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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Truth Hunter" |
| Date: |
29 Aug 2004 10:18:26 AM |
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God killed Jesus for our sins. |
God killed Jesus for our sins.
Do you honestly believe that Adam and Eve ate the fruit and the rest
of mankind was punished until God sent his son to be murdered by the
Romans so he could forgive us?
This God tossed man out of the garden of eden for eating the wrong
food group, stayed pissed at us for all this time, then somehow felt
he had to send his "son" down to be killed by the people he was
pissed at so he could forgive
them.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: God killed Jesus for our sins. |
04 Sep 2004 01:54:09 PM |
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"Shazzabazz" <shazzabazz@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:imrdj09rb57ebkanlf9sfjv82mf632sa7f@4ax.com...
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:19:20 GMT, "ChuckPFb" <nospam1@nospam2.com>
wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:12:51 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net>
wrote:
So the all just one in heaven blames all of mankind for the sins of
Adam and
Eve?
Only when we imitate A&E. Our salvation is oh so so easy to reclaim.
Yes, all one need do is join the RCC and eat a God cookie at least
every
week, also contribute 10% of your income to the RCC and you should be
in good shape.
Nope, all you have to do is say a heart-felt "Thank you Jesus".
Ah, so that's all there is to "Taking responsibility for your actions"?
Wow!
We should contact the criminal Justice system right away and tell them
we
don't need those pesky courts and stuff anymore, all we have to do is
just
have the perpetrator say "Thank you Jesus" and forgive him. After all,
if
it's good enough for god, then surely it's good enough for us, right?
Yeah, I can see plummeting crime stats right now! Suuuure.
You seem to be confusing the issue, but ironically, your sarcastic
statement is right! If all of society said a heartfelt "thank you,
Jesus", crime would indeed disappear.
This claim is so insane that it's hard to know how to respond.
According to what Christians tell me, all you have to do is utter that
heartfelt thank you on your death-bed, and you get to go to heaven no matter
what crimes you've committed. That's a recipe for criminal activity because
you're handed a loophole to avoid responsibility for your actions.
The only effective way to fight crime is to promote goodness.
Now there's a vague utterance if I ever heard one.
I would rather show people how crime is not in their best interest.
It largely
works - the vast majority of people don't commit crimes, not because
they fear punishment, but because they choose to be law abiding people.
Then why thank Jesus? Oh yeah, because he supposedly saves you from
punishment.
What was that about fear again?
Sadly, a small minority don't, so courts and jails and police are
necessary.
Got it all figured out, do you? Must be nice to live in such a black and
white world.
Oddly, you have not explained how, exactly, you plan to "promote goodness".
I think they tried that in the dark ages, it was called the inquisition.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: God killed Jesus for our sins. |
05 Sep 2004 02:55:03 PM |
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On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:54:09 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
You seem to be confusing the issue, but ironically, your sarcastic
statement is right! If all of society said a heartfelt "thank you,
Jesus", crime would indeed disappear.
This claim is so insane that it's hard to know how to respond.
No, loubert, you're to insane to understand.
According to what Christians tell me, all you have to do is utter that
heartfelt thank you on your death-bed, and you get to go to heaven no matter
what crimes you've committed. That's a recipe for criminal activity because
you're handed a loophole to avoid responsibility for your actions.
Nope. That Christian was talking waaaaaaay over your head.
The only effective way to fight crime is to promote goodness.
Now there's a vague utterance if I ever heard one.
The vacant spaces between your ears leaves no room for understanding.
I would rather show people how crime is not in their best interest.
A "faith in God" works miracles.
It largely
works - the vast majority of people don't commit crimes, not because
they fear punishment, but because they choose to be law abiding people.
Then why thank Jesus? Oh yeah, because he supposedly saves you from
punishment.
He saves the believer who repents of his sinfulness and asks for forgiveness.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: God killed Jesus for our sins. |
05 Sep 2004 08:45:02 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:qfrmj0hgvjrr22r54oj2ij0ufl49allntu@4ax.com...
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:54:09 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
You seem to be confusing the issue, but ironically, your sarcastic
statement is right! If all of society said a heartfelt "thank you,
Jesus", crime would indeed disappear.
This claim is so insane that it's hard to know how to respond.
No, loubert, you're to insane to understand.
Insult Number one. Thank you Jesus!
Jesus loves you for insulting me.
According to what Christians tell me, all you have to do is utter that
heartfelt thank you on your death-bed, and you get to go to heaven no
matter
what crimes you've committed. That's a recipe for criminal activity
because
you're handed a loophole to avoid responsibility for your actions.
Nope. That Christian was talking waaaaaaay over your head.
Insult number two. Thank you Jesus!
Jesus calls you to insult me!
The only effective way to fight crime is to promote goodness.
Now there's a vague utterance if I ever heard one.
The vacant spaces between your ears leaves no room for understanding.
Insult number three. Thank you Jesus!
Jesus is really a master of the lame insult!
I would rather show people how crime is not in their best interest.
A "faith in God" works miracles.
It largely
works - the vast majority of people don't commit crimes, not because
they fear punishment, but because they choose to be law abiding people.
Then why thank Jesus? Oh yeah, because he supposedly saves you from
punishment.
He saves the believer who repents of his sinfulness and asks for
forgiveness.
And are you going to wait until you're on your death-bed to repent for all
the insults you issue?
Case in point.
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "•R.L.Measures" |
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| Title: Re: God killed Jesus for our sins. |
05 Sep 2004 04:18:11 PM |
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In article <qfrmj0hgvjrr22r54oj2ij0ufl49allntu@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:54:09 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
You seem to be confusing the issue, but ironically, your sarcastic
statement is right! If all of society said a heartfelt "thank you,
Jesus", crime would indeed disappear.
This claim is so insane that it's hard to know how to respond.
No, loubert, you're to insane to understand.
According to what Christians tell me, all you have to do is utter that
heartfelt thank you on your death-bed, and you get to go to heaven no matter
what crimes you've committed. That's a recipe for criminal activity because
you're handed a loophole to avoid responsibility for your actions.
Nope. That Christian was talking waaaaaaay over your head.
The only effective way to fight crime is to promote goodness.
Now there's a vague utterance if I ever heard one.
The vacant spaces between your ears leaves no room for understanding.
I would rather show people how crime is not in their best interest.
A "faith in God" works miracles.
It largely
works - the vast majority of people don't commit crimes, not because
they fear punishment, but because they choose to be law abiding people.
Then why thank Jesus? Oh yeah, because he supposedly saves you from
punishment.
He saves the believer who repents of his sinfulness and asks for forgiveness.
** This is not what he said in the Sermon on the Mount.
--
€ R.L.Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: God killed Jesus for our sins. |
03 Sep 2004 10:49:27 PM |
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On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:32:00 -0700, Shazzabazz <shazzabazz@tpg.com.au>
wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:imrdj09rb57ebkanlf9sfjv82mf632sa7f@4ax.com...
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:19:20 GMT, "ChuckPFb" <nospam1@nospam2.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:12:51 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net>
wrote:
So the all just one in heaven blames all of mankind for the sins of
Adam and
Eve?
Only when we imitate A&E. Our salvation is oh so so easy to reclaim.
Yes, all one need do is join the RCC and eat a God cookie at least every
week, also contribute 10% of your income to the RCC and you should be
in good shape.
Nope, all you have to do is say a heart-felt "Thank you Jesus".
Ah, so that's all there is to "Taking responsibility for your actions"? Wow!
We should contact the criminal Justice system right away and tell them we
don't need those pesky courts and stuff anymore, all we have to do is just
have the perpetrator say "Thank you Jesus" and forgive him. After all, if
it's good enough for god, then surely it's good enough for us, right?
Yeah, I can see plummeting crime stats right now! Suuuure.
You seem to be confusing the issue, but ironically, your sarcastic
statement is right! If all of society said a heartfelt "thank you,
Jesus", crime would indeed disappear.
The only effective way to fight crime is to promote goodness. It largely
works - the vast majority of people don't commit crimes, not because
they fear punishment, but because they choose to be law abiding people.
Sadly, a small minority don't, so courts and jails and police are
necessary.
The statisics show that in the US at least, atheists are way
under-represented in prisons, on a per-capita basis.
Christians are over-represented.
Athiests also have the lowest divorce rates of any "religious" group.
From these stats, one can reliably conclude that being an atheist
makes you significantly more moral.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
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| User: "Crippled Hateful Freak" |
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| Title: Re: God killed Jesus for our sins. |
04 Sep 2004 07:03:18 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:32:00 -0700, Shazzabazz <shazzabazz@tpg.com.au>
wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:imrdj09rb57ebkanlf9sfjv82mf632sa7f@4ax.com...
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:19:20 GMT, "ChuckPFb" <nospam1@nospam2.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:12:51 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net>
wrote:
So the all just one in heaven blames all of mankind for the sins of
Adam and
Eve?
Only when we imitate A&E. Our salvation is oh so so easy to reclaim.
Yes, all one need do is join the RCC and eat a God cookie at least every
week, also contribute 10% of your income to the RCC and you should be
in good shape.
Nope, all you have to do is say a heart-felt "Thank you Jesus".
Ah, so that's all there is to "Taking responsibility for your actions"? Wow!
We should contact the criminal Justice system right away and tell them we
don't need those pesky courts and stuff anymore, all we have to do is just
have the perpetrator say "Thank you Jesus" and forgive him. After all, if
it's good enough for god, then surely it's good enough for us, right?
Yeah, I can see plummeting crime stats right now! Suuuure.
You seem to be confusing the issue, but ironically, your sarcastic
statement is right! If all of society said a heartfelt "thank you,
Jesus", crime would indeed disappear.
The only effective way to fight crime is to promote goodness. It largely
works - the vast majority of people don't commit crimes, not because
they fear punishment, but because they choose to be law abiding people.
Sadly, a small minority don't, so courts and jails and police are
necessary.
The statisics show that in the US at least, atheists are way
under-represented in prisons, on a per-capita basis.
Christians are over-represented.
Athiests also have the lowest divorce rates of any "religious" group.
From these stats, one can reliably conclude that being an atheist
makes you significantly more moral.
Unreliably.
Your first statement asserts atheists have a lower divorce rate, but
they
also have the lowest marriage rate. Thereby accounting for the
deviation.
Your second assertion is that based on this assertion, as well as the
atheism
to Christian ratio in prison populations, atheists are significantly
more moral.
Perhaps the reason the prison population is lacking in athesists is that
they
have spent more time considering their choices and actions, and have
confidence
in their choices.
Most prison inmates are those who have not considered their options to a
degree
high enough to stay out of prison.
There is no data presented here to suggest that atheists are "more"
moral than
Christians.
-
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http://www.muchosucko.com/flash/pentagonlies.html
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: God killed Jesus for our sins. |
04 Sep 2004 01:41:25 PM |
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"Crippled Hateful Freak" <DCI@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4139AE55.C9F@yahoo.com...
Michael Gray wrote:
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:32:00 -0700, Shazzabazz <shazzabazz@tpg.com.au>
wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:imrdj09rb57ebkanlf9sfjv82mf632sa7f@4ax.com...
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:19:20 GMT, "ChuckPFb" <nospam1@nospam2.com>
wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:12:51 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net>
wrote:
So the all just one in heaven blames all of mankind for the sins
of
Adam and
Eve?
Only when we imitate A&E. Our salvation is oh so so easy to
reclaim.
Yes, all one need do is join the RCC and eat a God cookie at least
every
week, also contribute 10% of your income to the RCC and you should
be
in good shape.
Nope, all you have to do is say a heart-felt "Thank you Jesus".
Ah, so that's all there is to "Taking responsibility for your
actions"? Wow!
We should contact the criminal Justice system right away and tell
them we
don't need those pesky courts and stuff anymore, all we have to do is
just
have the perpetrator say "Thank you Jesus" and forgive him. After
all, if
it's good enough for god, then surely it's good enough for us, right?
Yeah, I can see plummeting crime stats right now! Suuuure.
You seem to be confusing the issue, but ironically, your sarcastic
statement is right! If all of society said a heartfelt "thank you,
Jesus", crime would indeed disappear.
The only effective way to fight crime is to promote goodness. It
largely
works - the vast majority of people don't commit crimes, not because
they fear punishment, but because they choose to be law abiding people.
Sadly, a small minority don't, so courts and jails and police are
necessary.
The statisics show that in the US at least, atheists are way
under-represented in prisons, on a per-capita basis.
Christians are over-represented.
Athiests also have the lowest divorce rates of any "religious" group.
From these stats, one can reliably conclude that being an atheist
makes you significantly more moral.
Unreliably.
Your first statement asserts atheists have a lower divorce rate, but
they
also have the lowest marriage rate. Thereby accounting for the
deviation.
Irrelevant. You have to get married before you can divorce. Atheist
marriages last longer than Christian ones.
You lose.
Your second assertion is that based on this assertion, as well as the
atheism
to Christian ratio in prison populations, atheists are significantly
more moral.
The nimbers speak for themselves.
Perhaps the reason the prison population is lacking in athesists is that
they
have spent more time considering their choices and actions, and have
confidence
in their choices.
And perhaps monkeys fly out of their butts. You can speculate all you like,
but the numbers speak for themselves.
Most prison inmates are those who have not considered their options to a
degree
high enough to stay out of prison.
You know this for a fact?
There is no data presented here to suggest that atheists are "more"
moral than
Christians.
The numbers speak for themselves. You hate that, don't you.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: God killed Jesus for our sins. |
04 Sep 2004 08:57:43 PM |
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On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:41:25 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
"Crippled Hateful Freak" <DCI@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4139AE55.C9F@yahoo.com...
Michael Gray wrote:
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:32:00 -0700, Shazzabazz <shazzabazz@tpg.com.au>
wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:imrdj09rb57ebkanlf9sfjv82mf632sa7f@4ax.com...
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:19:20 GMT, "ChuckPFb" <nospam1@nospam2.com>
wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:12:51 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net>
wrote:
So the all just one in heaven blames all of mankind for the sins
of
Adam and
Eve?
Only when we imitate A&E. Our salvation is oh so so easy to
reclaim.
Yes, all one need do is join the RCC and eat a God cookie at least
every
week, also contribute 10% of your income to the RCC and you should
be
in good shape.
Nope, all you have to do is say a heart-felt "Thank you Jesus".
Ah, so that's all there is to "Taking responsibility for your
actions"? Wow!
We should contact the criminal Justice system right away and tell
them we
don't need those pesky courts and stuff anymore, all we have to do is
just
have the perpetrator say "Thank you Jesus" and forgive him. After
all, if
it's good enough for god, then surely it's good enough for us, right?
Yeah, I can see plummeting crime stats right now! Suuuure.
You seem to be confusing the issue, but ironically, your sarcastic
statement is right! If all of society said a heartfelt "thank you,
Jesus", crime would indeed disappear.
The only effective way to fight crime is to promote goodness. It
largely
works - the vast majority of people don't commit crimes, not because
they fear punishment, but because they choose to be law abiding people.
Sadly, a small minority don't, so courts and jails and police are
necessary.
The statisics show that in the US at least, atheists are way
under-represented in prisons, on a per-capita basis.
Christians are over-represented.
Athiests also have the lowest divorce rates of any "religious" group.
From these stats, one can reliably conclude that being an atheist
makes you significantly more moral.
Unreliably.
Your first statement asserts atheists have a lower divorce rate, but
they
also have the lowest marriage rate. Thereby accounting for the
deviation.
Irrelevant. You have to get married before you can divorce. Atheist
marriages last longer than Christian ones.
You lose.
Your second assertion is that based on this assertion, as well as the
atheism
to Christian ratio in prison populations, atheists are significantly
more moral.
The nimbers speak for themselves.
Perhaps the reason the prison population is lacking in athesists is that
they
have spent more time considering their choices and actions, and have
confidence
in their choices.
And perhaps monkeys fly out of their butts. You can speculate all you like,
but the numbers speak for themselves.
Most prison inmates are those who have not considered their options to a
degree
high enough to stay out of prison.
You know this for a fact?
There is no data presented here to suggest that atheists are "more"
moral than
Christians.
The numbers speak for themselves. You hate that, don't you.
Actually, I suspect, as do others, that al;though the correlations are
quite real, they are not entirely causal, but threw it up anyway to
see what the reaction was.
I think that the demonstrated and very profound (positive) correlation
between education and atheism is the basis for many of these
subsequent effects.
The more educated you are, the less likely you are to be imprisoned,
and less likely to commit to any type of folly, including ill fated
partnerships, smoking, poor diet, resort to violence etc, etc.
(Although it does not make one entirely immune, more's the pity!)
Of course, the inverse correlation applies as well:
the less educated you are, the more likely you are to believe in
religious ideas and other superstitions.
And the more likely you are to commit other follies related to
inadequate judgement.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: God killed Jesus for our sins. |
05 Sep 2004 12:26:25 AM |
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:g7skj0108p2fl8chn2be15nu02ugvfg17t@4ax.com...
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:41:25 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
"Crippled Hateful Freak" <DCI@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4139AE55.C9F@yahoo.com...
Michael Gray wrote:
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:32:00 -0700, Shazzabazz
<shazzabazz@tpg.com.au>
wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:imrdj09rb57ebkanlf9sfjv82mf632sa7f@4ax.com...
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:19:20 GMT, "ChuckPFb" <nospam1@nospam2.com>
wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:12:51 -0400, "Dusty"
<Nothere@tbaytel.net>
wrote:
So the all just one in heaven blames all of mankind for the
sins
of
Adam and
Eve?
Only when we imitate A&E. Our salvation is oh so so easy to
reclaim.
Yes, all one need do is join the RCC and eat a God cookie at
least
every
week, also contribute 10% of your income to the RCC and you
should
be
in good shape.
Nope, all you have to do is say a heart-felt "Thank you Jesus".
Ah, so that's all there is to "Taking responsibility for your
actions"? Wow!
We should contact the criminal Justice system right away and tell
them we
don't need those pesky courts and stuff anymore, all we have to do
is
just
have the perpetrator say "Thank you Jesus" and forgive him. After
all, if
it's good enough for god, then surely it's good enough for us,
right?
Yeah, I can see plummeting crime stats right now! Suuuure.
You seem to be confusing the issue, but ironically, your sarcastic
statement is right! If all of society said a heartfelt "thank you,
Jesus", crime would indeed disappear.
The only effective way to fight crime is to promote goodness. It
largely
works - the vast majority of people don't commit crimes, not because
they fear punishment, but because they choose to be law abiding
people.
Sadly, a small minority don't, so courts and jails and police are
necessary.
The statisics show that in the US at least, atheists are way
under-represented in prisons, on a per-capita basis.
Christians are over-represented.
Athiests also have the lowest divorce rates of any "religious" group.
From these stats, one can reliably conclude that being an atheist
makes you significantly more moral.
Unreliably.
Your first statement asserts atheists have a lower divorce rate, but
they
also have the lowest marriage rate. Thereby accounting for the
deviation.
Irrelevant. You have to get married before you can divorce. Atheist
marriages last longer than Christian ones.
You lose.
Your second assertion is that based on this assertion, as well as the
atheism
to Christian ratio in prison populations, atheists are significantly
more moral.
The nimbers speak for themselves.
Perhaps the reason the prison population is lacking in athesists is
that
they
have spent more time considering their choices and actions, and have
confidence
in their choices.
And perhaps monkeys fly out of their butts. You can speculate all you
like,
but the numbers speak for themselves.
Most prison inmates are those who have not considered their options to
a
degree
high enough to stay out of prison.
You know this for a fact?
There is no data presented here to suggest that atheists are "more"
moral than
Christians.
The numbers speak for themselves. You hate that, don't you.
Actually, I suspect, as do others, that al;though the correlations are
quite real, they are not entirely causal, but threw it up anyway to
see what the reaction was.
Granted, the numbers alone are insufficent to prove anything, but likewise
cannot be simply dismissed through speculation.
I think that the demonstrated and very profound (positive) correlation
between education and atheism is the basis for many of these
subsequent effects.
The more educated you are, the less likely you are to be imprisoned,
and less likely to commit to any type of folly, including ill fated
partnerships, smoking, poor diet, resort to violence etc, etc.
(Although it does not make one entirely immune, more's the pity!)
Of course, the inverse correlation applies as well:
the less educated you are, the more likely you are to believe in
religious ideas and other superstitions.
And the more likely you are to commit other follies related to
inadequate judgement.
However I seem to recall studies that muddy these waters. Reality is never
as clear cut as I want it to be.
Darn it.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Crippled Hateful Freak" |
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| Title: Re: God killed Jesus for our sins. |
04 Sep 2004 06:48:49 AM |
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Shazzabazz wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:imrdj09rb57ebkanlf9sfjv82mf632sa7f@4ax.com...
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:19:20 GMT, "ChuckPFb" <nospam1@nospam2.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:12:51 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net>
wrote:
So the all just one in heaven blames all of mankind for the sins of
Adam and
Eve?
Only when we imitate A&E. Our salvation is oh so so easy to reclaim.
Yes, all one need do is join the RCC and eat a God cookie at least every
week, also contribute 10% of your income to the RCC and you should be
in good shape.
Nope, all you have to do is say a heart-felt "Thank you Jesus".
Ah, so that's all there is to "Taking responsibility for your actions"? Wow!
We should contact the criminal Justice system right away and tell them we
don't need those pesky courts and stuff anymore, all we have to do is just
have the perpetrator say "Thank you Jesus" and forgive him. After all, if
it's good enough for god, then surely it's good enough for us, right?
Yeah, I can see plummeting crime stats right now! Suuuure.
You seem to be confusing the issue, but ironically, your sarcastic
statement is right! If all of society said a heartfelt "thank you,
Jesus", crime would indeed disappear.
The only effective way to fight crime is to promote goodness. It largely
works - the vast majority of people don't commit crimes, not because
they fear punishment, but because they choose to be law abiding people.
Sadly, a small minority don't, so courts and jails and police are
necessary.
A small minority are born into suffering and often commit crimes to
attempt to
live their lives like normal people, or for personal gain.
Others are born into suffering and commit no crimes, accepting their
lives.
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On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:48:06 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Nope, all you have to do is say a heart-felt "Thank you Jesus".
Ah, so that's all there is to "Taking responsibility for your actions"? Wow!
Yep, unless you do some bad actions, then you have to confess them to God.
We should contact the criminal Justice system right away and tell them we
don't need those pesky courts and stuff anymore, all we have to do is just
have the perpetrator say "Thank you Jesus" and forgive him.
That takes care of God's laws, but not manmade criminal laws.
After all, if
it's good enough for god, then surely it's good enough for us, right?
Yeah, I can see plummeting crime stats right now! Suuuure.
Quite true for the one that says a heart-felt "Thank you Jesus".
duke
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05 Sep 2004 08:46:39 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:48:06 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Nope, all you have to do is say a heart-felt "Thank you Jesus".
Ah, so that's all there is to "Taking responsibility for your actions"?
Wow!
Yep, unless you do some bad actions, then you have to confess them to God.
Is insulting people a bad action?
We should contact the criminal Justice system right away and tell them we
don't need those pesky courts and stuff anymore, all we have to do is
just
have the perpetrator say "Thank you Jesus" and forgive him.
That takes care of God's laws, but not manmade criminal laws.
Is insulting people a bad action?
After all, if
it's good enough for god, then surely it's good enough for us, right?
Yeah, I can see plummeting crime stats right now! Suuuure.
Quite true for the one that says a heart-felt "Thank you Jesus".
Will Jesus appreciate your insults?
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05 Sep 2004 09:18:56 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:48:06 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
Nope, all you have to do is say a heart-felt "Thank you Jesus".
Ah, so that's all there is to "Taking responsibility for your
actions"? Wow!
Yep, unless you do some bad actions, then you have to confess them
to God.
Is insulting people a bad action?
We should contact the criminal Justice system right away and tell
them we don't need those pesky courts and stuff anymore, all we
have to do is just have the perpetrator say "Thank you Jesus" and
forgive him.
That takes care of God's laws, but not manmade criminal laws.
Is insulting people a bad action?
After all, if
it's good enough for god, then surely it's good enough for us,
right? Yeah, I can see plummeting crime stats right now! Suuuure.
Quite true for the one that says a heart-felt "Thank you Jesus".
Will Jesus appreciate your insults?
Earl has stated that he never insults people and is here to help so these
must be compliments.
On the other hand he believes that god is one and can sit beside himself...
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02 Sep 2004 10:47:25 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:<imrdj09rb57ebkanlf9sfjv82mf632sa7f@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:19:20 GMT, "ChuckPFb" <nospam1@nospam2.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:12:51 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net> wrote:
So the all just one in heaven blames all of mankind for the sins of Adam and
Eve?
Only when we imitate A&E. Our salvation is oh so so easy to reclaim.
Yes, all one need do is join the RCC and eat a God cookie at least every
week, also contribute 10% of your income to the RCC and you should be
in good shape.
Nope, all you have to do is say a heart-felt "Thank you Jesus".
Yep, doesn't matter how evil one has been; a quick "Thanks" and up you
squirt. Say hi to Hitler and his pals when you get there.
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31 Aug 2004 06:05:27 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:12:51 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net> wrote:
Do you honestly believe that Adam and Eve ate the fruit and the rest
of mankind was punished until God sent his son to be murdered by the
Romans so he could forgive us?
Oh, they ate the fruit alright, and thereby eliminated eternal salvation
from their future.
So the all just one in heaven blames all of mankind for the sins of Adam
and
Eve?
Only when we imitate A&E. Our salvation is oh so so easy to reclaim.
But God became man in the person of Jesus to die on the cross for our
redemption
from sin, and return of salvation to us.
In other words, God couldn't forgive us for the sins of someone else
unless
he received a blood sacrifice of his own making.
God became man himself, in the person of Jesus, to die on the cross.
God became man (no big feat in itself) to die for our sins ( not that we
don't pay for our own sins) as though a human sacrifice is any sort of a
sacrifice for a GOD! wow. What a silly token, and then after all that "dying
for our sins" we still have the eternal hell fire waiting for us to ***** up
by using the free will given to us by the almighty. what a fucken mixed up
bag of phsycosis that is. Have I missed something?
Dusty
Thank you Lord.
duke
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Matthew 22
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31 Aug 2004 09:47:09 PM |
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"Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net> wrote in
news:10ja10j9r69mc81@corp.supernews.com:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:12:51 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net>
wrote:
Do you honestly believe that Adam and Eve ate the fruit and the
rest of mankind was punished until God sent his son to be murdered
by the Romans so he could forgive us?
Oh, they ate the fruit alright, and thereby eliminated eternal
salvation from their future.
So the all just one in heaven blames all of mankind for the sins of
Adam and
Eve?
Only when we imitate A&E. Our salvation is oh so so easy to reclaim.
But God became man in the person of Jesus to die on the cross for our
redemption
from sin, and return of salvation to us.
In other words, God couldn't forgive us for the sins of someone else
unless
he received a blood sacrifice of his own making.
God became man himself, in the person of Jesus, to die on the cross.
God became man (no big feat in itself) to die for our sins ( not that
we don't pay for our own sins) as though a human sacrifice is any sort
of a sacrifice for a GOD!
Not much of a sacrifice at all. Took a couple of days off dead and then
went back to being a god. Lets see, a god becomes human, sacrifices
itself to itself by getting executed for sedition and thereby forgives
mankind for one of their ancestors eating the wrong sort of fruit. The
catch is you still get punished for eternity if you don't believe it.
Yeah it all makes sense now!
wow. What a silly token, and then after all
that "dying for our sins" we still have the eternal hell fire waiting
for us to ***** up by using the free will given to us by the almighty.
what a fucken mixed up bag of phsycosis that is. Have I missed
something?
To understand it, you have to wear the right sort of kilt and mumble to
yourself a lot like that guy that attacked the runner at the olympics.
LK.
Dusty
Thank you Lord.
duke
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31 Aug 2004 07:21:07 PM |
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"Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net> wrote in message news:10ja10j9r69mc81@corp.supernews.com...
God became man (no big feat in itself) to die for our sins ( not that we
don't pay for our own sins) as though a human sacrifice is any sort of a
sacrifice for a GOD! wow. What a silly token, and then after all that "dying
for our sins" we still have the eternal hell fire waiting for us to ***** up
by using the free will given to us by the almighty. what a fucken mixed up
bag of phsycosis that is. Have I missed something?
Yeah, it's really just an ancient scam to get at least 10% of your property.
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02 Sep 2004 04:58:20 AM |
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On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:05:27 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net> wrote:
God became man himself, in the person of Jesus, to die on the cross.
God became man (no big feat in itself) to die for our sins ( not that we
don't pay for our own sins) as though a human sacrifice is any sort of a
sacrifice for a GOD!
Jesus was fully man and fully God. The fully human part of Jesus felt every nail, every
scourge, ever spear point, every beating, every moment of loneliness before he died on the
cross.
wow. What a silly token, and then after all that "dying
for our sins" we still have the eternal hell fire waiting for us to ***** up
by using the free will given to us by the almighty. what a fucken mixed up
bag of phsycosis that is. Have I missed something?
Dusty
I don't think you could find it if it was in the palm of your hand.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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02 Sep 2004 06:05:45 AM |
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 04:58:20 -0500 in
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, duke (duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:05:27 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net> wrote:
God became man himself, in the person of Jesus, to die on the cross.
God became man (no big feat in itself) to die for our sins ( not that we
don't pay for our own sins) as though a human sacrifice is any sort of a
sacrifice for a GOD!
Jesus was fully man and fully God. The fully human part of Jesus felt every nail, every
scourge, ever spear point, every beating, every moment of loneliness before he died on the
cross.
As did at least hundreds of thousands of others, the Romans being
rather big on crucifixion. What marks his suffering out from that of
say the those thousands crucified before and after him? Indeed for
most people, so it's related, it took days to die, as opposed to mere
hours. And one presumes that for a God, mere death albeit a horrible
one is little more than an inconvenience given his omniscient nature
and absolute knowledge of the is to be.
And there's the crux of the objection. If it's all as related, then he
"knew* it'd "all turn out all right in the end". He had a certain hope
which is denied to "merely mortals" in similar situations.
wow. What a silly token, and then after all that "dying
for our sins" we still have the eternal hell fire waiting for us to ***** up
by using the free will given to us by the almighty. what a fucken mixed up
bag of phsycosis that is. Have I missed something?
Dusty
I don't think you could find it if it was in the palm of your hand.
Oh the wrist my dear, the wrist.
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02 Sep 2004 08:57:39 AM |
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In article <tsudj0920tu5vgc8oa9frv7rfotjdaha1l@4ax.com>, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 04:58:20 -0500 in
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, duke (duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:05:27 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net> wrote:
God became man himself, in the person of Jesus, to die on the cross.
God became man (no big feat in itself) to die for our sins ( not that we
don't pay for our own sins) as though a human sacrifice is any sort of a
sacrifice for a GOD!
Jesus was fully man and fully God. The fully human part of Jesus felt
every nail, every
scourge, ever spear point, every beating, every moment of loneliness
before he died on the
cross.
As did at least hundreds of thousands of others, the Romans being
rather big on crucifixion. What marks his suffering out from that of
say the those thousands crucified before and after him? ...
• Jesus' crucifixion was unique in that his shedding of Blessed salvic
blood provided a free pass to do pretty much whatever the hell we want.
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:05:45 +0100, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:05:27 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net> wrote:
God became man himself, in the person of Jesus, to die on the cross.
God became man (no big feat in itself) to die for our sins ( not that we
don't pay for our own sins) as though a human sacrifice is any sort of a
sacrifice for a GOD!
Jesus was fully man and fully God. The fully human part of Jesus felt every nail, every
scourge, ever spear point, every beating, every moment of loneliness before he died on the
cross.
As did at least hundreds of thousands of others, the Romans being
rather big on crucifixion. What marks his suffering out from that of
say the those thousands crucified before and after him?
He elected to become man to undergo that very experience.
And there's the crux of the objection. If it's all as related, then he
"knew* it'd "all turn out all right in the end". He had a certain hope
which is denied to "merely mortals" in similar situations.
Yet he was fully man, so he "couldn't know".
duke
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Matthew 22
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04 Sep 2004 05:45:52 AM |
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:11:23 -0500 in alt.atheism, duke (duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:05:45 +0100, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:05:27 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net> wrote:
God became man himself, in the person of Jesus, to die on the cross.
God became man (no big feat in itself) to die for our sins ( not that we
don't pay for our own sins) as though a human sacrifice is any sort of a
sacrifice for a GOD!
Jesus was fully man and fully God. The fully human part of Jesus felt every nail, every
scourge, ever spear point, every beating, every moment of loneliness before he died on the
cross.
As did at least hundreds of thousands of others, the Romans being
rather big on crucifixion. What marks his suffering out from that of
say the those thousands crucified before and after him?
He elected to become man to undergo that very experience.
He chose to die in the place of others. It's not that uncommon.
And there's the crux of the objection. If it's all as related, then he
"knew* it'd "all turn out all right in the end". He had a certain hope
which is denied to "merely mortals" in similar situations.
Yet he was fully man, so he "couldn't know".
But if he was fully God he couldn't not know.
How do resolve this paradox, or would you prefer to consider it a
mystery, in the technical sense?
--
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:11:23 -0500 in alt.atheism, duke (duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
He elected to become man to undergo that very experience.
He chose to die in the place of others. It's not that uncommon.
True. A lot of cops and firefighters choose to die in the place of others
on 9-11-01. However, they experienced true death, not make-believe death
where you return a few days later in better shape than before.
Yet he was fully man, so he "couldn't know".
But if he was fully God he couldn't not know.
How do resolve this paradox, or would you prefer to consider it a
mystery, in the technical sense?
Once you realize it's not a paradox or mystery, but just cult balderdash
instead, it's all resolved!
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04 Sep 2004 07:45:05 AM |
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On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 12:21:59 GMT in alt.atheism, ChuckPFb ("ChuckPFb"
<nospam1a@nospam2.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:11:23 -0500 in alt.atheism, duke (duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
He elected to become man to undergo that very experience.
He chose to die in the place of others. It's not that uncommon.
True. A lot of cops and firefighters choose to die in the place of others
on 9-11-01. However, they experienced true death, not make-believe death
where you return a few days later in better shape than before.
Indeed.
Yet he was fully man, so he "couldn't know".
But if he was fully God he couldn't not know.
How do resolve this paradox, or would you prefer to consider it a
mystery, in the technical sense?
Once you realize it's not a paradox or mystery, but just cult balderdash
instead, it's all resolved!
*I* realise many things, he said... I am interested in how Duke
resolves this paradox in the context of what he's previously said and
what he apparently believes.
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02 Sep 2004 09:09:18 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:05:45 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
He elected to become man to undergo that very experience.
And there's the crux of the objection. If it's all as related, then
he "knew* it'd "all turn out all right in the end". He had a certain
hope which is denied to "merely mortals" in similar situations.
Yet he was fully man, so he "couldn't know".
Then his claim to a second coming as well as his claim to divinity was
either a lie or the interpretation Islam puts on the story is true.
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03 Sep 2004 03:24:22 AM |
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In article <inQZc.14840$Dg1.9893@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>, "Mike
Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:05:45 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
He elected to become man to undergo that very experience.
And there's the crux of the objection. If it's all as related, then
he "knew* it'd "all turn out all right in the end". He had a certain
hope which is denied to "merely mortals" in similar situations.
Yet he was fully man, so he "couldn't know".
Then his claim to a second coming as well as his claim to divinity was
either a lie or the interpretation Islam puts on the story is true.
** In the Qur'an [a.k.a. Koran], at 5:15 - 5:18, Mohammed ibn Abdallah said:
"Unbelievers in God are those who declare: God is the Messiah, the son of Mary."
As I see it, this is one thing Muhammad got right. In his Sermon on the
Mount, the son of Mary states that God forgives those who forgive others -
but within reason. If this is true, we don't need no stinkin' messiah.
/// Editorial -- All religions seem to offer some truth, but it's up to
each one of us to use our God-given common sense to separate out the
*****. My guess is that if there is ever a Judgement Day, there will
not be one religion that is declared the grand prize winner.
cheers, Mike
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02 Sep 2004 08:52:17 AM |
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In article <tfrdj0d8dha66jo7uq7teegasu8r6jbgic@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:05:27 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net> wrote:
God became man himself, in the person of Jesus, to die on the cross.
God became man (no big feat in itself) to die for our sins ( not that we
don't pay for our own sins) as though a human sacrifice is any sort of a
sacrifice for a GOD!
Jesus was fully man and fully God. The fully human part of Jesus felt
every nail, every
scourge, ever spear point, every beating, every moment of loneliness
before he died on the
cross.
• Damn right He did, Duke, and anybody who does not believe it should
watch Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" on DVD.
--
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02 Sep 2004 06:12:16 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 13:52:17 GMT, (•R. Measures) wrote:
Jesus was fully man and fully God. The fully human part of Jesus felt
every nail, every
scourge, ever spear point, every beating, every moment of loneliness
before he died on the
cross.
• Damn right He did, Duke, and anybody who does not believe it should
watch Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" on DVD.
True to the Gospel, as the Pope said.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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02 Sep 2004 08:39:53 PM |
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In article <85afj0d2idb3gpr1euqgrbksco37kbuen6@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 13:52:17 GMT, (•R. Measures) wrote:
Jesus was fully man and fully God. The fully human part of Jesus felt
every nail, every
scourge, ever spear point, every beating, every moment of loneliness
before he died on the
cross.
• Damn right He did, Duke, and anybody who does not believe it should
watch Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" on DVD.
True to the Gospel, as the Pope said.
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| Title: Re: God killed Jesus for our sins. |
02 Sep 2004 10:49:24 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:<tfrdj0d8dha66jo7uq7teegasu8r6jbgic@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:05:27 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net> wrote:
God became man himself, in the person of Jesus, to die on the cross.
God became man (no big feat in itself) to die for our sins ( not that we
don't pay for our own sins) as though a human sacrifice is any sort of a
sacrifice for a GOD!
Jesus was fully man and fully God. The fully human part of Jesus felt every nail, every
scourge, ever spear point, every beating, every moment of loneliness before he died on the
cross.
So fucking what? He knew he was a god; how lonely or afraid do you
suppose a god can get?
wow. What a silly token, and then after all that "dying
for our sins" we still have the eternal hell fire waiting for us to ***** up
by using the free will given to us by the almighty. what a fucken mixed up
bag of phsycosis that is. Have I missed something?
Dusty
I don't think you could find it if it was in the palm of your hand.
Thanks for the help.
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