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"Kurt Nicklas" |
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15 Oct 2005 02:34:02 PM |
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!God Bless America Signs Stir Atheist Protest |
'God Bless America' signs
stir atheist protest
City hall seeking to honor
U.S. troops serving in Iraq
October 15, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
WorldNetDaily.com
An atheist group is complaining about two signs posted outside a city hall in
New York state that declare "God Bless America."
But the signs hung by a Long Island official outside the town hall of Babylon,
N.Y., are perfectly legal, according to a group specializing in constitutional
law that has volunteered to defend them.
"The phrase 'God bless America' does not violate the Constitution," said Gary
McCaleb, senior counsel for the Alliance Defense Fund.
"If it did," he added, "then all the Democrat and Republican members of Congress
standing on the steps of the Capitol singing 'God Bless America' after 9-11
would have been subject to arrest."
The official, Babylon Town Supervisor Steve Bellone, reportedly posted the two
signs outside the town hall in the village of Lindenhurst to honor American men
and women serving in the military.
One of the signs, an 11-foot banner, reads, "Thank You to Our Troops, God Bless
America." The other sign reads, "God Bless America" and displays a community
calendar on the reverse side.
Two groups, including the Freedom from Religion Foundation, reportedly have
complained to Bellone that the signs violate the so-called "separation of church
and state."
"The phrase 'God bless America' is routinely used by U.S. presidents in their
addresses. From the Declaration of Independence to our currency, this country
has always acknowledged a belief in God," McCaleb explained.
He argued the town's signs clearly do not constitute an establishment of
religion.
If the town is threatened with legal action, he said, the Alliance Defense Fund
will defend it free of charge.
ADF says it has defended numerous government bodies and public officials who
have been threatened with legal action for alleged violations of the
Establishment Clause because of public displays that include some religious
content.
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Kurt Nicklas
Vocatus atque non vocatus deus aderit
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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| Title: Re: !God Bless America Signs Stir Atheist Protest |
15 Oct 2005 02:58:15 PM |
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"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:dirlja0k2@drn.newsguy.com...
'God Bless America' signs
stir atheist protest
City hall seeking to honor
U.S. troops serving in Iraq
The problem is NOT the signs per se, but that THE GOVERNMENT
erected and paid for them.
How would the troops feel if the government posted signs
on their return from Iraq which read: Allah bless America ???
Or what about the non-Christian etc soldier? How about the
actual atheist soldiers? Do they feel shunned?
A simple solution was for the signs to read:
Thank you for your service.
Leave the religion to individuals -- government has not business
messing with religion NOR the Right to Keep and Bear Arms by
law abiding citizens.
(since this was cross-posted to talk.politics.guns.)
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Herb Martin
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| User: "Dana" |
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| Title: Re: !God Bless America Signs Stir Atheist Protest |
15 Oct 2005 03:53:40 PM |
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"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:rbd4f.37918$Q53.10290@tornado.texas.rr.com...
"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:dirlja0k2@drn.newsguy.com...
'God Bless America' signs
stir atheist protest
City hall seeking to honor
U.S. troops serving in Iraq
The problem is NOT the signs per se, but that THE GOVERNMENT
erected and paid for them.
That is no problem. If it was then you would have to agree that all those
textbooks that promote homosexuality as being normal, and are forced on our
elementary school children are a problem.
How would the troops feel if the government posted signs
on their return from Iraq which read: Allah bless America ???
Our government would not. So you have no argument.
Or what about the non-Christian etc soldier? How about the
actual atheist soldiers? Do they feel shunned?
Nope, not at all.
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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| Title: Re: !God Bless America Signs Stir Atheist Protest |
15 Oct 2005 10:08:39 PM |
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"Dana" <whoya@whoya.com> wrote in message
news:11l2qp5c7rrve66@corp.supernews.com...
"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:rbd4f.37918$Q53.10290@tornado.texas.rr.com...
"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:dirlja0k2@drn.newsguy.com...
'God Bless America' signs
stir atheist protest
City hall seeking to honor
U.S. troops serving in Iraq
The problem is NOT the signs per se, but that THE GOVERNMENT
erected and paid for them.
That is no problem. If it was then you would have to agree that all those
textbooks that promote homosexuality as being normal, and are forced on
our
elementary school children are a problem.
Ok. I will agree with that as much as I don't know about
"all those textbooks" and would really have to read what
you are referencing.
I doubt the two have anything to do with each other, but
the government may NOT establish any favorites in
religion.
Them's the rules.
How would the troops feel if the government posted signs
on their return from Iraq which read: Allah bless America ???
Our government would not. So you have no argument.
It is an analogy, a thought experiment.
If you are not comletely comfortable with the "Allah" sign
then having any other religious sign placed by the government
is WRONG.
Or what about the non-Christian etc soldier? How about the
actual atheist soldiers? Do they feel shunned?
Nope, not at all.
You are speaking for the feelings of others. Therefore
anyone else who choses may speak for YOUR feelings
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Herb Martin
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: !God Bless America Signs Stir Atheist Protest |
16 Oct 2005 04:35:40 AM |
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*That is no problem. If it was then you would have to agree that all
those
*textbooks that promote homosexuality as being normal, and are forced
on our
*elementary school children are a problem.
Please, Dana, enlighten us: give us a quote, a reference for such books
and tell us which school is using them...
You're confusing the promoting of "tolerance" and "respect"... That's
OK, I've never expected people like you to understand these words
anyway...
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| User: "nJb" |
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| Title: Re: !God Bless America Signs Stir Atheist Protest |
15 Oct 2005 08:36:52 PM |
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Dana wrote:
"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:rbd4f.37918$Q53.10290@tornado.texas.rr.com...
"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:dirlja0k2@drn.newsguy.com...
'God Bless America' signs
stir atheist protest
City hall seeking to honor
U.S. troops serving in Iraq
The problem is NOT the signs per se, but that THE GOVERNMENT
erected and paid for them.
That is no problem. If it was then you would have to agree that all those
textbooks that promote homosexuality as being normal, and are forced on our
elementary school children are a problem.
What books would those be, and which elementary schools are using them?
--
Jack
Plonked by Native American
bobo1148atxmissiondotcom
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/xmissionbobo/
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| User: "Dana" |
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15 Oct 2005 09:20:16 PM |
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"nJb" <none@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:disauf$lm4$1@news.xmission.com...
Dana wrote:
"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:rbd4f.37918$Q53.10290@tornado.texas.rr.com...
"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:dirlja0k2@drn.newsguy.com...
'God Bless America' signs
stir atheist protest
City hall seeking to honor
U.S. troops serving in Iraq
The problem is NOT the signs per se, but that THE GOVERNMENT
erected and paid for them.
That is no problem. If it was then you would have to agree that all
those
textbooks that promote homosexuality as being normal, and are forced on
our
elementary school children are a problem.
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| User: "nJb" |
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| Title: Re: !God Bless America Signs Stir Atheist Protest |
15 Oct 2005 09:24:15 PM |
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Dana wrote:
"nJb" <none@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:disauf$lm4$1@news.xmission.com...
Dana wrote:
"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:rbd4f.37918$Q53.10290@tornado.texas.rr.com...
"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:dirlja0k2@drn.newsguy.com...
'God Bless America' signs
stir atheist protest
City hall seeking to honor
U.S. troops serving in Iraq
The problem is NOT the signs per se, but that THE GOVERNMENT
erected and paid for them.
That is no problem. If it was then you would have to agree that all
those
textbooks that promote homosexuality as being normal, and are forced on
our
elementary school children are a problem.
Oh, "those" textbooks.
--
Jack
Plonked by Native American
bobo1148atxmissiondotcom
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/xmissionbobo/
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| User: "John Baker" |
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16 Oct 2005 06:29:04 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:36:52 -0600, nJb <none@nowhere.com> wrote:
Dana wrote:
"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:rbd4f.37918$Q53.10290@tornado.texas.rr.com...
"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:dirlja0k2@drn.newsguy.com...
'God Bless America' signs
stir atheist protest
City hall seeking to honor
U.S. troops serving in Iraq
The problem is NOT the signs per se, but that THE GOVERNMENT
erected and paid for them.
That is no problem. If it was then you would have to agree that all those
textbooks that promote homosexuality as being normal, and are forced on our
elementary school children are a problem.
What books would those be, and which elementary schools are using them?
Dana's acquaintance with the truth is casual at best.
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| User: "1973 Dead" |
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16 Oct 2005 11:41:50 AM |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:29:04 GMT, John Baker <nunya@biziniz.net>
wrote:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:36:52 -0600, nJb <none@nowhere.com> wrote:
Dana wrote:
"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:rbd4f.37918$Q53.10290@tornado.texas.rr.com...
"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:dirlja0k2@drn.newsguy.com...
'God Bless America' signs
stir atheist protest
City hall seeking to honor
U.S. troops serving in Iraq
The problem is NOT the signs per se, but that THE GOVERNMENT
erected and paid for them.
That is no problem. If it was then you would have to agree that all those
textbooks that promote homosexuality as being normal, and are forced on our
elementary school children are a problem.
What books would those be, and which elementary schools are using them?
Dana's acquaintance with the truth is casual at best.
And it's not wise to seat them next to one another at dinner parties.
--
"'I’m not meeting with that goddamned *****,' Bush screamed at aides
who suggested he meet with Cindy Sheehan, the war-protesting mother
whose son died in Iraq. 'She can go to hell as far as I’m concerned!'"
--Putsch, a decompensating drunk
"Grover Norquist couldn't drown the government, so he drowned New Orleans instead."
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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| User: "Hangfire" |
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15 Oct 2005 07:45:29 PM |
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"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:rbd4f.37918$Q53.10290@tornado.texas.rr.com...
"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:dirlja0k2@drn.newsguy.com...
'God Bless America' signs
stir atheist protest
City hall seeking to honor
U.S. troops serving in Iraq
The problem is NOT the signs per se, but that THE GOVERNMENT
erected and paid for them.
How would the troops feel if the government posted signs
on their return from Iraq which read: Allah bless America ???
Or what about the non-Christian etc soldier? How about the
actual atheist soldiers? Do they feel shunned?
A simple solution was for the signs to read:
Thank you for your service.
Leave the religion to individuals -- government has not business
messing with religion NOR the Right to Keep and Bear Arms by
law abiding citizens.
(since this was cross-posted to talk.politics.guns.)
--
Herb Martin
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother Nature is
not a religion. And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any
entity is not coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized religion
or abide by the teachings of an organized religion. That is why our currency
still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It doesn't represent any
specific religion.
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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15 Oct 2005 10:08:40 PM |
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God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother Nature
is not a religion.
Belief in any or all of them is religious.
The government may NOT take sides in such arguments.
And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any entity is not
coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized religion or abide by
the teachings of an organized religion.
Coercion is NOT required. The government is required to
stay out of the matter.
That is why our currency still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It
doesn't represent any specific religion.
The currency is fine as an historical artifact but it becomes
an egregious violation of the Constitution once your argument
is made.
--
Herb Martin
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| User: "Hangfire" |
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16 Oct 2005 12:59:31 PM |
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"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:Yuj4f.37952$Q53.8147@tornado.texas.rr.com...
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother Nature
is not a religion.
Belief in any or all of them is religious.
The government may NOT take sides in such arguments.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
The placement of a placard or banner on government property is not making a
law that establishes a religion nor does that placard or banner prohibit the
exercise of any particular religion. The First Amendment prohibits the
government from dictating Catholicism, Judaism, Buddhism, or any other 'ism'
as the official religion of the country. The placard or banner does not
represent a law nor is it coercing anyone into accepting the teachings of
any particular religion.
And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any entity is not
coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized religion or abide
by the teachings of an organized religion.
Coercion is NOT required. The government is required to
stay out of the matter.
That is why our currency still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It
doesn't represent any specific religion.
The currency is fine as an historical artifact but it becomes
an egregious violation of the Constitution once your argument
is made.
The fact that the founding fathers recognized that our basic human rights
originated from a Deity or God is not simply an historical artifact as that
belief is still stated within the documents that govern this country. If one
is to continue to believe that human rights are not simply a creation of man
then one has to believe that an Entity or Creator exists which is the belief
that this country was founded on. 'In God We Trust' simply re-affirms that
the creator of man's basic human rights still exists. It's not an
affirmation of a religion and it is not in conflict with the First Amendment
as it is not creating a law that affirms a state sponsored religion.
--
Herb Martin
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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16 Oct 2005 09:04:34 PM |
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"Hangfire" <dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote in message
news:diu4du$9rf$1@news.netins.net...
"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:Yuj4f.37952$Q53.8147@tornado.texas.rr.com...
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother Nature
is not a religion.
Belief in any or all of them is religious.
The government may NOT take sides in such arguments.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
The placement of a placard or banner on government property is not making
a law that establishes a religion nor does that placard or banner prohibit
the exercise of any particular religion.
Perhaps not when done by a private citizens -- as long as all
such citizens may do so equally but it does when the government
uses government money (i.e., money CONTROLLED by the government
after taking it from taxpayers.)
The First Amendment prohibits the government from dictating Catholicism,
Judaism, Buddhism, or any other 'ism' as the official religion of the
country. The placard or banner does not represent a law nor is it coercing
anyone into accepting the teachings of any particular religion.
The word "dictating" is not offered -- it is in fact impermissible
when the government makes any law (which includes those
authorizing funds) to support ANY religious position.
It would be just as wrong if it said, "Atheists rock".
Unless you are willing to accept that "All Welcomes you" thne
--
Herb Martin
And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any entity is not
coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized religion or abide
by the teachings of an organized religion.
Coercion is NOT required. The government is required to
stay out of the matter.
That is why our currency still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It
doesn't represent any specific religion.
The currency is fine as an historical artifact but it becomes
an egregious violation of the Constitution once your argument
is made.
The fact that the founding fathers recognized that our basic human rights
originated from a Deity or God is not simply an historical artifact as
that belief is still stated within the documents that govern this country.
If one is to continue to believe that human rights are not simply a
creation of man then one has to believe that an Entity or Creator exists
which is the belief that this country was founded on. 'In God We Trust'
simply re-affirms that the creator of man's basic human rights still
exists. It's not an affirmation of a religion and it is not in conflict
with the First Amendment as it is not creating a law that affirms a state
sponsored religion.
--
Herb Martin
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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15 Oct 2005 07:52:26 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:29 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:rbd4f.37918$Q53.10290@tornado.texas.rr.com...
"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:dirlja0k2@drn.newsguy.com...
'God Bless America' signs
stir atheist protest
City hall seeking to honor
U.S. troops serving in Iraq
The problem is NOT the signs per se, but that THE GOVERNMENT
erected and paid for them.
How would the troops feel if the government posted signs
on their return from Iraq which read: Allah bless America ???
Or what about the non-Christian etc soldier? How about the
actual atheist soldiers? Do they feel shunned?
A simple solution was for the signs to read:
Thank you for your service.
Leave the religion to individuals -- government has not business
messing with religion NOR the Right to Keep and Bear Arms by
law abiding citizens.
(since this was cross-posted to talk.politics.guns.)
--
Herb Martin
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother Nature is
not a religion. And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any
What entity? What existence?
It's part of your religion.
Try not to be quite so dishonest next time.
entity is not coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized religion
or abide by the teachings of an organized religion. That is why our currency
still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It doesn't represent any
specific religion.
What part of IT REPRESENTS MONOTHEISTIC RELIGION are you pretending
you don't understand?
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| User: "John Baker" |
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16 Oct 2005 06:31:17 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:29 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:rbd4f.37918$Q53.10290@tornado.texas.rr.com...
"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:dirlja0k2@drn.newsguy.com...
'God Bless America' signs
stir atheist protest
City hall seeking to honor
U.S. troops serving in Iraq
The problem is NOT the signs per se, but that THE GOVERNMENT
erected and paid for them.
How would the troops feel if the government posted signs
on their return from Iraq which read: Allah bless America ???
Or what about the non-Christian etc soldier? How about the
actual atheist soldiers? Do they feel shunned?
A simple solution was for the signs to read:
Thank you for your service.
Leave the religion to individuals -- government has not business
messing with religion NOR the Right to Keep and Bear Arms by
law abiding citizens.
(since this was cross-posted to talk.politics.guns.)
--
Herb Martin
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother Nature is
not a religion. And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any
entity is not coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized religion
or abide by the teachings of an organized religion. That is why our currency
still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It doesn't represent any
specific religion.
Who besides Christians have a god named God? <G>
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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| Title: Re: !God Bless America Signs Stir Atheist Protest |
16 Oct 2005 09:54:36 AM |
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In article <fee4l1lhsr140mf7jsp7b47v5o8sm64pk7@4ax.com>, John Baker says...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:29 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:rbd4f.37918$Q53.10290@tornado.texas.rr.com...
"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:dirlja0k2@drn.newsguy.com...
'God Bless America' signs
stir atheist protest
City hall seeking to honor
U.S. troops serving in Iraq
The problem is NOT the signs per se, but that THE GOVERNMENT
erected and paid for them.
How would the troops feel if the government posted signs
on their return from Iraq which read: Allah bless America ???
Or what about the non-Christian etc soldier? How about the
actual atheist soldiers? Do they feel shunned?
A simple solution was for the signs to read:
Thank you for your service.
Leave the religion to individuals -- government has not business
messing with religion NOR the Right to Keep and Bear Arms by
law abiding citizens.
(since this was cross-posted to talk.politics.guns.)
--
Herb Martin
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother Nature is
not a religion. And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any
entity is not coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized religion
or abide by the teachings of an organized religion. That is why our currency
still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It doesn't represent any
specific religion.
Who besides Christians have a god named God? <G>
I've met a number of fundamentalists who seem to think that the Bible
was written in English but now here's an _atheist_ who apparently thinks the
same.
Will wonders never cease??
--
Kurt Nicklas
Vocatus atque non vocatus deus aderit
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| User: "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrichs effort" |
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16 Oct 2005 12:57:58 PM |
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
In article <fee4l1lhsr140mf7jsp7b47v5o8sm64pk7@4ax.com>, John Baker says...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:29 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:rbd4f.37918$Q53.10290@tornado.texas.rr.com...
"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:dirlja0k2@drn.newsguy.com...
'God Bless America' signs
stir atheist protest
City hall seeking to honor
U.S. troops serving in Iraq
The problem is NOT the signs per se, but that THE GOVERNMENT
erected and paid for them.
How would the troops feel if the government posted signs
on their return from Iraq which read: Allah bless America ???
Or what about the non-Christian etc soldier? How about the
actual atheist soldiers? Do they feel shunned?
A simple solution was for the signs to read:
Thank you for your service.
Leave the religion to individuals -- government has not business
messing with religion NOR the Right to Keep and Bear Arms by
law abiding citizens.
(since this was cross-posted to talk.politics.guns.)
--
Herb Martin
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother Nature is
not a religion. And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any
entity is not coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized religion
or abide by the teachings of an organized religion. That is why our currency
still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It doesn't represent any
specific religion.
Who besides Christians have a god named God? <G>
I've met a number of fundamentalists who seem to think that the Bible
was written in English but now here's an _atheist_ who apparently thinks the
same.
Will wonders never cease??
Please name a religion other than Christianity that calls their god
"God."
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: !God Bless America Signs Stir Atheist Protest |
16 Oct 2005 02:17:26 PM |
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On 16 Oct 2005 10:57:58 -0700, "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason
Gastrich's effort" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
In article <fee4l1lhsr140mf7jsp7b47v5o8sm64pk7@4ax.com>, John Baker says...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:29 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:rbd4f.37918$Q53.10290@tornado.texas.rr.com...
"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:dirlja0k2@drn.newsguy.com...
'God Bless America' signs
stir atheist protest
City hall seeking to honor
U.S. troops serving in Iraq
The problem is NOT the signs per se, but that THE GOVERNMENT
erected and paid for them.
How would the troops feel if the government posted signs
on their return from Iraq which read: Allah bless America ???
Or what about the non-Christian etc soldier? How about the
actual atheist soldiers? Do they feel shunned?
A simple solution was for the signs to read:
Thank you for your service.
Leave the religion to individuals -- government has not business
messing with religion NOR the Right to Keep and Bear Arms by
law abiding citizens.
(since this was cross-posted to talk.politics.guns.)
--
Herb Martin
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother Nature is
not a religion. And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any
entity is not coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized religion
or abide by the teachings of an organized religion. That is why our currency
still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It doesn't represent any
specific religion.
Who besides Christians have a god named God? <G>
I've met a number of fundamentalists who seem to think that the Bible
was written in English but now here's an _atheist_ who apparently thinks the
same.
Will wonders never cease??
Please name a religion other than Christianity that calls their god
"God."
Islam. Allah is Arabic for "[the] God".
Whether It's Christians or Muslims, it's a form of thought control.
They equivocate between the general and the specific deity without
even noticing. It also gets in the way of communication because in
their minds any mention of god/God/creator/etc means their one; after
all in their minds it is the only possible one anybody else could
mean.
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16 Oct 2005 05:31:18 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 16 Oct 2005 10:57:58 -0700, "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason
Gastrich's effort" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote:
Please name a religion other than Christianity that calls their god
"God."
Islam. Allah is Arabic for "[the] God".
I've been misinterpreting the phrase "There is no god but Allah," then.
Whether It's Christians or Muslims, it's a form of thought control.
They equivocate between the general and the specific deity without
even noticing. It also gets in the way of communication because in
their minds any mention of god/God/creator/etc means their one; after
all in their minds it is the only possible one anybody else could
mean.
It certainly confuses me.
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17 Oct 2005 06:37:17 AM |
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On 16 Oct 2005 07:54:36 -0700, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru>
wrote:
In article <fee4l1lhsr140mf7jsp7b47v5o8sm64pk7@4ax.com>, John Baker says...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:29 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote in message
news:rbd4f.37918$Q53.10290@tornado.texas.rr.com...
"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:dirlja0k2@drn.newsguy.com...
'God Bless America' signs
stir atheist protest
City hall seeking to honor
U.S. troops serving in Iraq
The problem is NOT the signs per se, but that THE GOVERNMENT
erected and paid for them.
How would the troops feel if the government posted signs
on their return from Iraq which read: Allah bless America ???
Or what about the non-Christian etc soldier? How about the
actual atheist soldiers? Do they feel shunned?
A simple solution was for the signs to read:
Thank you for your service.
Leave the religion to individuals -- government has not business
messing with religion NOR the Right to Keep and Bear Arms by
law abiding citizens.
(since this was cross-posted to talk.politics.guns.)
--
Herb Martin
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother Nature is
not a religion. And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any
entity is not coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized religion
or abide by the teachings of an organized religion. That is why our currency
still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It doesn't represent any
specific religion.
Who besides Christians have a god named God? <G>
I've met a number of fundamentalists who seem to think that the Bible
was written in English but now here's an _atheist_ who apparently thinks the
same.
Will wonders never cease??
Probably not. And neither, apparently, will the supply of people who
don't recognize a joke when they see one. <G>
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15 Oct 2005 08:35:52 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:29 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother Nature is
not a religion. And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any
entity is not coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized religion
or abide by the teachings of an organized religion. That is why our currency
still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It doesn't represent any
specific religion.
Are you willfully ignorant or just stupid?
ANY god mentioned in the US is the christian god. Not a generic
word meaning... whatever... for deity.
The next time you climb out of the yellow side of the gene pool,
you might try looking around and putting two and two together.
Are you a politician? They seems to have the gift of being
completely out of touch with reality.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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16 Oct 2005 12:19:59 PM |
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"Steve Knight" <wooly@sonic.netttt> wrote in message
news:vab3l15png304dne4tek41diotth9qbtj2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:29 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother Nature
is
not a religion. And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any
entity is not coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized
religion
or abide by the teachings of an organized religion. That is why our
currency
still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It doesn't represent any
specific religion.
Are you willfully ignorant or just stupid?
ANY god mentioned in the US is the christian god. Not a generic
word meaning... whatever... for deity.
So how does one practice Christianity? I know Catholics, Protestants, Greek
Orthodox, Jews, Lutherans, Baptists, and even some Seventh Day Adventists,
but I've yet to meet a 'Christianitiest'.
Would the 'Warlard' like to tell us what religion was being pressed upon the
people in the Declaration of Independence?
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Creator and
God were terms used by the founding fathers interchangeably. Creator is
about as generic as one can get.
The next time you climb out of the yellow side of the gene pool,
you might try looking around and putting two and two together.
Are you a politician? They seems to have the gift of being
completely out of touch with reality.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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16 Oct 2005 12:55:38 PM |
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Hangfire wrote:
"Steve Knight" <wooly@sonic.netttt> wrote in message
news:vab3l15png304dne4tek41diotth9qbtj2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:29 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother Nature
is
not a religion. And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any
entity is not coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized
religion
or abide by the teachings of an organized religion. That is why our
currency
still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It doesn't represent any
specific religion.
Are you willfully ignorant or just stupid?
ANY god mentioned in the US is the christian god. Not a generic
word meaning... whatever... for deity.
So how does one practice Christianity?
In your case, it appears, poorly.
I know Catholics, Protestants, Greek
Orthodox, Jews, Lutherans, Baptists, and even some Seventh Day Adventists,
but I've yet to meet a 'Christianitiest'.
Why don't you go ask all these people you claim to know if they are
christians?
Would the 'Warlard' like to tell us what religion was being pressed upon the
people in the Declaration of Independence?
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Creator and
God were terms used by the founding fathers interchangeably. Creator is
about as generic as one can get.
Gee, too bad the motto isn't "In Creator We Trust." Or "Creator bless
America."
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16 Oct 2005 12:44:17 PM |
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Hangfire wrote:
"Steve Knight" <wooly@sonic.netttt> wrote in message
news:vab3l15png304dne4tek41diotth9qbtj2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:29 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother Nature
is
not a religion. And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any
entity is not coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized
religion
or abide by the teachings of an organized religion. That is why our
currency
still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It doesn't represent any
specific religion.
Are you willfully ignorant or just stupid?
ANY god mentioned in the US is the christian god. Not a generic
word meaning... whatever... for deity.
So how does one practice Christianity? I know Catholics, Protestants, Greek
Orthodox, Jews, Lutherans, Baptists, and even some Seventh Day Adventists,
but I've yet to meet a 'Christianitiest'.
Would the 'Warlard' like to tell us what religion was being pressed upon the
people in the Declaration of Independence?
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Creator and
God were terms used by the founding fathers interchangeably. Creator is
about as generic as one can get.
The "Creator" as referenced in the DOI was nature. Google "natural
rights" and learn what the authors of the DOI had to say about them.
The authors of the DOI, Constitution, BOR etc. were Deists and
Freemasons, the lot of them.
Regards,
Scott S.
#1526
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| User: "Hangfire" |
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16 Oct 2005 01:42:17 PM |
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"Scott S" <bstorm1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1129484657.312809.126440@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hangfire wrote:
"Steve Knight" <wooly@sonic.netttt> wrote in message
news:vab3l15png304dne4tek41diotth9qbtj2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:29 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother
Nature
is
not a religion. And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any
entity is not coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized
religion
or abide by the teachings of an organized religion. That is why our
currency
still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It doesn't represent any
specific religion.
Are you willfully ignorant or just stupid?
ANY god mentioned in the US is the christian god. Not a generic
word meaning... whatever... for deity.
So how does one practice Christianity? I know Catholics, Protestants,
Greek
Orthodox, Jews, Lutherans, Baptists, and even some Seventh Day
Adventists,
but I've yet to meet a 'Christianitiest'.
Would the 'Warlard' like to tell us what religion was being pressed upon
the
people in the Declaration of Independence?
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Creator and
God were terms used by the founding fathers interchangeably. Creator is
about as generic as one can get.
The "Creator" as referenced in the DOI was nature. Google "natural
rights" and learn what the authors of the DOI had to say about them.
That may be. One has to believe that the founding fathers put a great deal
of thought into the writing of a the document that was to form a new country
which is most likely why they used the term 'Creator' in the DoI. This
allowed all citizens to determine for themselves who, or what, created our
basic human rights.
The authors of the DOI, Constitution, BOR etc. were Deists and
Freemasons, the lot of them.
There actually weren't many deists among the founding fathers. Over 90
percent of them were practicing Christians. Fisher Ames, who penned the
First Amendment, believed that the Bible should be in every American
classroom. One must be cautious when relying on websites for information. A
google of 'founding fathers religion' brings up many sites claiming to post
the truth regarding the FFs beliefs. One in particular,
www.sullivan-county.com contains excerpts that represent the FFs as deists.
A quote from Thomas Paine represents him as holding a distain for the bible.
The statement is wholly taken out of context when one reads Paine's 'Age of
Reason' in which he states that the Old Testament tends to corrupt and
brutalize mankind and he detested it as he detested everything that is
cruel. This was not an issue of Paine as a deist. He was actually a firm
believer in God.
Regards,
Scott S.
#1526
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16 Oct 2005 02:09:47 PM |
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Hangfire wrote:
"Scott S" <bstorm1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1129484657.312809.126440@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hangfire wrote:
"Steve Knight" <wooly@sonic.netttt> wrote in message
news:vab3l15png304dne4tek41diotth9qbtj2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:29 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother
Nature
is
not a religion. And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any
entity is not coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized
religion
or abide by the teachings of an organized religion. That is why our
currency
still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It doesn't represent any
specific religion.
Are you willfully ignorant or just stupid?
ANY god mentioned in the US is the christian god. Not a generic
word meaning... whatever... for deity.
So how does one practice Christianity? I know Catholics, Protestants,
Greek
Orthodox, Jews, Lutherans, Baptists, and even some Seventh Day
Adventists,
but I've yet to meet a 'Christianitiest'.
Would the 'Warlard' like to tell us what religion was being pressed upon
the
people in the Declaration of Independence?
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Creator and
God were terms used by the founding fathers interchangeably. Creator is
about as generic as one can get.
The "Creator" as referenced in the DOI was nature. Google "natural
rights" and learn what the authors of the DOI had to say about them.
That may be. One has to believe that the founding fathers put a great deal
of thought into the writing of a the document that was to form a new country
which is most likely why they used the term 'Creator' in the DoI. This
allowed all citizens to determine for themselves who, or what, created our
basic human rights.
The authors of the DOI, Constitution, BOR etc. were Deists and
Freemasons, the lot of them.
There actually weren't many deists among the founding fathers. Over 90
percent of them were practicing Christians. Fisher Ames, who penned the
First Amendment, believed that the Bible should be in every American
classroom. One must be cautious when relying on websites for information. A
google of 'founding fathers religion' brings up many sites claiming to post
the truth regarding the FFs beliefs. One in particular,
www.sullivan-county.com contains excerpts that represent the FFs as deists.
A quote from Thomas Paine represents him as holding a distain for the bible.
The statement is wholly taken out of context when one reads Paine's 'Age of
Reason' in which he states that the Old Testament tends to corrupt and
brutalize mankind and he detested it as he detested everything that is
cruel. This was not an issue of Paine as a deist. He was actually a firm
believer in God.
My opinion regarding the deism of Washington, Jefferson, Franklin,
Paine et al comes from reading them; including Thomas Paine's Common
Sense. Much of the literature, penned by the aforementioned, including
correspondence between them, is available on line, spin free. These
days, Google is as good as any library for locating historical
information. Obviously, the internet is a bit like the wild west of the
information age and one must be careful not to get caught up in
someones agenda.
Regards,
Scott S.
#1526
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| User: "Hangfire" |
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16 Oct 2005 02:25:10 PM |
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"Scott S" <bstorm1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1129489787.438581.257590@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hangfire wrote:
"Scott S" <bstorm1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1129484657.312809.126440@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hangfire wrote:
"Steve Knight" <wooly@sonic.netttt> wrote in message
news:vab3l15png304dne4tek41diotth9qbtj2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:29 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother
Nature
is
not a religion. And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of
any
entity is not coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized
religion
or abide by the teachings of an organized religion. That is why our
currency
still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It doesn't represent
any
specific religion.
Are you willfully ignorant or just stupid?
ANY god mentioned in the US is the christian god. Not a generic
word meaning... whatever... for deity.
So how does one practice Christianity? I know Catholics, Protestants,
Greek
Orthodox, Jews, Lutherans, Baptists, and even some Seventh Day
Adventists,
but I've yet to meet a 'Christianitiest'.
Would the 'Warlard' like to tell us what religion was being pressed
upon
the
people in the Declaration of Independence?
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights,
that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Creator
and
God were terms used by the founding fathers interchangeably. Creator
is
about as generic as one can get.
The "Creator" as referenced in the DOI was nature. Google "natural
rights" and learn what the authors of the DOI had to say about them.
That may be. One has to believe that the founding fathers put a great
deal
of thought into the writing of a the document that was to form a new
country
which is most likely why they used the term 'Creator' in the DoI. This
allowed all citizens to determine for themselves who, or what, created
our
basic human rights.
The authors of the DOI, Constitution, BOR etc. were Deists and
Freemasons, the lot of them.
There actually weren't many deists among the founding fathers. Over 90
percent of them were practicing Christians. Fisher Ames, who penned the
First Amendment, believed that the Bible should be in every American
classroom. One must be cautious when relying on websites for information.
A
google of 'founding fathers religion' brings up many sites claiming to
post
the truth regarding the FFs beliefs. One in particular,
www.sullivan-county.com contains excerpts that represent the FFs as
deists.
A quote from Thomas Paine represents him as holding a distain for the
bible.
The statement is wholly taken out of context when one reads Paine's 'Age
of
Reason' in which he states that the Old Testament tends to corrupt and
brutalize mankind and he detested it as he detested everything that is
cruel. This was not an issue of Paine as a deist. He was actually a firm
believer in God.
My opinion regarding the deism of Washington, Jefferson, Franklin,
Paine et al comes from reading them; including Thomas Paine's Common
Sense. Much of the literature, penned by the aforementioned, including
correspondence between them, is available on line, spin free. These
days, Google is as good as any library for locating historical
information. Obviously, the internet is a bit like the wild west of the
information age and one must be careful not to get caught up in
someones agenda.
Regards,
Scott S.
#1526
Agreed.
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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16 Oct 2005 08:43:44 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:19:59 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
"Steve Knight" <wooly@sonic.netttt> wrote in message
news:vab3l15png304dne4tek41diotth9qbtj2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:29 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother Nature
is
not a religion. And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any
entity is not coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized
religion
or abide by the teachings of an organized religion. That is why our
currency
still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It doesn't represent any
specific religion.
Are you willfully ignorant or just stupid?
ANY god mentioned in the US is the christian god. Not a generic
word meaning... whatever... for deity.
Would the 'Warlard' like to tell us what religion was being pressed upon the
people in the Declaration of Independence?
What gets me about you 'warm and fuzzy' generic god types, is your
complete ignorance of what you're talking about.
I didn't see a single Hindu, Moslem, Jew, Taoist, Black (any human
of 'color') sign the DOI. Did you? Maybe they were outside cleaning up
horse ***** while this wonderful moment for all was being debated.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Creator and
God were terms used by the founding fathers interchangeably. Creator is
about as generic as one can get.
Right. A DOI written by white, upper class Europeans that owned
slaves. Why don't you ask any christian in the US if Creator is a
quaint little euphemism for everyone's god. It's not.
Idiot.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "Kelo Disaster" |
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16 Oct 2005 09:06:23 PM |
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"Steve Knight" <wooly@sonic.netttt> wrote in message
news:qlv5l1ljqusj27n1a69nikpc0mqkkrkqic@4ax.com...
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:19:59 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
"Steve Knight" <wooly@sonic.netttt> wrote in message
news:vab3l15png304dne4tek41diotth9qbtj2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:29 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother
Nature
is
not a religion. And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any
entity is not coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized
religion
or abide by the teachings of an organized religion. That is why our
currency
still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It doesn't represent any
specific religion.
Are you willfully ignorant or just stupid?
ANY god mentioned in the US is the christian god. Not a generic
word meaning... whatever... for deity.
Would the 'Warlard' like to tell us what religion was being pressed upon
the
people in the Declaration of Independence?
What gets me about you 'warm and fuzzy' generic god types, is your
complete ignorance of what you're talking about.
I didn't see a single Hindu, Moslem, Jew, Taoist, Black (any human
of 'color') sign the DOI. Did you? Maybe they were outside cleaning up
horse ***** while this wonderful moment for all was being debated.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Creator and
God were terms used by the founding fathers interchangeably. Creator is
about as generic as one can get.
Right. A DOI written by white, upper class Europeans that owned
slaves. Why don't you ask any christian in the US if Creator is a
quaint little euphemism for everyone's god. It's not.
Idiot.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
It is posts like this that make the NAZI hate rhetoric sound reasonable.
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17 Oct 2005 08:25:51 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:06:23 -0500, "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> wrote:
"Steve Knight" <wooly@sonic.netttt> wrote in message
news:qlv5l1ljqusj27n1a69nikpc0mqkkrkqic@4ax.com...
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:19:59 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
"Steve Knight" <wooly@sonic.netttt> wrote in message
news:vab3l15png304dne4tek41diotth9qbtj2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:45:29 -0500, "Hangfire"
<dfbeck@iowatelecom.net> wrote:
God is not a religion. Allah and Buddha are not religions. Mother
Nature
is
not a religion. And posting a sign that recognizes the existence of any
entity is not coercing, or forcing anyone to recognize an organized
religion
or abide by the teachings of an organized religion. That is why our
currency
still carries the phrase, "In God We Trust". It doesn't represent any
specific religion.
Are you willfully ignorant or just stupid?
ANY god mentioned in the US is the christian god. Not a generic
word meaning... whatever... for deity.
Would the 'Warlard' like to tell us what religion was being pressed upon
the
people in the Declaration of Independence?
What gets me about you 'warm and fuzzy' generic god types, is your
complete ignorance of what you're talking about.
I didn't see a single Hindu, Moslem, Jew, Taoist, Black (any human
of 'color') sign the DOI. Did you? Maybe they were outside cleaning up
horse ***** while this wonderful moment for all was being debated.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Creator and
God were terms used by the founding fathers interchangeably. Creator is
about as generic as one can get.
Right. A DOI written by white, upper class Europeans that owned
slaves. Why don't you ask any christian in the US if Creator is a
quaint little euphemism for everyone's god. It's not.
Idiot.
It is posts like this that make the NAZI hate rhetoric sound reasonable.
I guess it would seem that way to a deluded person. I notice you
haven't the intellectual spark to respond to what was said. Instead
you attack the person, not the message.
Can you figure out and tell us why you think I said something like
Nazi rhetoric?
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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