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"Kurt Nicklas" |
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15 Oct 2005 02:34:02 PM |
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!God Bless America Signs Stir Atheist Protest |
'God Bless America' signs
stir atheist protest
City hall seeking to honor
U.S. troops serving in Iraq
October 15, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
WorldNetDaily.com
An atheist group is complaining about two signs posted outside a city hall in
New York state that declare "God Bless America."
But the signs hung by a Long Island official outside the town hall of Babylon,
N.Y., are perfectly legal, according to a group specializing in constitutional
law that has volunteered to defend them.
"The phrase 'God bless America' does not violate the Constitution," said Gary
McCaleb, senior counsel for the Alliance Defense Fund.
"If it did," he added, "then all the Democrat and Republican members of Congress
standing on the steps of the Capitol singing 'God Bless America' after 9-11
would have been subject to arrest."
The official, Babylon Town Supervisor Steve Bellone, reportedly posted the two
signs outside the town hall in the village of Lindenhurst to honor American men
and women serving in the military.
One of the signs, an 11-foot banner, reads, "Thank You to Our Troops, God Bless
America." The other sign reads, "God Bless America" and displays a community
calendar on the reverse side.
Two groups, including the Freedom from Religion Foundation, reportedly have
complained to Bellone that the signs violate the so-called "separation of church
and state."
"The phrase 'God bless America' is routinely used by U.S. presidents in their
addresses. From the Declaration of Independence to our currency, this country
has always acknowledged a belief in God," McCaleb explained.
He argued the town's signs clearly do not constitute an establishment of
religion.
If the town is threatened with legal action, he said, the Alliance Defense Fund
will defend it free of charge.
ADF says it has defended numerous government bodies and public officials who
have been threatened with legal action for alleged violations of the
Establishment Clause because of public displays that include some religious
content.
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Kurt Nicklas
Vocatus atque non vocatus deus aderit
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| User: "Kelo Disaster" |
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| Title: Re: !God Bless America Signs Stir Atheist Protest |
17 Oct 2005 09:11:55 PM |
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"Steve Knight" <wooly@sonic.netttt> wrote in message
news:6jj8l11o9slotbik8ba3b1bcebssdednee@4ax.com...
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:06:23 -0500, "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> wrote:
"Steve Knight" <wooly@sonic.netttt> wrote in message
news:qlv5l1ljqusj27n1a69nikpc0mqkkrkqic@4ax.com...
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:19:59 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
"Steve Knight" <wooly@sonic.netttt> wrote in message
news:vab3l15png304dne4tek41diotth9qbtj2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:29 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother
Nature
is
not a religion. And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of
any
entity is not coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized
religion
or abide by the teachings of an organized religion. That is why our
currency
still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It doesn't represent
any
specific religion.
Are you willfully ignorant or just stupid?
ANY god mentioned in the US is the christian god. Not a generic
word meaning... whatever... for deity.
Would the 'Warlard' like to tell us what religion was being pressed
upon
the
people in the Declaration of Independence?
What gets me about you 'warm and fuzzy' generic god types, is your
complete ignorance of what you're talking about.
I didn't see a single Hindu, Moslem, Jew, Taoist, Black (any human
of 'color') sign the DOI. Did you? Maybe they were outside cleaning up
horse ***** while this wonderful moment for all was being debated.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights,
that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Creator
and
God were terms used by the founding fathers interchangeably. Creator
is
about as generic as one can get.
Right. A DOI written by white, upper class Europeans that owned
slaves. Why don't you ask any christian in the US if Creator is a
quaint little euphemism for everyone's god. It's not.
Idiot.
It is posts like this that make the NAZI hate rhetoric sound reasonable.
I guess it would seem that way to a deluded person. I notice you
haven't the intellectual spark to respond to what was said. Instead
you attack the person, not the message.
Can you figure out and tell us why you think I said something like
Nazi rhetoric?
It's real simple, listen very closely...
A racist is a racist <period>
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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| Title: Re: !God Bless America Signs Stir Atheist Protest |
15 Oct 2005 08:42:33 PM |
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In article <vab3l15png304dne4tek41diotth9qbtj2@4ax.com>, Steve Knight says...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:29 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother Nature is
not a religion. And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any
entity is not coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized religion
or abide by the teachings of an organized religion. That is why our currency
still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It doesn't represent any
specific religion.
Are you willfully ignorant or just stupid?
ANY god mentioned in the US is the christian god. Not a generic
word meaning... whatever... for deity.
The next time you climb out of the yellow side of the gene pool,
you might try looking around and putting two and two together.
Are you a politician? They seems to have the gift of being
completely out of touch with reality.
All I can say to you is that anyone who calls himself 'Warlord Steve,
BAAWA Knight' has no basis for saying someone ELSE is out of touch
with reality.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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Kurt Nicklas
Vocatus atque non vocatus deus aderit
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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| Title: Re: !God Bless America Signs Stir Atheist Protest |
16 Oct 2005 08:23:46 PM |
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On 15 Oct 2005 18:42:33 -0700, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru>
wrote:
In article <vab3l15png304dne4tek41diotth9qbtj2@4ax.com>, Steve Knight says...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:29 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother Nature is
not a religion. And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any
entity is not coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized religion
or abide by the teachings of an organized religion. That is why our currency
still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It doesn't represent any
specific religion.
Are you willfully ignorant or just stupid?
ANY god mentioned in the US is the christian god. Not a generic
word meaning... whatever... for deity.
The next time you climb out of the yellow side of the gene pool,
you might try looking around and putting two and two together.
Are you a politician? They seems to have the gift of being
completely out of touch with reality.
All I can say to you is that anyone who calls himself 'Warlord Steve,
BAAWA Knight' has no basis for saying someone ELSE is out of touch
with reality.
You say that because you can't tell fantasy from *****.
You're much dumber that I thought. Instead of saying anything
coherent, you attack a ***** title that you think is real.
Pathetic.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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| Title: Re: !God Bless America Signs Stir Atheist Protest |
18 Oct 2005 06:07:01 AM |
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In article <tnu5l1t9623fjgi3ciduqg0mctfr0sfj0o@4ax.com>, Steve Knight says...
On 15 Oct 2005 18:42:33 -0700, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru>
wrote:
In article <vab3l15png304dne4tek41diotth9qbtj2@4ax.com>, Steve Knight says...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:29 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother Nature is
not a religion. And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any
entity is not coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized religion
or abide by the teachings of an organized religion. That is why our currency
still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It doesn't represent any
specific religion.
Are you willfully ignorant or just stupid?
ANY god mentioned in the US is the christian god. Not a generic
word meaning... whatever... for deity.
The next time you climb out of the yellow side of the gene pool,
you might try looking around and putting two and two together.
Are you a politician? They seems to have the gift of being
completely out of touch with reality.
All I can say to you is that anyone who calls himself 'Warlord Steve,
BAAWA Knight' has no basis for saying someone ELSE is out of touch
with reality.
You say that because you can't tell fantasy from *****.
You're much dumber that I thought. Instead of saying anything
coherent, you attack a ***** title that you think is real.
BAAWA is B.S.?
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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Kurt Nicklas
Vocatus atque non vocatus deus aderit
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: !God Bless America Signs Stir Atheist Protest |
15 Oct 2005 09:02:35 PM |
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On 15 Oct 2005 18:42:33 -0700, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru>
wrote:
In article <vab3l15png304dne4tek41diotth9qbtj2@4ax.com>, Steve Knight says...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:29 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother Nature is
not a religion. And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any
entity is not coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized religion
or abide by the teachings of an organized religion. That is why our currency
still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It doesn't represent any
specific religion.
Are you willfully ignorant or just stupid?
ANY god mentioned in the US is the christian god. Not a generic
word meaning... whatever... for deity.
The next time you climb out of the yellow side of the gene pool,
you might try looking around and putting two and two together.
Are you a politician? They seems to have the gift of being
completely out of touch with reality.
All I can say to you is that anyone who calls himself 'Warlord Steve,
BAAWA Knight' has no basis for saying someone ELSE is out of touch
with reality.
Translation: Kurt can't address what Steve says.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: !God Bless America Signs Stir Atheist Protest |
15 Oct 2005 06:13:47 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:58:15 GMT, "Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com>
wrote:
"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:dirlja0k2@drn.newsguy.com...
'God Bless America' signs
stir atheist protest
City hall seeking to honor
U.S. troops serving in Iraq
The problem is NOT the signs per se, but that THE GOVERNMENT
erected and paid for them.
The government has no money of its own.
It is the taxpayers' money.
How would the troops feel if the government posted signs
on their return from Iraq which read: Allah bless America ???
Or what about the non-Christian etc soldier? How about the
actual atheist soldiers? Do they feel shunned?
A simple solution was for the signs to read:
Thank you for your service.
Leave the religion to individuals -- government has not business
messing with religion NOR the Right to Keep and Bear Arms by
law abiding citizens.
(since this was cross-posted to talk.politics.guns.)
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| User: "Ash" |
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| Title: Re: !God Bless America Signs Stir Atheist Protest |
16 Oct 2005 04:42:31 PM |
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
"The phrase 'God bless America' does not violate the Constitution," said Gary
McCaleb, senior counsel for the Alliance Defense Fund.
"If it did," he added, "then all the Democrat and Republican members of Congress
standing on the steps of the Capitol singing 'God Bless America' after 9-11
would have been subject to arrest."
While the first paragraph may be true, I am not sure of the relavence of
the second
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