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"Truth Hunter" |
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29 Aug 2004 10:18:26 AM |
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God killed Jesus for our sins. |
God killed Jesus for our sins.
Do you honestly believe that Adam and Eve ate the fruit and the rest
of mankind was punished until God sent his son to be murdered by the
Romans so he could forgive us?
This God tossed man out of the garden of eden for eating the wrong
food group, stayed pissed at us for all this time, then somehow felt
he had to send his "son" down to be killed by the people he was
pissed at so he could forgive
them.
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| User: "Raktizer Omheit" |
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29 Aug 2004 10:46:09 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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God killed Jesus for our sins.
Do you honestly believe that Adam and Eve ate the fruit and the rest
of mankind was punished until God sent his son to be murdered by the
Romans so he could forgive us?
The Romans at the time of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ were pagans or
polytheists, and the supreme sky god of the pagan Roman pantheon was
Jupiter, also known as Deus [ Zeus for the pagan or polytheist Greeks ].
When the Romans later began to convert to Christianity, they began to call
the originally supreme God of the Jewish religion, called Yahweh, by the
Latin name of Deus. The Arabs when they converted to Islam, a religion that
grew out of the Prophet Muhammad's interpretation of the Jewish and
Christian religions, called the Hebrew God Yahweh by the Arabic name -
Allah.
The early converts to Christianity included the Jews as well as the pagan or
polytheist inhabitants of the Roman Empire. The Jews who converted to
Christianity in the early centuries of the A.D. era believed that Jesus
Christ when He was on earth was the God Yahweh Himself in the body of a man,
The Word of God made flesh [ see the Gospel of St. John, chapter 1, verses
1 - 5 ], whose coming had been prophesied in the Old Testament. Jesus Christ
Himself told His disciples that someday after His Ascension back into
heaven, that He would one day return again to earth as the Son of Man, or to
use the Greek term, as the Parousia. Although Jesus might have shared the
same genetic material as his earthly father, Joseph, this was not brought
about as the result of sexual reproduction, but as the result of a miracle,
because nothing is impossible with God [ see Mark 10 : 27 ].
Although the pagan Romans forbade the Jews from living within the city walls
of Jerusalem after they crushed a patriotic or nationalistic war of
independence launched by the Jews against their pagan Roman imperial masters
in 135 A.D., the pagan Romans did not forbid the Jews from living within the
other parts of the Roman province of Judea. In the early 300's A.D., the
Romans, now officially converted to Christianity, allowed the Jews to again
live within the city walls of Jerusalem. Many of the Jewish inhabitants of
the province of Judea converted to either Christianity or the Greco - Roman
pagan religion. When the Arab Muslims began to invade the then Christian
Byzantine or East Roman province of Judea from the 630's A.D. onwards, many
of the Christian inhabitants of Judea began to convert to Islam, in order to
avoid the higher poll tax levied on non - Muslims by the Arab Muslims. The
Roman Empire split into an eastern and a western half in 395 A.D., with the
western half collapsing by 476 A.D., and the eastern half collapsing by 1453
A.D. Since the first century A.D., until the reestablishment of the Jewish
state of Israel in 1948, a Jewish minority continued to live in the region
of Galilee.
Jesus Christ did tell His Apostles to preach the Christian Gospel to all the
nations of the world according to Matthew 28 : 18 - 20. But Jesus Christ
also taught in Matthew 7 : 12 and Luke 6 : 31 that we should do to others
what we would want them to do to us. Therefore, Jesus Christ would not have
sanctioned the use of force and violence in converting people to
Christianity.
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| User: "Milan Klima" |
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| Title: Re: God killed Jesus for our sins. |
31 Aug 2004 07:51:05 PM |
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"Raktizer Omheit" <cequka@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message news:<4132a303_1@news.iprimus.com.au>...
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0408290718.7ca8040e@posting.google.com...
God killed Jesus for our sins.
Do you honestly believe that Adam and Eve ate the fruit and the rest
of mankind was punished until God sent his son to be murdered by the
Romans so he could forgive us?
[snip]
Jesus Christ did tell His Apostles to preach the Christian Gospel to all the
nations of the world according to Matthew 28 : 18 - 20. But Jesus Christ
also taught in Matthew 7 : 12 and Luke 6 : 31 that we should do to others
what we would want them to do to us. Therefore, Jesus Christ would not have
sanctioned the use of force and violence in converting people to
Christianity.
Mark 6:11
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart
thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against
them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and
Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
regards
Milan
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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29 Aug 2004 11:07:09 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Raktizer Omheit:
Jesus Christ did tell His Apostles to preach the Christian Gospel to
all the nations of the world according to Matthew 28 : 18 - 20. But
Jesus Christ also taught in Matthew 7 : 12 and Luke 6 : 31 that we
should do to others what we would want them to do to us. Therefore,
Jesus Christ would not have sanctioned the use of force and violence
in converting people to Christianity.
I wish the Spanish Inquisition had been made aware of this.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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The whole foundation of Christianity is based on the idea that
intellectualism is the work of the Devil. Remember the apple on the tree?
Okay, it was the Tree of Knowledge. "You eat this apple, you're going to be
as smart as God. We can't have that."
[Frank Zappa]
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| User: "Milan Klima" |
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| Title: Re: God killed Jesus for our sins. |
31 Aug 2004 07:31:17 PM |
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(Truth Hunter) wrote in message news:<e164e783.0408290718.7ca8040e@posting.google.com>...
God killed Jesus for our sins.
Do you honestly believe that Adam and Eve ate the fruit and the rest
of mankind was punished until God sent his son to be murdered by the
Romans so he could forgive us?
This God tossed man out of the garden of eden for eating the wrong
food group, stayed pissed at us for all this time, then somehow felt
he had to send his "son" down to be killed by the people he was
pissed at so he could forgive
them.
No, I dont of course. And I always felt that as a literary plot was
rather lacking. Considering how much more fun and interesting Greek
myths were it is perhaps surprising that Christianity has been a
bestseller. But it is likely that the idea of this guy sent from above
to die for you is more cosy and comfortable than the adventures of
Zeus et al and the literary weaknesses are therefore overlooked.
regards
Milan
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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30 Aug 2004 03:01:40 AM |
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On 29 Aug 2004 08:18:26 -0700, (Truth Hunter)
wrote:
God killed Jesus for our sins.
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No-one killed anyone.
Now move along. Nothing to see here.
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| User: "ChuckPFb" |
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31 Aug 2004 12:55:29 PM |
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
On 29 Aug 2004 08:18:26 -0700, (Truth Hunter)
wrote:
God killed Jesus for our sins.
No-one killed anyone.
True. Jesus was only killed temporarily.
And since Jesus is God, we could call it a temporary suicide.
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| User: "Dusty" |
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31 Aug 2004 06:06:22 PM |
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"ChuckPFb" <nospam1@nospam2.com> wrote in message
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
On 29 Aug 2004 08:18:26 -0700, (Truth Hunter)
wrote:
God killed Jesus for our sins.
No-one killed anyone.
True. Jesus was only killed temporarily.
And since Jesus is God, we could call it a temporary suicide.
And since suicide is a sin, then god is not without sin.
Dusty
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| User: "duke" |
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02 Sep 2004 05:01:52 AM |
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On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:06:22 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net> wrote:
And since suicide is a sin, then god is not without sin.
Dusty
Now here one you never understood.
Suicide is something one does to avoid one's own traumas.
The greatest gift one man can give another man is to give one's life for the other.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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| User: "•R. Measures" |
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02 Sep 2004 07:38:54 AM |
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In article <qordj05ede4vn5rjr99bun5jmpulkpnr71@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:06:22 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net> wrote:
And since suicide is a sin, then god is not without sin.
Dusty
Now here one you never understood.
Suicide is something one does to avoid one's own traumas.
The greatest gift one man can give another man is to give one's life for
the other.
• On July 17, 1984, James Oliver Huberty was talked out of committing
suicide by a devout do-gooder. On July 18, 1984, Huberty went to a
McDonalds restraunt in San Ysidro, California and began shooting people.
Huberty killed 21 before he was shot dead by a police sniper with a .308
Winchester sniper rifle.
--
€ R. Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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| User: "duke" |
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02 Sep 2004 06:13:21 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:38:54 GMT, (•R. Measures) wrote:
The greatest gift one man can give another man is to give one's life for
the other.
• On July 17, 1984, James Oliver Huberty was talked out of committing
suicide by a devout do-gooder. On July 18, 1984, Huberty went to a
McDonalds restraunt in San Ysidro, California and began shooting people.
Huberty killed 21 before he was shot dead by a police sniper with a .308
Winchester sniper rifle.
???
Hitler's baby doctor is in the same boat.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "•R. Measures" |
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02 Sep 2004 08:35:57 PM |
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In article <h7afj055t425stjej2p6npc2pnrinhg3b3@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:38:54 GMT, (•R. Measures) wrote:
The greatest gift one man can give another man is to give one's life for
the other.
• On July 17, 1984, James Oliver Huberty was talked out of committing
suicide by a devout do-gooder. On July 18, 1984, Huberty went to a
McDonalds restraunt in San Ysidro, California and began shooting people.
Huberty killed 21 before he was shot dead by a police sniper with a .308
Winchester sniper rifle.
???
Hitler's baby doctor is in the same boat.
• ¿ ?
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| User: "JessHC" |
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02 Sep 2004 10:45:39 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:<qordj05ede4vn5rjr99bun5jmpulkpnr71@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:06:22 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net> wrote:
And since suicide is a sin, then god is not without sin.
Dusty
Now here one you never understood.
Another crushing argument from earl.
Suicide is something one does to avoid one's own traumas.
Embrace pain, no matter how incapacitating or terminal; god wants you to suffer.
The greatest gift one man can give another man is to give one's life for the other.
Favor us with your gift.
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| User: "duke" |
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29 Aug 2004 03:04:54 PM |
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On 29 Aug 2004 08:18:26 -0700, (Truth Hunter) wrote:
Do you honestly believe that Adam and Eve ate the fruit and the rest
of mankind was punished until God sent his son to be murdered by the
Romans so he could forgive us?
Oh, they ate the fruit alright, and thereby eliminated eternal salvation from their
future. But God became man in the person of Jesus to die on the cross for our redemption
from sin, and return of salvation to us.
He that taketh returneth.
Thanks you Lord.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "BMR" |
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30 Aug 2004 09:26:42 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:ajd4j0dkt4eh2r89565aamaripf7knr66e@4ax.com...
Oh, they ate the fruit alright, and thereby eliminated eternal salvation
from their
future. But God became man in the person of Jesus to die on the cross for
our redemption
from sin, and return of salvation to us.
He that taketh returneth.
Thanks you Lord.
I might suggest you a good psychiatrist. Unless you were here for kidding,
you look totally unable to see the lack of consequentiality between evident
didascalic fables; and, what's worse, you come here to preach sermons unto
people who are instantly able to match it, then you have the presumption to
say that "infidels" are misguided (perhaps by the devil?) 'cause they cannot
fathom the mind of "god", that is the same "divine mind" which your mentors
declared unfathomable?
This isn't just a scandalous pretense: this is to be seriously sick 'til
root. And I'm very afraid to match that such an attitude is shared by the
majority of human beings outta here in this unfortunate planet; then, don't
you seek elsewhere for the origin of evils, 'cause it smacks in your face
since two millenia.
I know, a shared paranoia might be meant as "normality", but I guess people
like you might be keen to anything, when frustration gets over the bounds.
Yes, you seriously need a good psychiatrist; I suggest it friendly, without
any wit.
--
B. Catalano
www.alexamenos.com
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| User: "duke" |
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31 Aug 2004 05:43:24 PM |
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:26:42 GMT, "BMR" <blocktrap@alexamenos.com> wrote:
I might suggest you a good psychiatrist. Unless you were here for kidding,
you look totally unable to see the lack of consequentiality between evident
didascalic fables;
Your problem is that you dream you see fables. I see reality.
and, what's worse, you come here to preach sermons unto
people who are instantly able to match it, then you have the presumption to
say that "infidels" are misguided (perhaps by the devil?) 'cause they cannot
fathom the mind of "god", that is the same "divine mind" which your mentors
declared unfathomable?
Nope, I don't sermonize. I discuss.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "duke" |
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01 Sep 2004 05:32:13 PM |
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:26:42 GMT, "BMR" <blocktrap@alexamenos.com> wrote:
I might suggest you a good psychiatrist. Unless you were here for kidding,
you look totally unable to see the lack of consequentiality between evident
didascalic fables;
Your problem is that you dream you see fables. I see reality.
and, what's worse, you come here to preach sermons unto
people who are instantly able to match it, then you have the presumption to
say that "infidels" are misguided (perhaps by the devil?) 'cause they cannot
fathom the mind of "god", that is the same "divine mind" which your mentors
declared unfathomable?
Nope, I don't sermonize. I discuss.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "JessHC" |
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02 Sep 2004 08:47:49 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:<1fjcj0pjvqner367cmjb0983ukhpdaugjg@4ax.com>...
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:26:42 GMT, "BMR" <blocktrap@alexamenos.com> wrote:
I might suggest you a good psychiatrist. Unless you were here for kidding,
you look totally unable to see the lack of consequentiality between evident
didascalic fables;
Your problem is that you dream you see fables. I see reality.
When? After you refill your prescription?
and, what's worse, you come here to preach sermons unto
people who are instantly able to match it, then you have the presumption to
say that "infidels" are misguided (perhaps by the devil?) 'cause they cannot
fathom the mind of "god", that is the same "divine mind" which your mentors
declared unfathomable?
Nope, I don't sermonize. I discuss.
"You've got a one-way ticket on the downtown train unless you repent"
and "The evidence for God is everywhere, so I believe" are sermons,
not discussions. Of course, you also resort to lies and lame
insults, which, to be fair, are a *little* closer to a discussion.
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| User: "duke" |
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01 Sep 2004 05:30:54 PM |
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:26:42 GMT, "BMR" <blocktrap@alexamenos.com> wrote:
Oh, they ate the fruit alright, and thereby eliminated eternal salvation
from their
future. But God became man in the person of Jesus to die on the cross for
our redemption
from sin, and return of salvation to us.
He that taketh returneth.
Thanks you Lord.
I might suggest you a good psychiatrist. Unless you were here for kidding,
you look totally unable to see the lack of consequentiality between evident
didascalic fables; and, what's worse, you come here to preach sermons unto
people who are instantly able to match it, then you have the presumption to
say that "infidels" are misguided (perhaps by the devil?) 'cause they cannot
fathom the mind of "god", that is the same "divine mind" which your mentors
declared unfathomable?
I don't need a psychiatrist. I quote the professions of the Christian Church.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "John Baker" |
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01 Sep 2004 05:35:48 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:q9jcj0da0gcgq6448sqgt92dq1u1t6ogjr@4ax.com...
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:26:42 GMT, "BMR" <blocktrap@alexamenos.com> wrote:
Oh, they ate the fruit alright, and thereby eliminated eternal salvation
from their
future. But God became man in the person of Jesus to die on the cross
for
our redemption
from sin, and return of salvation to us.
He that taketh returneth.
Thanks you Lord.
I might suggest you a good psychiatrist. Unless you were here for kidding,
you look totally unable to see the lack of consequentiality between
evident
didascalic fables; and, what's worse, you come here to preach sermons unto
people who are instantly able to match it, then you have the presumption
to
say that "infidels" are misguided (perhaps by the devil?) 'cause they
cannot
fathom the mind of "god", that is the same "divine mind" which your
mentors
declared unfathomable?
I don't need a psychiatrist.
That is most definitely debatable.
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| User: "duke" |
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02 Sep 2004 06:08:29 PM |
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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 22:35:48 GMT, "John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
I don't need a psychiatrist.
That is most definitely debatable.
Gosh, is that were the case, I'd have thought you'd bring something up.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "JessHC" |
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03 Sep 2004 09:01:12 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:<vt9fj0l4fm0ge1hnlfeh4vico2qkaqmo29@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 22:35:48 GMT, "John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
I don't need a psychiatrist.
That is most definitely debatable.
Gosh, is that were the case, I'd have thought you'd bring something up.
You need to see a doctor for these blackouts you keep having. Or stop drinking.
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02 Sep 2004 09:04:30 AM |
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"puke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
I don't need a psychiatrist. I quote the professions of the Christian Church.
Precisely. There's not a single original thought in your parrot brain.
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02 Sep 2004 06:09:01 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:04:30 GMT, "ChuckPFb" <nospam1@nospam2.com> wrote:
"puke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
I don't need a psychiatrist. I quote the professions of the Christian Church.
Precisely. There's not a single original thought in your parrot brain.
No sign of intelligence in this dude.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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03 Sep 2004 09:00:17 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:<tv9fj0lpbm0jj9ma3bm6ipgeu8hm3eavte@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:04:30 GMT, "ChuckPFb" <nospam1@nospam2.com> wrote:
"puke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
I don't need a psychiatrist. I quote the professions of the Christian Church.
Precisely. There's not a single original thought in your parrot brain.
No sign of intelligence in this dude.
Nobody expects a parrot to recognize intelligence.
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| User: "Dusty" |
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30 Aug 2004 06:12:51 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ajd4j0dkt4eh2r89565aamaripf7knr66e@4ax.com...
On 29 Aug 2004 08:18:26 -0700, (Truth Hunter) wrote:
Do you honestly believe that Adam and Eve ate the fruit and the rest
of mankind was punished until God sent his son to be murdered by the
Romans so he could forgive us?
Oh, they ate the fruit alright, and thereby eliminated eternal salvation
from their
future.
So the all just one in heaven blames all of mankind for the sins of Adam and
Eve?
But God became man in the person of Jesus to die on the cross for our
redemption
from sin, and return of salvation to us.
In other words, God couldn't forgive us for the sins of someone else unless
he received a blood sacrifice of his own making.
He that taketh returneth.
How redundant.
thank you for confirming what the original poster pointed out.
Thanks you Lord.
No thanks you.
Dusty
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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31 Aug 2004 05:46:13 PM |
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:12:51 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net> wrote:
Do you honestly believe that Adam and Eve ate the fruit and the rest
of mankind was punished until God sent his son to be murdered by the
Romans so he could forgive us?
Oh, they ate the fruit alright, and thereby eliminated eternal salvation
from their future.
So the all just one in heaven blames all of mankind for the sins of Adam and
Eve?
Only when we imitate A&E. Our salvation is oh so so easy to reclaim.
But God became man in the person of Jesus to die on the cross for our
redemption
from sin, and return of salvation to us.
In other words, God couldn't forgive us for the sins of someone else unless
he received a blood sacrifice of his own making.
God became man himself, in the person of Jesus, to die on the cross.
Thank you Lord.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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31 Aug 2004 07:19:20 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:12:51 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net> wrote:
So the all just one in heaven blames all of mankind for the sins of Adam and
Eve?
Only when we imitate A&E. Our salvation is oh so so easy to reclaim.
Yes, all one need do is join the RCC and eat a God cookie at least every
week, also contribute 10% of your income to the RCC and you should be
in good shape.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: God killed Jesus for our sins. |
02 Sep 2004 04:59:31 AM |
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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:19:20 GMT, "ChuckPFb" <nospam1@nospam2.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:12:51 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net> wrote:
So the all just one in heaven blames all of mankind for the sins of Adam and
Eve?
Only when we imitate A&E. Our salvation is oh so so easy to reclaim.
Yes, all one need do is join the RCC and eat a God cookie at least every
week, also contribute 10% of your income to the RCC and you should be
in good shape.
Nope, all you have to do is say a heart-felt "Thank you Jesus".
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: God killed Jesus for our sins. |
03 Sep 2004 06:48:06 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:19:20 GMT, "ChuckPFb" <nospam1@nospam2.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:12:51 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net>
wrote:
So the all just one in heaven blames all of mankind for the sins of
Adam and
Eve?
Only when we imitate A&E. Our salvation is oh so so easy to reclaim.
Yes, all one need do is join the RCC and eat a God cookie at least every
week, also contribute 10% of your income to the RCC and you should be
in good shape.
Nope, all you have to do is say a heart-felt "Thank you Jesus".
Ah, so that's all there is to "Taking responsibility for your actions"? Wow!
We should contact the criminal Justice system right away and tell them we
don't need those pesky courts and stuff anymore, all we have to do is just
have the perpetrator say "Thank you Jesus" and forgive him. After all, if
it's good enough for god, then surely it's good enough for us, right?
Yeah, I can see plummeting crime stats right now! Suuuure.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Shazzabazz" |
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| Title: Re: God killed Jesus for our sins. |
04 Sep 2004 12:32:00 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:19:20 GMT, "ChuckPFb" <nospam1@nospam2.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:12:51 -0400, "Dusty" <Nothere@tbaytel.net>
wrote:
So the all just one in heaven blames all of mankind for the sins of
Adam and
Eve?
Only when we imitate A&E. Our salvation is oh so so easy to reclaim.
Yes, all one need do is join the RCC and eat a God cookie at least every
week, also contribute 10% of your income to the RCC and you should be
in good shape.
Nope, all you have to do is say a heart-felt "Thank you Jesus".
Ah, so that's all there is to "Taking responsibility for your actions"? Wow!
We should contact the criminal Justice system right away and tell them we
don't need those pesky courts and stuff anymore, all we have to do is just
have the perpetrator say "Thank you Jesus" and forgive him. After all, if
it's good enough for god, then surely it's good enough for us, right?
Yeah, I can see plummeting crime stats right now! Suuuure.
You seem to be confusing the issue, but ironically, your sarcastic
statement is right! If all of society said a heartfelt "thank you,
Jesus", crime would indeed disappear.
The only effective way to fight crime is to promote goodness. It largely
works - the vast majority of people don't commit crimes, not because
they fear punishment, but because they choose to be law abiding people.
Sadly, a small minority don't, so courts and jails and police are
necessary.
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