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"Randy Story" |
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07 Jan 2005 05:27:33 PM |
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God not to blame! |
Will you atheists get off your bandwagon about how if there is a God he
is directly responsible for this tsuamni. Certainly as a Christian I
believed he allowed it just as he allows illness or accidents. These are a
direct result of a fallen world that is in turmoil. The physical laws that
are currently in motion account for most natural calamity. The motion itself
is not evil, it is just the relationship between this motion and people that
results in calamity. Take a tornado, the result of warm fronts colliding
with cold fronts. These fronts in themselves are a good thing, without them
we might not have proper rain or seasons, but when they collide near a
population we call the result of this collision evil. It is the same with
many accidents, alcohol is a good thing but put to much in a driver and
calamity may occur, again God allows us to destroy ourselves if we desire.
The real question that should be asked is1. why does he allow evil to
occur and 2. why so much & 3. Are there good reasons to allow evil.
I will give one answer to each for you to flame, there are many more.
1. *Allowing* evil is the only why to test the character of humanity.
2. The present evil is the least possible to test that character.
3. One good reason is act virtuous, it is impossible to have courage except
in the face of danger. it is impossible to have mercy except when confronted
with need. In other words God allows evil that we may become like him.
The final point to keep in mind is that death & suffering are part of a
short term plan compared to the rest of time. According to Christian
doctrine *all* will be raised to life in the ressurection. Some to heaven,
some to hell, each in accordance with their freewill choice in life.
Since Christ died for *all* mankind all will be saved except those that have
made a conscious choice to reject him.
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10 Jan 2005 11:19:00 AM |
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Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 23:52:46 -0000 in alt.atheism, No 33 Secretary
(No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:348l36F472b9sU1@individual.net:
Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
Will you atheists get off your bandwagon about how if there
is a
God he is directly responsible for this tsuamni. Certainly as a
*Yawn*
So this is where you explain that god punished thousands and
thousands of innocents to punish the misbehaving amongst us?
Can you imagine a court sentencing YOU to death for the crimes of
the rest of us? Would you consider that reasonable? Why does god
have to test us? If he created us, if is really knows us, if he is
*all-knowing*, he DOESN'T need to test us because he ALREADY KNOWS
how we will respond. God is apparently *all-powerful*, he can
(apparently) make us virtual just the same he (apparently) made
people evil. Why make people evil in the first place? There is no
reason for it.
You POV is so full of holes that I am surprised you didn't spot
them while writing it.
Death is only final for you, If you read the whole post you would
see that final end.
BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
If you believe in heaven, no, death is not punishment. You really
should learn about something before you talk trash about it. Makes you
look stoopid when you talk ***** like that.
Well, that point rather hangs on whether you end up in heaven or hell,
Yes, but when and how you die does not affect that. It's how you live that
determines that.
bearing in mind that universalism isn't a particularly well
represented position in and across the various Christian sects. After
all, as far as I'm aware nasty death of no free pass to heaven.
Martyrdom is, in most sects.
Which raises a tangential point: it's not impossible to imagine that
amongst those who died in the tsunami were some people who'd been born
into indescribable poverty, had lived lives of unimaginable suffering,
who died nastily in the wave, and who were sent to hell.
Very likely. None of those conditions precludes being evil, afer all.
Being omniscient God would have known from eternity that's what'd
happen to them.
Do you think it's moral for God to permit the creation of such people.
Permit the creation? Try creating such people. That _is_ a valid complaint
about Christianity.
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| User: "CQMMAN" |
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08 Jan 2005 05:01:16 AM |
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No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:348l36F472b9sU1@individual.net:
Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:348kn9F47t0moU1@individual.net...
Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
Will you atheists get off your bandwagon about how if there
is a God he is directly responsible for this tsuamni. Certainly
as a
*Yawn*
So this is where you explain that god punished thousands and
thousands of innocents to punish the misbehaving amongst us?
Can you imagine a court sentencing YOU to death for the crimes of
the rest of us? Would you consider that reasonable? Why does god
have to test us? If he created us, if is really knows us, if he is
*all-knowing*, he DOESN'T need to test us because he ALREADY KNOWS
how we will respond. God is apparently *all-powerful*, he can
(apparently) make us virtual just the same he (apparently) made
people evil. Why make people evil in the first place? There is no
reason for it.
You POV is so full of holes that I am surprised you didn't spot
them while writing it.
Death is only final for you, If you read the whole post you would
see that final end.
BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
If you believe in heaven, no, death is not punishment. You really
should learn about something before you talk trash about it. Makes
you look stoopid when you talk ***** like that.
So you wouldn't mind someone killing you then? You obviously support
abortion?
I mean, it's not like there isn't plenty of stuff that's true about
Christainity to condemn it for.
--
Saddam has continued to produce them, that he has existing and active
military plans for the use of chemical and biological weapons, which
could be activated within 45 minutes
- Tony Blair on Saddam 24/9/02
"For a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed one of the
great and enduring alliances of modern times."
George W Bush -Tokyo, Japan, Feb. 18, 2002
suicide bombing is not a belief
-CrazyAlec (internet spook)
"I hear there's rumors on the Internets"
- George W Bush -Oct. 9, 2004
Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to
kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn
them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the
feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us
crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues here and
there, I don't care. -- Ariel Sharon, interviewed by Amos Oz (published
in the Israeli daily Davar, DEC 17, 1982
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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10 Jan 2005 11:22:23 AM |
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"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:349srrF49f7pcU1@individual.net:
No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:348l36F472b9sU1@individual.net:
Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:348kn9F47t0moU1@individual.net...
Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
Will you atheists get off your bandwagon about how if there
is a God he is directly responsible for this tsuamni. Certainly
as a
*Yawn*
So this is where you explain that god punished thousands and
thousands of innocents to punish the misbehaving amongst us?
Can you imagine a court sentencing YOU to death for the crimes of
the rest of us? Would you consider that reasonable? Why does god
have to test us? If he created us, if is really knows us, if he is
*all-knowing*, he DOESN'T need to test us because he ALREADY KNOWS
how we will respond. God is apparently *all-powerful*, he can
(apparently) make us virtual just the same he (apparently) made
people evil. Why make people evil in the first place? There is no
reason for it.
You POV is so full of holes that I am surprised you didn't spot
them while writing it.
Death is only final for you, If you read the whole post you would
see that final end.
BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
If you believe in heaven, no, death is not punishment. You really
should learn about something before you talk trash about it. Makes
you look stoopid when you talk ***** like that.
So you wouldn't mind someone killing you then?
Not my religion, 'tard-boy. And if you weren't a retard, you'd know that
suicide is a sin in Christian theology. But you are a 'tard, so you
continue to make a fool of yourself, claiming things about Christianity
that simply aren't true, and obviously so. Things so fucking stupid that
only a retard could possibly think they are true.
You obviously support
abortion?
You obviously like sucking my *****. Waaaaay too much.
<overly long, mentally retarded .sig snipped, just to ***** you off>
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| User: "Chris H" |
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07 Jan 2005 06:08:23 PM |
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No 33 Secretary wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:348l36F472b9sU1@individual.net:
BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
If you believe in heaven, no, death is not punishment. You really should
learn about something before you talk trash about it. Makes you look
stoopid when you talk ***** like that.
How much are IronyMeters(tm) these days?
I mean, it's not like there isn't plenty of stuff that's true about
Christainity to condemn it for.
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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10 Jan 2005 11:14:29 AM |
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Chris H <No@None.no> wrote in
news:41df2477$0$23058$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk:
No 33 Secretary wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:348l36F472b9sU1@individual.net:
BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
If you believe in heaven, no, death is not punishment. You really
should learn about something before you talk trash about it. Makes
you look stoopid when you talk ***** like that.
How much are IronyMeters(tm) these days?
You tell me, retard.
I mean, it's not like there isn't plenty of stuff that's true about
Christainity to condemn it for.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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07 Jan 2005 07:42:37 PM |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 00:08:23 +0000, Chris H <No@None.no> said in
alt.atheism:
No 33 Secretary wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:348l36F472b9sU1@individual.net:
BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
If you believe in heaven, no, death is not punishment. You really should
learn about something before you talk trash about it. Makes you look
stoopid when you talk ***** like that.
How much are IronyMeters(tm) these days?
With people like No 33 Secretary posting? There are none, so there's
no price you could set for them that's valid.
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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10 Jan 2005 11:14:50 AM |
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Al Klein <CellPhones@optonline.com> wrote in
news:nieut0dimfllk2jpupfij02j8mtuj3j61c@4ax.com:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 00:08:23 +0000, Chris H <No@None.no> said in
alt.atheism:
No 33 Secretary wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:348l36F472b9sU1@individual.net:
BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
If you believe in heaven, no, death is not punishment. You really
should learn about something before you talk trash about it. Makes
you look stoopid when you talk ***** like that.
How much are IronyMeters(tm) these days?
With people like No 33 Secretary posting? There are none, so there's
no price you could set for them that's valid.
Still lying about how people use words, Al?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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10 Jan 2005 03:42:58 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:14:50 -0000, No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <CellPhones@optonline.com> wrote in
news:nieut0dimfllk2jpupfij02j8mtuj3j61c@4ax.com:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 00:08:23 +0000, Chris H <No@None.no> said in
alt.atheism:
No 33 Secretary wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:348l36F472b9sU1@individual.net:
BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
If you believe in heaven, no, death is not punishment. You really
should learn about something before you talk trash about it. Makes
you look stoopid when you talk ***** like that.
How much are IronyMeters(tm) these days?
With people like No 33 Secretary posting? There are none, so there's
no price you could set for them that's valid.
Still lying about how people use words, Al?
Still commenting on things you know nothing about, I see.
--
The most curious social convention of the great age in which we live is the
one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected.
-- H. L. Mencken
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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10 Jan 2005 03:54:19 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:hmt5u0pvmpp5v20ar45go1729jbo87i70q@4ax.com:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:14:50 -0000, No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <CellPhones@optonline.com> wrote in
news:nieut0dimfllk2jpupfij02j8mtuj3j61c@4ax.com:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 00:08:23 +0000, Chris H <No@None.no> said in
alt.atheism:
No 33 Secretary wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:348l36F472b9sU1@individual.net:
BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
If you believe in heaven, no, death is not punishment. You really
should learn about something before you talk trash about it. Makes
you look stoopid when you talk ***** like that.
How much are IronyMeters(tm) these days?
With people like No 33 Secretary posting? There are none, so there's
no price you could set for them that's valid.
Still lying about how people use words, Al?
Still commenting on things you know nothing about, I see.
I posted the dictionary definition. You lied about what it said. QED.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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07 Jan 2005 07:41:30 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 23:52:46 -0000, No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> said in alt.atheism:
If you believe in heaven, no, death is not punishment.
If you really believe that, allow me to torture you to death. It'll
allow me to work out some frustrations and it won't harm you.
I mean, it's not like there isn't plenty of stuff that's true about
Christainity to condemn it for.
Like believing all the nonsense ... like a god who has to kill himself
to be able to forgive us for committing a sin that he set us up to not
be able to not commit ... like an entire planet flooded when there's
not enough water, nor has there ever been, for that to happen ... like
a god who commands us to not murder, then orders his people to murder
others (which makes sense if you realize that primitive view of
'murder' applied only to 'people', not 'others', and that primitive
gods ALWAYS want whatever their worshippers want them to want) ...
like, IOW, your entire religion.
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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10 Jan 2005 11:17:14 AM |
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Al Klein <CellPhones@optonline.com> wrote in
news:jaeut0pea83035hmn1rnpkf2u1b9nua4uv@4ax.com:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 23:52:46 -0000, No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> said in alt.atheism:
If you believe in heaven, no, death is not punishment.
If you really believe that,
Didn't say I did. I just prefer to understand something before I condemn
it. Isn't that one of atheists' complaints about theists? That they condemn
what they don't understand?
allow me to torture you to death. It'll
allow me to work out some frustrations and it won't harm you.
Suicide (and that is what you are asking, regardless of how fucking
retarded you are) is a sin. It is throwing God's gift of life back in His
face.
Only a retard could fail to grasp that. Are you a retard? Or just a liar?
I mean, it's not like there isn't plenty of stuff that's true about
Christainity to condemn it for.
Like believing all the nonsense ... like a god who has to kill himself
More ignorance of Christian theology, but that's hardly a surprise from a
retarded atheist.
to be able to forgive us for committing a sin that he set us up to not
be able to not commit ... like an entire planet flooded when there's
not enough water, nor has there ever been, for that to happen ... like
a god who commands us to not murder, then orders his people to murder
others (which makes sense if you realize that primitive view of
'murder' applied only to 'people', not 'others', and that primitive
gods ALWAYS want whatever their worshippers want them to want) ...
like, IOW, your entire religion.
Not my religion, retard. Not Christians', either, but you are not capable
of comprehending why.
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08 Jan 2005 06:45:33 AM |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 23:52:46 -0000, No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:348l36F472b9sU1@individual.net:
Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:348kn9F47t0moU1@individual.net...
Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
Will you atheists get off your bandwagon about how if there is a
God he is directly responsible for this tsuamni. Certainly as a
*Yawn*
So this is where you explain that god punished thousands and
thousands of innocents to punish the misbehaving amongst us?
Can you imagine a court sentencing YOU to death for the crimes of
the rest of us? Would you consider that reasonable? Why does god
have to test us? If he created us, if is really knows us, if he is
*all-knowing*, he DOESN'T need to test us because he ALREADY KNOWS
how we will respond. God is apparently *all-powerful*, he can
(apparently) make us virtual just the same he (apparently) made
people evil. Why make people evil in the first place? There is no
reason for it.
You POV is so full of holes that I am surprised you didn't spot them
while writing it.
Death is only final for you, If you read the whole post you would see
that final end.
BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
If you believe in heaven, no, death is not punishment. You really should
learn about something before you talk trash about it. Makes you look
stoopid when you talk ***** like that.
ok tell me this. Sky News showed us a small Mosque on one
of the beaches which had a small school attatched. On that
supposedly god blessed morning some 40 plus children
were in the school studying the Koran. Now remember these
are young children being brought up as moslems who had
probably never been told about other religions.
The school complete with the children were swept away by
the Tsunami which arrived without warning. The Mosque
itself was left standing. As you seem to think you know all
the answers tell us what happened to those little children? The
film showed some of the bewildered mothers who seemed to be
pondering that same question. Maybe we can pass on your answer
as I am sure they would like to know.
Of course I happen to think they are all dead after suffering a
frightening and lonely death young lives tragically swept
away leaving grieving mothers and relatives who will suffer
this terrible loss the rest of their lives. This was no act of god
there is no god to act.
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Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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10 Jan 2005 11:25:25 AM |
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Les Hellawell <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in
news:3rkvt0dkoh75coplv399q8eo8coeuu35n3@4ax.com:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 23:52:46 -0000, No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:348l36F472b9sU1@individual.net:
Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:348kn9F47t0moU1@individual.net...
Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
Will you atheists get off your bandwagon about how if there
is a
God he is directly responsible for this tsuamni. Certainly as a
*Yawn*
So this is where you explain that god punished thousands and
thousands of innocents to punish the misbehaving amongst us?
Can you imagine a court sentencing YOU to death for the crimes of
the rest of us? Would you consider that reasonable? Why does god
have to test us? If he created us, if is really knows us, if he is
*all-knowing*, he DOESN'T need to test us because he ALREADY KNOWS
how we will respond. God is apparently *all-powerful*, he can
(apparently) make us virtual just the same he (apparently) made
people evil. Why make people evil in the first place? There is no
reason for it.
You POV is so full of holes that I am surprised you didn't spot
them while writing it.
Death is only final for you, If you read the whole post you would
see that final end.
BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
If you believe in heaven, no, death is not punishment. You really
should learn about something before you talk trash about it. Makes you
look stoopid when you talk ***** like that.
ok tell me this. Sky News showed us a small Mosque on one
of the beaches which had a small school attatched. On that
supposedly god blessed morning some 40 plus children
were in the school studying the Koran. Now remember these
are young children being brought up as moslems who had
probably never been told about other religions.
The school complete with the children were swept away by
the Tsunami which arrived without warning. The Mosque
itself was left standing. As you seem to think you know all
the answers
I'm certainly smarter than you are.
tell us what happened to those little children?
I imaging they all died.
The
film showed some of the bewildered mothers who seemed to be
pondering that same question. Maybe we can pass on your answer
as I am sure they would like to know.
It all depends on who you ask. Which is one of the problems with religion.
They all claim to be right, and they're all contradictory.
You didn't make the mentally retarded mistake of thinking I *believe* any
of that *****, did you?
I just pointed out that someone said something condemning Christianity that
simply isn't true of Christianity. That's so obivously untrue, they've
proven they know nothing about what they condemn. Which, BTW, is typical
Christian behavior: condemn that which you don't understand.
Of course I happen to think they are all dead after suffering a
frightening and lonely death young lives tragically swept
away leaving grieving mothers and relatives who will suffer
this terrible loss the rest of their lives. This was no act of god
there is no god to act.
Tragic? Personally, I hate children, and won't miss the little fuckers in
the least.
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www.hyperbooks.com
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| User: "thomas p" |
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08 Jan 2005 09:24:53 AM |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 23:52:46 -0000, No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:348l36F472b9sU1@individual.net:
Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:348kn9F47t0moU1@individual.net...
Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
Will you atheists get off your bandwagon about how if there is a
God he is directly responsible for this tsuamni. Certainly as a
*Yawn*
So this is where you explain that god punished thousands and
thousands of innocents to punish the misbehaving amongst us?
Can you imagine a court sentencing YOU to death for the crimes of
the rest of us? Would you consider that reasonable? Why does god
have to test us? If he created us, if is really knows us, if he is
*all-knowing*, he DOESN'T need to test us because he ALREADY KNOWS
how we will respond. God is apparently *all-powerful*, he can
(apparently) make us virtual just the same he (apparently) made
people evil. Why make people evil in the first place? There is no
reason for it.
You POV is so full of holes that I am surprised you didn't spot them
while writing it.
Death is only final for you, If you read the whole post you would see
that final end.
BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
If you believe in heaven, no, death is not punishment. You really should
learn about something before you talk trash about it. Makes you look
stoopid when you talk ***** like that.
I mean, it's not like there isn't plenty of stuff that's true about
Christainity to condemn it for.
When god punished people by killing them he was not really punishing
them?
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08 Jan 2005 03:39:20 PM |
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BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
If you believe in heaven, no, death is not punishment. You really should
learn about something before you talk trash about it. Makes you look stoopid
when you talk ***** like that.
I mean, it's not like there isn't plenty of stuff that's true about
Christainity to condemn it for.
thomas p wrote:
When god punished people by killing them he was not really punishing them?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I don't think any of what has happened gives anyone permission to point a
finger at God. But as to the question about "punishing them", there are far
worse things than death. If you were a believer you'd already know that.
--
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«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'
http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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08 Jan 2005 06:07:20 PM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BE05BD36.459BF%chenault@mindspring.com...
BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
If you believe in heaven, no, death is not punishment. You really should
learn about something before you talk trash about it. Makes you look
stoopid
when you talk ***** like that.
I mean, it's not like there isn't plenty of stuff that's true about
Christainity to condemn it for.
thomas p wrote:
When god punished people by killing them he was not really punishing
them?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I don't think any of what has happened gives anyone permission to point a
finger at God. But as to the question about "punishing them", there are
far
worse things than death.
Such as? Oh, and prove it.
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Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "johac" |
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09 Jan 2005 02:39:55 AM |
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In article <BE05BD36.459BF%chenault@mindspring.com>,
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
If you believe in heaven, no, death is not punishment. You really should
learn about something before you talk trash about it. Makes you look
stoopid
when you talk ***** like that.
I mean, it's not like there isn't plenty of stuff that's true about
Christainity to condemn it for.
thomas p wrote:
When god punished people by killing them he was not really punishing them?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I don't think any of what has happened gives anyone permission to point a
finger at God.
Why do I need permission to point a finger at something that doesn't
exist? On the other hand, why would I want to point a finger at
something that doesn't exist. in the first place?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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08 Jan 2005 06:54:20 PM |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:39:20 GMT, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>
wrote:
When god punished people by killing them he was not really punishing them?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I don't think any of what has happened gives anyone permission to point a
finger at God.
Sure thing, love. Supposing his job was somewhat else. For example, if
your god was the god of fire, you are right. However... s/h/it is/are
El Supremo. S/h/it created everything. Including tsunamis.
That is the problem of claiming the only god in the universe. They ARE
responsible.
But as to the question about "punishing them", there are far
worse things than death.
True. Listening to pastor dave or frank for example.
More realistically: your inhumanity is showing.
If you were a believer you'd already know that.
I don't have to be a believer for that.
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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10 Jan 2005 11:27:39 AM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:BE05BD36.459BF%chenault@mindspring.com:
I don't think any of what has happened gives anyone permission to
point a finger at God.
I got a finger for your God. Everybody's accountable.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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| User: "georgann" |
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10 Jan 2005 12:44:55 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in
I don't think any of what has happened gives anyone permission to point a
finger at God.
No 33 Secretary wrote:
I got a finger for your God. Everybody's accountable.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
If "everybody's accountable" does that suggest that everybody, ie you and I
are also "accountable" for the recent disaster?
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'
http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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10 Jan 2005 12:54:02 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:BE083756.45BC8%chenault@mindspring.com:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in
I don't think any of what has happened gives anyone permission to
point a finger at God.
No 33 Secretary wrote:
I got a finger for your God. Everybody's accountable.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
If "everybody's accountable" does that suggest that everybody, ie you
and I are also "accountable" for the recent disaster?
Not even close to what I said, retard.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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08 Jan 2005 07:04:51 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:BE05BD36.459BF%chenault@mindspring.com:
BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
If you believe in heaven, no, death is not punishment. You really
should learn about something before you talk trash about it. Makes
you look stoopid when you talk ***** like that.
I mean, it's not like there isn't plenty of stuff that's true about
Christainity to condemn it for.
thomas p wrote:
When god punished people by killing them he was not really punishing
them?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I don't think any of what has happened gives anyone permission to
point a finger at God. But as to the question about "punishing them",
there are far worse things than death.
....like being a believer.
If you were a believer you'd
already know that.
It's your life. Suffer as you would.
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Hurl, hurl, door gong's oil hair!
Wart inhale dough way cur?
Wart inhale dough way cur?
Hurl, hurl, door gong's oil hair!
Wart inhale dough way cur, nor?
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| User: "CQMMAN" |
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08 Jan 2005 03:50:18 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
If you believe in heaven, no, death is not punishment. You really
should learn about something before you talk trash about it. Makes
you look stoopid when you talk ***** like that.
I mean, it's not like there isn't plenty of stuff that's true about
Christainity to condemn it for.
thomas p wrote:
When god punished people by killing them he was not really punishing
them?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I don't think any of what has happened gives anyone permission to
point a finger at God. But as to the question about "punishing
them", there are far worse things than death. If you were a believer
you'd already know that.
Another abortion supporter?
--
Saddam has continued to produce them, that he has existing and active
military plans for the use of chemical and biological weapons, which
could be activated within 45 minutes
- Tony Blair on Saddam 24/9/02
"For a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed one of the
great and enduring alliances of modern times."
George W Bush -Tokyo, Japan, Feb. 18, 2002
suicide bombing is not a belief
-CrazyAlec (internet spook)
"I hear there's rumors on the Internets"
- George W Bush -Oct. 9, 2004
Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to
kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn
them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the
feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us
crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues here and
there, I don't care. -- Ariel Sharon, interviewed by Amos Oz (published
in the Israeli daily Davar, DEC 17, 1982
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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10 Jan 2005 11:27:02 AM |
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thomas p <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in
news:h5bvt09ta2uuhif9foaemq0g3eu07sth5h@4ax.com:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 23:52:46 -0000, No 33 Secretary
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:348l36F472b9sU1@individual.net:
Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:348kn9F47t0moU1@individual.net...
Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
Will you atheists get off your bandwagon about how if there
is a
God he is directly responsible for this tsuamni. Certainly as a
*Yawn*
So this is where you explain that god punished thousands and
thousands of innocents to punish the misbehaving amongst us?
Can you imagine a court sentencing YOU to death for the crimes of
the rest of us? Would you consider that reasonable? Why does god
have to test us? If he created us, if is really knows us, if he is
*all-knowing*, he DOESN'T need to test us because he ALREADY KNOWS
how we will respond. God is apparently *all-powerful*, he can
(apparently) make us virtual just the same he (apparently) made
people evil. Why make people evil in the first place? There is no
reason for it.
You POV is so full of holes that I am surprised you didn't spot
them while writing it.
Death is only final for you, If you read the whole post you would
see that final end.
BTW, Are you saying to don't consider drowing, or being smashed to
smithereens on trees, houses, rocks etc, to be punishment?
If you believe in heaven, no, death is not punishment. You really
should learn about something before you talk trash about it. Makes you
look stoopid when you talk ***** like that.
I mean, it's not like there isn't plenty of stuff that's true about
Christainity to condemn it for.
When god punished people by killing them he was not really punishing
them?
Those, of course, went to hell. Death isn't a punishment, an eternity in
hell (which is, biblically, the absence of God, and not much more) is
punishment.
Sign me up for that punishment right away. Can't imagine spending eternity
in the presence of a psychotic ***** like the Christian God.
But at least I know *why* Christanity is evil. You, on the other hand,
apparently can't tell your ***** from a hole in the ground, even with your
thumb.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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| User: "CQMMAN" |
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07 Jan 2005 05:41:26 PM |
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Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
"CQMMAN" <cqmman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:348kn9F47t0moU1@individual.net...
Randy Story <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
Will you atheists get off your bandwagon about how if there is a
God he is directly responsible for this tsuamni. Certainly as a
*Yawn*
So this is where you explain that god punished thousands and
thousands of innocents to punish the misbehaving amongst us?
Can you imagine a court sentencing YOU to death for the crimes of
the rest of us? Would you consider that reasonable? Why does god
have to test us? If he created us, if is really knows us, if he is
*all-knowing*, he DOESN'T need to test us because he ALREADY KNOWS
how we will respond. God is apparently *all-powerful*, he can
(apparently) make us virtual just the same he (apparently) made
people evil. Why make people evil in the first place? There is no
reason for it.
You POV is so full of holes that I am surprised you didn't spot them
while writing it.
Death is only final for you, If you read the whole post you would see
that final end.
Again, you missed the main point. The whole thing (testing us) is COMPLETELY
unnecessary. Why does god need to test when he knows the answer (because he
made us that way)?
--
Saddam has continued to produce them, that he has existing and active
military plans for the use of chemical and biological weapons, which
could be activated within 45 minutes
- Tony Blair on Saddam 24/9/02
"For a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed one of the
great and enduring alliances of modern times."
George W Bush -Tokyo, Japan, Feb. 18, 2002
suicide bombing is not a belief
-CrazyAlec (internet spook)
"I hear there's rumors on the Internets"
- George W Bush -Oct. 9, 2004
Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to
kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn
them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the
feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us
crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues here and
there, I don't care. -- Ariel Sharon, interviewed by Amos Oz (published
in the Israeli daily Davar, DEC 17, 1982
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| User: "Crazyalec" |
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07 Jan 2005 06:44:21 PM |
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CQ, are you angry because your father fucked you in da *****?
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| User: "georgann" |
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07 Jan 2005 08:06:12 PM |
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CQMMAN wrote:
So this is where you explain that god punished thousands and thousands of
innocents to punish the misbehaving amongst us?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you think sin is about behavior?
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'
http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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08 Jan 2005 06:08:51 PM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BE04AA41.45649%chenault@mindspring.com...
CQMMAN wrote:
So this is where you explain that god punished thousands and thousands of
innocents to punish the misbehaving amongst us?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you think sin is about behavior?
No, I think sin is a construct of christianity and doesn't apply to people
that don't believe in it.
Tell me, do you think all those thousands of children that died deserved it
due to their "behavior"?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: God not to blame! |
09 Jan 2005 03:17:33 AM |
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In article <34bb0iF47lhsnU1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BE04AA41.45649%chenault@mindspring.com...
CQMMAN wrote:
So this is where you explain that god punished thousands and thousands of
innocents to punish the misbehaving amongst us?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you think sin is about behavior?
No, I think sin is a construct of christianity and doesn't apply to people
that don't believe in it.
Tell me, do you think all those thousands of children that died deserved it
due to their "behavior"?
Oh no, Robyn, they are going to tell us that because of the alleged
behavior of some people supposedly named Adam and Eve believed to have
taken place some 6000 years ago presumably has caused each child born
after that to have been born into something called 'sin'. Therefore,
because of the alleged ancient misdeed, all those kids deserved to die,
so they would have us believe.
Now isn't that special?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: God not to blame! |
09 Jan 2005 09:17:28 AM |
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"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-72E3A9.01173309012005@news.giganews.com...
In article <34bb0iF47lhsnU1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BE04AA41.45649%chenault@mindspring.com...
CQMMAN wrote:
So this is where you explain that god punished thousands and thousands
of
innocents to punish the misbehaving amongst us?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you think sin is about behavior?
No, I think sin is a construct of christianity and doesn't apply to
people
that don't believe in it.
Tell me, do you think all those thousands of children that died deserved
it
due to their "behavior"?
Oh no, Robyn, they are going to tell us that because of the alleged
behavior of some people supposedly named Adam and Eve believed to have
taken place some 6000 years ago presumably has caused each child born
after that to have been born into something called 'sin'. Therefore,
because of the alleged ancient misdeed, all those kids deserved to die,
so they would have us believe.
Now isn't that special?
Blech! :P
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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