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13 Jan 2006 08:34:40 PM |
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God Exists!!!! |
Psa 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows
His handiwork.
Psa 19:2 Day unto day utters speech, And night unto night reveals
knowledge.
Every where what we see, we see God's handiwork. Man is still trying to
figure out how it can be. DNA structure in itself is so complex that it
can't happen by chance or by itself.
Have you ever seen a clock broken by a big-bang assemble itself? No
nothing in the world assembles itself by random chances.
Vinod Isaac
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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14 Jan 2006 08:18:32 PM |
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"vinisaac" <vinisaac@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Psa 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows
His handiwork.
Psa 19:2 Day unto day utters speech, And night unto night reveals
knowledge.
Argument from unsupported assertion. Refuted.
Every where what we see, we see God's handiwork.
Teleological argument. Refuted.
Man is still trying to
figure out how it can be.
We have found out most of it already.
DNA structure in itself is so complex that it
can't happen by chance or by itself.
Argument from ignorance. Refuted.
Have you ever seen a clock broken by a big-bang assemble itself?
Argument from probability. Refuted.
No
nothing in the world assembles itself by random chances.
Strawman. Refuted.
Are you trying for the record number of fallacious statements made in one
post?
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| User: "kathryn" |
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14 Jan 2006 06:41:51 AM |
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"vinisaac" <vinisaac@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Psa 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows
His handiwork.
Psa 19:2 Day unto day utters speech, And night unto night reveals
knowledge.
Every where what we see, we see God's handiwork. Man is still trying to
figure out how it can be. DNA structure in itself is so complex that it
can't happen by chance or by itself.
Have you ever seen a clock broken by a big-bang assemble itself? No
nothing in the world assembles itself by random chances.
Vinod Isaac
http://vinodisaac.com
You must be new
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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13 Jan 2006 08:39:56 PM |
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"vinisaac" <vinisaac@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Prove it!
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| User: "vinisaac" |
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13 Jan 2006 08:52:18 PM |
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What kind of proof you are looking for?
Vinod Isaac
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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13 Jan 2006 09:12:36 PM |
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"vinisaac" <vinisaac@gmail.com> wrote in message
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What kind of proof you are looking for?
Scientific, objective and verifiable. Got any?
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| User: "vinisaac" |
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13 Jan 2006 09:37:29 PM |
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Yes,
God is not a physical substance that you can put Him in a test tube and
test. God is "a being" so you have to test Him according to what He
says.
Lot of the time problem is people try to put Him in a test tube and
test. That method itself is unscientific.
Now God spoke few things and those things came into existence as it was
spoken. For example
Psa 22:1 My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me? Why are You so far
from helping Me, And from the words of My groaning?
Jesus spoke same words from the Cross
Psa 22:7 All those who see Me ridicule Me; They shoot out the lip,
they shake the head, saying,
Psa 22:8 "He trusted in the LORD, let Him rescue Him; Let Him deliver
Him, since He delights in Him!"
Those were the exact words spoken about Jesus
Mat 27:43 "He trusted in God; let Him deliver Him now if He will have
Him; for He said, 'I am the Son of God.'"
Mat 27:44 Even the robbers who were crucified with Him reviled Him
with the same thing.
Psa 22:14 I am poured out like water, And all My bones are out of
joint; My heart is like wax; It has melted within Me.
Psa 22:15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd, And My tongue
clings to My jaws; You have brought Me to the dust of death.
Jesus was thirsty on the cross exactly as described in these verses
Psa 22:18 They divide My garments among them, And for My clothing they
cast lots.
Cloths of Jesus were divided among the soldiers
Mark 15:24 And when they crucified Him, they divided His garments,
casting lots for them to determine what every man should take.
Well these are just few of the things there are more than 300
prophecies that has come to pass on Jesus
Predicting future is out of the scope of Science and so is God out of
the scope of Science.
Vinod Isaac
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: God Exists!!!! |
14 Jan 2006 08:24:50 PM |
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"vinisaac" <vinisaac@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Yes,
God is not a physical substance that you can put Him in a test tube and
test. God is "a being" so you have to test Him according to what He
says.
Circular argument. Refuted.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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13 Jan 2006 09:48:00 PM |
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"vinisaac" <vinisaac@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Yes,
God
Prove it exists.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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13 Jan 2006 11:16:40 PM |
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In <1137209849.129374.213230@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "vinisaac"
<vinisaac@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes,
God is not a physical substance that you can put Him in a test tube and
test. God is "a being" so you have to test Him according to what He says.
Lot of the time problem is people try to put Him in a test tube and test.
That method itself is unscientific.
Now God spoke few things and those things came into existence as it was
spoken. For example
Psa 22:1
<SNIP>
Do you understand that atheists don't believe your bible? Quoting bible
verses at us is pointless. Utterly, totally, massively pointless...
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Mark K. Bilbo
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Charity hospital closes for good
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F3D51207C
A city on hold
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y3E55207C
If Katrina was a "judgment," god hates poor people
and churches but loves a good party...
http://www.nola.com/mardigras/
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "vinisaac" |
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14 Jan 2006 04:05:01 PM |
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Yes exactly that is the point "Atheists don't believe in Bible". They
have a belief system and that belief system is based on lies.
If they were logical, honest people they will read Bible and try to
compare it with reality and see it is true or not. Because they reject
Bible without examining they can't figure out what is truth or in other
words who is truth. Jesus is truth and He has demonstrated it with His
life.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Vinod Isaac
http://vinodisaac.com
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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14 Jan 2006 08:25:56 PM |
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"vinisaac" <vinisaac@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Yes exactly that is the point "Atheists don't believe in Bible". They
have a belief system and that belief system is based on lies.
If they were logical, honest people they will read Bible and try to
compare it with reality and see it is true or not.
Most of us HAVE read the Bible and found it contradictory to reality.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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14 Jan 2006 05:19:23 PM |
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In <1137276301.015453.104740@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "vinisaac"
<vinisaac@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes exactly that is the point "Atheists don't believe in Bible". They have
a belief system and that belief system is based on lies.
Oh? And what "belief system" do I have?
If they were logical, honest people they will read Bible and try to
compare it with reality and see it is true or not. Because they reject
Bible without examining they can't figure out what is truth or in other
words who is truth. Jesus is truth and He has demonstrated it with His
life.
I hate to burst your bubble Skippy but most of the folks in alt.atheism
*were Christians once. I was raised fundamentalist myself. I've read and
studied more of the bible than most Christians I meet.
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Mark K. Bilbo
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Charity hospital closes for good
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F3D51207C
A city on hold
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y3E55207C
If Katrina was a "judgment," god hates poor people
and churches but loves a good party...
http://www.nola.com/mardigras/
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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14 Jan 2006 06:27:54 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet vinisaac
(vinisaac@gmail.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Yes exactly that is the point "Atheists don't believe in Bible". They
have a belief system and that belief system is based on lies.
That's funny, I don't have a belief system. Does anyone else in here
have a belief system?
If they were logical, honest people they will read Bible and try to
compare it with reality and see it is true or not.
We are logical, honest people, and most of us have read the bible.
That's why we are atheists. The bible contains stories from some
alternate universe. Like Back To The Future II, where they go back to
1985 and it has skewed into some alternate 1985.
Because they reject
Bible without examining they can't figure out what is truth or in other
words who is truth. Jesus is truth and He has demonstrated it with His
life.
The Jesus myth came almost directly out of the Mithras myth, which was
concocted some 600 years before the Jesus myth. Google it up some day,
and keep in mind that time does not advance in reverse.
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Quoting bible verses in alt.atheism is a waste of time and bandwidth.
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011, aw Hellboy #5
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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14 Jan 2006 10:08:30 PM |
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Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> had me ROTFL with:
news:Xns974BA76291893vicman@216.196.97.136:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet vinisaac
(vinisaac@gmail.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Yes exactly that is the point "Atheists don't believe in Bible". They
have a belief system and that belief system is based on lies.
That's funny, I don't have a belief system. Does anyone else in here
have a belief system?
Yep!! It's my belief that Vinisaac is insane!
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Lörd Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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14 Jan 2006 05:35:43 PM |
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vinisaac wrote:
Yes exactly that is the point "Atheists don't believe in Bible". They
have a belief system and that belief system is based on lies.
If they were logical, honest people they will read Bible and try to
compare it with reality and see it is true or not. Because they reject
Bible without examining they can't figure out what is truth or in other
words who is truth. Jesus is truth and He has demonstrated it with His
life.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Nice claim, prove it, hard evidence only please.
Christians tell us that if we don't accept Jesus
as son of god we burn in hell, Moslems say this is
a great insult to Allah, claim this and burn in hell.
Which one is true and where is the hard evidence
these bible claims are true? How do you know Islam is
not right?
John 14 says christians will be able to work bigger
miracles than Jesus. They don't.
God is fairly easy to disprove. So Jesus is a
shaky claim.
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a shotgun in order to get a deferment. Nor was I
willing to go to Canada. So I chose to better
myself by learning how to fly airplanes."
-- George W. Bush - [Houston Chronicle, 5/8/94]
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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13 Jan 2006 10:28:02 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet vinisaac (vinisaac@gmail.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
Yes,
God is not a physical substance that you can put Him in a test tube and
test. God is "a being" so you have to test Him according to what He
says.
Christian Copout. What does god say? What does his voice sound like? If
he was real, you WOULD be able to judge him on terms of reality, which
include the five senses - assuming your bible is serious about us being
created in his image.
Lot of the time problem is people try to put Him in a test tube and
test. That method itself is unscientific.
Now God spoke few things and those things came into existence as it was
spoken. For example
<snip bible verses>
Once again, your bible is irrelevant to reality. Let's meet somewhere.
Produce your god so he can be sensed with *one* of my five senses, and I
will be convinced there is a god. Otherwise, back under your bridge,
troll.
Well these are just few of the things there are more than 300
prophecies that has come to pass on Jesus
*****! Prophesies my *****! How difficult do you think it was to read
the Old Testament, then write its sequel and fulfil all the prophesies?
Predicting future is out of the scope of Science and so is God out of
the scope of Science.
And thus unprovable. Like the Emperor's New Clothes - if you can't see his
Clothes, you aren't worthy of his kingdom. This is what I call a Christian
Copout. The god is very real to those who desperately want it to be real.
For those of us who don't care, it's a very obvious illusion and a lie used
to control large populations. Looks like they've got you under control.
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011, aw Hellboy #5
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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14 Jan 2006 08:01:02 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "vinisaac" <vinisaac@gmail.com>
posting the following on 13 Jan 2006 19:37:29 -0800 iin alt.atheism?
God is not a physical substance that you can put Him in a test tube and
test. God is "a being" so you have to test Him according to what He
says.
OK, under this theory every other god claimed by humanity in its long
history is also real, since we can judge them by their words as well.
All the Norse gods, the Greco-Roman Gods, the Chinese, Hindu,
Meso-American, Amerind, Pacific Islander... *all* of them are just as
real as your deity.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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14 Jan 2006 02:30:02 AM |
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vinisaac wrote:
Yes,
God is not a physical substance that you can put Him in a test tube and
test. God is "a being" so you have to test Him according to what He
says.
Your bible makes claims that are false.
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Mark 11:23-4
For verily I say this unto you, That
whosoever shall say unto this mountain,
Be thou removed, and be thou cast
into the sea; and shall not doubt
in his heart, but shall believe that
those things which he saith shall
come to pass; he shall have whatsoever
he saith. Therefore I say unto you, What
things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
believe ye recieve them and ye shall have
them.
Matthew 18:19-20
Again I say unto you, that if two of you
shall agree on earth as touching anything
that they shall ask, it shall be done for
them of my father which is in heaven. For
where two or three are gathered in my name,
there I am in the midst of them.
Matthew 21:22
And all things,whatsoever ye shall ask
in prayer, believeing, ye shall recieve.
John 14:12-14
12: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that
believeth on me, the works that I do shall he
do also; and greater works than these shall
he do; because I go unto my Father.
13: And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name,
that will I do, that the Father may be glorified
in the Son
14: If ye shall ask any thing in my name,
I will do it.
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Lot of the time problem is people try to put Him in a test tube and
test. That method itself is unscientific.
Now God spoke few things and those things came into existence as it was
spoken. For example
Psa 22:1 My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me? Why are You so far
from helping Me, And from the words of My groaning?
Jesus spoke same words from the Cross
Psa 22:7 All those who see Me ridicule Me; They shoot out the lip,
they shake the head, saying,
Psa 22:8 "He trusted in the LORD, let Him rescue Him; Let Him deliver
Him, since He delights in Him!"
Those were the exact words spoken about Jesus
Mat 27:43 "He trusted in God; let Him deliver Him now if He will have
Him; for He said, 'I am the Son of God.'"
Mat 27:44 Even the robbers who were crucified with Him reviled Him
with the same thing.
Psa 22:14 I am poured out like water, And all My bones are out of
joint; My heart is like wax; It has melted within Me.
Psa 22:15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd, And My tongue
clings to My jaws; You have brought Me to the dust of death.
Jesus was thirsty on the cross exactly as described in these verses
Psa 22:18 They divide My garments among them, And for My clothing they
cast lots.
Cloths of Jesus were divided among the soldiers
Mark 15:24 And when they crucified Him, they divided His garments,
casting lots for them to determine what every man should take.
Well these are just few of the things there are more than 300
prophecies that has come to pass on Jesus
Predicting future is out of the scope of Science and so is God out of
the scope of Science.
Vinod Isaac
http://vinodisaac.com
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"I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with
a shotgun in order to get a deferment. Nor was I
willing to go to Canada. So I chose to better
myself by learning how to fly airplanes."
-- George W. Bush - [Houston Chronicle, 5/8/94]
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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13 Jan 2006 10:03:27 PM |
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"vinisaac" <vinisaac@gmail.com> wrote in news:1137207138.415272.52190
@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
What kind of proof you are looking for?
Vinod Isaac
http://vinodisaac.com
Something concrete.
Consider the quantum wave function. This wonderfully simple fact proves
that no one, not even God knows the exact positon and velocity of a
particle. All that can be known is the probability of a particle's
position and velocity. That alone proves that your God is NOT omninpotent.
Since you claim that God is omnipotent and we have proof that he isn't,
your God cannot exist.
Don't feel bad. Lots of Christians don't have the mental capacity to
understand it. You will have to take my word, Stephen Hawkings word, and
many others word that God does not exist and cannot exist.
pierce
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| User: "vinisaac" |
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13 Jan 2006 10:20:30 PM |
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For your information exact position and velocity of a particle can not
be known is a limitation of Science not of God. Yes Science is not God
that is why it is limited and can't go beyond it's limitation. That is
the exact reason with all medical advaces people still die, because
science does not have ability and capacity to create life.
Many of the recent scientific developments are not new to God for
example
Cloning God cloned the first human being by putting Adam to sleep and
creating Eve.
Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he
slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its
place.
Gen 2:22 Then the rib which the LORD God had taken from man He made
into a woman, and He brought her to the man.
Gen 2:23 And Adam said: "This is now bone of my bones And flesh of my
flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man."
Now there are few significant things in those verses
"God caused a deep sleep" - that is first Anesthesia that ever happened
on the face of earth. It was recorded centuries before medical science
came up with Anesthesia.
"He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place" - that
is first surgery every performed and surgen knew it very well and
Anesthesia is needs to be given and He also knew that flesh needs to be
closed up.
Well first two things are pretty normal to us because we have seen it
from child hood but people didn't have all this till very recently and
if you ask people who lived 300 years back probably they would have
laughed saying this is all fiction.
"Then the rib which the LORD God had taken from man He made into a
woman" - This is the area where Science is stepping into right now and
it doesn't know for sure if it can handle the cloning well. God already
did it and that also successfully. That also without the surgical
instruments.
Vinod Isaac
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| User: "Lörd Phÿltêr" |
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14 Jan 2006 01:44:57 AM |
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"vinisaac" <vinisaac@gmail.com> had me ROTFL with:
news:1137212430.440145.134170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
For your information exact position and velocity of a particle can not
be known is a limitation of Science not of God. Yes Science is not God
that is why it is limited and can't go beyond it's limitation. That is
the exact reason with all medical advaces people still die, because
science does not have ability and capacity to create life.
Many of the recent scientific developments are not new to God for
example
Cloning God cloned the first human being by putting Adam to sleep and
creating Eve.
Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he
slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its
place.
Gen 2:22 Then the rib which the LORD God had taken from man He made
into a woman, and He brought her to the man.
Gen 2:23 And Adam said: "This is now bone of my bones And flesh of my
flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man."
Now there are few significant things in those verses
"God caused a deep sleep" - that is first Anesthesia that ever happened
on the face of earth. It was recorded centuries before medical science
came up with Anesthesia.
"He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place" - that
is first surgery every performed and surgen knew it very well and
Anesthesia is needs to be given and He also knew that flesh needs to be
closed up.
Well first two things are pretty normal to us because we have seen it
from child hood but people didn't have all this till very recently and
if you ask people who lived 300 years back probably they would have
laughed saying this is all fiction.
"Then the rib which the LORD God had taken from man He made into a
woman" - This is the area where Science is stepping into right now and
it doesn't know for sure if it can handle the cloning well. God already
did it and that also successfully. That also without the surgical
instruments.
You haven't got a fucking clue, have you.
Genesis is *****
Question: Where are all the giants now?
Ref: Genesis 6:4
"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when
the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children
to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."
This is allegory, it refers to people of influence, not stature.
al·le·go·ry Pronunciation Key (l-gôr, -gr)
n. pl. al·le·go·ries
The representation of abstract ideas or principles by characters, figures,
or events in narrative, dramatic, or pictorial form.
A story, picture, or play employing such representation. John Bunyan's
Pilgrim's Progress and Herman Melville's Moby ***** are allegories.
A symbolic representation: The blindfolded figure with scales is an
allegory of justice.
IOW (In Other Words) my simpleton friend, "the bile" is a collection of
faerie stories which explain the "sometimes complex" to the "all the time
stupid"
I dare you to visit the website in my sig.
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Lörd Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: God Exists!!!! |
14 Jan 2006 08:16:12 AM |
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"vinisaac" <vinisaac@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137212430.440145.134170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
For your information exact position and velocity of a particle can not
be known is a limitation of Science not of God. Yes Science is not God
that is why it is limited and can't go beyond it's limitation. That is
the exact reason with all medical advaces people still die, because
science does not have ability and capacity to create life.
Can't prove your god exists, huh?
Didn't think so.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: God Exists!!!! |
14 Jan 2006 08:51:37 AM |
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"vinisaac" <vinisaac@gmail.com> wrote in news:1137212430.440145.134170
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
For your information exact position and velocity of a particle can not
be known is a limitation of Science not of God. Yes Science is not God
that is why it is limited and can't go beyond it's limitation. That is
the exact reason with all medical advaces people still die, because
science does not have ability and capacity to create life.
Go ahead - keep burying your head in the sand. God only knows the wave
function. You are trying to prove black is white so you might as well give
up.
Many of the recent scientific developments are not new to God for
example
Cloning God cloned the first human being by putting Adam to sleep and
creating Eve.
Only in you mind.
biblical drivel snipped.
I told you that the bible is not an authoritative reference.
Watch this video to find out why.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3593866248238036452
Word of God???? *****!
pierce
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: God Exists!!!! |
14 Jan 2006 08:04:34 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "vinisaac" <vinisaac@gmail.com>
posting the following on 13 Jan 2006 20:20:30 -0800 iin alt.atheism?
Many of the recent scientific developments are not new to God for
example
Cloning God cloned the first human being by putting Adam to sleep and
creating Eve.
1. Clones are genetic duplicates. Which means that they are the same
sex. Adam and Steve, anyone?
2. Cloning requires a single cell, not an entire rib.
3. The Genesis 2 account contradicts Genesis 1 on the subject of the
creation of mankind. Genesis 1:27 has man and woman created at the
same time.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: God Exists!!!! |
14 Jan 2006 11:57:37 PM |
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In <r21is191c0o990lr23hijg4pg09gg7lkjc@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and "vinisaac" <vinisaac@gmail.com>
posting the following on 13 Jan 2006 20:20:30 -0800 iin alt.atheism?
Many of the recent scientific developments are not new to God for example
Cloning God cloned the first human being by putting Adam to sleep and
creating Eve.
1. Clones are genetic duplicates. Which means that they are the same sex.
Adam and Steve, anyone?
Apparently god failed biology class...
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Mark K. Bilbo
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Charity hospital closes for good
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F3D51207C
A city on hold
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y3E55207C
If Katrina was a "judgment," god hates poor people
and churches but loves a good party...
http://www.nola.com/mardigras/
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: God Exists!!!! |
15 Jan 2006 01:29:04 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:18idnYbMzNHPeVTenZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@megapath.net:
In <r21is191c0o990lr23hijg4pg09gg7lkjc@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and "vinisaac" <vinisaac@gmail.com>
posting the following on 13 Jan 2006 20:20:30 -0800 iin alt.atheism?
Many of the recent scientific developments are not new to God for
example Cloning God cloned the first human being by putting Adam to
sleep and creating Eve.
1. Clones are genetic duplicates. Which means that they are the same
sex.
Adam and Steve, anyone?
Apparently god failed biology class...
Mark,
There comes a time when a discussion becomes so inane that one has to just
sit back and be in total awe. When vinosac started with the clone bit I
had to just drop out and contemplate one of Albert Einstein's statements.
I came to the comclusion that he was indeed correct. Stupidity is
infinite. Maybe you can educate vinosac. I think it is hopeless but feel
free to try.
pierce
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: God Exists!!!! |
15 Jan 2006 08:51:57 AM |
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In <Xns974CF2777728mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:18idnYbMzNHPeVTenZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@megapath.net:
In <r21is191c0o990lr23hijg4pg09gg7lkjc@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and "vinisaac" <vinisaac@gmail.com>
posting the following on 13 Jan 2006 20:20:30 -0800 iin alt.atheism?
Many of the recent scientific developments are not new to God for
example Cloning God cloned the first human being by putting Adam to
sleep and creating Eve.
1. Clones are genetic duplicates. Which means that they are the same
sex.
Adam and Steve, anyone?
Apparently god failed biology class...
Mark,
There comes a time when a discussion becomes so inane that one has to just
sit back and be in total awe. When vinosac started with the clone bit I
had to just drop out and contemplate one of Albert Einstein's statements.
I came to the comclusion that he was indeed correct. Stupidity is
infinite. Maybe you can educate vinosac. I think it is hopeless but feel
free to try.
Educate a fundie? I'd have a better chance of emptying the Gulf of Mexico
with a teaspoon...
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Mark K. Bilbo
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Charity hospital closes for good
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F3D51207C
A city on hold
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y3E55207C
If Katrina was a "judgment," god hates poor people
and churches but loves a good party...
http://www.nola.com/mardigras/
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Olrik" |
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| Title: Re: God Exists!!!! |
15 Jan 2006 12:47:12 AM |
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vinisaac wrote:
For your information exact position and velocity of a particle can not
be known is a limitation of Science
False. It's a limitation of the way the universe works. The uncertainty
principle is not a limitation of instruments or maths.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_Principle
not of God. Yes Science is not God
that is why it is limited and can't go beyond it's limitation. That is
the exact reason with all medical advaces people still die, because
science does not have ability and capacity to create life.
Many of the recent scientific developments are not new to God for
example
Cloning God cloned the first human being by putting Adam to sleep and
creating Eve.
Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he
slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its
place.
Gen 2:22 Then the rib which the LORD God had taken from man He made
into a woman, and He brought her to the man.
Gen 2:23 And Adam said: "This is now bone of my bones And flesh of my
flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man."
Now there are few significant things in those verses
"God caused a deep sleep" - that is first Anesthesia that ever happened
on the face of earth. It was recorded centuries before medical science
came up with Anesthesia.
"He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place" - that
is first surgery every performed and surgen knew it very well and
Anesthesia is needs to be given and He also knew that flesh needs to be
closed up.
Well first two things are pretty normal to us because we have seen it
from child hood but people didn't have all this till very recently and
if you ask people who lived 300 years back probably they would have
laughed saying this is all fiction.
"Then the rib which the LORD God had taken from man He made into a
woman" - This is the area where Science is stepping into right now and
it doesn't know for sure if it can handle the cloning well. God already
did it and that also successfully. That also without the surgical
instruments.
You're kidding, right?
Vinod Isaac
http://vinodisaac.com
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Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: God Exists!!!! |
13 Jan 2006 11:15:33 PM |
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In <1137207138.415272.52190@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "vinisaac"
<vinisaac@gmail.com> wrote:
What kind of proof you are looking for?
Isn't your god omniscient? If so, he already knows.
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Mark K. Bilbo
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Charity hospital closes for good
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F3D51207C
A city on hold
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y3E55207C
If Katrina was a "judgment," god hates poor people
and churches but loves a good party...
http://www.nola.com/mardigras/
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: God Exists!!!! |
14 Jan 2006 02:26:41 AM |
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vinisaac wrote:
What kind of proof you are looking for?
John 14:12-14
12: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that
believeth on me, the works that I do shall he
do also; and greater works than these shall
he do; because I go unto my Father.
13: And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name,
that will I do, that the Father may be
glorified in the Son.
14: If ye shall ask any thing in my name,
I will do it.
Work us a miracle like Jesus said Christians can do.
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"I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with
a shotgun in order to get a deferment. Nor was I
willing to go to Canada. So I chose to better
myself by learning how to fly airplanes."
-- George W. Bush - [Houston Chronicle, 5/8/94]
Cheerful Charlie
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