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"Randy Story" |
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07 Jan 2005 05:27:33 PM |
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God not to blame! |
Will you atheists get off your bandwagon about how if there is a God he
is directly responsible for this tsuamni. Certainly as a Christian I
believed he allowed it just as he allows illness or accidents. These are a
direct result of a fallen world that is in turmoil. The physical laws that
are currently in motion account for most natural calamity. The motion itself
is not evil, it is just the relationship between this motion and people that
results in calamity. Take a tornado, the result of warm fronts colliding
with cold fronts. These fronts in themselves are a good thing, without them
we might not have proper rain or seasons, but when they collide near a
population we call the result of this collision evil. It is the same with
many accidents, alcohol is a good thing but put to much in a driver and
calamity may occur, again God allows us to destroy ourselves if we desire.
The real question that should be asked is1. why does he allow evil to
occur and 2. why so much & 3. Are there good reasons to allow evil.
I will give one answer to each for you to flame, there are many more.
1. *Allowing* evil is the only why to test the character of humanity.
2. The present evil is the least possible to test that character.
3. One good reason is act virtuous, it is impossible to have courage except
in the face of danger. it is impossible to have mercy except when confronted
with need. In other words God allows evil that we may become like him.
The final point to keep in mind is that death & suffering are part of a
short term plan compared to the rest of time. According to Christian
doctrine *all* will be raised to life in the ressurection. Some to heaven,
some to hell, each in accordance with their freewill choice in life.
Since Christ died for *all* mankind all will be saved except those that have
made a conscious choice to reject him.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: God not to blame! |
10 Jan 2005 10:26:25 AM |
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On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:58:00 -0800, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
wrote:
"Al Klein" <CellPhones@optonline.com> wrote in message
news:g8eut0dgjpmtovqte2oq6evuadj4h51v8f@4ax.com...
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:38:03 -0800, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Death is only final for you, If you read the whole post you would see
that
final end.
No, according to your post, we're all already saved. Don't you read
what you write? Or are you just parroting what you've been taught?
You did not read. You are saved until you deny, atheist do not accept Christ
as God, this is denial.
It's called 'reality,' 'Randy,' something completely foreign to you.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: God not to blame! |
10 Jan 2005 10:24:51 AM |
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On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:58:00 -0800, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
wrote:
"Al Klein" <CellPhones@optonline.com> wrote in message
news:g8eut0dgjpmtovqte2oq6evuadj4h51v8f@4ax.com...
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:38:03 -0800, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Death is only final for you, If you read the whole post you would see
that
final end.
No, according to your post, we're all already saved. Don't you read
what you write? Or are you just parroting what you've been taught?
You did not read. You are saved until you deny, atheist do not accept Christ
as God, this is denial.
Of course! Unsupported assertions and terminal drivel (both
catagories Christianity is in) can be immediately dismissed. That it
gets your panties in a twist is your personal problem. 'Jesus' tells
you what to do in this situation.
1 Thessalonians 5 (KJV)
16 Rejoice evermore.
17 Pray without ceasing.
18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God
in Christ Jesus concerning you.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: God not to blame! |
08 Jan 2005 06:53:05 PM |
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On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:58:00 -0800, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
wrote:
No, according to your post, we're all already saved. Don't you read
what you write? Or are you just parroting what you've been taught?
You did not read. You are saved until you deny, atheist do not accept Christ
as God, this is denial.
Wrong. Back to Sunday skool, l'lle Randy. All non xtians are per
defiition not saved.
Try again.
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 Jan 2005 10:31:36 AM |
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 07:53:05 +0700, Jos Flachs
<"wcruise"@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:58:00 -0800, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
wrote:
No, according to your post, we're all already saved. Don't you read
what you write? Or are you just parroting what you've been taught?
You did not read. You are saved until you deny, atheist do not accept Christ
as God, this is denial.
Wrong. Back to Sunday skool, l'lle Randy. All non xtians are per
defiition not saved.
And all Xtians are unsaved, but the moron is unconcerned about that.
Try again.
No no no. Don't encourage the brain dead.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Levy Oates" |
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08 Jan 2005 12:11:13 PM |
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On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:58:00 -0800, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
You did not read. You are saved until you deny, atheist do not accept Christ
as God, this is denial.
No. We're not denying anything. We're just innocent people whom you haven't
convinced yet. If God's going to be upset with anyone it's going to be you for
not saving us yet. I'd make sure you die in an asbestos vest if I were you.
---------
Levy Oates
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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08 Jan 2005 01:58:59 PM |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 18:11:13 +0000, Levy Oates
<levy_oates@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:58:00 -0800, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
You did not read. You are saved until you deny, atheist do not accept Christ
as God, this is denial.
No. We're not denying anything. We're just innocent people whom you haven't
convinced yet. If God's going to be upset with anyone it's going to be you for
not saving us yet. I'd make sure you die in an asbestos vest if I were you.
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Levy Oates
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
Well lets see what the dictionary says about 'deny'
(Webster Merriam Collegiate Dictionary)
Deny:
"1 : to declare untrue
2 : to disclaim connection with or responsibilityfor : disavow
3 a : to give a negative answer to b : to refuse togrant c : to
restrain (oneself) from gratification of desires
4 archaic : decline
5 : to refuse to accept the existence, truth, or validity of"
1. So do I declare 'god' untrue?
Hmm thay does not seem a relevant question for something I
do not believe exists. There seems to be nothing to declare.
2. Not relevant
3. Not relevant
4 Decline god? Cannot decline something that I do not believe
exists
5.Now this does seem relevant. So I would be denying the
existence of a god if I was denying the evidence it exists.
Since there is no such evidence I have nothing to deny
Clearly denying does not involve belief but evidence
or validity. So not believing in the existence of a god is
nothing whatsover to do with denying. By not believing
something for which their is no evidence I am not denying.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: God not to blame! |
10 Jan 2005 10:28:27 AM |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 19:58:59 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 18:11:13 +0000, Levy Oates
<levy_oates@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:58:00 -0800, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
You did not read. You are saved until you deny, atheist do not accept Christ
as God, this is denial.
No. We're not denying anything. We're just innocent people whom you haven't
convinced yet. If God's going to be upset with anyone it's going to be you for
not saving us yet. I'd make sure you die in an asbestos vest if I were you.
---------
Levy Oates
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
Well lets see what the dictionary says about 'deny'
(Webster Merriam Collegiate Dictionary)
Deny:
"1 : to declare untrue
2 : to disclaim connection with or responsibilityfor : disavow
3 a : to give a negative answer to b : to refuse togrant c : to
restrain (oneself) from gratification of desires
4 archaic : decline
5 : to refuse to accept the existence, truth, or validity of"
1. So do I declare 'god' untrue?
Hmm thay does not seem a relevant question for something I
do not believe exists. There seems to be nothing to declare.
2. Not relevant
3. Not relevant
4 Decline god? Cannot decline something that I do not believe
exists
5.Now this does seem relevant. So I would be denying the
existence of a god if I was denying the evidence it exists.
Since there is no such evidence I have nothing to deny
Clearly denying does not involve belief but evidence
or validity. So not believing in the existence of a god is
nothing whatsover to do with denying. By not believing
something for which their is no evidence I am not denying.
With morons like Randy, 'deny' has the unconcious provision of
'objectively established.' Of course, these people don't even have a
brain stem.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Jez" |
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08 Jan 2005 12:27:55 PM |
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Randy Story wrote:
"Al Klein" <CellPhones@optonline.com> wrote in message
news:g8eut0dgjpmtovqte2oq6evuadj4h51v8f@4ax.com...
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:38:03 -0800, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Death is only final for you, If you read the whole post you would see
that
final end.
No, according to your post, we're all already saved. Don't you read
what you write? Or are you just parroting what you've been taught?
You did not read. You are saved until you deny, atheist do not accept Christ
as God, this is denial.
Neither do Buddhists..Muslims..etc etc etc.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
yahoo ID: hellward2004
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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08 Jan 2005 03:13:38 PM |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 18:27:55 +0000, Jez
<iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote:
Randy Story wrote:
"Al Klein" <CellPhones@optonline.com> wrote in message
news:g8eut0dgjpmtovqte2oq6evuadj4h51v8f@4ax.com...
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:38:03 -0800, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Death is only final for you, If you read the whole post you would see
that
final end.
No, according to your post, we're all already saved. Don't you read
what you write? Or are you just parroting what you've been taught?
You did not read. You are saved until you deny, atheist do not accept Christ
as God, this is denial.
Neither do Buddhists..Muslims..etc etc etc.
Somebody tell the moron that until he demonstrates that his mythical
superhero actually is god then there is nothing to deny.
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| User: "Ash" |
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09 Jan 2005 06:43:31 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
Somebody tell the moron that until he demonstrates that his mythical
superhero actually is god then there is nothing to deny.
Perhaps he believes Chick that saying "budha didn't die fot your sinse"
is enough to show Buddhism is wrong, or "Allah didn't send his son to
die for you" proves Islam incorrect
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 Jan 2005 10:29:29 AM |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:13:38 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 18:27:55 +0000, Jez
<iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote:
Randy Story wrote:
"Al Klein" <CellPhones@optonline.com> wrote in message
news:g8eut0dgjpmtovqte2oq6evuadj4h51v8f@4ax.com...
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:38:03 -0800, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Death is only final for you, If you read the whole post you would see
that
final end.
No, according to your post, we're all already saved. Don't you read
what you write? Or are you just parroting what you've been taught?
You did not read. You are saved until you deny, atheist do not accept Christ
as God, this is denial.
Neither do Buddhists..Muslims..etc etc etc.
Somebody tell the moron that until he demonstrates that his mythical
superhero actually is god then there is nothing to deny.
He's been informed, ad nauseum. Parrots and tape recorders aren't
well known for their listening or learning skills.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Olrik" |
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09 Jan 2005 12:54:18 AM |
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Randy Story wrote:
"Al Klein" <CellPhones@optonline.com> wrote in message
news:g8eut0dgjpmtovqte2oq6evuadj4h51v8f@4ax.com...
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:38:03 -0800, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Death is only final for you, If you read the whole post you would see
that
final end.
No, according to your post, we're all already saved. Don't you read
what you write? Or are you just parroting what you've been taught?
You did not read. You are saved until you deny, atheist do not accept Christ
as God, this is denial.
Why would "denial" be punishable?
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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09 Jan 2005 02:40:52 PM |
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 01:54:18 -0500, Olrik <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Randy Story wrote:
"Al Klein" <CellPhones@optonline.com> wrote in message
news:g8eut0dgjpmtovqte2oq6evuadj4h51v8f@4ax.com...
No, according to your post, we're all already saved. Don't you read
what you write? Or are you just parroting what you've been taught?
You did not read. You are saved until you deny, atheist do not accept Christ
as God, this is denial.
Why would "denial" be punishable?
Too keep Christians toeing the line. It's not part of the REVEALED
Christianity, it's part INTERPRETED Christianity.
--
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of
themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
- Bertrand Russell
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 Jan 2005 10:32:00 AM |
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 01:54:18 -0500, Olrik <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com>
wrote:
Randy Story wrote:
"Al Klein" <CellPhones@optonline.com> wrote in message
news:g8eut0dgjpmtovqte2oq6evuadj4h51v8f@4ax.com...
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:38:03 -0800, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Death is only final for you, If you read the whole post you would see
that
final end.
No, according to your post, we're all already saved. Don't you read
what you write? Or are you just parroting what you've been taught?
You did not read. You are saved until you deny, atheist do not accept Christ
as God, this is denial.
Why would "denial" be punishable?
And 'scripted denial' at that?
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "CQMMAN" |
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| Title: Re: God not to blame! |
07 Jan 2005 05:42:31 PM |
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Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:348kn9F47t0moU1@individual.net...
Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
Will you atheists get off your bandwagon about how if there is a
God he is directly responsible for this tsuamni. Certainly as a
*Yawn*
So this is where you explain that god punished thousands and
thousands of innocents to punish the misbehaving amongst us?
Can you imagine a court sentencing YOU to death for the crimes of
the rest of us? Would you consider that reasonable? Why does god
have to test us? If he created us, if is really knows us, if he is
*all-knowing*, he DOESN'T need to test us because he ALREADY KNOWS
how we will respond. God is apparently *all-powerful*, he can
(apparently) make us virtual just the same he (apparently) made
people evil. Why make people evil in the first place? There is no
reason for it.
You POV is so full of holes that I am surprised you didn't spot them
while writing it.
Death is only final for you, If you read the whole post you would see
that final end.
BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
--
Saddam has continued to produce them, that he has existing and active
military plans for the use of chemical and biological weapons, which
could be activated within 45 minutes
- Tony Blair on Saddam 24/9/02
"For a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed one of the
great and enduring alliances of modern times."
George W Bush -Tokyo, Japan, Feb. 18, 2002
suicide bombing is not a belief
-CrazyAlec (internet spook)
"I hear there's rumors on the Internets"
- George W Bush -Oct. 9, 2004
Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to
kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn
them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the
feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us
crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues here and
there, I don't care. -- Ariel Sharon, interviewed by Amos Oz (published
in the Israeli daily Davar, DEC 17, 1982
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| User: "Randy Story" |
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07 Jan 2005 07:55:36 PM |
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"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:348l36F472b9sU1@individual.net...
Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:348kn9F47t0moU1@individual.net...
Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
Will you atheists get off your bandwagon about how if there is a
God he is directly responsible for this tsuamni. Certainly as a
*Yawn*
So this is where you explain that god punished thousands and
thousands of innocents to punish the misbehaving amongst us?
Can you imagine a court sentencing YOU to death for the crimes of
the rest of us? Would you consider that reasonable? Why does god
have to test us? If he created us, if is really knows us, if he is
*all-knowing*, he DOESN'T need to test us because he ALREADY KNOWS
how we will respond. God is apparently *all-powerful*, he can
(apparently) make us virtual just the same he (apparently) made
people evil. Why make people evil in the first place? There is no
reason for it.
You POV is so full of holes that I am surprised you didn't spot them
while writing it.
Death is only final for you, If you read the whole post you would see
that final end.
BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
Just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
--
Saddam has continued to produce them, that he has existing and active
military plans for the use of chemical and biological weapons, which
could be activated within 45 minutes
- Tony Blair on Saddam 24/9/02
"For a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed one of the
great and enduring alliances of modern times."
George W Bush -Tokyo, Japan, Feb. 18, 2002
suicide bombing is not a belief
-CrazyAlec (internet spook)
"I hear there's rumors on the Internets"
- George W Bush -Oct. 9, 2004
Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to
kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn
them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the
feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us
crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues here and
there, I don't care. -- Ariel Sharon, interviewed by Amos Oz (published
in the Israeli daily Davar, DEC 17, 1982
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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08 Jan 2005 06:53:04 PM |
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On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:55:36 -0800, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
wrote:
BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
Just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Don't you get embarrassed by making your gods (all three of them) look
absent?
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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07 Jan 2005 05:52:46 PM |
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"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:348l36F472b9sU1@individual.net:
Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:348kn9F47t0moU1@individual.net...
Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
Will you atheists get off your bandwagon about how if there is a
God he is directly responsible for this tsuamni. Certainly as a
*Yawn*
So this is where you explain that god punished thousands and
thousands of innocents to punish the misbehaving amongst us?
Can you imagine a court sentencing YOU to death for the crimes of
the rest of us? Would you consider that reasonable? Why does god
have to test us? If he created us, if is really knows us, if he is
*all-knowing*, he DOESN'T need to test us because he ALREADY KNOWS
how we will respond. God is apparently *all-powerful*, he can
(apparently) make us virtual just the same he (apparently) made
people evil. Why make people evil in the first place? There is no
reason for it.
You POV is so full of holes that I am surprised you didn't spot them
while writing it.
Death is only final for you, If you read the whole post you would see
that final end.
BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
If you believe in heaven, no, death is not punishment. You really should
learn about something before you talk trash about it. Makes you look
stoopid when you talk ***** like that.
I mean, it's not like there isn't plenty of stuff that's true about
Christainity to condemn it for.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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08 Jan 2005 12:44:18 AM |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 23:52:46 -0000 in alt.atheism, No 33 Secretary
(No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:348l36F472b9sU1@individual.net:
Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:348kn9F47t0moU1@individual.net...
Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
Will you atheists get off your bandwagon about how if there is a
God he is directly responsible for this tsuamni. Certainly as a
*Yawn*
So this is where you explain that god punished thousands and
thousands of innocents to punish the misbehaving amongst us?
Can you imagine a court sentencing YOU to death for the crimes of
the rest of us? Would you consider that reasonable? Why does god
have to test us? If he created us, if is really knows us, if he is
*all-knowing*, he DOESN'T need to test us because he ALREADY KNOWS
how we will respond. God is apparently *all-powerful*, he can
(apparently) make us virtual just the same he (apparently) made
people evil. Why make people evil in the first place? There is no
reason for it.
You POV is so full of holes that I am surprised you didn't spot them
while writing it.
Death is only final for you, If you read the whole post you would see
that final end.
BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
If you believe in heaven, no, death is not punishment. You really should
learn about something before you talk trash about it. Makes you look
stoopid when you talk ***** like that.
Well, that point rather hangs on whether you end up in heaven or hell,
bearing in mind that universalism isn't a particularly well
represented position in and across the various Christian sects. After
all, as far as I'm aware nasty death of no free pass to heaven.
Which raises a tangential point: it's not impossible to imagine that
amongst those who died in the tsunami were some people who'd been born
into indescribable poverty, had lived lives of unimaginable suffering,
who died nastily in the wave, and who were sent to hell.
Being omniscient God would have known from eternity that's what'd
happen to them.
Do you think it's moral for God to permit the creation of such people.
I mean, it's not like there isn't plenty of stuff that's true about
Christainity to condemn it for.
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08 Jan 2005 01:42:34 AM |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 06:44:18 +0000, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com>
wrote:
Which raises a tangential point: it's not impossible to imagine that
amongst those who died in the tsunami were some people who'd been born
into indescribable poverty, had lived lives of unimaginable suffering,
who died nastily in the wave, and who were sent to hell.
Being omniscient God would have known from eternity that's what'd
happen to them.
Do you think it's moral for God to permit the creation of such people.
Look, Adam ate an apple 6,000 years ago. That's absolutely unforgivable. I mean
even a perfect, loving, merciful God has limits. Torturing his own son to death
didn't even seem to do the trick, God's still an apple down.
Naturally the only way to placate his fury is to create people who are miserable
both in this life and the next one. This source of divine amusement will
presumably continue until god gets bored, although he seems to have a very high
boredom threshold.
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Levy Oates
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
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08 Jan 2005 11:48:02 AM |
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Levy Oates wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 06:44:18 +0000, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com>
wrote:
Which raises a tangential point: it's not impossible to imagine that
amongst those who died in the tsunami were some people who'd been born
into indescribable poverty, had lived lives of unimaginable suffering,
who died nastily in the wave, and who were sent to hell.
Being omniscient God would have known from eternity that's what'd
happen to them.
Do you think it's moral for God to permit the creation of such people.
Look, Adam ate an apple 6,000 years ago. That's absolutely unforgivable. I mean
even a perfect, loving, merciful God has limits. Torturing his own son to death
didn't even seem to do the trick, God's still an apple down.
Hell, I'd feel the same if someone nicked my Ganga !
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
yahoo ID: hellward2004
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10 Jan 2005 10:10:37 AM |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 07:42:34 +0000, Levy Oates
<levy_oates@hotmail.com> wrote:
Re: God not to blame!
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 06:44:18 +0000, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com>
wrote:
Which raises a tangential point: it's not impossible to imagine that
amongst those who died in the tsunami were some people who'd been born
into indescribable poverty, had lived lives of unimaginable suffering,
who died nastily in the wave, and who were sent to hell.
Being omniscient God would have known from eternity that's what'd
happen to them.
Do you think it's moral for God to permit the creation of such people.
/begin
Look, Adam ate an apple 6,000 years ago. That's absolutely unforgivable. I mean
even a perfect, loving, merciful God has limits. Torturing his own son to death
didn't even seem to do the trick, God's still an apple down.
Naturally the only way to placate his fury is to create people who are miserable
both in this life and the next one. This source of divine amusement will
presumably continue until god gets bored, although he seems to have a very high
boredom threshold.
/end
---------
Levy Oates
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
Seconds?
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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10 Jan 2005 11:20:31 AM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:k6a5u0dbj2rgca3vt50o4j3tu6dhjtd9cg@4ax.com:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 07:42:34 +0000, Levy Oates
<levy_oates@hotmail.com> wrote:
Re: God not to blame!
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 06:44:18 +0000, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Which raises a tangential point: it's not impossible to imagine that
amongst those who died in the tsunami were some people who'd been
born into indescribable poverty, had lived lives of unimaginable
suffering, who died nastily in the wave, and who were sent to hell.
Being omniscient God would have known from eternity that's what'd
happen to them.
Do you think it's moral for God to permit the creation of such
people.
/begin
Look, Adam ate an apple 6,000 years ago. That's absolutely
unforgivable. I mean even a perfect, loving, merciful God has limits.
Torturing his own son to death didn't even seem to do the trick, God's
still an apple down.
Naturally the only way to placate his fury is to create people who are
miserable both in this life and the next one. This source of divine
amusement will presumably continue until god gets bored, although he
seems to have a very high boredom threshold.
/end
---------
Levy Oates
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
Seconds?
Are you really that fucking stupid? How can you remember how to breath and
walk at the same time? You must be a Christian fundamentalist.
Main Entry: sar·casm
Pronunciation: 'sär-"ka-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: French or Late Latin; French sarcasme, from Late Latin
sarcasmos, from Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein to tear flesh, bite the
lips in rage, sneer, from sark-, sarx flesh; probably akin to Avestan
thwar&s- to cut
1 : a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give
pain <tired of continual sarcasms>
2 a : a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic,
and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual b
: the use or language of sarcasm <this is no time to indulge in sarcasm>
synonym see WIT
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Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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10 Jan 2005 06:40:20 PM |
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No 33 Secretary wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:k6a5u0dbj2rgca3vt50o4j3tu6dhjtd9cg@4ax.com:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 07:42:34 +0000, Levy Oates
<levy_oates@hotmail.com> wrote:
Re: God not to blame!
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 06:44:18 +0000, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Which raises a tangential point: it's not impossible to imagine that
amongst those who died in the tsunami were some people who'd been
born into indescribable poverty, had lived lives of unimaginable
suffering, who died nastily in the wave, and who were sent to hell.
Being omniscient God would have known from eternity that's what'd
happen to them.
Do you think it's moral for God to permit the creation of such
people.
/begin
Look, Adam ate an apple 6,000 years ago. That's absolutely
unforgivable. I mean even a perfect, loving, merciful God has limits.
Torturing his own son to death didn't even seem to do the trick, God's
still an apple down.
Naturally the only way to placate his fury is to create people who are
miserable both in this life and the next one. This source of divine
amusement will presumably continue until god gets bored, although he
seems to have a very high boredom threshold.
/end
---------
Levy Oates
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
Seconds?
Are you really that fucking stupid? How can you remember how to breath and
walk at the same time? You must be a Christian fundamentalist.
<<<Cough...>>>> nearly spilt my pipe man !!!
Main Entry: sar·casm
Yes..we know Sarcasm.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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11 Jan 2005 12:09:58 AM |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:20:31 -0000, No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:k6a5u0dbj2rgca3vt50o4j3tu6dhjtd9cg@4ax.com:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 07:42:34 +0000, Levy Oates
<levy_oates@hotmail.com> wrote:
Re: God not to blame!
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 06:44:18 +0000, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Which raises a tangential point: it's not impossible to imagine that
amongst those who died in the tsunami were some people who'd been
born into indescribable poverty, had lived lives of unimaginable
suffering, who died nastily in the wave, and who were sent to hell.
Being omniscient God would have known from eternity that's what'd
happen to them.
Do you think it's moral for God to permit the creation of such
people.
/begin
Look, Adam ate an apple 6,000 years ago. That's absolutely
unforgivable. I mean even a perfect, loving, merciful God has limits.
Torturing his own son to death didn't even seem to do the trick, God's
still an apple down.
Naturally the only way to placate his fury is to create people who are
miserable both in this life and the next one. This source of divine
amusement will presumably continue until god gets bored, although he
seems to have a very high boredom threshold.
/end
---------
Levy Oates
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
Seconds?
Are you really that fucking stupid? How can you remember how to breath and
walk at the same time? You must be a Christian fundamentalist.
Once again, I see your intelligence quotient is in Christian
Fundamentalist Rethugnican negative numbers.
It might be worthwhile for you to consider renting a clue.
But then, the two pence fee would probably require a good chunk of
your retirement savings.
[]
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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11 Jan 2005 10:57:47 AM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:76r6u0psvas8ben2tmsi1brp8ko71btqa5@4ax.com:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:20:31 -0000, No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:k6a5u0dbj2rgca3vt50o4j3tu6dhjtd9cg@4ax.com:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 07:42:34 +0000, Levy Oates
<levy_oates@hotmail.com> wrote:
Re: God not to blame!
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 06:44:18 +0000, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Which raises a tangential point: it's not impossible to imagine
that amongst those who died in the tsunami were some people who'd
been born into indescribable poverty, had lived lives of
unimaginable suffering, who died nastily in the wave, and who were
sent to hell.
Being omniscient God would have known from eternity that's what'd
happen to them.
Do you think it's moral for God to permit the creation of such
people.
/begin
Look, Adam ate an apple 6,000 years ago. That's absolutely
unforgivable. I mean even a perfect, loving, merciful God has
limits. Torturing his own son to death didn't even seem to do the
trick, God's still an apple down.
Naturally the only way to placate his fury is to create people who
are miserable both in this life and the next one. This source of
divine amusement will presumably continue until god gets bored,
although he seems to have a very high boredom threshold.
/end
---------
Levy Oates
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
Seconds?
Are you really that fucking stupid? How can you remember how to breath
and walk at the same time? You must be a Christian fundamentalist.
Once again, I see your intelligence quotient is in Christian
Fundamentalist Rethugnican negative numbers.
It might be worthwhile for you to consider renting a clue.
But then, the two pence fee would probably require a good chunk of
your retirement savings.
I rest my case.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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| User: "Jez" |
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11 Jan 2005 04:38:04 PM |
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No 33 Secretary wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:76r6u0psvas8ben2tmsi1brp8ko71btqa5@4ax.com:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:20:31 -0000, No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:k6a5u0dbj2rgca3vt50o4j3tu6dhjtd9cg@4ax.com:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 07:42:34 +0000, Levy Oates
<levy_oates@hotmail.com> wrote:
Re: God not to blame!
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 06:44:18 +0000, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Which raises a tangential point: it's not impossible to imagine
that amongst those who died in the tsunami were some people who'd
been born into indescribable poverty, had lived lives of
unimaginable suffering, who died nastily in the wave, and who were
sent to hell.
Being omniscient God would have known from eternity that's what'd
happen to them.
Do you think it's moral for God to permit the creation of such
people.
/begin
Look, Adam ate an apple 6,000 years ago. That's absolutely
unforgivable. I mean even a perfect, loving, merciful God has
limits. Torturing his own son to death didn't even seem to do the
trick, God's still an apple down.
Naturally the only way to placate his fury is to create people who
are miserable both in this life and the next one. This source of
divine amusement will presumably continue until god gets bored,
although he seems to have a very high boredom threshold.
/end
---------
Levy Oates
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
Seconds?
Are you really that fucking stupid? How can you remember how to breath
and walk at the same time? You must be a Christian fundamentalist.
Once again, I see your intelligence quotient is in Christian
Fundamentalist Rethugnican negative numbers.
It might be worthwhile for you to consider renting a clue.
But then, the two pence fee would probably require a good chunk of
your retirement savings.
I rest my case.
Why ? Are it's little legs tired ?
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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11 Jan 2005 04:54:45 PM |
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Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:Pbydna82eqrWyHncRVnyuw@pipex.net:
No 33 Secretary wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:76r6u0psvas8ben2tmsi1brp8ko71btqa5@4ax.com:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:20:31 -0000, No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:k6a5u0dbj2rgca3vt50o4j3tu6dhjtd9cg@4ax.com:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 07:42:34 +0000, Levy Oates
<levy_oates@hotmail.com> wrote:
Re: God not to blame!
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 06:44:18 +0000, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Which raises a tangential point: it's not impossible to imagine
that amongst those who died in the tsunami were some people who'd
been born into indescribable poverty, had lived lives of
unimaginable suffering, who died nastily in the wave, and who were
sent to hell.
Being omniscient God would have known from eternity that's what'd
happen to them.
Do you think it's moral for God to permit the creation of such
people.
/begin
Look, Adam ate an apple 6,000 years ago. That's absolutely
unforgivable. I mean even a perfect, loving, merciful God has
limits. Torturing his own son to death didn't even seem to do the
trick, God's still an apple down.
Naturally the only way to placate his fury is to create people who
are miserable both in this life and the next one. This source of
divine amusement will presumably continue until god gets bored,
although he seems to have a very high boredom threshold.
/end
---------
Levy Oates
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
Seconds?
Are you really that fucking stupid? How can you remember how to breath
and walk at the same time? You must be a Christian fundamentalist.
Once again, I see your intelligence quotient is in Christian
Fundamentalist Rethugnican negative numbers.
It might be worthwhile for you to consider renting a clue.
But then, the two pence fee would probably require a good chunk of
your retirement savings.
I rest my case.
Why ? Are it's little legs tired ?
Not at all. It's got wheels. But it's not like it has to work hard to make
fun of you.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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10 Jan 2005 11:26:28 AM |
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stoney wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 07:42:34 +0000, Levy Oates
<levy_oates@hotmail.com> wrote:
Re: God not to blame!
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 06:44:18 +0000, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com>
wrote:
Which raises a tangential point: it's not impossible to imagine that
amongst those who died in the tsunami were some people who'd been born
into indescribable poverty, had lived lives of unimaginable suffering,
who died nastily in the wave, and who were sent to hell.
Being omniscient God would have known from eternity that's what'd
happen to them.
Do you think it's moral for God to permit the creation of such people.
/begin
Look, Adam ate an apple 6,000 years ago. That's absolutely unforgivable. I mean
even a perfect, loving, merciful God has limits. Torturing his own son to death
didn't even seem to do the trick, God's still an apple down.
Naturally the only way to placate his fury is to create people who are miserable
both in this life and the next one. This source of divine amusement will
presumably continue until god gets bored, although he seems to have a very high
boredom threshold.
/end
---------
Levy Oates
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
Seconds?
Seconded !
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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13 Jan 2005 05:10:14 AM |
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In article <IcudnT2KzrggJ3_cRVnyjA@pipex.net>,
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote:
stoney wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 07:42:34 +0000, Levy Oates
<levy_oates@hotmail.com> wrote:
Re: God not to blame!
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 06:44:18 +0000, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com>
wrote:
Which raises a tangential point: it's not impossible to imagine that
amongst those who died in the tsunami were some people who'd been born
into indescribable poverty, had lived lives of unimaginable suffering,
who died nastily in the wave, and who were sent to hell.
Being omniscient God would have known from eternity that's what'd
happen to them.
Do you think it's moral for God to permit the creation of such people.
/begin
Look, Adam ate an apple 6,000 years ago. That's absolutely unforgivable. I
mean
even a perfect, loving, merciful God has limits. Torturing his own son to
death
didn't even seem to do the trick, God's still an apple down.
Naturally the only way to placate his fury is to create people who are
miserable
both in this life and the next one. This source of divine amusement will
presumably continue until god gets bored, although he seems to have a very
high
boredom threshold.
/end
---------
Levy Oates
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
Seconds?
Seconded !
Recorded.
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