On 27 Oct 2006 03:00:37 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
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On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:28:23 +0930, Michael Gray

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On 23 Oct 2006 22:30:42 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com>
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Michael Gray wrote:

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:47:58 +0100, Les Hellawell
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On 23 Oct 2006 13:54:36 GMT, Pangur Ban
<Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

Les Hellawell <myrubbishbin@notatleswell.freeuk.net> wrote in
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On 23 Oct 2006 02:18:41 GMT, Pangur Ban
<Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

Randy Day <randy.day@shaw.cax> wrote in
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Pangur Ban wrote: [snip]

*snip* for brevity

Actually I think Googling "TQOM" aught to find them though I
have not tried it. Much of what is written here appears on the
internet. Ever tried googling "Pangur Ban"? If not you are in
for a shock.

I goggled and found nothing shocking. I knew the origin of
Pangur Ban years ago; I knew there was more than one internet
user with the name "Pangur Ban"; I knew posts made by me and the
"other" PBs would show up.

If you had a specific "shocker" in mind, I missed it.... I went
through only the first 10 pages.

I was thinking more in terms of the volume rather than specific
content. I was quite surprised when I did a search on my name
a and found my posts cropping up on dozens of websites many
of them Christian.

You now may be aware that Satan uses "Les Hell-a-well" as an alias.

I can assure you I don't...

And that is just another one of your tricks. Smooth assurances now,
whips and ropes later. (If I'm lucky)

Don't forget sticks and stones.

"Sticks and stones may break my bones But whips and chains excite me!
And if the lunatic christians don't like it they can bite me!"

ROFL! Love it!

Thankee, kindly. {blushing profusely}

Michael Gray wrote:

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:47:58 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myrubbishbin@notatleswell.freeuk.net> wrote:
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On 23 Oct 2006 13:54:36 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:

Les Hellawell <myrubbishbin@notatleswell.freeuk.net> wrote in
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On 23 Oct 2006 02:18:41 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:

Randy Day <randy.day@shaw.cax> wrote in
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Pangur Ban wrote: [snip]

*snip* for brevity

Actually I think Googling "TQOM" aught to find them though I have not
tried it. Much of what is written here appears on the internet. Ever
tried googling "Pangur Ban"? If not you are in for a shock.

I goggled and found nothing shocking. I knew the origin of Pangur Ban
years ago; I knew there was more than one internet user with the name
"Pangur Ban"; I knew posts made by me and the "other" PBs would show up.

If you had a specific "shocker" in mind, I missed it.... I went through
only the first 10 pages.

I was thinking more in terms of the volume rather than specific
content. I was quite surprised when I did a search on my name
a and found my posts cropping up on dozens of websites many
of them Christian.

You now may be aware that Satan uses "Les Hell-a-well" as an alias.

I can assure you I don't...

Randy Day <randy.day@shaw.cax> wrote in
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Pangur Ban wrote: [snip]

Chris, I was nominated for a TQOTM. I assumed and was assured it was
a compliment.

In your case, it was. Quotes get nominated for a variety of reasons.

If I am going to be placed in the same catagory as Kate, how do I go
about getting my nomination and seconds removed?

Get in touch with nemo. If you can't find a message of his to reply
to, post a message with TQOTM in the header. That's how he locates
nominations.

I do not wish my beliefs to be associated with hers in any way,
shape, fashion, or form..... not even in the same catagory. Guilt by
association, and all that.

There are no 'categories' for TQOTM; it's a popular vote off of a list
of quotes. Some get nominated for their reasonableness, some for their
sheer zaniness or rampant, unapologetic hypocrisy. The winners depend
on the mood of the voters at voting time.

Oh. I had to ask what TQOTM meant when nominated; obviously I know
virtually nothing about this. I haven't been on the ng for very long.
If I may ask.... are these quotes kept somewhere online? Can anyone see
them or is special permission required?

How long are the quotes
maintained? Are the posters identified in any way other than their
posting id? Is a list of nominated quotes posted to the entire group?

A resonable theist quote is like a fine wine; we do like to savor its
quality. And rarity.

*smile* Pangur - nonchristian theist....who appreciates your response

In response to:

So if your god told you to kill your mother, would you do it? What
if it said it had to be through a slow, torturous evisceration?
What if it told you to begin feasting on her entrails before she's
even dead? What if it told you to gather all of your children
around, and explain to them that they'll get to do this to you some
day? What if it told you to smile while doing all this?

Kate wrote:

Well if God sent His angel or He clearly ordered me to kill my mother
or torture her, yes I would I am a servant of God. It might be a test
of faith to see I'd be willing to do it.

Seconds?

Well if God sent His angel or He clearly ordered me to kill my mother
or torture her, yes I would I am a servant of God. It might be a test
of faith to see I'd be willing to do it.

Chris Johnson wrote:

Kate wrote:

There is a misconception among Atheists and some Christians God is not
Omni-benevolent as in all good and mercieful. I'll clearly accept the
OT accounts and the Revelation as evidence to this God shows mercy ONLY
to those He deems worthy and who accept Him as their Lord. Being bathed
in the redeeming blood of Jesus His beloved Son that sacrificed His
life for mankinds sin will wash away our evil. To those that could not
know the Law of God such as pagans unaware of the Judeo-Christian
concepts and later of jesus they will be judged fairly according to the
Natural Light of Understanding in the conscience of men. Their works
and deeds tempered by Gods mercy will be the weight of their Judgement.

But to others God is the Final Judge and often poured out His wrath on
humanity through use of His power directly (10 Plagues of Egypt),
through actions of His servants on Earth or through nature. He may test
us with trials such as Job or by allowing bad things to happen to the
Christian. But the world is better off right now His hand is held back
as God protects His people by restraining His wrath. In the Revelation
after the Anti-Christ is revealed God will lift His protection and
Satan will be allowed to work then God will unleash the Final
Judgements upon all the world. Does that sound like a benevolent God?
It doesn't to me either so God is not all benevolent.

And you, uh, worship this thing?

But God is God and as the creator of all we only must worship Him and
honor Him, we serve God and God does not serve us. And for those too
proud to accept that then the wrath poured out upon your heads will be
earned by your treachery in failing to accept God as your Master.

As a Christian I don't set the morality to judge God. Rather God sets
the morality He demands we follow to the best of our ability His Law
and Commandments.

So if your god told you to kill your mother, would you do it? What if
it said it had to be through a slow, torturous evisceration? What if it
told you to begin feasting on her entrails before she's even dead? What
if it told you to gather all of your children around, and explain to
them that they'll get to do this to you some day? What if it told you
to smile while doing all this?

I'll assume you're not going to say "Well of course I'd do it", and
preemptively say that this illustrates the flaw in your system. Humans
are quite capable of judging the morality of various concepts, no
matter their source. So saying that you "don't set the morality to
judge God" is absurd. Of course you do. You're simply rationalizing the
monstrosities in your book, which is very easy to do since the
monstrosities carried out in your gods name have always been far away
and long ago.

In the off chance that you do say "Well of course I'd do it", I'd like
you to print out this post, take it to a doctor and say "I need help."

Well if God sent His angel or He clearly ordered me to kill my mother
or torture her, yes I would I am a servant of God. It might be a test
of faith to see I'd be willing to do it.