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"Michael Gray" |
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27 Aug 2005 07:56:43 PM |
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God has a bit of fun... |
GodŽ has had a great time recently, brutally slaughtering 7 Florida
residents with his kamikaze.
I guess for this playful fun being, squishing a few humans in his
cosmic train-set is how he gets his jollies.
And then, bored with that, he swapped to drowning Western Europe, and
set fire to Portugal, for something to do.
A right little vandal!
I can see how the antics of this cheeky chappy would have massive
appeal to folks.
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| User: "beforehand" |
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| Title: Re: God has a bit of fun... |
27 Aug 2005 11:29:09 PM |
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:jf22h11b7mp35ctcgiof5ar776q23cqfhd@4ax.com...
GodŽ has had a great time recently, brutally slaughtering 7 Florida
residents with his kamikaze.
What happened? A MAN killed some people? Well... wouldn't
it be conveniant for GOD to save people in trouble, just so that
YOU wouldn't feel any guilt at all. Try changing your society for
the better, then, maybe, but just maybe, people wouldn't do
bad and evil things. But hey... we cannot have that. THAT is not
what this system has in mind for us, now does it?
'Buhuhuhu, God, help us. You dont help us, buhuhuhu'- Michael
sitting in his brand new Chevy Impala, drinking some fine irish malt,
talking to himself.
WHOOSH! Michael just had an idea! 'There is NO God!'.
YOU have the responsibility to HELP people, not GOD!
But hey, I must agree, it would be great if all of us could
just snap our fingers and call in God to help us...
I guess for this playful fun being, squishing a few humans in his
cosmic train-set is how he gets his jollies.
Like, YOU did something to prevent that... pih... I bet you channeled
them energy waves just in the right direction, didn't you my pretty little
buoy? Aiight!
And then, bored with that, he swapped to drowning Western Europe, and
set fire to Portugal, for something to do.
Hm... you blame God? Hahahaha... I must say, I truly believe
you are crying in your bed at night for the sake of those people
in Europe, and in Portugal. I bet you were the first one sending
money, food, clothes to both Romania and Portugal. I bet you are taking
a leave at your work, and you have joined a task force in Portugal
to keep them fires under control. And after you are done with helping
the poor little people of Portugal, then you will rush to Romania, where
you will join a task force for helping people who got hit by floods.
I must say, WHAT can GOD do, when HE has you! Such a samaritan!
He NEEDS no help. He'll prolly give you a medal or some *****...
A right little vandal!
I can see how the antics of this cheeky chappy would have massive
appeal to folks.
Folks? Which folks? Believers or nonbelievers?
PS.
You think GOD is responsible for them fires and floods? What about
global warming? Climate changes due to over excessive usage of cars,
due to the factories spewing out obnoxious and hazardous gases? What
about your oh so beloved president, who refuses to sign the Kyoto treaty?
WHAT about your contry being a slave to the BUCK? Profit... power... ?
No comment? Just ranting, am I not? RIGHT!
Nah, I bet God is responsible for all the bad things nowadays. *****,
it must be GREAT being an atheist; at least, you know who you can
blame for all the bad things, ain't it?
And Michael, dearest, NEVER blame yourself. Oh no...
because then, IT will make you... BUUUUUUUURN!
'Burn, burn, you're supposed to burn,
Burn, burn, you're supposed to burn!'
Breathe, juuuuust breathe... c'mon, breathe with me! Feel the air
running thru your nostrils? Getting inside your lungs? O2 'dissolving'
inside you? Yes, mmmm, yes... good... now tell me again; ARE you
free at last? Mwwwaaaahahahahahahahahahaha...
PPS.
C'mon, wuzz just fuc*ing around with ya... what do you think?
PPPS.
I can prolly now just 'fu*k off', right? Ok, I go...
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: God has a bit of fun... |
28 Aug 2005 02:58:49 AM |
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On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 06:29:09 +0200, "beforehand"
<beforehand@gmail.com> wrote:
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:jf22h11b7mp35ctcgiof5ar776q23cqfhd@4ax.com...
GodŽ has had a great time recently, brutally slaughtering 7 Florida
residents with his kamikaze.
What happened? A MAN killed some people? Well... wouldn't
it be conveniant for GOD to save people in trouble,
Yes it would. It would also be convenient if there was a Santa Claus.
Ah well, let the children have their little fantasies.
snip
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "beforehand" |
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| Title: Re: God has a bit of fun... |
28 Aug 2005 05:24:47 AM |
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"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:j7q2h1hio4hu9i4tv3areg44lo0h01is5e@4ax.com...
What happened? A MAN killed some people? Well... wouldn't
it be conveniant for GOD to save people in trouble,
Yes it would. It would also be convenient if there was a Santa Claus.
Ah well, let the children have their little fantasies.
Comparing God with Santa Clause? Lemme compare you and
a filthy pig, if I may... mmkay?
snip
Wow, nothing to say at all... well...
Thomas P.
Pee
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
Well, wasn't he smart. Now tell me, is there any other
way than forward? Puts...
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: God has a bit of fun... |
28 Aug 2005 12:31:19 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:24:47 +0200, "beforehand"
<beforehand@gmail.com> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:j7q2h1hio4hu9i4tv3areg44lo0h01is5e@4ax.com...
What happened? A MAN killed some people? Well... wouldn't
it be conveniant for GOD to save people in trouble,
Yes it would. It would also be convenient if there was a Santa Claus.
Ah well, let the children have their little fantasies.
Comparing God with Santa Clause? Lemme compare you and
a filthy pig, if I may... mmkay?
Feel free.
snip
Wow, nothing to say at all... well...
That is why I snipped it.
Thomas P.
Pee
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
Well, wasn't he smart. Now tell me, is there any other
way than forward? Puts...
Have a truly nice day.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "beforehand" |
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| Title: Re: God has a bit of fun... |
28 Aug 2005 06:40:12 PM |
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"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:8ss3h1dsp9oik8d1s9b6jt890v5nt3oqsr@4ax.com...
Comparing God with Santa Clause? Lemme compare you and
a filthy pig, if I may... mmkay?
Feel free.
Free? I'm not free. Are you?
snip
Wow, nothing to say at all... well...
That is why I snipped it.
No, dude, you snipped it cause you don't agree with me, so there
is no interest there for you. Don't front...
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
Well, wasn't he smart. Now tell me, is there any other
way than forward? Puts...
Have a truly nice day.
Don't lie.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: God has a bit of fun... |
28 Aug 2005 05:48:57 AM |
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beforehand wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:j7q2h1hio4hu9i4tv3areg44lo0h01is5e@4ax.com...
What happened? A MAN killed some people? Well... wouldn't
it be conveniant for GOD to save people in trouble,
Yes it would. It would also be convenient if there was a Santa Claus.
Ah well, let the children have their little fantasies.
Comparing God with Santa Clause?
Claus doesn't have an E in it. He's not a contract section.
And yes, God and Santa Claus both have the same evidence. That is: None.
Asking us to prove that there is no god is the same as asking us to
prove there is no Santa Claus.
Lemme compare you and
a filthy pig, if I may... mmkay?
And you say that atheists are meanspirited...
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| User: "beforehand" |
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| Title: Re: God has a bit of fun... |
28 Aug 2005 06:38:37 PM |
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"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:tEgQe.7815$um2.1283@trnddc03...
Comparing God with Santa Clause?
Claus doesn't have an E in it. He's not a contract section.
Sorry. Lapsus calami.
And yes, God and Santa Claus both have the same evidence. That is: None.
Well, then air also don't exist... you can't see it, so it isn't there. Right?
Asking us to prove that there is no god is the same as asking us to
prove there is no Santa Claus.
Yeah. Just like YOU want believers to prove to YOU that
there is God. So, I used reverse psychology, and I asked you,
theists almost the same question.
Lemme compare you and
a filthy pig, if I may... mmkay?
And you say that atheists are meanspirited...
No man, it was just the first thing that came to my mind... I admit,
it doesn't sound nice, so sorry. But you do get the point?
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| User: "Jos Flachs - skip the aa" |
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| Title: Re: God has a bit of fun... |
29 Aug 2005 06:21:01 PM |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:38:37 +0200, "beforehand"
<beforehand@gmail.com> wrote:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:tEgQe.7815$um2.1283@trnddc03...
Comparing God with Santa Clause?
Claus doesn't have an E in it. He's not a contract section.
Sorry. Lapsus calami.
And yes, God and Santa Claus both have the same evidence. That is: None.
Well, then air also don't exist... you can't see it, so it isn't there. Right?
Mind if I inquire about your education? Didn't get beyond 2nd grade
high school?
I'm more than happy to compress your gods, to proof they exist. Or
what about burning your gods, in a closed glass bottle?
Asking us to prove that there is no god is the same as asking us to
prove there is no Santa Claus.
Yeah. Just like YOU want believers to prove to YOU that
there is God. So, I used reverse psychology, and I asked you,
theists almost the same question.
The difference being the burden of proof. Which rests so firmly on
your strong shoulders.
Lemme compare you and
a filthy pig, if I may... mmkay?
And you say that atheists are meanspirited...
No man, it was just the first thing that came to my mind... I admit,
it doesn't sound nice, so sorry. But you do get the point?
Nope, I don't. Do try again.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: God has a bit of fun... |
28 Aug 2005 07:12:46 PM |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:38:37 +0200, "beforehand"
<beforehand@gmail.com> wrote:
And yes, God and Santa Claus both have the same evidence. That is: None.
Well, then air also don't exist... you can't see it, so it isn't there. Right?
Where did he say that, moron?
Provide as much evidence for God and Santa Claus that there is for
air.
Asking us to prove that there is no god is the same as asking us to
prove there is no Santa Claus.
Yeah. Just like YOU want believers to prove to YOU that
there is God. So, I used reverse psychology, and I asked you,
theists almost the same question.
No, liar. It's all about you sociopaths putting up or shutting up -
preferably the latter when you realise you can't do the former.
Nobody would give a flying ***** about your religious beliefs, if you
kept them to yourselves.
Lemme compare you and
a filthy pig, if I may... mmkay?
And you say that atheists are meanspirited...
No man, it was just the first thing that came to my mind... I admit,
it doesn't sound nice, so sorry. But you do get the point?
What "point", moron?
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| User: "beforehand" |
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28 Aug 2005 07:31:54 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:2fk4h15nmrnbs5ussv3h6cl7ah0u158ca2@4ax.com...
And yes, God and Santa Claus both have the same evidence. That is: None.
Well, then air also don't exist... you can't see it, so it isn't there. Right?
Where did he say that, moron?
He assumes it. It's plain to see.
Provide as much evidence for God and Santa Claus that there is for
air.
I asked first. Didn't I? I know nothing about atheism, so I thought
I would come down here to get some answers. Apparently, all I got
was couple of '***** offs' and a bunch of replies...and I cannot reply
to all of them. Cause you are using 'lets beat him with sheer quantity
of our replies, maybe he'll really *****' technique. I see... I see...
Heh...
Asking us to prove that there is no god is the same as asking us to
prove there is no Santa Claus.
Yeah. Just like YOU want believers to prove to YOU that
there is God. So, I used reverse psychology, and I asked you,
theists almost the same question.
No, liar. It's all about you sociopaths putting up or shutting up -
preferably the latter when you realise you can't do the former.
Like I said, wuzz right about you techniques. And I don't lie.
Nobody would give a flying ***** about your religious beliefs, if you
kept them to yourselves.
Yeah, so you could do more of initiations of the 'unsuspected sheep'
for your 'clique'.
Lemme compare you and
a filthy pig, if I may... mmkay?
And you say that atheists are meanspirited...
No man, it was just the first thing that came to my mind... I admit,
it doesn't sound nice, so sorry. But you do get the point?
What "point", moron?
Ok, lack of imagination...
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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28 Aug 2005 08:06:44 PM |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 02:31:54 +0200, "beforehand"
<beforehand@gmail.com> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:2fk4h15nmrnbs5ussv3h6cl7ah0u158ca2@4ax.com...
And yes, God and Santa Claus both have the same evidence. That is: None.
Well, then air also don't exist... you can't see it, so it isn't there. Right?
Where did he say that, moron?
He assumes it. It's plain to see.
No, liar, you invented something he didn't say.
You dishonestly replaced "evidence" with "see" and applied it to
something that isn't in dispute, because it is the label applied to
something evidenced.
But then you already knew that.
Provide as much evidence for God and Santa Claus that there is for
air.
I asked first. Didn't I? I know nothing about atheism, so I thought
That's obvious, moron.
I would come down here to get some answers. Apparently, all I got
was couple of '***** offs' and a bunch of replies...and I cannot reply
to all of them. Cause you are using 'lets beat him with sheer quantity
of our replies, maybe he'll really *****' technique. I see... I see...
Because you got it wrong and neither listened, apologised nor leaned
but continued repeating your bigoted falsehood.
But then you also knew that so stop whining about being called an
***** when you're treated like an anal sphincter for being a rectal
orifice.
Heh...
Asking us to prove that there is no god is the same as asking us to
prove there is no Santa Claus.
Yeah. Just like YOU want believers to prove to YOU that
there is God. So, I used reverse psychology, and I asked you,
theists almost the same question.
No, liar. It's all about you sociopaths putting up or shutting up -
preferably the latter when you realise you can't do the former.
Like I said, wuzz right about you techniques. And I don't lie.
Why do you continue to lie?
Nobody would give a flying ***** about your religious beliefs, if you
kept them to yourselves.
Yeah, so you could do more of initiations of the 'unsuspected sheep'
for your 'clique'.
What "clique", liar?
Lemme compare you and
a filthy pig, if I may... mmkay?
And you say that atheists are meanspirited...
No man, it was just the first thing that came to my mind... I admit,
it doesn't sound nice, so sorry. But you do get the point?
What "point", moron?
Ok, lack of imagination...
What "point", moron?
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| User: "beforehand" |
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29 Aug 2005 09:45:40 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:oin4h19qqgddrvp5ar3od3i9ki5cv5i9pt@4ax.com...
He assumes it. It's plain to see.
No, liar, you invented something he didn't say.
You dishonestly replaced "evidence" with "see" and applied it to
something that isn't in dispute, because it is the label applied to
something evidenced.
I treat you, the same way YOU treat me.
But then you already knew that.
And you too...
Provide as much evidence for God and Santa Claus that there is for
air.
I asked first. Didn't I? I know nothing about atheism, so I thought
That's obvious, moron.
So explain it to me... and don't give me that atheist bible 'we all repeat it'
crap.
I would come down here to get some answers. Apparently, all I got
was couple of '***** offs' and a bunch of replies...and I cannot reply
to all of them. Cause you are using 'lets beat him with sheer quantity
of our replies, maybe he'll really *****' technique. I see... I see...
Because you got it wrong and neither listened, apologised nor leaned
but continued repeating your bigoted falsehood.
Bigoted? YOU are a bigot.
But then you also knew that so stop whining about being called an
***** when you're treated like an anal sphincter for being a rectal
orifice.
Well well... someone got pissed. Good. Mission accomplished.
Now... just... odjebi.
Asking us to prove that there is no god is the same as asking us to
prove there is no Santa Claus.
Yeah. Just like YOU want believers to prove to YOU that
there is God. So, I used reverse psychology, and I asked you,
theists almost the same question.
No, liar. It's all about you sociopaths putting up or shutting up -
preferably the latter when you realise you can't do the former.
Like I said, wuzz right about you techniques. And I don't lie.
Why do you continue to lie?
Nope. YOU do.
Nobody would give a flying ***** about your religious beliefs, if you
kept them to yourselves.
Yeah, so you could do more of initiations of the 'unsuspected sheep'
for your 'clique'.
What "clique", liar?
You know... don't front.
Lemme compare you and
a filthy pig, if I may... mmkay?
And you say that atheists are meanspirited...
No man, it was just the first thing that came to my mind... I admit,
it doesn't sound nice, so sorry. But you do get the point?
What "point", moron?
Ok, lack of imagination...
What "point", moron?
YOU just made it... idiot.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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29 Aug 2005 10:49:23 AM |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:45:40 +0200, "beforehand"
<beforehand@gmail.com> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:oin4h19qqgddrvp5ar3od3i9ki5cv5i9pt@4ax.com...
He assumes it. It's plain to see.
No, liar, you invented something he didn't say.
You dishonestly replaced "evidence" with "see" and applied it to
something that isn't in dispute, because it is the label applied to
something evidenced.
I treat you, the same way YOU treat me.
It's merely what comes round, going around.
I'll remind you taht you are merely treated as the rude, dishonest
liar you initially showed yourself to be.
IF you don't like it, tough - you hypocrites are supposed to turn the
other cheek.
But in any case, the solution is easy. Be honest and stop lying.
But then you already knew that.
And you too...
Another of your lies.
Provide as much evidence for God and Santa Claus that there is for
air.
I asked first. Didn't I? I know nothing about atheism, so I thought
That's obvious, moron.
So explain it to me... and don't give me that atheist bible 'we all repeat it'
crap.
What "Atheist bible", liar?
I would come down here to get some answers. Apparently, all I got
was couple of '***** offs' and a bunch of replies...and I cannot reply
to all of them. Cause you are using 'lets beat him with sheer quantity
of our replies, maybe he'll really *****' technique. I see... I see...
Because you got it wrong and neither listened, apologised nor leaned
but continued repeating your bigoted falsehood.
Bigoted? YOU are a bigot.
Another of your lies.
But then you also knew that so stop whining about being called an
***** when you're treated like an anal sphincter for being a rectal
orifice.
Well well... someone got pissed. Good. Mission accomplished.
Now... just... odjebi.
You must be a Christian - we know you by your fruits: your
in-your-face slanders, nastiness, dishonesty and lies.
Asking us to prove that there is no god is the same as asking us to
prove there is no Santa Claus.
Yeah. Just like YOU want believers to prove to YOU that
there is God. So, I used reverse psychology, and I asked you,
theists almost the same question.
No, liar. It's all about you sociopaths putting up or shutting up -
preferably the latter when you realise you can't do the former.
Like I said, wuzz right about you techniques. And I don't lie.
Why do you continue to lie?
Nope. YOU do.
Where, liar?
Nobody would give a flying ***** about your religious beliefs, if you
kept them to yourselves.
Yeah, so you could do more of initiations of the 'unsuspected sheep'
for your 'clique'.
What "clique", liar?
You know... don't front.
What "clique", liar?
Lemme compare you and
a filthy pig, if I may... mmkay?
And you say that atheists are meanspirited...
No man, it was just the first thing that came to my mind... I admit,
it doesn't sound nice, so sorry. But you do get the point?
What "point", moron?
Ok, lack of imagination...
What "point", moron?
YOU just made it... idiot.
What "point", liar and idiot?
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| User: "doomed.society" |
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| Title: Re: God has a bit of fun... |
29 Aug 2005 08:12:22 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:5cb6h1d7u7u2ntourr2ob55eor49jqks00@4ax.com...
I treat you, the same way YOU treat me.
It's merely what comes round, going around.
Sorry. My original post was polite, nice, and not offensive.
I'll remind you taht you are merely treated as the rude, dishonest
liar you initially showed yourself to be.
You say...
IF you don't like it, tough - you hypocrites are supposed to turn the
other cheek.
I did. Again, and again... pisshead.
But in any case, the solution is easy. Be honest and stop lying.
I'm honest, thus I don't lie. YOU lie. And, both you and I know
the reason.
But then you already knew that.
And you too...
Another of your lies.
Pffffffffffffff...
That's obvious, moron.
So explain it to me... and don't give me that atheist bible 'we all repeat it'
crap.
What "Atheist bible", liar?
Use your imagination... dumbass.
Because you got it wrong and neither listened, apologised nor leaned
but continued repeating your bigoted falsehood.
Bigoted? YOU are a bigot.
Another of your lies.
Pffffffffffffffffff...
Well well... someone got pissed. Good. Mission accomplished.
Now... just... odjebi.
You must be a Christian - we know you by your fruits: your
in-your-face slanders, nastiness, dishonesty and lies.
No, I must be an atheist if I'm all that...
Like I said, wuzz right about you techniques. And I don't lie.
Why do you continue to lie?
Nope. YOU do.
Where, liar?
Pffffffffffffffff...
What "clique", liar?
You know... don't front.
What "clique", liar?
Pfffffffffffffffff...
What "point", moron?
YOU just made it... idiot.
What "point", liar and idiot?
And you just made my point, yet once again...
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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29 Aug 2005 05:58:51 PM |
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beforehand wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:oin4h19qqgddrvp5ar3od3i9ki5cv5i9pt@4ax.com...
He assumes it. It's plain to see.
No, liar, you invented something he didn't say.
You dishonestly replaced "evidence" with "see" and applied it to
something that isn't in dispute, because it is the label applied to
something evidenced.
I treat you, the same way YOU treat me.
Where did we change your wording?
But then you already knew that.
And you too...
Provide as much evidence for God and Santa Claus that there is for
air.
I asked first. Didn't I? I know nothing about atheism, so I thought
That's obvious, moron.
So explain it to me...
Atheism is the lack of belief in gods.
and don't give me that atheist bible 'we all repeat it'
crap.
We don't have any Bible.
I would come down here to get some answers. Apparently, all I got
was couple of '***** offs' and a bunch of replies...and I cannot reply
to all of them. Cause you are using 'lets beat him with sheer quantity
of our replies, maybe he'll really *****' technique. I see... I see...
Because you got it wrong and neither listened, apologised nor leaned
but continued repeating your bigoted falsehood.
Bigoted? YOU are a bigot.
A bigot is one that assumes something about a group based on the actions
of a single person. We are not assuming anything about the group you
reside in, yet you assume a lot about atheists.
Is English your first language?
But then you also knew that so stop whining about being called an
***** when you're treated like an anal sphincter for being a rectal
orifice.
Well well... someone got pissed. Good. Mission accomplished.
So, that's what you're here for? To get the regulars *****? Hm.
So you admit to trolling and flamebaiting.
Now... just... odjebi.
Sorry, but I will not *****.
Asking us to prove that there is no god is the same as asking us to
prove there is no Santa Claus.
Yeah. Just like YOU want believers to prove to YOU that
there is God. So, I used reverse psychology, and I asked you,
theists almost the same question.
No, liar. It's all about you sociopaths putting up or shutting up -
preferably the latter when you realise you can't do the former.
Like I said, wuzz right about you techniques. And I don't lie.
Why do you continue to lie?
Nope. YOU do.
A lie.
Nobody would give a flying ***** about your religious beliefs, if you
kept them to yourselves.
Yeah, so you could do more of initiations of the 'unsuspected sheep'
for your 'clique'.
What "clique", liar?
You know... don't front.
No, we don't. What "clique?"
Lemme compare you and
a filthy pig, if I may... mmkay?
And you say that atheists are meanspirited...
No man, it was just the first thing that came to my mind... I admit,
it doesn't sound nice, so sorry. But you do get the point?
What "point", moron?
Ok, lack of imagination...
What "point", moron?
YOU just made it... idiot.
So, you don't have a point, beyond flamebaiting and trolling. You,
however, seem to have an affinity for Croatian, so...
Jebo ti pas mater
Popusi mi kurac
-and-
Pedercina slone jedan
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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And yes, God and Santa Claus both have the same evidence. That is: None.
Well, then air also don't exist... you can't see it, so it isn't there. Right?
Where did he say that, moron?
He assumes it. It's plain to see.
I assume nothing. Not even God.
Provide as much evidence for God and Santa Claus that there is for
air.
I asked first. Didn't I?
I will answer in the nicest way possible, even though you have provided
your own share of insulting posts.
There is no God because there is no evidence for it.
Is that simple enough? You can *EASILY* prove us wrong by simply
providing evidence that there IS a god.
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29 Aug 2005 10:17:55 AM |
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"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:RmuQe.15872$yv2.4351@trnddc04...
He assumes it. It's plain to see.
I assume nothing. Not even God.
You don't believe in God in the first place.
Provide as much evidence for God and Santa Claus that there is for
air.
I asked first. Didn't I?
I will answer in the nicest way possible, even though you have provided
your own share of insulting posts.
Talk to the members of your clan first... they started it.
There is no God because there is no evidence for it.
Well, God don't work that way.
Is that simple enough? You can *EASILY* prove us wrong by simply
providing evidence that there IS a god.
YOU have just provided the evidence... San buoy.
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29 Aug 2005 05:44:44 PM |
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"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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He assumes it. It's plain to see.
I assume nothing. Not even God.
You don't believe in God in the first place.
Provide as much evidence for God and Santa Claus that there is for
air.
I asked first. Didn't I?
I will answer in the nicest way possible, even though you have provided
your own share of insulting posts.
Talk to the members of your clan first... they started it.
There is no God because there is no evidence for it.
Well, God don't work that way.
If there is no evidence for god, you don't get to
claim god as a fact or reality.
But, god has problems, and can easily be debunked.
And that is what counts. That it can be debunked.
God does work that way.
Part 1
IS THERE A GOD?
Strong Atheism's answer.
A BASIC DEFINITION OF GOD.
The general overarching definition of god as per
the major religions of the world is:
A. God is personal, God has will and conciousness.
B. God has free will.
C. God is the creator of all.
D. God is omnipotent.
E. God is omnibenevolent.
F. God is omniscient.
G. God is that which nothing more powerful
can be imagined.
These are the basic attributes that can be claimed for
the god of orthodox Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and
Hinduism.
Omnibenevolence and omniscience are actually logically
derivable from the claimed attribute of omnipotence and
so aren't not truely independent attributes, and may be
considered special aspects of omnipotence.
There are other attributes of god, that he is the only
such god, that he is is immortal and that god has always
existed that are not important for this discussion and for
now, can be ignored. They are secondary arguments and in
no way are foundational or truely necessary, except those
that can be logically derived from the attributes listed
above.
A CLASS OF GODS
It is important to note here that this is a definition
not for a particular god, but an entire class of gods.
Sub-theories about god are not important here. Christianity
claims one may attain salvation only through Jesus, Islam
claims the Christian dogma that Jesus was the son of god is
blasphemous. Ideas like this though, are of little importance
to the overarching and general claims made for a personal,
creator, omni-everything god. I have coined a term,
The Grand God of Grand Theologies for this sort of god.
Grand theologies are those theologies that have adopted this
class of god as their basic attributes concerning the nature
of god. But it is important to remember here that what is
being discussed here is a class of gods, not particular gods.
THE FOUR GREAT THEOLOGICAL TRADITIONS
Again, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism hold
to this basic Grand God and are typical Grand Theologies
holding to this basic class of god as their basic
definitions of what god is at god's most basic level.
A big problem with this class of gods is, it collapses
rather easily into internal self contradiction.
THE PROBLEM OF EVIL.
The problem of evil was first written down by Epicurus
in about the third century BCE.
Today's formulation is:
A. God is defined as omnipotent;
B. and as omnibenevolent.
C. Evil exists.
D. God therefore, is not omnipotent as claimed.
E. Or God is not omnibenevolent as claimed.
F. Or god is neither omnipotent or omnibenevolent.
G. Or god is not existant.
THE FREE WILL DEFENSE
The free will defense of the problem of evil goes back
to St. Augustine who popularized it. It is still popular,
and is championed most notably today by Alvin Plantinga.
God gave man free will. Man freely chooses to do evil.
Ability to do evil is less evil than lacking free will.
THE FREE WILL DEFENSE DEBUNKED.
God has free will.
God is omnibenevolent, he has a good nature incapable
of doing evil.
A. If god can have free will, and a good nature, this good
nature is not allowed to cound againts god's free will.
B. Nor is god's lack of ability to do evil
allowed to count against god's omnipotence.
C. Likewise, man could easily have a god like
free will and a god like good nature.
D. Inabilty then to do evil would no more count against
man's free will than it does for god's free will.
E. If so, it also counts against god's free will and god
does not have free will as claimed.
F. If god does not have absolute and total free will, thus
free will is not a true necessity at all.
F. If god is omnipotent and omnibenevolent, and can give
man a god like free will and a god like good nature
incapable of moral evil, god must do so or god is not
moral, not omnibenevolent.
G. Evil exists because he allows it to.
So free will does not exist, or it does and we can have
a god like free will and a god like good nature.
Either way, free will cannot explain away the existance
of evil. This free will defense then, is a failed argument.
OMNISCIENCE VERSUS CREATORHOOD OF GOD
God is defined as creator of all in most religions.
And god is claimed to be omniscient, all knowing.
A. God created the Universe and all in it.
B. God is omniscient, all knowing, he knows all in
the Universe and he knows the future of the Universe
and its contents.
C. If god creates a Universe, he will know that in 13 billion
years this Universe will have a man named John Smith in it.
D. If John Smith is good and saved, or evil and damned, God
will know that.
E. As he knows that the Universe in its present state will
have a John Smith, god may then contemplate the future state
of Smith and decide if he will tolerate an evil Smith.
F. If yes, Smith will be evil only because of a specific personal
and will choice made solely by god.
G. If Smith is evil, then evil exists solely because of a choice
made by god. In fact all moral evil done by creations of god
will be evil and do evil only because of personal and willful
creations of god allowing evil acts to be done, by direct
decision of god.
H. If evil exists in a world with an omniscient creator god, it is
solely and only because god allows evil.
I. If evil exists solely because of personal choices of god, god
then is not as defined, omnibenevolent.
J. Man and any other sentient being in such a Universe cannot have
any free will, not even in principle. A Universe with a god
that creates all and knows all precludes free will for all
beings god creates in the strongest possible manner.
The Grand God of Grand
Theology is thus self destroying, it is incoherent
and contradictory as a theory.
THE SITUATION SO FAR.
1. A minimalistic class of gods is defined, this Grand God,
has been defined here with as few terms as possible.
2. The problem of evil dooms such a claimed god.
3. The attempted defence, free will is fatally flawed.
God's good nature and free will doom claims free
will makes evil necessary for man to have free will.
4. Omniscience and creatorhood of god further doom claims of
god's omnibenevolence and man's free will Free will cannot
exist for man. All evil is the direct and knowing creation
of god contradicting claims of omnibenevolence.
5. Since Free will for man is totally impossible, free will
cannot be a good quality, much less neccesary.
Here, the Grand God of Grand Theology has collapsed. As has Grand
Theology. As pointed out, this destroys the claims and viability
of an entire class of possible gods, all secondary and tertiary
claims for such a god of this class also fail, as do dogmas or
secondary claims.
If a these Grand Gods cannot exist as defined, specific gods
cannot, nor can claims such as this or that Grand God sent this
or that relevation to man or some prophet.
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Xenu is around and about,
mention Hubbard, Xenu pops out!
No way for the clams to stamp Xenu out,
Xenu is around and about!
Cheerful Charlie
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29 Aug 2005 06:43:13 PM |
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"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:RmuQe.15872$yv2.4351@trnddc04...
He assumes it. It's plain to see.
I assume nothing. Not even God.
You don't believe in God in the first place.
Right, because I've seen no evidence of it.
Provide as much evidence for God and Santa Claus that there is for
air.
I asked first. Didn't I?
I will answer in the nicest way possible, even though you have provided
your own share of insulting posts.
Talk to the members of your clan first... they started it.
I am talking to you. Do not try to divert attention away from the issue
at hand.
There is no God because there is no evidence for it.
Well, God don't work that way.
Are you sure?
Is that simple enough? You can *EASILY* prove us wrong by simply
providing evidence that there IS a god.
YOU have just provided the evidence...
Where?
San buoy.
What does this even mean?
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28 Aug 2005 07:07:27 PM |
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beforehand wrote:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:tEgQe.7815$um2.1283@trnddc03...
Comparing God with Santa Clause?
Claus doesn't have an E in it. He's not a contract section.
Sorry. Lapsus calami.
And yes, God and Santa Claus both have the same evidence. That is: None.
Well, then air also don't exist... you can't see it, so it isn't there. Right?
Then apparently, neither does gravity.
So, why don't you go jump off a cliff, and tell yourself there is no
gravity. When that fails, we can then move on to the more viable lack
of evidence for both gods, and Santa Claus.
And not the ludicrous type of argument you are attempting to make here.
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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28 Aug 2005 07:26:29 PM |
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
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Then apparently, neither does gravity.
So, why don't you go jump off a cliff, and tell yourself there is no
gravity. When that fails, we can then move on to the more viable lack
of evidence for both gods, and Santa Claus.
Don't imitate, innovate.
Did you do your 'no air' exam?
And not the ludicrous type of argument you are attempting to make here.
Ludicrous. Nice, that means I'm on the right path... too bad yall wanna
knock me out of it. But hey, like I was born yesterday... hehehehehehe.
Little atheists... click... think that I'm a fullblown christian... click... and
they think... click... I'm ludicrous... click... and that nature itself doesn't
prove the existance of... click... GOD! Hmpppfffff...
np: Vibrasphere - Mental Mountain
See, most of the people are on the bottom of that mountain, thiests
are somewhere in the middle of it, you are above them, but I'm above you.
Very few got it that far. And lived to tell. Hm... that doesn't matter at all.
:P
Just try it... push upstairs. You'll see it. (like you already haven't, but hey
I'm just making a conversation here... hehehehehe...)
And yes, don't lie when you come down from that mountain. Most people
lie when they come down from that mountain. If not all... hm...
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28 Aug 2005 09:24:09 PM |
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<snip idiocy>
See, most of the people are on the bottom of that mountain, thiests
are somewhere in the middle of it, you are above them, but I'm above you.
You wish.
<snip idiocy>
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29 Aug 2005 09:40:57 AM |
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"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:dluQe.15868$yv2.9495@trnddc04...
beforehand wrote:
<snip idiocy>
See, most of the people are on the bottom of that mountain, thiests
are somewhere in the middle of it, you are above them, but I'm above you.
You wish.
Don't front, *****. :)
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29 Aug 2005 05:50:30 PM |
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beforehand wrote:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:dluQe.15868$yv2.9495@trnddc04...
beforehand wrote:
<snip idiocy>
See, most of the people are on the bottom of that mountain, thiests
are somewhere in the middle of it, you are above them, but I'm above you.
You wish.
Don't front, *****. :)
I'm a male. Can't be a *****. Also, I'm not fronting. 8-)
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29 Aug 2005 08:09:28 AM |
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"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:WiMQe.5422$__1.624@trnddc07...
See, most of the people are on the bottom of that mountain, thiests
are somewhere in the middle of it, you are above them, but I'm above you.
You wish.
Don't front, *****. :)
I'm a male. Can't be a *****. Also, I'm not fronting. 8-)
Man, this is my LAST reply to you. Cause you reply to my
for one reason only... and you know what reason that is. EOD.
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28 Aug 2005 10:52:48 PM |
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beforehand wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" < > wrote in message
news:43125201$0$16347$4c5eba9e@news.getnet.net...
Then apparently, neither does gravity.
So, why don't you go jump off a cliff, and tell yourself there is no
gravity. When that fails, we can then move on to the more viable lack
of evidence for both gods, and Santa Claus.
Don't imitate, innovate.
Did you do your 'no air' exam?
Non Sequitur
And not the ludicrous type of argument you are attempting to make here.
Ludicrous. Nice, that means I'm on the right path... too bad yall wanna
knock me out of it. But hey, like I was born yesterday... hehehehehehe.
You said it, not me.
Little atheists... click... think that I'm a fullblown christian... click... and
they think... click... I'm ludicrous... click... and that nature itself doesn't
prove the existance of... click... GOD! Hmpppfffff...
Don't care what you are. Your argument is ludicrous, and has no merit.
np: Vibrasphere - Mental Mountain
See, most of the people are on the bottom of that mountain, thiests
are somewhere in the middle of it, you are above them, but I'm above you.
Very few got it that far. And lived to tell. Hm... that doesn't matter at all.
If you ever get close to a point, make it.
:P
Just try it... push upstairs. You'll see it. (like you already haven't, but hey
I'm just making a conversation here... hehehehehe...)
No, you're making yourself look foolish.
And yes, don't lie when you come down from that mountain. Most people
lie when they come down from that mountain. If not all... hm...
Again, if you ever get close to a point, make it.
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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29 Aug 2005 09:43:23 AM |
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
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Did you do your 'no air' exam?
Non Sequitur
Alea iacta est.
And not the ludicrous type of argument you are attempting to make here.
Ludicrous. Nice, that means I'm on the right path... too bad yall wanna
knock me out of it. But hey, like I was born yesterday... hehehehehehe.
You said it, not me.
Nope, you said I was ludicrous. Not me.
Little atheists... click... think that I'm a fullblown christian... click... and
they think... click... I'm ludicrous... click... and that nature itself doesn't
prove the existance of... click... GOD! Hmpppfffff...
Don't care what you are. Your argument is ludicrous, and has no merit.
Just because you didn't hear it, and you weren't taught. You are as same
as them christians. But, hey, you already know that.
np: Vibrasphere - Mental Mountain
See, most of the people are on the bottom of that mountain, thiests
are somewhere in the middle of it, you are above them, but I'm above you.
Very few got it that far. And lived to tell. Hm... that doesn't matter at all.
If you ever get close to a point, make it.
No need man. YOU KNOW I'm above you. Where have you been
in the past two or three years?
Just try it... push upstairs. You'll see it. (like you already haven't, but hey
I'm just making a conversation here... hehehehehe...)
No, you're making yourself look foolish.
In front of a bunch of pagans? Well well...
And yes, don't lie when you come down from that mountain. Most people
lie when they come down from that mountain. If not all... hm...
Again, if you ever get close to a point, make it.
Oh, you're fronting again... like the rest of you.
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30 Aug 2005 07:32:39 AM |
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beforehand wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" < > wrote in message
news:8fdau2-brr.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
Did you do your 'no air' exam?
Non Sequitur
Alea iacta est.
And not the ludicrous type of argument you are attempting to make here.
Ludicrous. Nice, that means I'm on the right path... too bad yall wanna
knock me out of it. But hey, like I was born yesterday... hehehehehehe.
You said it, not me.
Nope, you said I was ludicrous. Not me.
Yes, it is. Anyone that has taken a 5th grade science class knows what
air is.
Little atheists... click... think that I'm a fullblown christian... click... and
they think... click... I'm ludicrous... click... and that nature itself doesn't
prove the existance of... click... GOD! Hmpppfffff...
Don't care what you are. Your argument is ludicrous, and has no merit.
Just because you didn't hear it, and you weren't taught. You are as same
as them christians. But, hey, you already know that.
Just because air is matter, (i.e., has weight, occupies space), it exists.
Now, you were saying?
np: Vibrasphere - Mental Mountain
See, most of the people are on the bottom of that mountain, thiests
are somewhere in the middle of it, you are above them, but I'm above you.
Very few got it that far. And lived to tell. Hm... that doesn't matter at all.
If you ever get close to a point, make it.
No need man. YOU KNOW I'm above you. Where have you been
in the past two or three years?
Right here, why?
Just try it... push upstairs. You'll see it. (like you already haven't, but hey
I'm just making a conversation here... hehehehehe...)
No, you're making yourself look foolish.
In front of a bunch of pagans? Well well...
Pagans? Pagans?
Perhaps you should check the name of the news group you are posting to.
I believe you are looking for alt.pagan, or alt.wiccan.
And yes, don't lie when you come down from that mountain. Most people
lie when they come down from that mountain. If not all... hm...
Again, if you ever get close to a point, make it.
Oh, you're fronting again... like the rest of you.
Do you have a point to make, or not?
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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29 Aug 2005 05:53:50 PM |
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beforehand wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:8fdau2-brr.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
Did you do your 'no air' exam?
Non Sequitur
Alea iacta est.
And that, too, is a non-sequitur.
And not the ludicrous type of argument you are attempting to make here.
Ludicrous. Nice, that means I'm on the right path... too bad yall wanna
knock me out of it. But hey, like I was born yesterday... hehehehehehe.
You said it, not me.
Nope, you said I was ludicrous. Not me.
No, he didn't. "Ludicrous" is an adjective modifying the noun
"argument," not the noun "you." Therefore, he was calling the argument
ludicrous, not you.
Little atheists... click... think that I'm a fullblown christian... click... and
they think... click... I'm ludicrous... click... and that nature itself doesn't
prove the existance of... click... GOD! Hmpppfffff...
Don't care what you are. Your argument is ludicrous, and has no merit.
Just because you didn't hear it, and you weren't taught. You are as same
as them christians. But, hey, you already know that.
Nope. We're not the ones professing a belief in something we have no
proof of.
np: Vibrasphere - Mental Mountain
See, most of the people are on the bottom of that mountain, thiests
are somewhere in the middle of it, you are above them, but I'm above you.
Very few got it that far. And lived to tell. Hm... that doesn't matter at all.
If you ever get close to a point, make it.
No need man. YOU KNOW I'm above you. Where have you been
in the past two or three years?
I don't know about Karl, but I've been busy in the real world. Where've
you been?
Just try it... push upstairs. You'll see it. (like you already haven't, but hey
I'm just making a conversation here... hehehehehe...)
No, you're making yourself look foolish.
In front of a bunch of pagans? Well well...
What pagans?
And yes, don't lie when you come down from that mountain. Most people
lie when they come down from that mountain. If not all... hm...
Again, if you ever get close to a point, make it.
Oh, you're fronting again... like the rest of you.
So, you admit to not having a point.
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beforehand wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:43125201$0$16347$4c5eba9e@news.getnet.net...
Then apparently, neither does gravity.
So, why don't you go jump off a cliff, and tell yourself there is no
gravity. When that fails, we can then move on to the more viable lack
of evidence for both gods, and Santa Claus.
Don't imitate, innovate.
Did you do your 'no air' exam?
And not the ludicrous type of argument you are attempting to make here.
Ludicrous. Nice, that means I'm on the right path... too bad yall wanna
knock me out of it. But hey, like I was born yesterday... hehehehehehe.
I apologize; something must have happened to my newsreader. It seems to
have dropped the post where you explain why there is no evidence for
air.
Or were you asking for the evidence? It's hard to tell from context.
Little atheists... click... think that I'm a fullblown christian... click... and
they think... click... I'm ludicrous... click... and that nature itself doesn't
prove the existance of... click... GOD! Hmpppfffff...
Curiously, nature doesn't seem to make the existense of God obvious to
anyone who doesn't already believe. Strange "proof", that.
np: Vibrasphere - Mental Mountain
See, most of the people are on the bottom of that mountain, thiests
are somewhere in the middle of it, you are above them, but I'm above you.
Very few got it that far. And lived to tell. Hm... that doesn't matter at all.
Ah. I bow to your high mastery of things mysterious. You are indeed so,
for who can dispute your focus, your humility, your clarity, and the
decisive and efficient way in which you respond to us in your posts?
:P
Just try it... push upstairs. You'll see it. (like you already haven't, but hey
I'm just making a conversation here... hehehehehe...)
You spread edification like the best of gardeners spread fetilizer.
And yes, don't lie when you come down from that mountain. Most people
lie when they come down from that mountain. If not all... hm...
How many other masters are bold enough to come down from the mountain
and giggle in newsgroups?
Kermit
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