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"Michael Ejercito" |
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22 Feb 2007 01:56:31 PM |
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God IS |
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/proof.htm
"Faith is not belief without proof, but trust without
reservations."
--Elton Trueblood
A skeptic writes that he needs some proof to believe the claims of
Christ:
"It is hard to sell something that hasn't been seen. Seeing is
believing and a picture is worth a thousand words."
Jesus answers in Matthew 12:39-40:
An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and
there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's
belly; so shall the Son of man be three days, and three nights in the
heart of the earth.
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
. . . . . . .
Unbeliever, there is a limit to what you can understand right now
because you are unregenerate and in your sins (I Corinthians 2:14).
The wrath of a holy God abideth upon you (John 3:36) and the gates of
hell want you there for eternal destruction. Oh, open your eyes and
see! Jesus is good and kind and came from His dwelling place on high
to succour you from that torment.
You need to turn from your sins and say "Yes" to your Creator,
Jesus Christ (Colossians 1:16), for whosoever shall call upon the name
of the Lord shalt be saved (Romans 10:9, 13). He left His throne on
High to die--FOR YOU. Be washed in His blood. Be cleansed. Come to
Jesus and get some rest. Be born again. God will be your Father and
you will have a good understanding as you walk with Him. His Holy
Spirit will guide and lead you through this life and for all eternity.
Jesus is everything that can be desired and all that any sane
person could want--and more. The Lily of the Valley, the Everlasting
God, the Eternal Word, Succourer, Saviour, Creator, Protector, Lord.
Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ
is Lord--that includes Satan, every devil, every false religious
follower, every secular humanist, and every scoffer as well as those
of us who will be shouting "Glory, Hallelujah! Blessed be the Name of
the Lord!"
If you don't repent you will perish. That is a sure thing. It is
most sure. God has been merciful to you and let you live another day
to repent. Please don't die without Jesus.
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/godis.htm
God is.
Christians don't have to prove anything to atheists and scoffers.
Many Christians get shaken up by the latest big words and fancy
ideas coming from dead souls called atheists and scoffers. This ought
not to be. Romans chapter 1 tells us that they KNOW God is. Yes, yes,
some of them have lied to themselves so many times that they begin to
believe there is no God--BUT--things like guilt, hurt, hatred,
despondency, need, and emptiness still plague these people. Their
emotions, desires and actions cannot be adequately explained through
their evolutionary world view. It's hard on 'em to figure it all out.
Psychiatrists are making a killing.
Let's look at Romans chapter 1:
1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in
unrighteousness; 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is
manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 1:20 For the
invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly
seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal
power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 1:21 Because that,
when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were
thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish
heart was darkened. 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became
fools, 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an
image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted
beasts, and creeping things.
Now see there? The Bible tells us all about the scoffer and the
atheist. They KNOW He is real. So next time somebody gets in your face
about YOUR God, there is no need to be shaken in mind. Just give them
the reason for the hope that lieth within you--Christ crucified and
risen. If they don't want to hear it, just shake the dust off of your
feet and move on. There is somebody that wants to hear.
A couple of things to think about...
[1] The atheist comes to you with a presupposition that there is
no God. In so doing, he goes against the grain of the majority of
mankind from the very beginning of time. People have been worshipping
God for thousands of years and the maverick atheist says God ain't
real--is not the burden of proof on him to show that past, present and
future multitudes are wrong?
[2] Given that God simply is (He's the I am) why argue an already
established fact? Evolutionists are just as wrong as the day is long
but they start from the position that evolution is true and that God
has nothing to do with creation. They do not argue this. Why then do
we Christians feel that we must prove God's existence to evil men?
That is ridiculous when you think about it. Don't let scoffers get you
on the ropes. The Bible says, "The wicked flee when no man pursueth,
but the righteous is as bold as a lion." I love that verse. Give 'em
the old time gospel.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: God IS |
22 Feb 2007 02:05:55 PM |
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"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172174191.085347.296010@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/proof.htm
"Faith is not belief without proof, but trust without
reservations."
Or reason.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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22 Feb 2007 07:53:02 PM |
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In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/proof.htm
"Faith is not belief without proof, but trust without
reservations."
IOW: belief without proof.
A skeptic writes that he needs some proof to believe the claims of
Christ:
Just like you'd need to see some proof to believe that I have
the cure for AIDS in my apartment.
"It is hard to sell something that hasn't been seen. Seeing is
believing and a picture is worth a thousand words."
Jesus answers in Matthew 12:39-40:
An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and
there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's
belly; so shall the Son of man be three days, and three nights in the
heart of the earth.
Too bad that no such prophecy exists in the OT.
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
Did you have some sort of point?
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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22 Feb 2007 09:29:11 PM |
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On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Michael
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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23 Feb 2007 08:12:56 AM |
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In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 19:29:11 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Name them.
Oh, you should be aware that using the bible to prove the
bible true is called the fallacy of circular reasoning. But, I suspect
that won't bother you in the least.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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23 Feb 2007 05:41:14 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:12:56 -0600, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
- Refer: <rhttt29cogksuc9msmjnb7hc2efh7mi1ki@4ax.com>
In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 19:29:11 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Name them.
Oh, you should be aware that using the bible to prove the
bible true is called the fallacy of circular reasoning. But, I suspect
that won't bother you in the least.
He is an admitted wannabe serial killer.
I don't think a few fibs will trouble him.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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23 Feb 2007 07:05:49 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:11:14 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> let us all know that:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:12:56 -0600, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
- Refer: <rhttt29cogksuc9msmjnb7hc2efh7mi1ki@4ax.com>
In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 19:29:11 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Name them.
Oh, you should be aware that using the bible to prove the
bible true is called the fallacy of circular reasoning. But, I suspect
that won't bother you in the least.
He is an admitted wannabe serial killer.
I don't think a few fibs will trouble him.
Probably not.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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23 Feb 2007 09:16:43 AM |
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Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Sorry, the animals on Noah's Ark don't count...
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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23 Feb 2007 04:20:59 PM |
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On 22 Feb 2007 19:29:11 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Name a dozen of them.
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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24 Feb 2007 12:32:42 PM |
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On Feb 23, 2:20 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On 22 Feb 2007 19:29:11 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Name a dozen of them.
Peter, James (son of Zebedee), Andrew, John, Matthew, Jude, Simon,
Thomas, James (son of Alphaeus), Philip, and Bartholomew.
Michael
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| User: "thomas p." |
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24 Feb 2007 03:16:41 PM |
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On 24 Feb., 19:32, "Michael Ejercito" <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 23, 2:20 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On 22 Feb 2007 19:29:11 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Name a dozen of them.
Peter, James (son of Zebedee), Andrew, John, Matthew, Jude, Simon,
Thomas, James (son of Alphaeus), Philip, and Bartholomew.
You have the affidavits of course.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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24 Feb 2007 06:19:19 PM |
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On 24 Feb 2007 13:16:41 -0800, "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk>
wrote:
- Refer: <1172351801.452678.158430@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>
On 24 Feb., 19:32, "Michael Ejercito" <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 23, 2:20 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On 22 Feb 2007 19:29:11 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Name a dozen of them.
Peter, James (son of Zebedee), Andrew, John, Matthew, Jude, Simon,
Thomas, James (son of Alphaeus), Philip, and Bartholomew.
You have the affidavits of course.
Yes, but the ink isn't dry yet.
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| User: "thomas p." |
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25 Feb 2007 04:35:44 AM |
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On 25 Feb., 01:19, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On 24 Feb 2007 13:16:41 -0800, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk>
wrote:
- Refer: <1172351801.452678.158...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>
On 24 Feb., 19:32, "Michael Ejercito" <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 23, 2:20 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
snip
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Name a dozen of them.
Peter, James (son of Zebedee), Andrew, John, Matthew, Jude, Simon,
Thomas, James (son of Alphaeus), Philip, and Bartholomew.
You have the affidavits of course.
Yes, but the ink isn't dry yet.
A miracle!
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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23 Feb 2007 05:43:32 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:20:59 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <r5qut29m5hiu2k14gr0mn9vur0dqe0n07b@4ax.com>
On 22 Feb 2007 19:29:11 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Name a dozen of them.
Well, there's Judy, Will Robinson, Mr. T., Sherlock Holmes, Harry
Potter, Rhett Butler, Harry Houdini, and um, erm...
No, I can't come up with a dozen confirmed eye witnesses.
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| User: "thomas p." |
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24 Feb 2007 03:17:14 AM |
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On 24 Feb., 00:43, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:20:59 -0500, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <r5qut29m5hiu2k14gr0mn9vur0dqe0n...@4ax.com>
On 22 Feb 2007 19:29:11 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Name a dozen of them.
Well, there's Judy, Will Robinson, Mr. T., Sherlock Holmes, Harry
Potter, Rhett Butler, Harry Houdini, and um, erm...
No, I can't come up with a dozen confirmed eye witnesses.
Don't forget Harriet, Ozzie, David, and the irrepressible Ricky. Oh,
and Mr. Thornton.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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24 Feb 2007 06:18:55 PM |
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On 24 Feb 2007 01:17:14 -0800, "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk>
wrote:
- Refer: <1172308634.887299.19510@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
On 24 Feb., 00:43, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:20:59 -0500, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <r5qut29m5hiu2k14gr0mn9vur0dqe0n...@4ax.com>
On 22 Feb 2007 19:29:11 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Name a dozen of them.
Well, there's Judy, Will Robinson, Mr. T., Sherlock Holmes, Harry
Potter, Rhett Butler, Harry Houdini, and um, erm...
No, I can't come up with a dozen confirmed eye witnesses.
Don't forget Harriet, Ozzie, David, and the irrepressible Ricky. Oh,
and Mr. Thornton.
Is that a dozen yet?
Perhaps we should add the crew of the SS Minnow?
I know for an absolute fact that Gilligan witnessed the ressurrection
of this Jew on a stick.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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23 Feb 2007 09:29:09 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:13:32 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:20:59 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <r5qut29m5hiu2k14gr0mn9vur0dqe0n07b@4ax.com>
On 22 Feb 2007 19:29:11 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Name a dozen of them.
Well, there's Judy, Will Robinson, Mr. T., Sherlock Holmes, Harry
Potter, Rhett Butler, Harry Houdini, and um, erm...
No, I can't come up with a dozen confirmed eye witnesses.
You should get out more.
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23 Feb 2007 04:18:35 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:20:59 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On 22 Feb 2007 19:29:11 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Name a dozen of them.
And they wonder why we realise they're idiots.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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23 Feb 2007 05:43:57 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:18:35 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:20:59 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On 22 Feb 2007 19:29:11 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Name a dozen of them.
And they wonder why we realise they're idiots.
Why can't THEY realize that they are idiots?
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23 Feb 2007 06:12:28 PM |
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On Feb 23, 3:43 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:18:35 -0500, Christopher A.Lee<c...@optonline.net> wrote:
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:20:59 -0500, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On 22 Feb 2007 19:29:11 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Name a dozen of them.
And they wonder why we realise they're idiots.
Why can't THEY realize that they are idiots?
Yeah! We have to do ALL the work.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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23 Feb 2007 09:40:17 PM |
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On 23 Feb 2007 16:12:28 -0800, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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On Feb 23, 3:43 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:18:35 -0500, Christopher A.Lee<c...@optonline.net> wrote:
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:20:59 -0500, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On 22 Feb 2007 19:29:11 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Name a dozen of them.
And they wonder why we realise they're idiots.
Why can't THEY realize that they are idiots?
Yeah! We have to do ALL the work.
I realize that. ;)
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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23 Feb 2007 09:29:47 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:13:57 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:18:35 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:20:59 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On 22 Feb 2007 19:29:11 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Name a dozen of them.
And they wonder why we realise they're idiots.
Why can't THEY realize that they are idiots?
Because they're idiots?
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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24 Feb 2007 12:57:34 AM |
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:29:47 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:13:57 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:18:35 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:20:59 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On 22 Feb 2007 19:29:11 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Name a dozen of them.
And they wonder why we realise they're idiots.
Why can't THEY realize that they are idiots?
Because they're idiots?
It was rhetorical, actually.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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23 Feb 2007 06:00:00 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:13:57 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:18:35 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:20:59 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On 22 Feb 2007 19:29:11 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Name a dozen of them.
And they wonder why we realise they're idiots.
Why can't THEY realize that they are idiots?
Nobody does.
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| User: "" |
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23 Feb 2007 03:23:55 AM |
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On 23 Feb, 03:29, "Michael Ejercito" <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:> In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Michael
Mmm. And there were many witnesses to Perseus killing Polydectes
with the Medusa's head. Do you believe in Zeus?
Steve
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| User: "Olrik" |
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22 Feb 2007 10:29:13 PM |
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On Feb 22, 10:29 pm, "Michael Ejercito" <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:> In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
It's a *story*. Get over it, already...
Olrik
Michael
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| User: "Jeckyl" |
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22 Feb 2007 11:00:38 PM |
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"Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 22, 10:29 pm, "Michael Ejercito" <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:> In
alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Where did you get that particular number?
The only reports we have at best is second-hand evidence from those who knew
those who were Jesus followers .. it wouldn't stand up as evidence.
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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23 Feb 2007 02:13:33 AM |
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On Feb 23, 3:29 am, "Michael Ejercito" <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:53 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:> In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejer...@hotmail.com> let us all know that:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Except that there's no evidence for it. Thus, all you have is
faith, which is belief without proof/evidence/belief in the face of
evidence to the contrary.
There were five hundred witnesses who SAW the risen Jesus.
Michael
Hell, even I've played bigger gigs than that :p
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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22 Feb 2007 03:42:42 PM |
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In article <1172174191.085347.296010
@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, says...
"Faith is not belief without proof, but trust without
reservations."
--Elton Trueblood
Translation: "We cannot support our assertions."
....
Unbeliever, there is a limit to what you can understand right now
because you are unregenerate and in your sins (I Corinthians 2:14).
That's an interesting epistemology. Got any philosophical
justification for it?
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If you don't repent you will perish. That is a sure thing.
It cannot be a sure thing if your epistemology is based on "trust
without reservations".
God is.
Unsupported assertion.
Christians don't have to prove anything to atheists and scoffers.
And no one is obliged to accept your unsupported assertions.
....
Regards,
Josef
We do not know a truth without knowing its cause.
-- Aristotle
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| User: "bob young" |
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22 Feb 2007 11:26:01 PM |
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Michael Ejercito wrote:
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/proof.htm
"Faith is not belief without proof, but trust without
reservations."
--Elton Trueblood
A skeptic writes that he needs some proof to believe the claims of
Christ:
"It is hard to sell something that hasn't been seen. Seeing is
believing and a picture is worth a thousand words."
Jesus answers in Matthew 12:39-40:
Thanks for three stupid and banal statements, I won't bother to read any
more.
An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and
there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's
belly; so shall the Son of man be three days, and three nights in the
heart of the earth.
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
. . . . . . .
Unbeliever, there is a limit to what you can understand right now
because you are unregenerate and in your sins (I Corinthians 2:14).
The wrath of a holy God abideth upon you (John 3:36) and the gates of
hell want you there for eternal destruction. Oh, open your eyes and
see! Jesus is good and kind and came from His dwelling place on high
to succour you from that torment.
You need to turn from your sins and say "Yes" to your Creator,
Jesus Christ (Colossians 1:16), for whosoever shall call upon the name
of the Lord shalt be saved (Romans 10:9, 13). He left His throne on
High to die--FOR YOU. Be washed in His blood. Be cleansed. Come to
Jesus and get some rest. Be born again. God will be your Father and
you will have a good understanding as you walk with Him. His Holy
Spirit will guide and lead you through this life and for all eternity.
Jesus is everything that can be desired and all that any sane
person could want--and more. The Lily of the Valley, the Everlasting
God, the Eternal Word, Succourer, Saviour, Creator, Protector, Lord.
Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ
is Lord--that includes Satan, every devil, every false religious
follower, every secular humanist, and every scoffer as well as those
of us who will be shouting "Glory, Hallelujah! Blessed be the Name of
the Lord!"
If you don't repent you will perish. That is a sure thing. It is
most sure. God has been merciful to you and let you live another day
to repent. Please don't die without Jesus.
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/godis.htm
God is.
Christians don't have to prove anything to atheists and scoffers.
Many Christians get shaken up by the latest big words and fancy
ideas coming from dead souls called atheists and scoffers. This ought
not to be. Romans chapter 1 tells us that they KNOW God is. Yes, yes,
some of them have lied to themselves so many times that they begin to
believe there is no God--BUT--things like guilt, hurt, hatred,
despondency, need, and emptiness still plague these people. Their
emotions, desires and actions cannot be adequately explained through
their evolutionary world view. It's hard on 'em to figure it all out.
Psychiatrists are making a killing.
Let's look at Romans chapter 1:
1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in
unrighteousness; 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is
manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 1:20 For the
invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly
seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal
power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 1:21 Because that,
when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were
thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish
heart was darkened. 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became
fools, 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an
image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted
beasts, and creeping things.
Now see there? The Bible tells us all about the scoffer and the
atheist. They KNOW He is real. So next time somebody gets in your face
about YOUR God, there is no need to be shaken in mind. Just give them
the reason for the hope that lieth within you--Christ crucified and
risen. If they don't want to hear it, just shake the dust off of your
feet and move on. There is somebody that wants to hear.
A couple of things to think about...
[1] The atheist comes to you with a presupposition that there is
no God. In so doing, he goes against the grain of the majority of
mankind from the very beginning of time. People have been worshipping
God for thousands of years and the maverick atheist says God ain't
real--is not the burden of proof on him to show that past, present and
future multitudes are wrong?
[2] Given that God simply is (He's the I am) why argue an already
established fact? Evolutionists are just as wrong as the day is long
but they start from the position that evolution is true and that God
has nothing to do with creation. They do not argue this. Why then do
we Christians feel that we must prove God's existence to evil men?
That is ridiculous when you think about it. Don't let scoffers get you
on the ropes. The Bible says, "The wicked flee when no man pursueth,
but the righteous is as bold as a lion." I love that verse. Give 'em
the old time gospel.
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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22 Feb 2007 09:26:09 PM |
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Michael Ejercito:
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
And as there's not one single fucking piece of evidence for that, this shows
that it's all a nonsensical myth.
Unbeliever, there is a limit to what you can understand right now
because you are unregenerate and in your sins (I Corinthians 2:14).
Morontheist, there is a limit to what you can understand right now because
you cling to idiotic dogma as The Truth(TM).
The _wrath_ of a holy God abideth upon you (John 3:36) and the gates of
hell want you there for eternal destruction. Oh, open your eyes and
see! Jesus is _good and kind_ and came from His dwelling place on high
to succour you from that torment.
Rarely does a morontheist announce the sheer madness of its dogma so clearly
and with so little words around it.
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"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "LC" |
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22 Feb 2007 02:05:16 PM |
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Netloon "Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172174191.085347.296010@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
"Faith is not belief without proof, but trust without
reservations."
--Elton Trueblood
Looks like Mikey's lost again.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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22 Feb 2007 05:55:34 PM |
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On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
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How the ***** did you squirm out of my killfile, you insane psychopath?
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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22 Feb 2007 04:40:00 PM |
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On 22 Feb 2007 11:56:31 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/proof.htm
"Faith is not belief without proof, but trust without
reservations."
Or as has been said: the context of ones dependence on the personal
person of Christ. And so it's rather a pity that without any objective
basis for that trust it not uncommonly ends up like trusting ones
invisible friend, which is to say oneself. Which is presumably why
Christ expresses so many contradictory opinions through those that
follow him.
[snip]
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"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
attrib: Pauline Réage.
http://www.city-of-dis.com/p_q.asp?I1=69597&I2=69121
The begining...
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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22 Feb 2007 06:50:56 PM |
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On Feb 22, 11:56 am, "Michael Ejercito" <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jesus answers in Matthew 12:39-40:
"An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and
there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's
belly; so shall the Son of man be three days, and three nights in the
heart of the earth."
Jesus rose from the dead--it's the only sign you'll get as an
unbeliever.
Don't you morons even read your own damn religious texts? Jesus gave
more signs than you can shake a stick at. When you've got a minute
add up all the times He raised the dead, cured the sick, fed the
hungry, walked on water, transfigured, ascended bodily, etc. etc. etc.
He told an asinine lie which you quote above, hoping you wouldn't
notice that it was in blatant contradiction to all the miracles He was
performing. Or maybe it wasn't a lie, maybe He was just really,
really busy with being the Son of Man and forgot. Maybe Jesus was
kind of the Scooter Libby of His day.
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