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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"JTEM"
Date:	24 Sep 2007 04:01:02 AM
Object:	God and the stupid "Rock" argument

Here's the thing. You're not going to sway any theists
with a seriously lame argument, one so lame that it
wouldn't convince an atheist who was the least bit
skeptical.
"Can God create a rock so heavy that even he can't
lift it?'
I hate to answer a question with a question, but sometimes
it's just appropriate: Is "God" supposed to be corporeal?
And that's a rhetorical question. The question is so obviously
"No" that I'm wasting my time typing this out. But...
Is "God" supposed to be able to take on a corporeal form?
Oh. That's another rhetorical question. See, because
you're all so familiar with Christianity & Christians, you
know that "God" isn't only supposed to be able to take
on a corporeal form, but that he supposedly did... that
form being Jesus.
Now the funny thing about this corporeal God/Jesus
figure (you'll laugh), but he was supposed to have died.
Like, for everybody's sins & stuff. Yup. "God" could
take a corporeal form and actually die.
This is what Christians believe. You know, those people
who you're trying to sway.
Anyhow, seeing how they believe "God" can and DID
accomplish this, your question about "God" -- in an
implied corporeal form -- not being able to lift a rock
he created is anything but a brain teaser.
.

User: "ike milligan"
Title: Re: God and the stupid "Rock" argument	24 Sep 2007 08:34:51 AM

"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190624462.494439.309250@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...

Here's the thing. You're not going to sway any theists
with a seriously lame argument, one so lame that it
wouldn't convince an atheist who was the least bit
skeptical.

"Can God create a rock so heavy that even he can't
lift it?'

I hate to answer a question with a question, but sometimes
it's just appropriate: Is "God" supposed to be corporeal?

And that's a rhetorical question. The question is so obviously
"No" that I'm wasting my time typing this out. But...

Is "God" supposed to be able to take on a corporeal form?

Oh. That's another rhetorical question. See, because
you're all so familiar with Christianity & Christians, you
know that "God" isn't only supposed to be able to take
on a corporeal form, but that he supposedly did... that
form being Jesus.

Now the funny thing about this corporeal God/Jesus
figure (you'll laugh), but he was supposed to have died.
Like, for everybody's sins & stuff. Yup. "God" could
take a corporeal form and actually die.

This is what Christians believe. You know, those people
who you're trying to sway.

Anyhow, seeing how they believe "God" can and DID
accomplish this, your question about "God" -- in an
implied corporeal form -- not being able to lift a rock
he created is anything but a brain teaser.

If God can create a rock he can't lift it must be because He is a creating
Spirit and only makes stuff but can't lift it. If He can come to earth and
die and still be alive, there is no contradiction. If you create a fantastic
world, you can make all the rules.
.

User: "JTEM"
Title: Re: God and the stupid "Rock" argument	24 Sep 2007 01:49:13 PM

"ike milligan" <accordion...@mindspring.com> wrote:

If God can create a rock he can't lift

According to Christians, he created a few Roman
soldiers, and then took a form that couldn't
fight them.
Remember your audience.
.

User: "Al Klein"
Title: Re: God and the stupid "Rock" argument	24 Sep 2007 10:47:40 PM

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:49:13 -0700, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:

"ike milligan" <accordion...@mindspring.com> wrote:

If God can create a rock he can't lift

According to Christians, he created a few Roman
soldiers, and then took a form that couldn't
fight them.

Remember your audience.

And he couldn't defeat iron chariots until after his worshippers
learned how to forge iron.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
.

User: "Michael Gray"
Title: Re: God and the stupid "Rock" argument	24 Sep 2007 11:44:32 PM

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:47:40 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:49:13 -0700, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:

"ike milligan" <accordion...@mindspring.com> wrote:

If God can create a rock he can't lift

According to Christians, he created a few Roman
soldiers, and then took a form that couldn't
fight them.

Remember your audience.

And he couldn't defeat iron chariots until after his worshippers
learned how to forge iron.

A classic written objection that is literal, inerrant, infallible yet
at the same time utterly absurd and inconsistent.
I have yet to hear or read a coherent and effective apology for this
especially egregious bit of bumbling nonsense.
.

User: "de_menezes"
Title: Re: God and the stupid "Rock" argument	24 Sep 2007 01:58:28 PM

"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1190624462.494439.309250@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...

Here's the thing. You're not going to sway any theists
with a seriously lame argument, one so lame that it
wouldn't convince an atheist who was the least bit
skeptical.

"Can God create a rock so heavy that even he can't
lift it?'

I hate to answer a question with a question, but sometimes
it's just appropriate: Is "God" supposed to be corporeal?

And that's a rhetorical question. The question is so obviously
"No" that I'm wasting my time typing this out. But...

Is "God" supposed to be able to take on a corporeal form?

Oh. That's another rhetorical question. See, because
you're all so familiar with Christianity & Christians, you
know that "God" isn't only supposed to be able to take
on a corporeal form, but that he supposedly did... that
form being Jesus.

Now the funny thing about this corporeal God/Jesus
figure (you'll laugh), but he was supposed to have died.
Like, for everybody's sins & stuff. Yup. "God" could
take a corporeal form and actually die.

This is what Christians believe. You know, those people
who you're trying to sway.

Anyhow, seeing how they believe "God" can and DID
accomplish this, your question about "God" -- in an
implied corporeal form -- not being able to lift a rock
he created is anything but a brain teaser.

Get a fucking life, atheist. And stop laughing at theists.
.

User: "Olrik"
Title: Re: God and the stupid "Rock" argument	24 Sep 2007 11:23:41 PM

On Sep 24, 2:58 pm, "de_menezes" <de_mene...@gmail.com> wrote:

"JTEM" <jte...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1190624462.494439.309250@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...

Here's the thing. You're not going to sway any theists
with a seriously lame argument, one so lame that it
wouldn't convince an atheist who was the least bit
skeptical.

"Can God create a rock so heavy that even he can't
lift it?'

I hate to answer a question with a question, but sometimes
it's just appropriate: Is "God" supposed to be corporeal?

And that's a rhetorical question. The question is so obviously
"No" that I'm wasting my time typing this out. But...

Is "God" supposed to be able to take on a corporeal form?

Oh. That's another rhetorical question. See, because
you're all so familiar with Christianity & Christians, you
know that "God" isn't only supposed to be able to take
on a corporeal form, but that he supposedly did... that
form being Jesus.

Now the funny thing about this corporeal God/Jesus
figure (you'll laugh), but he was supposed to have died.
Like, for everybody's sins & stuff. Yup. "God" could
take a corporeal form and actually die.

This is what Christians believe. You know, those people
who you're trying to sway.

Anyhow, seeing how they believe "God" can and DID
accomplish this, your question about "God" -- in an
implied corporeal form -- not being able to lift a rock
he created is anything but a brain teaser.

Get a fucking life, atheist. And stop laughing at theists.

He only posted his comment on alt.atheism, no cross-posting. What are
you doing here, kid?
BTW, I wonder why we should stop laughing at theists. You should read
what they (and you) believe in! It's hysterical!
Olrik
.

User: "de_menezes"
Title: Re: God and the stupid "Rock" argument	25 Sep 2007 01:35:34 PM

"Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1190694221.298606.244010@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...

On Sep 24, 2:58 pm, "de_menezes" <de_mene...@gmail.com> wrote:

"JTEM" <jte...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1190624462.494439.309250@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...

Here's the thing. You're not going to sway any theists
with a seriously lame argument, one so lame that it
wouldn't convince an atheist who was the least bit
skeptical.

"Can God create a rock so heavy that even he can't
lift it?'

I hate to answer a question with a question, but sometimes
it's just appropriate: Is "God" supposed to be corporeal?

And that's a rhetorical question. The question is so obviously
"No" that I'm wasting my time typing this out. But...

Is "God" supposed to be able to take on a corporeal form?

This is what Christians believe. You know, those people
who you're trying to sway.

Get a fucking life, atheist. And stop laughing at theists.

He only posted his comment on alt.atheism, no cross-posting. What are
you doing here, kid?

This is a free country, and if you don't like it, 'Olrik', I suggest you start
forming a new atheist Reich. OK? A? B? 0? 1? Yes? Retry? Abort?
Oh, yes. Must not forget.
I ain't your 'kid', 'pops'. Make yourself one, and then you're good to go.
'Grandad'.

BTW, I wonder why we should stop laughing at theists. You should read
what they (and you) believe in! It's hysterical!

Says who? YOU? Well, when a narrowminded moron, such as yourself
'Olrik', says that... well, gosh, it 'must be true'.
PS.
You make fun of theists, I MAKE FUN OF YOU, atheists. And look
at you all acting like silly little bitches, crying and losing temper.
Hahahahaha. Face it, 'Olrik'. I OWN you. And will continue to own
each and every one of you, until you see how narrowminded and
emotionally retarded you and your atheist friends are. And until you
see that you are NOT any smarter or more intelligent than theists.
So, the solution lies not within me, but within you, my dear, dearest atheist.
Have a nice day, worm.
.

User: "Olrik"
Title: Re: God and the stupid "Rock" argument	25 Sep 2007 10:21:09 PM

<snip>

Get a fucking life, atheist. And stop laughing at theists.

He only posted his comment on alt.atheism, no cross-posting. What are
you doing here, kid?

This is a free country, and if you don't like it, 'Olrik', I suggest you start
forming a new atheist Reich. OK? A? B? 0? 1? Yes? Retry? Abort?

I was just asking you what you were doing here in alt.atheism. You
seem to have serious reading comprehension problems.
But you, on the other hand, told the OP : "And stop laughing at
theists." Was that an order?

Oh, yes. Must not forget.

I ain't your 'kid', 'pops'. Make yourself one, and then you're good to go.

I'll refrain from calling you "kid" in the future. How about "kiddo",
instead? Deal?

'Grandad'.

BTW, I wonder why we should stop laughing at theists. You should read
what they (and you) believe in! It's hysterical!

Says who? YOU?

Apparently. I, and many others here, find talking snakes, burning
bushes and people walking on water absolutely funny. Not to mention
that "god" thingy itself.

Well, when a narrowminded moron, such as yourself
'Olrik', says that... well, gosh, it 'must be true'.

It was an opinion, not the "truth".

PS.
You make fun of theists, I MAKE FUN OF YOU, atheists. And look
at you all acting like silly little bitches, crying and losing temper.

You should read your own posts. Talk about "losing temper"...

Hahahahaha. Face it, 'Olrik'. I OWN you.

You don't have the brains, the wherewithal nor the stamina to "own"
any one atheist here. Do you even "own" the computer your typing those
little nothings of yours, kiddo?

And will continue to own
each and every one of you, until you see how narrowminded and
emotionally retarded you and your atheist friends are.

False premises.

And until you
see that you are NOT any smarter or more intelligent than theists.

Some theists are very smart. I personally never wrote otherwise.

So, the solution lies not within me, but within you, my dear, dearest atheist.

What "solution", kiddo? And, come to think of it, what is the problem
in the first place?

Have a nice day, worm.

That last sentence pretty much tells me all I need to know about you.
Olrik
.

User: "de_menezes"
Title: Re: God and the stupid "Rock" argument	26 Sep 2007 07:04:36 AM

"Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1190776869.294149.136610@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...

<snip>

Get a fucking life, atheist. And stop laughing at theists.

He only posted his comment on alt.atheism, no cross-posting. What are
you doing here, kid?

This is a free country, and if you don't like it, 'Olrik', I suggest you start
forming a new atheist Reich. OK? A? B? 0? 1? Yes? Retry? Abort?

I was just asking you what you were doing here in alt.atheism.

Well, I am here in order to balance things out. So far, balance is restored.
You

seem to have serious reading comprehension problems.

And you seem to have a lot of problems with yourself, 'Olrik'. Problems
that you deny, because... you are weak, 'dad'.

But you, on the other hand, told the OP : "And stop laughing at
theists." Was that an order?

Yes. 'That was an order'.
LOL, 'dad', sometimes you are... oh, most of the times you are sooo dumb.

Oh, yes. Must not forget.

I ain't your 'kid', 'pops'. Make yourself one, and then you're good to go.

I'll refrain from calling you "kid" in the future. How about "kiddo",
instead? Deal?

Ok, 'pops', whichever 'justifies' your hypocrisy, which you call 'being mature'.
Uuuuuuh...'float like a butterfly, sting like a bee, sting like a bee', 'pops'.

'Grandad'.

BTW, I wonder why we should stop laughing at theists. You should read
what they (and you) believe in! It's hysterical!

Says who? YOU?

Apparently. I, and many others here, find talking snakes, burning
bushes and people walking on water absolutely funny. Not to mention
that "god" thingy itself.

So, you are dead on the inside? No imagination? No soul? No poetic
'freedom'?
Well, THAT'S good to know, 'pops'.
Now, can I aks you a question, 'dad', pweeeez, pweeeeeeeeeeeez?
WHY is that?
Oh, here you go, 'pops', I have just downloaded Britannica 2007.
IF you have problems 'generating' a straightforward and an honest answer,
'use the tools provided', mmmkay 'pops'?

Well, when a narrowminded moron, such as yourself
'Olrik', says that... well, gosh, it 'must be true'.

It was an opinion, not the "truth".

Oh, so 'now' it's an opinion, riiight 'dad'?

PS.
You make fun of theists, I MAKE FUN OF YOU, atheists. And look
at you all acting like silly little bitches, crying and losing temper.

You should read your own posts. Talk about "losing temper"...

I am just having fun poking you in the eye, 'pops'. That's all. I wish you
no harm, honestly. So, don't worry, I am not losing my temper.
You wanna see who is really losing temper, 'pops'?
"i fucked your god in it ***** till it begged for mercy-then i cut it's throat

and shoved it up your *****.

i killed your god along time ago-it was amusing and it was great *****
fun as well.
christ stains=useless things."
AND
"Every post you make just shows that the best parts of you ran down
daddy's leg when his ***** chasing condom finally broke on the thirtieth
***** he stuck it into. You are a pathetic, lying, poor excuse for a
human being. The short circuit between your chair and keyboard proves
conclusively that you are a waste of DNA."
Enjoy your, yet another, meal of hot shite, 'pops'.
Don't forget to wash your hands BEFORE you eat, 'dad'.

Hahahahaha. Face it, 'Olrik'. I OWN you.

You don't have the brains, the wherewithal nor the stamina to "own"
any one atheist here.

Ooooh, denial. An atheist in denial.
Oh, such sweet music...
Do you even "own" the computer your typing those

little nothings of yours, kiddo?

Well, 'dad', yes I do. And a few other things, don't worry.

And will continue to own
each and every one of you, until you see how narrowminded and
emotionally retarded you and your atheist friends are.

False premises.

Ooooh, in denial yet again, 'dad'.
You is becoming a sad man, 'pops'.

And until you
see that you are NOT any smarter or more intelligent than theists.

Some theists are very smart. I personally never wrote otherwise.

BUT, 'you are smarter', right, 'pops'?

So, the solution lies not within me, but within you, my dear, dearest atheist.

What "solution", kiddo? And, come to think of it, what is the problem
in the first place?

Well, take a long, good and hard look at yourself, 'pops', and you'll see.

Have a nice day, worm.

That last sentence pretty much tells me all I need to know about you.

It was a joke, 'dad'. I go to Heavens, and you become worm food.
So, I apologize for excluding you from that 'equation', 'dad'. I jumped
straight down to the worm... who's food you will be... 'pops'...
..... aaaaahhhh, nevermind.
Enjoy your cereal, 'daddy'.
.

User: "Greywolf"
Title: Re: God and the stupid "Rock" argument	25 Sep 2007 02:20:01 PM

"de_menezes" <de_menezes@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fdbkoq$ff2$2@aioe.org...

"Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190694221.298606.244010@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...

On Sep 24, 2:58 pm, "de_menezes" <de_mene...@gmail.com> wrote:

"JTEM" <jte...@gmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:1190624462.494439.309250@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...

Here's the thing. You're not going to sway any theists
with a seriously lame argument, one so lame that it
wouldn't convince an atheist who was the least bit
skeptical.

"Can God create a rock so heavy that even he can't
lift it?'

I hate to answer a question with a question, but sometimes
it's just appropriate: Is "God" supposed to be corporeal?

And that's a rhetorical question. The question is so obviously
"No" that I'm wasting my time typing this out. But...

Is "God" supposed to be able to take on a corporeal form?

This is what Christians believe. You know, those people
who you're trying to sway.

Get a fucking life, atheist. And stop laughing at theists.

He only posted his comment on alt.atheism, no cross-posting. What are
you doing here, kid?

This is a free country, and if you don't like it, 'Olrik', I suggest you
start
forming a new atheist Reich. OK? A? B? 0? 1? Yes? Retry? Abort?

Oh, yes. Must not forget.

I ain't your 'kid', 'pops'. Make yourself one, and then you're good to go.

'Grandad'.

BTW, I wonder why we should stop laughing at theists. You should read
what they (and you) believe in! It's hysterical!

Says who? YOU? Well, when a narrowminded moron, such as yourself
'Olrik', says that... well, gosh, it 'must be true'.

PS.
You make fun of theists, I MAKE FUN OF YOU, atheists. And look
at you all acting like silly little bitches, crying and losing temper.
Hahahahaha. Face it, 'Olrik'. I OWN you. And will continue to own
each and every one of you, until you see how narrowminded and
emotionally retarded you and your atheist friends are. And until you
see that you are NOT any smarter or more intelligent than theists.

So, the solution lies not within me, but within you, my dear, dearest
atheist.

Have a nice day, worm.

I'm on the verge of tears seeing the 'true' Christian make manifest
make-believe 'God's' precious make-believe, totally fabricated, boundless
'love' in the very bosom of atheism. Makes each and every atheist feel like
purring like a dang kitten, doesn't it? Don't *we* feel 'blessed'.
Dang, next thing you know we'll come to believe make-believe 'God' can
actually create a rock he *can't* lift!
Greywolf
.

User: "de_menezes"
Title: Re: God and the stupid "Rock" argument	25 Sep 2007 05:22:13 PM

"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in message news:13finval39qjfe0@news.supernews.com...

"de_menezes" <de_menezes@gmail.com> wrote in message news:fdbkoq$ff2$2@aioe.org...

"Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1190694221.298606.244010@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...

On Sep 24, 2:58 pm, "de_menezes" <de_mene...@gmail.com> wrote:

"JTEM" <jte...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1190624462.494439.309250@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...

Here's the thing. You're not going to sway any theists
with a seriously lame argument, one so lame that it
wouldn't convince an atheist who was the least bit
skeptical.

"Can God create a rock so heavy that even he can't
lift it?'

I hate to answer a question with a question, but sometimes
it's just appropriate: Is "God" supposed to be corporeal?

And that's a rhetorical question. The question is so obviously
"No" that I'm wasting my time typing this out. But...

Is "God" supposed to be able to take on a corporeal form?

This is what Christians believe. You know, those people
who you're trying to sway.

Get a fucking life, atheist. And stop laughing at theists.

He only posted his comment on alt.atheism, no cross-posting. What are
you doing here, kid?

This is a free country, and if you don't like it, 'Olrik', I suggest you start
forming a new atheist Reich. OK? A? B? 0? 1? Yes? Retry? Abort?

Oh, yes. Must not forget.

I ain't your 'kid', 'pops'. Make yourself one, and then you're good to go.

'Grandad'.

BTW, I wonder why we should stop laughing at theists. You should read
what they (and you) believe in! It's hysterical!

Says who? YOU? Well, when a narrowminded moron, such as yourself
'Olrik', says that... well, gosh, it 'must be true'.

PS.
You make fun of theists, I MAKE FUN OF YOU, atheists. And look
at you all acting like silly little bitches, crying and losing temper.
Hahahahaha. Face it, 'Olrik'. I OWN you. And will continue to own
each and every one of you, until you see how narrowminded and
emotionally retarded you and your atheist friends are. And until you
see that you are NOT any smarter or more intelligent than theists.

So, the solution lies not within me, but within you, my dear, dearest atheist.

Have a nice day, worm.

I'm on the verge of tears seeing the 'true' Christian make manifest make-believe 'God's' precious make-believe,
totally fabricated, boundless 'love' in the very bosom of atheism.

Well, 'Greywolf', you give and you shall receive. So far, you guys gave
none, so none you shall receive.
You think God is stupid?
Makes each and every atheist feel like

purring like a dang kitten, doesn't it? Don't *we* feel 'blessed'.

You don't need to feel 'blessed', cause you haven't deserved it.
BUT, on the other hand, you can take a hard long look at yourselves, atheists.
That would be a start...

Dang, next thing you know we'll come to believe make-believe 'God' can actually create a rock he *can't* lift!

Well, if that does happen, He'll do it just to make fun of you atheists.
Have a nice day, 'Greywolf'.
.

User: "Olrik"
Title: Re: God and the stupid "Rock" argument	25 Sep 2007 10:26:43 PM

<snip>

Have a nice day, worm.

I'm on the verge of tears seeing the 'true' Christian make manifest make-believe 'God's' precious make-believe,
totally fabricated, boundless 'love' in the very bosom of atheism.

Well, 'Greywolf', you give and you shall receive. So far, you guys gave
none, so none you shall receive.

You think God is stupid?

We basically think it does not exists. But, as the myths go, yes, it
is stupid, and genocidal, hypocritical and egocentric. In other words,
it would merit scorn if it existed.
Olrik

Makes each and every atheist feel like

purring like a dang kitten, doesn't it? Don't *we* feel 'blessed'.

You don't need to feel 'blessed', cause you haven't deserved it.

BUT, on the other hand, you can take a hard long look at yourselves, atheists.

That would be a start...

Dang, next thing you know we'll come to believe make-believe 'God' can actually create a rock he *can't* lift!

Well, if that does happen, He'll do it just to make fun of you atheists.

Have a nice day, 'Greywolf'.

User: "de_menezes"
Title: Re: God and the stupid "Rock" argument	26 Sep 2007 06:28:38 AM

"Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1190777203.863615.155150@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...

<snip>

Have a nice day, worm.

I'm on the verge of tears seeing the 'true' Christian make manifest make-believe 'God's' precious make-believe,
totally fabricated, boundless 'love' in the very bosom of atheism.

Well, 'Greywolf', you give and you shall receive. So far, you guys gave
none, so none you shall receive.

You think God is stupid?

We basically think it does not exists.

.... because you think He's stupid. Nice.
But, as the myths go, yes, it

is stupid, and genocidal, hypocritical and egocentric. In other words,
it would merit scorn if it existed.

'Genocidal'? Hahaha... I knew it. You guys actually can't wait for God's
existence to be proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt. Then you'll be able
to blame God for 'all the hunger and wars and suffering'. And finally, you'll
be able to wash away the guilt, the shame and the pain.
THEN you 'will be free to do what you want to do'.
When in fact, you guys (atheists) are only running away from your own
sufferering(s). Your own little shame, pain and guilt.
But heeeey... don't cry. Think again. About yourselves.

Olrik

Makes each and every atheist feel like

purring like a dang kitten, doesn't it? Don't *we* feel 'blessed'.

You don't need to feel 'blessed', cause you haven't deserved it.

BUT, on the other hand, you can take a hard long look at yourselves, atheists.

That would be a start...

Dang, next thing you know we'll come to believe make-believe 'God' can actually create a rock he *can't* lift!

Well, if that does happen, He'll do it just to make fun of you atheists.

Have a nice day, 'Greywolf'.

User: "JESUS WAS A COCKSUCKER!"
Title: Re: God and the stupid "Rock" argument	25 Sep 2007 06:03:25 PM

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