Religions > Atheism > God demands the blood, souls, and foreskins of our children.
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"Elf M. Sternberg" |
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29 Nov 2007 10:23:46 AM |
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God demands the blood, souls, and foreskins of our children. |
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
Okay, first of all, circumcision isn't necessary. It doesn't really
do the victim any good. We have these remarkable things called
"soap" and "showers" now to help us stay clean. The kid is twelve,
long past the age where this surgery can be considered minor.
Then we have Gloria Strauss, 11 years old, who died of a rare blood
cancer. She was pretty much a goner from the first moment, but what
sickened me was how her parents told her that if she prayed hard
enough, if she was a good enough girl, God would heal her. And if she
didn't get better, well, that was God's will and there was a good
reason for it. Her death would be a blessing. It would "bring the
community together."
And today, Dennis Lindberg, age 14, died of leukemia because he
refused the procedure that would save his life. Why? Because his
aunt had taught him that Jehovah didn't like blood transfusions.
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at
top is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the
first, the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*,
which he chose late in life. In the Lindberg case, the parent's
wishes are irrelevant *because of the child's religion*, which again
he chose late in life.
Yahweh remains as bloodthirsty as ever.
Elf
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Elf M. Sternberg, Immanentizing the Eschaton since 1988
http://www.pendorwright.com/
"You know how some people treat their body like a temple?
I treat mine like issa amusement park!" - Kei
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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| Title: Re: God demands the blood, souls, and foreskins of our children. |
30 Nov 2007 12:08:46 AM |
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Elf M. Sternberg <elf@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
Don't blame the God Who Isn't There... The best one can hope is that the
parents of these victims will awaken one day and take responsibility for
the pain they inflicted on their own children, a pain borne of
superstition and willful ignorance.
These three cases also confirm what I have long believed, that chief
among its many flaws, religion is institutionalized child abuse.
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: God demands the blood, souls, and foreskins of our children. |
29 Nov 2007 10:30:53 AM |
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On Nov 29, 8:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
Okay, first of all, circumcision isn't necessary. It doesn't really
do the victim any good. We have these remarkable things called
"soap" and "showers" now to help us stay clean. The kid is twelve,
long past the age where this surgery can be considered minor.
Then we have Gloria Strauss, 11 years old, who died of a rare blood
cancer. She was pretty much a goner from the first moment, but what
sickened me was how her parents told her that if she prayed hard
enough, if she was a good enough girl, God would heal her. And if she
didn't get better, well, that was God's will and there was a good
reason for it. Her death would be a blessing. It would "bring the
community together."
And today, Dennis Lindberg, age 14, died of leukemia because he
refused the procedure that would save his life. Why? Because his
aunt had taught him that Jehovah didn't like blood transfusions.
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at
top is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the
first, the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*,
which he chose late in life. In the Lindberg case, the parent's
wishes are irrelevant *because of the child's religion*, which again
he chose late in life.
Yahweh remains as bloodthirsty as ever.
Elf
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of fire
to compel obedience.
Michael
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| User: "thomas p." |
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| Title: Re: God demands the blood, souls, and foreskins of our children. |
29 Nov 2007 11:51:57 AM |
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"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:2f665dfc-dba7-4535-9b18-b80e9adaf746@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 29, 8:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
Okay, first of all, circumcision isn't necessary. It doesn't really
do the victim any good. We have these remarkable things called
"soap" and "showers" now to help us stay clean. The kid is twelve,
long past the age where this surgery can be considered minor.
Then we have Gloria Strauss, 11 years old, who died of a rare blood
cancer. She was pretty much a goner from the first moment, but what
sickened me was how her parents told her that if she prayed hard
enough, if she was a good enough girl, God would heal her. And if she
didn't get better, well, that was God's will and there was a good
reason for it. Her death would be a blessing. It would "bring the
community together."
And today, Dennis Lindberg, age 14, died of leukemia because he
refused the procedure that would save his life. Why? Because his
aunt had taught him that Jehovah didn't like blood transfusions.
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at
top is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the
first, the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*,
which he chose late in life. In the Lindberg case, the parent's
wishes are irrelevant *because of the child's religion*, which again
he chose late in life.
Yahweh remains as bloodthirsty as ever.
Elf
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of fire
to compel obedience.
Michael
And you are silly enough to believe it, and immoral enough to think it is
okay. Poor you.
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| User: "LC" |
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| Title: Re: God demands the blood, souls, and foreskins of our children. |
29 Nov 2007 05:58:55 PM |
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"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2f665dfc-dba7-4535-9b18-b80e9adaf746@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 29, 8:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
Okay, first of all, circumcision isn't necessary. It doesn't really
do the victim any good. We have these remarkable things called
"soap" and "showers" now to help us stay clean. The kid is twelve,
long past the age where this surgery can be considered minor.
Then we have Gloria Strauss, 11 years old, who died of a rare blood
cancer. She was pretty much a goner from the first moment, but what
sickened me was how her parents told her that if she prayed hard
enough, if she was a good enough girl, God would heal her. And if she
didn't get better, well, that was God's will and there was a good
reason for it. Her death would be a blessing. It would "bring the
community together."
And today, Dennis Lindberg, age 14, died of leukemia because he
refused the procedure that would save his life. Why? Because his
aunt had taught him that Jehovah didn't like blood transfusions.
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at
top is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the
first, the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*,
which he chose late in life. In the Lindberg case, the parent's
wishes are irrelevant *because of the child's religion*, which again
he chose late in life.
Yahweh remains as bloodthirsty as ever.
Elf
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of fire
to compel obedience.
Yeah, that one's a whopper, ain't it?
Sure has served the clergy well over the centuries, hmmm?
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: God demands the blood, souls, and foreskins of our children. |
29 Nov 2007 06:30:45 PM |
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Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
Okay, first of all, circumcision isn't necessary. It doesn't really
do the victim any good. We have these remarkable things called
"soap" and "showers" now to help us stay clean. The kid is twelve,
long past the age where this surgery can be considered minor.
Then we have Gloria Strauss, 11 years old, who died of a rare blood
cancer. She was pretty much a goner from the first moment, but what
sickened me was how her parents told her that if she prayed hard
enough, if she was a good enough girl, God would heal her. And if she
didn't get better, well, that was God's will and there was a good
reason for it. Her death would be a blessing. It would "bring the
community together."
And today, Dennis Lindberg, age 14, died of leukemia because he
refused the procedure that would save his life. Why? Because his
aunt had taught him that Jehovah didn't like blood transfusions.
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at
top is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the
first, the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*,
which he chose late in life. In the Lindberg case, the parent's
wishes are irrelevant *because of the child's religion*, which again
he chose late in life.
Yahweh remains as bloodthirsty as ever.
Elf
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of fire
to compel obedience.
No, that's what you try to threaten us with.
Of course, since we know it is an empty threat, we laugh at you every
time you make it.
Moron.
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: God demands the blood, souls, and foreskins of our children. |
29 Nov 2007 05:22:17 PM |
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On Nov 29, 11:30 am, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
Okay, first of all, circumcision isn't necessary. It doesn't really
do the victim any good. We have these remarkable things called
"soap" and "showers" now to help us stay clean. The kid is twelve,
long past the age where this surgery can be considered minor.
Then we have Gloria Strauss, 11 years old, who died of a rare blood
cancer. She was pretty much a goner from the first moment, but what
sickened me was how her parents told her that if she prayed hard
enough, if she was a good enough girl, God would heal her. And if she
didn't get better, well, that was God's will and there was a good
reason for it. Her death would be a blessing. It would "bring the
community together."
And today, Dennis Lindberg, age 14, died of leukemia because he
refused the procedure that would save his life. Why? Because his
aunt had taught him that Jehovah didn't like blood transfusions.
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at
top is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the
first, the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*,
which he chose late in life. In the Lindberg case, the parent's
wishes are irrelevant *because of the child's religion*, which again
he chose late in life.
Yahweh remains as bloodthirsty as ever.
Elf
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of fire
to compel obedience.
Then we should hunt the immoral ***** down and kill him. Infinite
threats require infinite punishments.
-PF
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| User: "Hollis Brown" |
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| Title: Re: God demands the blood, souls, and foreskins of our children. |
29 Nov 2007 05:20:23 PM |
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On Nov 29, 9:30 am, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
Okay, first of all, circumcision isn't necessary. It doesn't really
do the victim any good. We have these remarkable things called
"soap" and "showers" now to help us stay clean. The kid is twelve,
long past the age where this surgery can be considered minor.
Then we have Gloria Strauss, 11 years old, who died of a rare blood
cancer. She was pretty much a goner from the first moment, but what
sickened me was how her parents told her that if she prayed hard
enough, if she was a good enough girl, God would heal her. And if she
didn't get better, well, that was God's will and there was a good
reason for it. Her death would be a blessing. It would "bring the
community together."
And today, Dennis Lindberg, age 14, died of leukemia because he
refused the procedure that would save his life. Why? Because his
aunt had taught him that Jehovah didn't like blood transfusions.
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at
top is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the
first, the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*,
which he chose late in life. In the Lindberg case, the parent's
wishes are irrelevant *because of the child's religion*, which again
he chose late in life.
Yahweh remains as bloodthirsty as ever.
Elf
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of fire
to compel obedience.
Heh. I heard that one too. What do you suppose the guy who came up
with it was smoking?
Doesn't matter, I guess. I have yet to encounter a human who actually
believes that particular story (some give it lip service, but you can
see the truth in their eyes).
HB
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| User: "sleepykit" |
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| Title: Re: God demands the blood, souls, and foreskins of our children. |
29 Nov 2007 01:53:34 PM |
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On Nov 29, 9:30 am, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
Okay, first of all, circumcision isn't necessary. It doesn't really
do the victim any good. We have these remarkable things called
"soap" and "showers" now to help us stay clean. The kid is twelve,
long past the age where this surgery can be considered minor.
Then we have Gloria Strauss, 11 years old, who died of a rare blood
cancer. She was pretty much a goner from the first moment, but what
sickened me was how her parents told her that if she prayed hard
enough, if she was a good enough girl, God would heal her. And if she
didn't get better, well, that was God's will and there was a good
reason for it. Her death would be a blessing. It would "bring the
community together."
And today, Dennis Lindberg, age 14, died of leukemia because he
refused the procedure that would save his life. Why? Because his
aunt had taught him that Jehovah didn't like blood transfusions.
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at
top is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the
first, the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*,
which he chose late in life. In the Lindberg case, the parent's
wishes are irrelevant *because of the child's religion*, which again
he chose late in life.
Yahweh remains as bloodthirsty as ever.
Elf
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of fire
to compel obedience.
Michael
He does not threaten because his followers do a great job without any
extra help.
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| User: "William Wingstedt" |
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| Title: Re: God demands the blood, souls, and foreskins of our children. |
29 Nov 2007 11:57:00 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:30:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Ejercito
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
Okay, first of all, circumcision isn't necessary. It doesn't really
do the victim any good. We have these remarkable things called
"soap" and "showers" now to help us stay clean. The kid is twelve,
long past the age where this surgery can be considered minor.
Then we have Gloria Strauss, 11 years old, who died of a rare blood
cancer. She was pretty much a goner from the first moment, but what
sickened me was how her parents told her that if she prayed hard
enough, if she was a good enough girl, God would heal her. And if she
didn't get better, well, that was God's will and there was a good
reason for it. Her death would be a blessing. It would "bring the
community together."
And today, Dennis Lindberg, age 14, died of leukemia because he
refused the procedure that would save his life. Why? Because his
aunt had taught him that Jehovah didn't like blood transfusions.
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at
top is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the
first, the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*,
which he chose late in life. In the Lindberg case, the parent's
wishes are irrelevant *because of the child's religion*, which again
he chose late in life.
Yahweh remains as bloodthirsty as ever.
Elf
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of fire
to compel obedience.
Michael
Where'd you hear that?
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: God demands the blood, souls, and foreskins of our children. |
29 Nov 2007 05:11:13 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:57:00 GMT,
(William Wingstedt) wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:30:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Ejercito
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
Okay, first of all, circumcision isn't necessary. It doesn't really
do the victim any good. We have these remarkable things called
"soap" and "showers" now to help us stay clean. The kid is twelve,
long past the age where this surgery can be considered minor.
Then we have Gloria Strauss, 11 years old, who died of a rare blood
cancer. She was pretty much a goner from the first moment, but what
sickened me was how her parents told her that if she prayed hard
enough, if she was a good enough girl, God would heal her. And if she
didn't get better, well, that was God's will and there was a good
reason for it. Her death would be a blessing. It would "bring the
community together."
And today, Dennis Lindberg, age 14, died of leukemia because he
refused the procedure that would save his life. Why? Because his
aunt had taught him that Jehovah didn't like blood transfusions.
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at
top is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the
first, the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*,
which he chose late in life. In the Lindberg case, the parent's
wishes are irrelevant *because of the child's religion*, which again
he chose late in life.
Yahweh remains as bloodthirsty as ever.
Elf
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of fire
to compel obedience.
Michael
Where'd you hear that?
The schizophrenic voices in his head.
Michael has already revealed himself as a bloodthirsty amoral wannabe
mass murderer who is as dangerously crazy as they come.
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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| Title: Re: God demands the blood, souls, and foreskins of our children. |
29 Nov 2007 05:17:21 PM |
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On Nov 29, 4:11 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:57:00 GMT,
(William Wingstedt) wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:30:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Ejercito
<mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
Okay, first of all, circumcision isn't necessary. It doesn't really
do the victim any good. We have these remarkable things called
"soap" and "showers" now to help us stay clean. The kid is twelve,
long past the age where this surgery can be considered minor.
Then we have Gloria Strauss, 11 years old, who died of a rare blood
cancer. She was pretty much a goner from the first moment, but what
sickened me was how her parents told her that if she prayed hard
enough, if she was a good enough girl, God would heal her. And if she
didn't get better, well, that was God's will and there was a good
reason for it. Her death would be a blessing. It would "bring the
community together."
And today, Dennis Lindberg, age 14, died of leukemia because he
refused the procedure that would save his life. Why? Because his
aunt had taught him that Jehovah didn't like blood transfusions.
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at
top is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the
first, the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*,
which he chose late in life. In the Lindberg case, the parent's
wishes are irrelevant *because of the child's religion*, which again
he chose late in life.
Yahweh remains as bloodthirsty as ever.
Elf
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of fire
to compel obedience.
Michael
Where'd you hear that?
The schizophrenic voices in his head.
Michael has already revealed himself as a bloodthirsty amoral wannabe
mass murderer who is as dangerously crazy as they come.- Hide quoted text -
Actually, he sounds exactly like all the Conservative Baptists I grew
up with.
Brenda
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: God demands the blood, souls, and foreskins of our children. |
11 Dec 2007 07:54:26 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:17:21 -0800 (PST), skyeyes
<skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:11 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:57:00 GMT,
(William Wingstedt) wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:30:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Ejercito
<mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
Okay, first of all, circumcision isn't necessary. It doesn't really
do the victim any good. We have these remarkable things called
"soap" and "showers" now to help us stay clean. The kid is twelve,
long past the age where this surgery can be considered minor.
Then we have Gloria Strauss, 11 years old, who died of a rare blood
cancer. She was pretty much a goner from the first moment, but what
sickened me was how her parents told her that if she prayed hard
enough, if she was a good enough girl, God would heal her. And if she
didn't get better, well, that was God's will and there was a good
reason for it. Her death would be a blessing. It would "bring the
community together."
And today, Dennis Lindberg, age 14, died of leukemia because he
refused the procedure that would save his life. Why? Because his
aunt had taught him that Jehovah didn't like blood transfusions.
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at
top is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the
first, the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*,
which he chose late in life. In the Lindberg case, the parent's
wishes are irrelevant *because of the child's religion*, which again
he chose late in life.
Yahweh remains as bloodthirsty as ever.
Elf
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of fire
to compel obedience.
Michael
Where'd you hear that?
The schizophrenic voices in his head.
Michael has already revealed himself as a bloodthirsty amoral wannabe
mass murderer who is as dangerously crazy as they come.- Hide quoted text -
Actually, he sounds exactly like all the Conservative Baptists I grew
up with.
Like Mike stated.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: God demands the blood, souls, and foreskins of our children. |
29 Nov 2007 11:34:37 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:17:21 -0800 (PST), skyeyes
<skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:11 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:57:00 GMT,
(William Wingstedt) wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:30:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Ejercito
<mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
Okay, first of all, circumcision isn't necessary. It doesn't really
do the victim any good. We have these remarkable things called
"soap" and "showers" now to help us stay clean. The kid is twelve,
long past the age where this surgery can be considered minor.
Then we have Gloria Strauss, 11 years old, who died of a rare blood
cancer. She was pretty much a goner from the first moment, but what
sickened me was how her parents told her that if she prayed hard
enough, if she was a good enough girl, God would heal her. And if she
didn't get better, well, that was God's will and there was a good
reason for it. Her death would be a blessing. It would "bring the
community together."
And today, Dennis Lindberg, age 14, died of leukemia because he
refused the procedure that would save his life. Why? Because his
aunt had taught him that Jehovah didn't like blood transfusions.
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at
top is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the
first, the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*,
which he chose late in life. In the Lindberg case, the parent's
wishes are irrelevant *because of the child's religion*, which again
he chose late in life.
Yahweh remains as bloodthirsty as ever.
Elf
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of fire
to compel obedience.
Michael
Where'd you hear that?
The schizophrenic voices in his head.
Michael has already revealed himself as a bloodthirsty amoral wannabe
mass murderer who is as dangerously crazy as they come.- Hide quoted text -
Actually, he sounds exactly like all the Conservative Baptists I grew
up with.
That certainly does not say much for their morality or their sanity.
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On Nov 29, 10:34 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:17:21 -0800 (PST), skyeyes
<skye...@dakotacom.net> wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:11 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:57:00 GMT,
(William Wingstedt) wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:30:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Ejercito
<mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
Okay, first of all, circumcision isn't necessary. It doesn't really
do the victim any good. We have these remarkable things called
"soap" and "showers" now to help us stay clean. The kid is twelve,
long past the age where this surgery can be considered minor.
Then we have Gloria Strauss, 11 years old, who died of a rare blood
cancer. She was pretty much a goner from the first moment, but what
sickened me was how her parents told her that if she prayed hard
enough, if she was a good enough girl, God would heal her. And if she
didn't get better, well, that was God's will and there was a good
reason for it. Her death would be a blessing. It would "bring the
community together."
And today, Dennis Lindberg, age 14, died of leukemia because he
refused the procedure that would save his life. Why? Because his
aunt had taught him that Jehovah didn't like blood transfusions.
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at
top is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the
first, the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*,
which he chose late in life. In the Lindberg case, the parent's
wishes are irrelevant *because of the child's religion*, which again
he chose late in life.
Yahweh remains as bloodthirsty as ever.
Elf
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of fire
to compel obedience.
Michael
Where'd you hear that?
The schizophrenic voices in his head.
Michael has already revealed himself as a bloodthirsty amoral wannabe
mass murderer who is as dangerously crazy as they come.- Hide quoted text -
Actually, he sounds exactly like all the Conservative Baptists I grew
up with.
That certainly does not say much for their morality or their sanity.
Indeed. Which I why I try my level best never to associate with any
of them these days. Now that my mother's passed away, it's easier to
keep them at arm's length, as she had many old friends in that
denomination even after she went rogue and joined the Evangelical
Lutheran church.
Brenda
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30 Nov 2007 12:52:52 PM |
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In article <f21b41fe-1d5b-4768-82af-4660d3e11927@l16g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> skyeyes <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> writes:
On Nov 29, 10:34 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:17:21 -0800 (PST), skyeyes
<skye...@dakotacom.net> wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:11 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:57:00 GMT,
(William Wingstedt) wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:30:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Ejercito
<mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
Okay, first of all, circumcision isn't necessary. It doesn't really
do the victim any good. We have these remarkable things called
"soap" and "showers" now to help us stay clean. The kid is twelve,
long past the age where this surgery can be considered minor.
Then we have Gloria Strauss, 11 years old, who died of a rare blood
cancer. She was pretty much a goner from the first moment, but what
sickened me was how her parents told her that if she prayed hard
enough, if she was a good enough girl, God would heal her. And if she
didn't get better, well, that was God's will and there was a good
reason for it. Her death would be a blessing. It would "bring the
community together."
And today, Dennis Lindberg, age 14, died of leukemia because he
refused the procedure that would save his life. Why? Because his
aunt had taught him that Jehovah didn't like blood transfusions.
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at
top is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the
first, the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*,
which he chose late in life. In the Lindberg case, the parent's
wishes are irrelevant *because of the child's religion*, which again
he chose late in life.
Yahweh remains as bloodthirsty as ever.
Elf
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of fire
to compel obedience.
Michael
Where'd you hear that?
The schizophrenic voices in his head.
Michael has already revealed himself as a bloodthirsty amoral wannabe
mass murderer who is as dangerously crazy as they come.- Hide quoted text -
Actually, he sounds exactly like all the Conservative Baptists I grew
up with.
That certainly does not say much for their morality or their sanity.
Indeed. Which I why I try my level best never to associate with any
of them these days. Now that my mother's passed away, it's easier to
keep them at arm's length, as she had many old friends in that
denomination even after she went rogue and joined the Evangelical
Lutheran church.
The Evangelical Lutheran Church? From what you've said of your
upbringing, wasn't that like joining the Communist Party or
something? I mean, *Lutherans*. Buncha of giddy party-sodden,
libertines; she'd as well have gone Satanist?
-- cary
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11 Dec 2007 07:56:01 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:52:52 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <f21b41fe-1d5b-4768-82af-4660d3e11927@l16g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> skyeyes <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> writes:
On Nov 29, 10:34 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:17:21 -0800 (PST), skyeyes
[]
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of fire
to compel obedience.
Michael
Where'd you hear that?
The schizophrenic voices in his head.
Michael has already revealed himself as a bloodthirsty amoral wannabe
mass murderer who is as dangerously crazy as they come.- Hide quoted text -
Actually, he sounds exactly like all the Conservative Baptists I grew
up with.
That certainly does not say much for their morality or their sanity.
Indeed. Which I why I try my level best never to associate with any
of them these days. Now that my mother's passed away, it's easier to
keep them at arm's length, as she had many old friends in that
denomination even after she went rogue and joined the Evangelical
Lutheran church.
The Evangelical Lutheran Church? From what you've said of your
upbringing, wasn't that like joining the Communist Party or
something? I mean, *Lutherans*. Buncha of giddy party-sodden,
libertines; she'd as well have gone Satanist?
But the rituals are to dye/die for.
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11 Dec 2007 07:53:26 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:30:53 -0800 (PST), Michael Ejercito
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
Okay, first of all, circumcision isn't necessary. It doesn't really
do the victim any good. We have these remarkable things called
"soap" and "showers" now to help us stay clean. The kid is twelve,
long past the age where this surgery can be considered minor.
Then we have Gloria Strauss, 11 years old, who died of a rare blood
cancer. She was pretty much a goner from the first moment, but what
sickened me was how her parents told her that if she prayed hard
enough, if she was a good enough girl, God would heal her. And if she
didn't get better, well, that was God's will and there was a good
reason for it. Her death would be a blessing. It would "bring the
community together."
And today, Dennis Lindberg, age 14, died of leukemia because he
refused the procedure that would save his life. Why? Because his
aunt had taught him that Jehovah didn't like blood transfusions.
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at
top is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the
first, the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*,
which he chose late in life. In the Lindberg case, the parent's
wishes are irrelevant *because of the child's religion*, which again
he chose late in life.
Yahweh remains as bloodthirsty as ever.
Elf
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of fire
to compel obedience.
Burn baby burn. You're gonna burn, Michael. For eternity. How
Loving®
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29 Nov 2007 06:21:44 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:30:53 -0800 (PST), in alt.atheism , Michael
Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> in
<2f665dfc-dba7-4535-9b18-b80e9adaf746@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
Okay, first of all, circumcision isn't necessary. It doesn't really
do the victim any good. We have these remarkable things called
"soap" and "showers" now to help us stay clean. The kid is twelve,
long past the age where this surgery can be considered minor.
Then we have Gloria Strauss, 11 years old, who died of a rare blood
cancer. She was pretty much a goner from the first moment, but what
sickened me was how her parents told her that if she prayed hard
enough, if she was a good enough girl, God would heal her. And if she
didn't get better, well, that was God's will and there was a good
reason for it. Her death would be a blessing. It would "bring the
community together."
And today, Dennis Lindberg, age 14, died of leukemia because he
refused the procedure that would save his life. Why? Because his
aunt had taught him that Jehovah didn't like blood transfusions.
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at
top is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the
first, the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*,
which he chose late in life. In the Lindberg case, the parent's
wishes are irrelevant *because of the child's religion*, which again
he chose late in life.
Yahweh remains as bloodthirsty as ever.
Elf
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of fire
to compel obedience.
Not the guy involved in the circumcision issue above. That Elf has
mixed the two together does not make the two theologies the same.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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30 Nov 2007 09:18:10 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:30:53 -0800, Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
Okay, first of all, circumcision isn't necessary. It doesn't really do
the victim any good. We have these remarkable things called "soap" and
"showers" now to help us stay clean. The kid is twelve, long past the
age where this surgery can be considered minor.
Then we have Gloria Strauss, 11 years old, who died of a rare blood
cancer. She was pretty much a goner from the first moment, but what
sickened me was how her parents told her that if she prayed hard
enough, if she was a good enough girl, God would heal her. And if she
didn't get better, well, that was God's will and there was a good
reason for it. Her death would be a blessing. It would "bring the
community together."
And today, Dennis Lindberg, age 14, died of leukemia because he refused
the procedure that would save his life. Why? Because his aunt had
taught him that Jehovah didn't like blood transfusions.
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at top
is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the first,
the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*, which
he chose late in life. In the Lindberg case, the parent's wishes are
irrelevant *because of the child's religion*, which again he chose late
in life.
Yahweh remains as bloodthirsty as ever.
Elf
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of fire
to compel obedience.
Yeah but you worship a cosmic Saddam Hussein...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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30 Nov 2007 11:38:36 AM |
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On Nov 30, 7:18 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:30:53 -0800, Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
Okay, first of all, circumcision isn't necessary. It doesn't really do
the victim any good. We have these remarkable things called "soap" and
"showers" now to help us stay clean. The kid is twelve, long past the
age where this surgery can be considered minor.
Then we have Gloria Strauss, 11 years old, who died of a rare blood
cancer. She was pretty much a goner from the first moment, but what
sickened me was how her parents told her that if she prayed hard
enough, if she was a good enough girl, God would heal her. And if she
didn't get better, well, that was God's will and there was a good
reason for it. Her death would be a blessing. It would "bring the
community together."
And today, Dennis Lindberg, age 14, died of leukemia because he refused
the procedure that would save his life. Why? Because his aunt had
taught him that Jehovah didn't like blood transfusions.
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at top
is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the first,
the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*, which
he chose late in life. In the Lindberg case, the parent's wishes are
irrelevant *because of the child's religion*, which again he chose late
in life.
Yahweh remains as bloodthirsty as ever.
Elf
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of fire
to compel obedience.
Yeah but you worship a cosmic Saddam Hussein...
How is God Almighty similar to Saddam Hussein?
Michael
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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30 Nov 2007 01:09:25 PM |
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Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Nov 30, 7:18 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:30:53 -0800, Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
Okay, first of all, circumcision isn't necessary. It doesn't really do
the victim any good. We have these remarkable things called "soap" and
"showers" now to help us stay clean. The kid is twelve, long past the
age where this surgery can be considered minor.
Then we have Gloria Strauss, 11 years old, who died of a rare blood
cancer. She was pretty much a goner from the first moment, but what
sickened me was how her parents told her that if she prayed hard
enough, if she was a good enough girl, God would heal her. And if she
didn't get better, well, that was God's will and there was a good
reason for it. Her death would be a blessing. It would "bring the
community together."
And today, Dennis Lindberg, age 14, died of leukemia because he refused
the procedure that would save his life. Why? Because his aunt had
taught him that Jehovah didn't like blood transfusions.
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at top
is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the first,
the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*, which
he chose late in life. In the Lindberg case, the parent's wishes are
irrelevant *because of the child's religion*, which again he chose late
in life.
Yahweh remains as bloodthirsty as ever.
Elf
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of fire
to compel obedience.
Yeah but you worship a cosmic Saddam Hussein...
How is God Almighty similar to Saddam Hussein?
It is incredible how you ask the most ignorant fucking questions time
and time again.
It has been explained to you, dense one. Now grow the ***** up and shut
the ***** up.
***** poor excuse for a human being *****.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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30 Nov 2007 01:28:03 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:38:36 -0800, Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Nov 30, 7:18 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:30:53 -0800, Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of
the woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
Okay, first of all, circumcision isn't necessary. It doesn't really
do the victim any good. We have these remarkable things called
"soap" and "showers" now to help us stay clean. The kid is twelve,
long past the age where this surgery can be considered minor.
Then we have Gloria Strauss, 11 years old, who died of a rare blood
cancer. She was pretty much a goner from the first moment, but what
sickened me was how her parents told her that if she prayed hard
enough, if she was a good enough girl, God would heal her. And if
she didn't get better, well, that was God's will and there was a
good reason for it. Her death would be a blessing. It would "bring
the community together."
And today, Dennis Lindberg, age 14, died of leukemia because he
refused the procedure that would save his life. Why? Because his
aunt had taught him that Jehovah didn't like blood transfusions.
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at
top is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the
first, the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's
religion*, which he chose late in life. In the Lindberg case, the
parent's wishes are irrelevant *because of the child's religion*,
which again he chose late in life.
Yahweh remains as bloodthirsty as ever.
Elf
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of
fire
to compel obedience.
Yeah but you worship a cosmic Saddam Hussein...
How is God Almighty similar to Saddam Hussein?
"Do what I want or I'll torture you" is something both have said...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“In this world of sin and sorrow there is always
something to be thankful for; as for me,
I rejoice that I am not a Republican.”
- H. L. Mencken
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11 Dec 2007 07:57:28 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:28:03 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:38:36 -0800, Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Nov 30, 7:18 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:30:53 -0800, Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Nov 29, 8:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of
the woods recently.
[]
Yahweh remains as bloodthirsty as ever.
Elf
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of
fire
to compel obedience.
Yeah but you worship a cosmic Saddam Hussein...
How is God Almighty similar to Saddam Hussein?
"Do what I want or I'll torture you" is something both have said...
You left out; "Do what I want and I'll torture you anyway."
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30 Nov 2007 01:29:33 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com>
bloodied us up with this:
How is God Almighty similar to Saddam Hussein?
And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to
an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be
scourged.--Lev.19:20
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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29 Nov 2007 01:32:33 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com>
bloodied us up with this:
I heard that He threatens us with eternal torment in a lake of fire
to compel obedience.
You heard wrong.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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29 Nov 2007 05:16:28 PM |
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On Nov 29, 9:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
<Snip>
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at
top is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the
first, the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*,
which he chose late in life.
I find this curious on a couple of levels. For one thing, I believe
that Jews reckon Jewishness through the mother's line, not the
father's. Second, they can't possibly *force* a 12-year-old to have
an elective surgery he doesn't want, can they? And can they force him
to convert to a religion? I remember being 12 years old. No way
could anyone have made me convert to a religion I didn't want to be
in. Somebody needs to tell the kid he can get a lawyer and, if
necessary, challenge his father's custody of him and have a new
guardian appointed.
Damn, now I wish I had gone to law school. Most days I sit around
wishing I'd gone to med school. Oh, well.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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29 Nov 2007 06:36:46 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:16:28 -0800 (PST), in alt.atheism , skyeyes
<skyeyes@dakotacom.net> in
<ee6c0251-bcab-4b2c-b155-ba00d7bdbc89@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
wrote:
On Nov 29, 9:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
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What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at
top is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the
first, the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*,
which he chose late in life.
I find this curious on a couple of levels. For one thing, I believe
that Jews reckon Jewishness through the mother's line, not the
father's.
A good point. Which suggests that there is something wrong with the
unsourced story.
Second, they can't possibly *force* a 12-year-old to have
an elective surgery he doesn't want, can they?
Probably they can. If it was serious dangerous surgery perhaps the
state could step in and appoint a guardian, but circumcision is so
minor they would not bother.
And can they force him
to convert to a religion?
An interesting question. I doubt that a rabbi would do it if the child
objected, but I don't know the details. 12 is pretty old for this.
I remember being 12 years old. No way
could anyone have made me convert to a religion I didn't want to be
in. Somebody needs to tell the kid he can get a lawyer and, if
necessary, challenge his father's custody of him and have a new
guardian appointed.
Damn, now I wish I had gone to law school. Most days I sit around
wishing I'd gone to med school. Oh, well.
And then to Yahsheva for an other side.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
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"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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30 Nov 2007 12:52:34 PM |
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On Nov 29, 5:36 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:16:28 -0800 (PST), in alt.atheism , skyeyes
<skye...@dakotacom.net> in
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Damn, now I wish I had gone to law school. Most days I sit around
wishing I'd gone to med school. Oh, well.
And then to Yahsheva for an other side.
Law school or medical school, I could have been accepted to.
Yahsheva, I have my doubts. :)
Brenda
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: God demands the blood, souls, and foreskins of our children. |
29 Nov 2007 11:36:05 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:16:28 -0800 (PST), skyeyes
<skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote:
On Nov 29, 9:23 am, Elf M. Sternberg <e...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
<Snip>
What sickens me most about the Lindberg case and the Oregon case at
top is how they defer to religion above any other principle: in the
first, the father's wishes prevail *because of the father's religion*,
which he chose late in life.
I find this curious on a couple of levels. For one thing, I believe
that Jews reckon Jewishness through the mother's line, not the
father's. Second, they can't possibly *force* a 12-year-old to have
an elective surgery he doesn't want, can they? And can they force him
to convert to a religion? I remember being 12 years old. No way
could anyone have made me convert to a religion I didn't want to be
in. Somebody needs to tell the kid he can get a lawyer and, if
necessary, challenge his father's custody of him and have a new
guardian appointed.
Damn, now I wish I had gone to law school. Most days I sit around
wishing I'd gone to med school. Oh, well.
This is a case that could combine the two!
A medical crime.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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29 Nov 2007 05:09:22 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:23:46 -0800, Elf M. Sternberg
<elf@speakeasy.net> wrote:
The Christian God has been disgustingly bloodthirsty in my neck of the
woods recently.
The first news is from Oregon, where a man converted to Judaism, won
custody of his 12 year old son, and now wants the boy to undergo
circumcision.
Okay, first of all, circumcision isn't necessary. It doesn't really
do the victim any good. We have these remarkable things called
"soap" and "showers" now to help us stay clean. The kid is twelve,
long past the age where this surgery can be considered minor.
Mostly it is a purely cosmetic ritual mutilation, and it should be
crime to perform it on any non-adult who does not give informed
consent, if done for superstitious reasons.
It is a clear case of permanent physical child-abuse, and deserves the
highest punishment.
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