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"dearcilla" |
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11 Dec 2005 12:35:32 PM |
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God loves you... |
....Even if you don't know s/he exists.
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| User: "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrichs effort" |
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13 Dec 2005 10:37:16 AM |
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Pies de Arcilla wrote:
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
You can pray even if you are an atheist, you know.
I pray that you go away.
Well, I'm still here. So either God doesn't exist, or she said 'no'.
Guess which is more parsimonious.
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| User: "Pies de Arcilla" |
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14 Dec 2005 09:15:27 PM |
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JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Pies de Arcilla wrote:
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
You can pray even if you are an atheist, you know.
I pray that you go away.
Well, I'm still here. So either God doesn't exist, or she said 'no'.
Guess which is more parsimonious.
People can differ about which interpretation of reality is more
parsimonious. For example, the "many-worlds" interpretation of quantum
mechanics seems to me more parsimonious than the Copenhagen
interpretation. That's probably because I'm weird, have read a lot of
alternate history science fiction, and also because I am almost as
ignorant of physics as I am of God. But I do feel that which
interpretation one chooses matters, for some reason I can't quite
explain.
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| User: "Del" |
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11 Dec 2005 06:30:38 PM |
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dearcilla wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"dearcilla" <dearcilla@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134326132.749892.217280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
...Even if you don't know s/he exists.
Even if it does, how do you know it loves you?
Experience.
A tangible or verifiable experience? Or is it just a warm feeling of
contentment (or other manufacturable feeling that we associate with
love)?
Love and happiness are _not_ commodities.
So you know god exists because you are happy all the time.
You can't manufacture them,
and you can't pay for them. I've tried, and I see others try, but it's
futile.
Your reply is a bit unresponsive to the question put to you.
God's love is kind of like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I
actually have compar ed the two).
But we should take your word anyway.
Does it have to? Have you decreed that it does, and therefore it must?
No, God doesn't have to love us. God just does, and I can't do anything
about it.
Any evidence?
Everything good and pleasurable is evidence of God's love to me, at
least when I'm in a believing mood.
And when you're not?
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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11 Dec 2005 03:32:55 PM |
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dearcilla wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"dearcilla" <dearcilla@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134326132.749892.217280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
...Even if you don't know s/he exists.
Even if it does, how do you know it loves you?
Experience.
A tangible or verifiable experience? Or is it just a warm feeling of
contentment (or other manufacturable feeling that we associate with
love)?
Love and happiness are _not_ commodities. You can't manufacture them,
and you can't pay for them. I've tried, and I see others try, but it's
futile.
You can put yourself in the proper mental state to manufacture these
feelings. (I'm not saying in a factory.)
God's love is kind of like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I
actually have compared the two).
Silly to make a comparison when you don't have the experience.
Does it have to? Have you decreed that it does, and therefore it must?
No, God doesn't have to love us. God just does, and I can't do anything
about it.
Any evidence?
Everything good and pleasurable is evidence of God's love to me, at
least when I'm in a believing mood.
Evidence does not depend on mood. You're enhancing artifacts with
wishful thinking.
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| User: "dearcilla" |
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11 Dec 2005 03:52:38 PM |
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Chris Johnson wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
God's love is kind of like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I
actually have compared the two).
Silly to make a comparison when you don't have the experience.
It's called faith, you bozo.
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| User: "Del" |
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11 Dec 2005 06:42:57 PM |
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dearcilla wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
God's love is kind of like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I
actually have compared the two).
Silly to make a comparison when you don't have the experience.
It's called faith, you bozo.
Actually it is called false witnessing. Review Commandment 9.
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| User: "dearcilla" |
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11 Dec 2005 06:48:41 PM |
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Del wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
God's love is kind of like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I
actually have compared the two).
Silly to make a comparison when you don't have the experience.
It's called faith, you bozo.
Actually it is called false witnessing. Review Commandment 9.
I think you have misunderstood me in multiple ways. First, I did not
say I was a Jew or a Christian (today anyway), so what are the ten
commandments to me?
Secondly, while my conclusion may be founded on insufficient evidence,
it is not a lie, since I believe it to be true, based on the evidence
available to me.
I was being quite serious, too, in case you think I'm trolling. I was
comparing a published description of a high from cocaine with my
firsthand experience of religious euphoria.
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| User: "Mephisto" |
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11 Dec 2005 09:00:36 PM |
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On 11 Dec 2005 16:48:41 -0800, "dearcilla" <dearcilla@gmail.com>
wrote:
Del wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
God's love is kind of like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I
actually have compared the two).
Silly to make a comparison when you don't have the experience.
It's called faith, you bozo.
Actually it is called false witnessing. Review Commandment 9.
I think you have misunderstood me in multiple ways. First, I did not
say I was a Jew or a Christian (today anyway), so what are the ten
commandments to me?
Secondly, while my conclusion may be founded on insufficient evidence,
it is not a lie, since I believe it to be true, based on the evidence
available to me.
Your belief does not make it true. The facts are not altered simply
because you have decided to abandon rational thought in favour of
ancient mythology.
I was being quite serious, too, in case you think I'm trolling. I was
comparing a published description of a high from cocaine with my
firsthand experience of religious euphoria.
The obvious conclusion from that experience is that your euphoria was
a result of a change in brain chemistry, possibly caused by some form
of external stimulus (hypnotic sounds or sights). I find it utterly
bizarre that anyone could translate that experience into 'a big
invisible entity in the sky just paid me a visit and injected
something into my head that made me happy'.There are only two places
where people talk like that - churches and mental hospitals.
You can't know what it's like to take a drug unless you take it.
Written descriptions are pretty pointless. I suggest you get hold of
some finest Colombian and get snorting.
Mephisto
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| User: "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrichs effort" |
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12 Dec 2005 03:00:58 PM |
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dearcilla wrote:
Del wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
God's love is kind of like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I
actually have compared the two).
Silly to make a comparison when you don't have the experience.
It's called faith, you bozo.
Actually it is called false witnessing. Review Commandment 9.
I think you have misunderstood me in multiple ways. First, I did not
say I was a Jew or a Christian (today anyway), so what are the ten
commandments to me?
Doesn't matter. Lying is lying. You claimed "God's love is kind of
like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I actually have compared the
two)." Therefore, you don't know for a fact that "God's love is kind
of like crack cocaine, only better."
Secondly, while my conclusion may be founded on insufficient evidence,
it is not a lie, since I believe it to be true, based on the evidence
available to me.
So you're not lying, you're just stupid and wrong?
I was being quite serious, too, in case you think I'm trolling. I was
comparing a published description of a high from cocaine with my
firsthand experience of religious euphoria.
Try comparing your experience to a published description of temporal
lobe epilepsy. Or schizophrenia.
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| User: "Pies de Arcilla" |
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12 Dec 2005 05:58:17 PM |
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JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
Del wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
God's love is kind of like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I
actually have compared the two).
Silly to make a comparison when you don't have the experience.
It's called faith, you bozo.
Actually it is called false witnessing. Review Commandment 9.
I think you have misunderstood me in multiple ways. First, I did not
say I was a Jew or a Christian (today anyway), so what are the ten
commandments to me?
Doesn't matter. Lying is lying. You claimed "God's love is kind of
like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I actually have compared the
two)." Therefore, you don't know for a fact that "God's love is kind
of like crack cocaine, only better."
Australia is south of the equator (Not that I have actually been there)
^
LOOK, LOOK, ANOTHER LIE!!!
Secondly, while my conclusion may be founded on insufficient evidence,
it is not a lie, since I believe it to be true, based on the evidence
available to me.
So you're not lying, you're just stupid and wrong?
Stupid and right.
I was being quite serious, too, in case you think I'm trolling. I was
comparing a published description of a high from cocaine with my
firsthand experience of religious euphoria.
Try comparing your experience to a published description of temporal
lobe epilepsy. Or schizophrenia.
Indeed. And you think that God doesn't cause the ravings of
schizophrenics only because you think God doesn't exist. But you're
wrong.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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13 Dec 2005 08:11:25 AM |
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"Pies de Arcilla" <dearcilla@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Indeed. And you think that God doesn't cause the ravings of
schizophrenics only because you think God doesn't exist. But you're
wrong.
And you know this how? Got evidence?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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13 Dec 2005 08:11:04 AM |
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"Pies de Arcilla" <dearcilla@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134431897.099104.226510@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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Indeed. And you think that God doesn't cause the ravings of
schizophrenics only because you think God doesn't exist. But you're
wrong.
And you know this how? Got evidence?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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13 Dec 2005 08:44:50 AM |
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Pies de Arcilla wrote:
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
Del wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
God's love is kind of like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I
actually have compared the two).
Silly to make a comparison when you don't have the experience.
It's called faith, you bozo.
Actually it is called false witnessing. Review Commandment 9.
I think you have misunderstood me in multiple ways. First, I did not
say I was a Jew or a Christian (today anyway), so what are the ten
commandments to me?
Doesn't matter. Lying is lying. You claimed "God's love is kind of
like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I actually have compared the
two)." Therefore, you don't know for a fact that "God's love is kind
of like crack cocaine, only better."
Australia is south of the equator (Not that I have actually been there)
^
LOOK, LOOK, ANOTHER LIE!!!
I understand you're defensive (and it would seem a touch bitter), but
try to use valid analogies. There's a little bit of a difference
between making a comparison between two subjective experiences and
citing a fact when you don't have any direct experience with either.
Secondly, while my conclusion may be founded on insufficient evidence,
it is not a lie, since I believe it to be true, based on the evidence
available to me.
So you're not lying, you're just stupid and wrong?
Stupid and right.
I was being quite serious, too, in case you think I'm trolling. I was
comparing a published description of a high from cocaine with my
firsthand experience of religious euphoria.
Try comparing your experience to a published description of temporal
lobe epilepsy. Or schizophrenia.
Indeed. And you think that God doesn't cause the ravings of
schizophrenics only because you think God doesn't exist. But you're
wrong.
And raving is the gift of a loving god? Can you see how we find your
statements inconsistent?
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| User: "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrichs effort" |
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13 Dec 2005 10:34:07 AM |
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Pies de Arcilla wrote:
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
Del wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
God's love is kind of like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I
actually have compared the two).
Silly to make a comparison when you don't have the experience.
It's called faith, you bozo.
Actually it is called false witnessing. Review Commandment 9.
I think you have misunderstood me in multiple ways. First, I did not
say I was a Jew or a Christian (today anyway), so what are the ten
commandments to me?
Doesn't matter. Lying is lying. You claimed "God's love is kind of
like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I actually have compared the
two)." Therefore, you don't know for a fact that "God's love is kind
of like crack cocaine, only better."
Australia is south of the equator (Not that I have actually been there)
^
LOOK, LOOK, ANOTHER LIE!!!
LOOK, LOOK, ANOTHER IDIOT!
Secondly, while my conclusion may be founded on insufficient evidence,
it is not a lie, since I believe it to be true, based on the evidence
available to me.
So you're not lying, you're just stupid and wrong?
Stupid and right.
Prove it, *****.
I was being quite serious, too, in case you think I'm trolling. I was
comparing a published description of a high from cocaine with my
firsthand experience of religious euphoria.
Try comparing your experience to a published description of temporal
lobe epilepsy. Or schizophrenia.
Indeed. And you think that God doesn't cause the ravings of
schizophrenics only because you think God doesn't exist. But you're
wrong.
Brilliant. It isn't a malfunction that causes insanity, it's god.
That explains why you aren't taking your medication.
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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11 Dec 2005 04:29:39 PM |
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dearcilla wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
God's love is kind of like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I
actually have compared the two).
Silly to make a comparison when you don't have the experience.
It's called faith, you bozo.
You'll have to forgive me for saying so, but that's fucking stupid. You
make something up and assume or, in your words, have "faith" that it's
true? What are the odds that something you pull out of your ***** is
anywhere near accurate? I suppose you have "faith" that anything you
fabricate came from god?
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| User: "dearcilla" |
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11 Dec 2005 05:30:43 PM |
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Chris Johnson wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
God's love is kind of like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I
actually have compared the two).
Silly to make a comparison when you don't have the experience.
It's called faith, you bozo.
You'll have to forgive me for saying so, but that's fucking stupid. You
make something up and assume or, in your words, have "faith" that it's
I didn't make anything up. I read a book on cocaine, which described
how pleasurable it is to take it, and am basing my conclusion on that.
If you would like to do a proper experiment, be my guest. But I'm not
buying you the crack. Or telling you _how_ to find God. Because I'm no
expert on that. I'm just saying it's fun when you do.
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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11 Dec 2005 03:31:59 PM |
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dearcilla wrote:
God's love is kind of like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I
actually have compared the two).
I think our new friend deserves a nomination for theist quote of the
month...any seconds?
Jim
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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11 Dec 2005 03:34:42 PM |
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J Forbes wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
God's love is kind of like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I
actually have compared the two).
I think our new friend deserves a nomination for theist quote of the
month...any seconds?
Sure. Seconded.
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13 Dec 2005 05:23:52 AM |
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In article <1134336881.953958.28510@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"Chris Johnson" <effigies@gmail.com> wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
God's love is kind of like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I
actually have compared the two).
I think our new friend deserves a nomination for theist quote of the
month...any seconds?
Sure. Seconded.
Recorded.
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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11 Dec 2005 08:18:49 PM |
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On 11 Dec 2005 13:31:59 -0800, "J Forbes" <jforbspam@fastmail.fm>
wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
God's love is kind of like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I
actually have compared the two).
I think our new friend deserves a nomination for theist quote of the
month...any seconds?
Jim
Now this quote is so utterly stupid that it quite simply cannot be
real.
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12 Dec 2005 12:26:58 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:31:59 -0600, J Forbes wrote
(in article <1134336719.160012.183220@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>):
dearcilla wrote:
God's love is kind of like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I
actually have compared the two).
I think our new friend deserves a nomination for theist quote of the
month...any seconds?
Jim
Trying to hard.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
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| User: "Pies de Arcilla" |
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12 Dec 2005 09:47:27 PM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:26:58 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:31:59 -0600, J Forbes wrote
(in article <1134336719.160012.183220@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>):
dearcilla wrote:
God's love is kind of like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I
actually have compared the two).
I think our new friend deserves a nomination for theist quote of the
month...any seconds?
Jim
Trying to hard.
And trolls are not allowed.
I was not trolling, and I didn't claim to be god either, though
somebody called me one. You people are casting all sorts of unwarranted
aspersions in my general direction. Is that considered polite behavior
among atheists?
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13 Dec 2005 02:07:02 AM |
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On 12 Dec 2005 19:47:27 -0800, "Pies de Arcilla" <dearcilla@gmail.com>
wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:26:58 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:31:59 -0600, J Forbes wrote
(in article <1134336719.160012.183220@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>):
dearcilla wrote:
God's love is kind of like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I
actually have compared the two).
I think our new friend deserves a nomination for theist quote of the
month...any seconds?
Jim
Trying to hard.
And trolls are not allowed.
I was not trolling, and I didn't claim to be god either, though
somebody called me one. You people are casting all sorts of unwarranted
aspersions in my general direction. Is that considered polite behavior
among atheists?
Yep.
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12 Dec 2005 08:43:23 PM |
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:26:58 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:31:59 -0600, J Forbes wrote
(in article <1134336719.160012.183220@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>):
dearcilla wrote:
God's love is kind of like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I
actually have compared the two).
I think our new friend deserves a nomination for theist quote of the
month...any seconds?
Jim
Trying to hard.
And trolls are not allowed.
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13 Dec 2005 11:24:43 AM |
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Pies de Arcilla wrote:
I was not trolling, and I didn't claim to be god either, though somebody called
me one. You people are casting all sorts of unwarranted aspersions in my
general direction. Is that considered polite behavior among atheists?
Why do you ask? You've already demonstrated polite behavior isn't
something that concerns you.
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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12 Dec 2005 11:30:00 PM |
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Pies de Arcilla wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:26:58 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:31:59 -0600, J Forbes wrote
(in article <1134336719.160012.183220@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>):
dearcilla wrote:
God's love is kind of like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I
actually have compared the two).
I think our new friend deserves a nomination for theist quote of the
month...any seconds?
Jim
Trying to hard.
And trolls are not allowed.
I was not trolling,
From the jargon file:
troll
1. v.,n. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting
on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; [...]
It's difficult to see how making a theistic post to an atheistic
newsgroup, especially one so utterly devoid of argument (as was your
initial post), could be considered anything but trolling.
We here at alt.atheism will often try to engage trolls and
proselytizers in discussions. This is mostly for fun, since few theists
that come are prepared to engage in a serious debate and consider our
arguments.
Now you have displayed a couple tendencies that are very much common to
trolls. As noted above, you went on an atheist forum and made a
theistic post. Not that we all necessarily mind theists, but we don't
like being preached at. You have made unfounded assertions and refused
to admit them as such when they were pointed out.
God's love is kind of like crack cocaine, only better. (Not that I
actually have compared the two).
You have refused to admit holes in your argument, hiding behind the
rough equivalent of "God works in mysterious ways".
In short, you have acted much like the many theists that come here,
expecting to dazzle us with their arguments, and were completely
unprepared to defend them. We call these people trolls.
Now perhaps you acted in ignorance. Perhaps you didn't know that we've
seen your kind (yes, even the non-religious monotheists that don't
subscribe to any particular dogma) before, and that this was unwelcome.
Here's a hint: when going to a new online community, check for a FAQ
<http://alt-atheism.org/library/articles/article_view.php?c=&id=1>.
If you'd like to hang around and take part in discussions, your
perspective will probably be welcome. But proselytizing and making
unfounded arguments will be seen as trolling and you will be treated
accordingly.
and I didn't claim to be god either, though
somebody called me one. You people are casting all sorts of unwarranted
aspersions in my general direction. Is that considered polite behavior
among atheists?
Not atheists in general. But here on alt.atheism we get theist morons
constantly. We even have some resident theist trolls (duke, J Young,
words of truth, shadow, among others). When someone new comes along and
acts a lot like them, we're likely to treat them the same.
That said, I don't know why anybody called you a god. That sounds like
something some of the theists that think we're idol worshippers would
say.
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| User: "Del" |
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| Title: Re: God loves you... |
11 Dec 2005 02:27:41 PM |
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dearcilla wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"dearcilla" <dearcilla@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134326132.749892.217280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
...Even if you don't know s/he exists.
Even if it does, how do you know it loves you?
Experience.
Children who die painful deaths despite their prayers to your god
have a different experience which more than cancels out yours.
Try again.
Does it have to? Have you decreed that it does, and therefore it must?
No, God doesn't have to love us. God just does, and I can't do anything
about it.
Well he seems to love some more than others. Some he doesn't
seem to like much at all. There is not the consistency to it that
you imply--*if* you wish to determne such things by "experience"
--as you seem to do. How do you explain this obvious inconsistency?
If experience tells you god loves you, why should that count when
other peoples experience tell them the opposite?
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| User: "dearcilla" |
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| Title: Re: God loves you... |
11 Dec 2005 03:19:02 PM |
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Del wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"dearcilla" <dearcilla@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134326132.749892.217280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
...Even if you don't know s/he exists.
Even if it does, how do you know it loves you?
Experience.
Children who die painful deaths despite their prayers to your god
have a different experience which more than cancels out yours.
Try again.
"cancels out" is a null phrase, as far as I am concerned. I don't
understand how an experience can be cancelled out.
You seem to believe in some sort of principle that bad things always
beat good things, sort of like scissors, paper, rock rules of
precedence. But the world is full of both at the same time.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: God loves you... |
11 Dec 2005 04:46:19 PM |
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"dearcilla" <dearcilla@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134335942.345314.205790@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Del wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"dearcilla" <dearcilla@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134326132.749892.217280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
...Even if you don't know s/he exists.
Even if it does, how do you know it loves you?
Experience.
Children who die painful deaths despite their prayers to your god
have a different experience which more than cancels out yours.
Try again.
"cancels out" is a null phrase, as far as I am concerned. I don't
understand how an experience can be cancelled out.
It cancels out the claim that the god loves everyone.
You seem to believe in some sort of principle that bad things always
beat good things, sort of like scissors, paper, rock rules of
precedence. But the world is full of both at the same time.
Well, the claim is that god loves you (and everyone, by extension), and that
you can tell by "experience". Since not all people have that "experience",
it is clear that the claim is false.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "dearcilla" |
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| Title: Re: God loves you... |
11 Dec 2005 05:17:17 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"dearcilla" <dearcilla@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134335942.345314.205790@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Del wrote:
dearcilla wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"dearcilla" <dearcilla@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134326132.749892.217280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
...Even if you don't know s/he exists.
Even if it does, how do you know it loves you?
Experience.
Children who die painful deaths despite their prayers to your god
have a different experience which more than cancels out yours.
Try again.
"cancels out" is a null phrase, as far as I am concerned. I don't
understand how an experience can be cancelled out.
It cancels out the claim that the god loves everyone.
You seem to believe in some sort of principle that bad things always
beat good things, sort of like scissors, paper, rock rules of
precedence. But the world is full of both at the same time.
Well, the claim is that god loves you (and everyone, by extension), and that
you can tell by "experience". Since not all people have that "experience",
it is clear that the claim is false.
If you are an atheist, you claim, by definition, not to have
experienced God. So you can't have experienced God _not_ loving you. So
you don't know that my claim is false.
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