering with the "free will" of the pit
bull would be completely unacceptable in his eyes and that he would
rather have the child horrifically scarred for life than to actually do
his job and use his powers for the protection and betterment of his
alleged "children".
What should the god have done? Send down a lightning bolt to kill the
pit bull just before it attacked the child? Create a dog virus that
kills off only pit bulls and other vicious type dogs?
Pit bulls are not vicious. Humans are vicious.
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Mark K. Bilbo
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Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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