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"Jim Warren" |
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28 Oct 2003 10:26:39 AM |
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God in War |
Hello Group.
I have been an atheist since age 13.
When I was in basic training we did not have to go to church, but when
church services were being given, the sargeants went through the
barracks and assigned some nasty tasks to those who were caught not at
church.
The church I attended after cleaning a grease trap the previous Sunday
was showing a movie of a soldier in a rice paddy crying and praying to
jesus because he had run out of ammo. The friendly chaplain put his
arm around the miserable GI and said "Son you don't pray to jesus
when you are out of ammo, you pray to jesus while you still have ammo"
Cut to real life
May 05 1968 Siagon
We where hit by everything. The next day I was trucked about 5 miles
and there were wall to wall dead bodies for the entire 5 miles. I have
seen a lot of horror movies but nothing ever approach this.
The next morning after the attack and before the truck ride I notice
several helicopters flying in.
They contained priests,preachers, rabbi's etc.
Guys where crawling on there hands and knees crying "Save me jesus"
over and over again.
Where were these religious leaders during the fighting?
I looked down at my rifle and said "Save me colt arms" over and over
again.
He blesses the boys as they stand in line.
The smell of gun grease and the baynets they shine.
This is similiar to the time the guy next to me got shot during heavy
combat
I yelled "Medic over here, wounded!"
He yelled back "***** you!, you bring him over here!".
I hope you don't mind these stories I think they are a little
theraputic
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: God in War |
28 Oct 2003 07:20:20 PM |
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"Jim Warren" <jmwarren@pilot.msu.edu> wrote in message
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Hello Group.
<snip>
This is similiar to the time the guy next to me got shot during heavy
combat
I yelled "Medic over here, wounded!"
He yelled back "***** you!, you bring him over here!".
I hope you don't mind these stories I think they are a little
theraputic
I got out in Oct of 1965 just as they started to escalate over there.
I missed it and am glad I did.
Some of my friends re-upped to go over because we were told we were helping
the people.
You probably never saw the films explaining how guerrella warfare can't
succeed in situation like Vietnam.
My friend Dave went and still hasn't got over it.
He was a Navy corpsman with a Marine company.
He would have come over.
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| User: "Jim Warren" |
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| Title: Re: God in War |
28 Oct 2003 07:43:15 PM |
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I was telling myself that I would be helping an other culture.
My culture shock was that these people I dealt with were uneducated
peasants. What got me was how sure they were that I was an uneducated
moron. They were positive that they were right and we were wrong,
especially on human rights issues. They thought the group had rights
and an individual had no rights.
Some of the things I saw other there I just said to myself, No that
cannot happen and I did not see that.
Some idiot gave me an acid tablet and told me it was mescalane sp
One of the things I saw was the Christian Judeo ( I am sorry I cannot
spell) ethic as an american indian totem pole with a giant hand
periodically moving it from end of the spectrum to the other, to suit
the moral tone of the time. No absolutes. Then I saw that they threw
the war and I was just an unwilling pawn.
Your buddy was a marine. They were different than the other services.
When I read in the army times that the Marines were bribeing the Viet
Cong to attack them.
There were combat situations where it was obvious that the Viet Cong
had tippy toed past the marines to attack us (the Army)
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 01:20:20 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"Jim Warren" <jmwarren@pilot.msu.edu> wrote in message
news:lb5tpvojb9631pj2vum5tbi1qhrg0bh78b@4ax.com...
Hello Group.
<snip>
This is similiar to the time the guy next to me got shot during heavy
combat
I yelled "Medic over here, wounded!"
He yelled back "***** you!, you bring him over here!".
I hope you don't mind these stories I think they are a little
theraputic
I got out in Oct of 1965 just as they started to escalate over there.
I missed it and am glad I did.
Some of my friends re-upped to go over because we were told we were helping
the people.
You probably never saw the films explaining how guerrella warfare can't
succeed in situation like Vietnam.
My friend Dave went and still hasn't got over it.
He was a Navy corpsman with a Marine company.
He would have come over.
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| User: "Ron Baker" |
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| Title: Re: God in War |
28 Oct 2003 11:48:40 AM |
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"Jim Warren" <jmwarren@pilot.msu.edu> wrote in message
news:lb5tpvojb9631pj2vum5tbi1qhrg0bh78b@4ax.com...
Hello Group.
I have been an atheist since age 13.
When I was in basic training we did not have to go to church, but when
church services were being given, the sargeants went through the
barracks and assigned some nasty tasks to those who were caught not at
church.
The church I attended after cleaning a grease trap the previous Sunday
was showing a movie of a soldier in a rice paddy crying and praying to
jesus because he had run out of ammo. The friendly chaplain put his
arm around the miserable GI and said "Son you don't pray to jesus
when you are out of ammo, you pray to jesus while you still have ammo"
Cut to real life
May 05 1968 Siagon
We where hit by everything. The next day I was trucked about 5 miles
and there were wall to wall dead bodies for the entire 5 miles. I have
seen a lot of horror movies but nothing ever approach this.
The next morning after the attack and before the truck ride I notice
several helicopters flying in.
They contained priests,preachers, rabbi's etc.
Guys where crawling on there hands and knees crying "Save me jesus"
over and over again.
Where were these religious leaders during the fighting?
I looked down at my rifle and said "Save me colt arms" over and over
again.
He blesses the boys as they stand in line.
The smell of gun grease and the baynets they shine.
This is similiar to the time the guy next to me got shot during heavy
combat
I yelled "Medic over here, wounded!"
He yelled back "***** you!, you bring him over here!".
I hope you don't mind these stories I think they are a little
theraputic
And I think first hand accounts are good for us to hear.
I look up to you guys because you have been so severely tested.
I wish I could stop wars.
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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28 Oct 2003 09:08:08 PM |
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In article <lb5tpvojb9631pj2vum5tbi1qhrg0bh78b@4ax.com>, Jim Warren
<jmwarren@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
Hello Group.
I have been an atheist since age 13.
When I was in basic training we did not have to go to church, but when
church services were being given, the sargeants went through the
barracks and assigned some nasty tasks to those who were caught not at
church.
The church I attended after cleaning a grease trap the previous Sunday
was showing a movie of a soldier in a rice paddy crying and praying to
jesus because he had run out of ammo. The friendly chaplain put his
arm around the miserable GI and said "Son you don't pray to jesus
when you are out of ammo, you pray to jesus while you still have ammo"
Cut to real life
May 05 1968 Siagon
Hats off, Jim. I drove a brown water boat over there not too long after
your tour. I know whereof you speak.
-chib
--
Member of SMASH:
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
(email: change out to in)
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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28 Oct 2003 04:21:41 PM |
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Jim Warren <jmwarren@pilot.msu.edu> wrote in
news:lb5tpvojb9631pj2vum5tbi1qhrg0bh78b@4ax.com:
Hello Group.
Welcome aboard!
I hope you don't mind these stories I think they are a little
theraputic
Glad you made it back to "The World." *salute*
--
Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
"And the knowledge that they fear
Is a weapon to be used against them."
--Rush, "The Weapon"
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| User: "mlw" |
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28 Oct 2003 01:48:53 PM |
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Jim Warren wrote:
I hope you don't mind these stories I think they are a little
theraputic
I am very much anti-war, but I am over 40 years old, and understand that
sometimes war is unavoidable.
At issue are two issues:
(1) The government willingness to go to war.
(2) The young people willing to fight for their country.
The first issue, "government willingness to go to war," I think I speak for
everyone in our country when I say, if an enemy threatened my family or
community I would fight. When the government uses its military as a brutal
dimplomatic "stick," I worry. Lives are not barganing chips.
The second issue, "prople willing to fight for their country," I think every
man and woman in our military should be paid their due. They are willing to
fight and possibly die for all of us. That is an amazing commitment to our
country.
What I say may ***** off many, but respect for our troups means that we
should be "anti-war." We should not be squandering the lives of our most
patriotic for political *****. Bush and the war on Iraq is killing our
people. It is squandering the brave people in our society willing to give
so much.
Bush should be impeached for the lives he has wasted.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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28 Oct 2003 11:11:47 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:48:53 GMT, mlw <mlw@nospam.no> posted in
alt.atheism:
Bush should be impeached for the lives he has wasted.
Among his many other "accomplishments".
--
"If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can
solve them."
-Isaac Asimov
&
There are three kinds of men:
The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence.
- (Will Rogers)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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28 Oct 2003 02:37:40 PM |
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mlw wrote:
The second issue, "prople willing to fight for their country," I think every
man and woman in our military should be paid their due. They are willing to
fight and possibly die for all of us. That is an amazing commitment to our
country.
What I say may ***** off many, but respect for our troups means that we
should be "anti-war." We should not be squandering the lives of our most
patriotic for political *****. Bush and the war on Iraq is killing our
people. It is squandering the brave people in our society willing to give
so much.
Bush should be impeached for the lives he has wasted.
I doubt that's an impeachable offense...it seems to be more of a
tradition of the office.
But it would be very refreshing to find out just exactly *why* we
invaded Iraq. About the only slightly justifiable reason I can think
of, is to show the world that we are a power that ought not to be messed
with; that we are somewhat unpredictable, and won't do "what's right
according to the UN" every time.
I happen to disagree with this line of reasoning, but if it is what was
going through the minds of the folks who made the decision to go to war,
then I would think much more highly of them if they would just come out
and admit it. The lies we were fed have got me really down on the
current administration.
--
Jim
Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum!
http://www.mindspring.com/~jforbes2
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| User: "Jim Warren" |
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28 Oct 2003 02:59:49 PM |
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I have always though that Bush Sr. wasn't too happy with the outcome
of the first Iraq war and when I saw how little interest Bush Jr. had
in running for president i.e. fishing, snowmobiling, etc during the
primaries, I concluded that he was doing what dad told him to do.
I also think his administration was top heavey with dads cronies.
As The second issue, "prople willing to fight for their country,"
There are damn few people in Viet Nam who where willing to fight for
there country. Like the executive monkey we had no choice, we were on
there soil, fight or die!
I meet very few people in Viet Nam who wanted to be there. The ones
who did where social misfits who could not get women in the US and
they where usually working for S2 or G2.
I doubt if 10% of enlistees are happy about going to Iraq or any other
hot spot.
The sargeant asked who thought they were here to die for their
country, a few raised their hands. The sargeant screamed "No! you are
here to make the other ***** die for his country."
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:37:40 GMT, J Forbes <jforbspam@fastmail.fm>
wrote:
mlw wrote:
The second issue, "prople willing to fight for their country," I think every
man and woman in our military should be paid their due. They are willing to
fight and possibly die for all of us. That is an amazing commitment to our
country.
What I say may ***** off many, but respect for our troups means that we
should be "anti-war." We should not be squandering the lives of our most
patriotic for political *****. Bush and the war on Iraq is killing our
people. It is squandering the brave people in our society willing to give
so much.
Bush should be impeached for the lives he has wasted.
I doubt that's an impeachable offense...it seems to be more of a
tradition of the office.
But it would be very refreshing to find out just exactly *why* we
invaded Iraq. About the only slightly justifiable reason I can think
of, is to show the world that we are a power that ought not to be messed
with; that we are somewhat unpredictable, and won't do "what's right
according to the UN" every time.
I happen to disagree with this line of reasoning, but if it is what was
going through the minds of the folks who made the decision to go to war,
then I would think much more highly of them if they would just come out
and admit it. The lies we were fed have got me really down on the
current administration.
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| User: "mlw" |
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28 Oct 2003 04:53:29 PM |
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Jim Warren wrote:
There are damn few people in Viet Nam who where willing to fight for
there country. Like the executive monkey we had no choice, we were on
there soil, fight or die!
But you were there. You could have been in Canada, or if your dad had pull,
the national guard.
I meet very few people in Viet Nam who wanted to be there. The ones
who did where social misfits who could not get women in the US and
they where usually working for S2 or G2.
None the less, the men and woman in Vietnam, Korea, all the way up to Iraq,
are there. As they are there, they our our soldiers. We must protect their
lives, not waste them.
I doubt if 10% of enlistees are happy about going to Iraq or any other
hot spot.
The sargeant asked who thought they were here to die for their
country, a few raised their hands. The sargeant screamed "No! you are
here to make the other ***** die for his country."
Wasn't that from a movie?
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:37:40 GMT, J Forbes <jforbspam@fastmail.fm>
wrote:
mlw wrote:
The second issue, "prople willing to fight for their country," I think
every man and woman in our military should be paid their due. They are
willing to fight and possibly die for all of us. That is an amazing
commitment to our country.
What I say may ***** off many, but respect for our troups means that we
should be "anti-war." We should not be squandering the lives of our most
patriotic for political *****. Bush and the war on Iraq is killing
our people. It is squandering the brave people in our society willing to
give so much.
Bush should be impeached for the lives he has wasted.
I doubt that's an impeachable offense...it seems to be more of a
tradition of the office.
But it would be very refreshing to find out just exactly *why* we
invaded Iraq. About the only slightly justifiable reason I can think
of, is to show the world that we are a power that ought not to be messed
with; that we are somewhat unpredictable, and won't do "what's right
according to the UN" every time.
I happen to disagree with this line of reasoning, but if it is what was
going through the minds of the folks who made the decision to go to war,
then I would think much more highly of them if they would just come out
and admit it. The lies we were fed have got me really down on the
current administration.
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| User: "Jim Warren" |
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28 Oct 2003 05:43:16 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:53:29 GMT, mlw <mlw@nospam.no> wrote:
Jim Warren wrote:
There are damn few people in Viet Nam who where willing to fight for
there country. Like the executive monkey we had no choice, we were on
there soil, fight or die!
But you were there. You could have been in Canada, or if your dad had pull,
the national guard.
I meet very few people in Viet Nam who wanted to be there. The ones
who did where social misfits who could not get women in the US and
they where usually working for S2 or G2.
None the less, the men and woman in Vietnam, Korea, all the way up to Iraq,
are there. As they are there, they our our soldiers. We must protect their
lives, not waste them.
I doubt if 10% of enlistees are happy about going to Iraq or any other
hot spot.
The sargeant asked who thought they were here to die for their
country, a few raised their hands. The sargeant screamed "No! you are
here to make the other ***** die for his country."
Wasn't that from a movie?
I would not doubt it a bit.
But remember the armed forces are tens of thousands of years old and
have seen, said, and done everything. I was amazed at how little my
college friends and I were able to pull on the 4th grade drop out
sargeants ( no kidding they bragged about being 4th grade drop outs,
said it made them better soldiers. )
There where mostly college grads in my Advanced Infantry Traing
brigade. One of the sargeants said I hate you college boys. Give me a
fourth grade army any day. If one of you bastards asks me why again I
will <snip> ......
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:37:40 GMT, J Forbes <jforbspam@fastmail.fm>
wrote:
mlw wrote:
The second issue, "prople willing to fight for their country," I think
every man and woman in our military should be paid their due. They are
willing to fight and possibly die for all of us. That is an amazing
commitment to our country.
What I say may ***** off many, but respect for our troups means that we
should be "anti-war." We should not be squandering the lives of our most
patriotic for political *****. Bush and the war on Iraq is killing
our people. It is squandering the brave people in our society willing to
give so much.
Bush should be impeached for the lives he has wasted.
I doubt that's an impeachable offense...it seems to be more of a
tradition of the office.
But it would be very refreshing to find out just exactly *why* we
invaded Iraq. About the only slightly justifiable reason I can think
of, is to show the world that we are a power that ought not to be messed
with; that we are somewhat unpredictable, and won't do "what's right
according to the UN" every time.
I happen to disagree with this line of reasoning, but if it is what was
going through the minds of the folks who made the decision to go to war,
then I would think much more highly of them if they would just come out
and admit it. The lies we were fed have got me really down on the
current administration.
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| User: "Bob White" |
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28 Oct 2003 05:51:14 PM |
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"Jim Warren" <jmwarren@pilot.msu.edu> wrote in message
news:vevtpvgti3c847ft8ad2npf8f3tfbf8024@4ax.com...
... One of the sargeants said I hate you college boys. ...
The sergeant probably said that because you geniuses couldn't even figure
out how to spell sergeant, much less ever be one. :^)
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| User: "Jim Warren" |
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28 Oct 2003 06:00:47 PM |
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Most of the sergeants were from the deep south and taught us how to
pronounce their rank. I rest my case :) How come the diminutive is
sarge?
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:51:14 GMT, "Bob White" <threeball@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Jim Warren" <jmwarren@pilot.msu.edu> wrote in message
news:vevtpvgti3c847ft8ad2npf8f3tfbf8024@4ax.com...
... One of the sargeants said I hate you college boys. ...
The sergeant probably said that because you geniuses couldn't even figure
out how to spell sergeant, much less ever be one. :^)
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| User: "Johnny Bravo" |
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28 Oct 2003 08:24:28 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:53:29 GMT, mlw <mlw@nospam.no> wrote:
The sargeant asked who thought they were here to die for their
country, a few raised their hands. The sargeant screamed "No! you are
here to make the other ***** die for his country."
Wasn't that from a movie?
"No ***** ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by
making the other poor dumb ***** die for his country."
Gen George S. Patton
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"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability
of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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28 Oct 2003 11:48:00 AM |
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Jim Warren wrote:
Hello Group.
I have been an atheist since age 13.
When I was in basic training we did not have to go to church, but when
church services were being given, the sargeants went through the
barracks and assigned some nasty tasks to those who were caught not at
church.
The church I attended after cleaning a grease trap the previous Sunday
was showing a movie of a soldier in a rice paddy crying and praying to
jesus because he had run out of ammo. The friendly chaplain put his
arm around the miserable GI and said "Son you don't pray to jesus
when you are out of ammo, you pray to jesus while you still have ammo"
Cut to real life
May 05 1968 Siagon
We where hit by everything. The next day I was trucked about 5 miles
and there were wall to wall dead bodies for the entire 5 miles. I have
seen a lot of horror movies but nothing ever approach this.
The next morning after the attack and before the truck ride I notice
several helicopters flying in.
They contained priests,preachers, rabbi's etc.
Guys where crawling on there hands and knees crying "Save me jesus"
over and over again.
Where were these religious leaders during the fighting?
I looked down at my rifle and said "Save me colt arms" over and over
again.
He blesses the boys as they stand in line.
The smell of gun grease and the baynets they shine.
This is similiar to the time the guy next to me got shot during heavy
combat
I yelled "Medic over here, wounded!"
He yelled back "***** you!, you bring him over here!".
I hope you don't mind these stories I think they are a little
theraputic
Not at all. Many of us are freethinking vets. I know exactly what you
mean, even thought in my case, no one was shooting at me. I was to
young for Nam, but my step-father was there. Pararescue USAF. He has
some stories to tell as well.
No, I fought against a different kind of enemy. A few called her a
*****, some, that *****, but most just call it the sea. And we
fought to keep people alive when the sea wanted to take them from their
families and friends. And then there was that small percentage the sea
took from us. But mostly, we cheated. You can not win against the sea,
but you can cheat, and come home alive again.
I'm very good at cheating.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 ULC Minister
Home School Educator for Computer Science
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "MarkA" |
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28 Oct 2003 11:21:27 AM |
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:26:39 +0000, Jim Warren wrote:
Hello Group.
I have been an atheist since age 13.
When I was in basic training we did not have to go to church, but when
church services were being given, the sargeants went through the barracks
and assigned some nasty tasks to those who were caught not at church.
The church I attended after cleaning a grease trap the previous Sunday was
showing a movie of a soldier in a rice paddy crying and praying to jesus
because he had run out of ammo. The friendly chaplain put his arm around
the miserable GI and said "Son you don't pray to jesus when you are out
of ammo, you pray to jesus while you still have ammo"
Cut to real life
May 05 1968 Siagon
We where hit by everything. The next day I was trucked about 5 miles and
there were wall to wall dead bodies for the entire 5 miles. I have seen a
lot of horror movies but nothing ever approach this.
The next morning after the attack and before the truck ride I notice
several helicopters flying in.
They contained priests,preachers, rabbi's etc.
Guys where crawling on there hands and knees crying "Save me jesus" over
and over again.
Where were these religious leaders during the fighting?
I looked down at my rifle and said "Save me colt arms" over and over
again.
He blesses the boys as they stand in line. The smell of gun grease and the
baynets they shine.
This is similiar to the time the guy next to me got shot during heavy
combat
I yelled "Medic over here, wounded!"
He yelled back "***** you!, you bring him over here!".
I hope you don't mind these stories I think they are a little theraputic
I, for one, don't mind at all. Thank you for your courage in serving in
Nam. Even though the war was a loss from a military perspective, it
taught the country that the government is willing to squander the lives of
thousands of its young men to avoid the embarassment of defeat in a war
with no military objective.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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28 Oct 2003 11:10:26 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:21:27 GMT, "MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
I, for one, don't mind at all. Thank you for your courage in serving in
Nam. Even though the war was a loss from a military perspective, it
taught the country that the government is willing to squander the lives of
thousands of its young men to avoid the embarassment of defeat in a war
with no military objective.
But Nixon's pal made lots of money selling ammo.
--
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education and social
ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he
had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
-Albert Einstein
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "MarkA" |
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30 Oct 2003 06:37:02 AM |
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:10:26 +0000, Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:21:27 GMT, "MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> posted
in alt.atheism:
I, for one, don't mind at all. Thank you for your courage in serving in
Nam. Even though the war was a loss from a military perspective, it
taught the country that the government is willing to squander the lives
of thousands of its young men to avoid the embarassment of defeat in a
war with no military objective.
But Nixon's pal made lots of money selling ammo.
Somebody ALWAYS stands to profit from war. I am a surgeon; many of the
important advances in surgery came from experience gained during various
wars. There are a lot of people alive today because of soldiers who died
30 years ago.
Vizzini: I've hired you to help me start a war. That's a prestigious line
of work with a long and glorious tradition.
(The Princess Bride)
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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| Title: Re: God in War |
28 Oct 2003 07:16:28 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:26:39 -0500, Jim Warren
<jmwarren@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
snippage
I hope you don't mind these stories I think they are a little
theraputic
Not at all. I was a door gunner/crew chief on a Huey. I was only
there for a couple months and got transferred to the South Korean DMZ.
Something about heightened tensions.
I was at Fort Ord, Jul 69. I remember during processing being asked
what religion I was for my Dog Tags. I said none. The guy says, you
have to be something, I can't write down none. Pick one he says. I was
17 years old and didn't know what to say. He says, 'how 'bout a
Protestant?' I said okay. I figured what's the difference, they're all
the same to me. In retrospect, (30 years later) I should have said
Buddhist. At least I would have had a religion and not be associated
with christianity.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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28 Oct 2003 11:18:45 PM |
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 01:16:28 GMT, Steve Knight <wooly@onic.net> posted
in alt.atheism:
I was at Fort Ord, Jul 69. I remember during processing being asked
what religion I was for my Dog Tags. I said none. The guy says, you
have to be something, I can't write down none. Pick one he says. I was
17 years old and didn't know what to say. He says, 'how 'bout a
Protestant?' I said okay. I figured what's the difference, they're all
the same to me. In retrospect, (30 years later) I should have said
Buddhist. At leastgs or ship me home./ I would have had a religion and not be associated
with christianity.gs read "no religion".
I said none and when I was told that I had to have one, I said
military rules can't change reality. Put "none" on the tags or ship
me home. My dog tags read "no religion".
--
"To assume the existence of an unperceivable being ... does not facilitate understanding
the orderliness we find in the perceivable world."
- Letter to an Iowa student who asked, What is God? July, 1953; Einstein Archive 59-085
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Charles R Ward" |
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| Title: Re: God in War |
31 Oct 2003 11:14:09 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:26:39 UTC, Jim Warren
<jmwarren@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
Hello Group.
I have been an atheist since age 13.
snip
I hope you don't mind these stories I think they are a little
theraputic
Welcome to the group. There are two "Atheist's in Foxholes"
lists. Mine at;
http://showcase.netins.net/web/myplace/altatheism/foxholes/
And Rich Goranson's (Lord Calvert) at;
http://www.mylinuxisp.com/~raymond/alt.atheism/lists/aavets.php
I'm afraid neither of us is doing enough to support or
promote our lists. No we are not competing.
Also, Adam Marczyk is looking for stories such as yours
to place on his website. http://www.ebonmusings.org
I don't have the exact URL handy, sorry.
Charles R Ward
--
"I do live among my fellow atheists. I also happen to live
among Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Pagans, Satanists
and followers of various other religions -- all of which
have a perfect right to live in the United States without
interference because of their religion or lack thereof no
matter how much it irks you." Liz
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