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15 Apr 2007 12:19:21 AM |
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god series, part one, god of the day |
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god אלהים
1. The usual word for god in the Hebrew Bible is ĕlōhîm, a plural
formation of ĕloah, the latter being an expanded form of the Common Semitic
noun il (Eloah),
Notice, there is no doubt about the word being a plural.
The term ĕlōhîm occurs some 2570 times in the Hebrew Bible, with multiple
meanings, In such expressions as "all the gods of Egypt" (Exod l2:l2) it
refers to a plurality of deities without any direct association with their
images.
More frequently, the word he used in a singular situation. As in Chemosh
is the ĕlōhîm of Moab (l Kgs ll:33); the plural here is a plural of
excellence or of majesty (Joüon/Muraoka § l36d),
In reality, there's no reason to make such an assumption. We do not find
the royal we in common usage until after the Roman Empire. There is some
speculation that the royal we may have been used during the decline of the
Roman empire, does anyone have any information on this?
The word is generic, it can be used as an absolute when used as a proper
name(the god Gen 5:22)
Since the Israelite concept of divinity included all preternatural
beings, also lower deities (in modern usage referred to as spirits, angels,
demons, semi-gods, and the like) may be called ĕlōhîm, Thus the teraphim
(Gen 3l: 30.32), anonymous heavenly beings (Ps 8:6; LXX oi), and the
spirits of the dead (l Sam 28:l3) are referred to as gods, Other Hebrew
words for god are el (El) and ĕloah. Though both are used as proper names
("El your father", Gen 49:25; "Can mortal man be righteous before Eloah",
Job 4:l7), they can also have generic meaning; in the latter case they are
more or less interchangeable with ĕlōhîm. Gods can also be collectively
referrd to with the constructions bĕnê ĕlōhîm (Ps 29:l; 89:7), bĕnê Elyôn
(Gen 6:2; Job l:6; 2:l; 38:7; cf, Deut 32:8 4QDeut,), or bĕnê Elyôn (Ps
82:6). The latter expression (the sons of Elyon) suggests the possibility
that the second element of the construction be understood as a proper name
of a single deity, so that the expressions compare with Ug. and Phoen. bn
il(m( the sons of El (Mullen l980:ll7-ll9; KAI 0. 26A iii l9, and
commentary in KAI II, p, 43), In view of the Ugaritic formula, the plural
ĕlōhîm Pss 29:l and 89:7 may have to be interpreted as the proper name El
followed by enclitic mem. The expression ădat ēl (the council of El, Ps
82:1) might be taken in corroboration of that possibility (Council).
This series will continue, hopefully uninterrupted at the rate of one a
day. It gets rather interesting one to get into the various gods that are
known as god, and will include the entire Middle Eastern region, which of
course influenced the Hebrew mythology.
walksalone who has had fun, & is having fun, exposing the shallow
foundations of the xian myth, as well as the other revealed gods of the
desert.
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: god series, part one, god of the day |
15 Apr 2007 11:54:38 AM |
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"walksalone" <walksalone@dastardly,dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc> wrote in
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god ?????
1. The usual word for god in the Hebrew Bible is elohm, a plural
formation of eloah, the latter being an expanded form of the Common
Semitic
noun il (Eloah),
Notice, there is no doubt about the word being a plural.
The term elohm occurs some 2570 times in the Hebrew Bible, with multiple
meanings, In such expressions as "all the gods of Egypt" (Exod l2:l2) it
refers to a plurality of deities without any direct association with their
images.
More frequently, the word he used in a singular situation. As in Chemosh
is the elohm of Moab (l Kgs ll:33); the plural here is a plural of
excellence or of majesty (Joon/Muraoka l36d),
In reality, there's no reason to make such an assumption. We do not find
the royal we in common usage until after the Roman Empire. There is some
speculation that the royal we may have been used during the decline of the
Roman empire, does anyone have any information on this?
The word is generic, it can be used as an absolute when used as a proper
name(the god Gen 5:22)
Since the Israelite concept of divinity included all preternatural
beings, also lower deities (in modern usage referred to as spirits,
angels,
demons, semi-gods, and the like) may be called elohm, Thus the teraphim
(Gen 3l: 30.32), anonymous heavenly beings (Ps 8:6; LXX oi), and the
spirits of the dead (l Sam 28:l3) are referred to as gods, Other Hebrew
words for god are el (El) and eloah. Though both are used as proper names
("El your father", Gen 49:25; "Can mortal man be righteous before
Eloah",
Job 4:l7), they can also have generic meaning; in the latter case they are
more or less interchangeable with elohm. Gods can also be collectively
referrd to with the constructions ben elohm (Ps 29:l; 89:7), ben Elyn
(Gen 6:2; Job l:6; 2:l; 38:7; cf, Deut 32:8 4QDeut,), or ben Elyn (Ps
82:6). The latter expression (the sons of Elyon) suggests the possibility
that the second element of the construction be understood as a proper name
of a single deity, so that the expressions compare with Ug. and Phoen. bn
il(m( the sons of El (Mullen l980:ll7-ll9; KAI 0. 26A iii l9, and
commentary in KAI II, p, 43), In view of the Ugaritic formula, the plural
elohm Pss 29:l and 89:7 may have to be interpreted as the proper name El
followed by enclitic mem. The expression adat el (the council of El, Ps
82:1) might be taken in corroboration of that possibility (Council).
This series will continue, hopefully uninterrupted at the rate of one a
day. It gets rather interesting one to get into the various gods that are
known as god, and will include the entire Middle Eastern region, which of
course influenced the Hebrew mythology.
walksalone who has had fun, & is having fun, exposing the shallow
foundations of the xian myth, as well as the other revealed gods of the
desert.
Terrific bit of informative, scholarly posting. You go get em', tiger!!
Greywolf
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: god series, part one, god of the day |
15 Apr 2007 02:41:33 PM |
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Unfortunately 99.99& of religionists have never received a real biblical
education. they just believe what their preacher tells them.
"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
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"walksalone" <walksalone@dastardly,dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc> wrote
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god ?????
1. The usual word for god in the Hebrew Bible is elohm, a plural
formation of eloah, the latter being an expanded form of the Common
Semitic
noun il (Eloah),
Notice, there is no doubt about the word being a plural.
The term elohm occurs some 2570 times in the Hebrew Bible, with multiple
meanings, In such expressions as "all the gods of Egypt" (Exod l2:l2) it
refers to a plurality of deities without any direct association with
their
images.
More frequently, the word he used in a singular situation. As in Chemosh
is the elohm of Moab (l Kgs ll:33); the plural here is a plural of
excellence or of majesty (Joon/Muraoka l36d),
In reality, there's no reason to make such an assumption. We do not find
the royal we in common usage until after the Roman Empire. There is some
speculation that the royal we may have been used during the decline of
the
Roman empire, does anyone have any information on this?
The word is generic, it can be used as an absolute when used as a proper
name(the god Gen 5:22)
Since the Israelite concept of divinity included all preternatural
beings, also lower deities (in modern usage referred to as spirits,
angels,
demons, semi-gods, and the like) may be called elohm, Thus the teraphim
(Gen 3l: 30.32), anonymous heavenly beings (Ps 8:6; LXX oi), and the
spirits of the dead (l Sam 28:l3) are referred to as gods, Other Hebrew
words for god are el (El) and eloah. Though both are used as proper names
("El your father", Gen 49:25; "Can mortal man be righteous before
Eloah",
Job 4:l7), they can also have generic meaning; in the latter case they
are
more or less interchangeable with elohm. Gods can also be collectively
referrd to with the constructions ben elohm (Ps 29:l; 89:7), ben Elyn
(Gen 6:2; Job l:6; 2:l; 38:7; cf, Deut 32:8 4QDeut,), or ben Elyn (Ps
82:6). The latter expression (the sons of Elyon) suggests the possibility
that the second element of the construction be understood as a proper
name
of a single deity, so that the expressions compare with Ug. and Phoen. bn
il(m( the sons of El (Mullen l980:ll7-ll9; KAI 0. 26A iii l9, and
commentary in KAI II, p, 43), In view of the Ugaritic formula, the plural
elohm Pss 29:l and 89:7 may have to be interpreted as the proper name El
followed by enclitic mem. The expression adat el (the council of El, Ps
82:1) might be taken in corroboration of that possibility (Council).
This series will continue, hopefully uninterrupted at the rate of one a
day. It gets rather interesting one to get into the various gods that
are
known as god, and will include the entire Middle Eastern region, which of
course influenced the Hebrew mythology.
walksalone who has had fun, & is having fun, exposing the shallow
foundations of the xian myth, as well as the other revealed gods of the
desert.
Terrific bit of informative, scholarly posting. You go get em', tiger!!
Greywolf
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: god series, part one, god of the day |
15 Apr 2007 08:51:57 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Unfortunately 99.99& of religionists have never received a real biblical
education. they just believe what their preacher tells them.
Absolutely!! I noticed that only one clergyman out my way is acting like a
noble-minded 'man of the cloth'. Nothing but silence from the others in the
area. The fact that I am on the receiving end of a rather extreme form of
pariah/leper treatment on the part of the community leads me to believe that
the clergy in the area are *not* speaking out such hate-mongering and
intolerance. For all *I* know, they could actually be *encouraging* it! My
mistreatment could conceivably come to an end if the clergy railed out
against it, don't you think?
The heartless dirt-bags!
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god ?????
1. The usual word for god in the Hebrew Bible is elohm, a plural
formation of eloah, the latter being an expanded form of the Common
Semitic
noun il (Eloah),
Notice, there is no doubt about the word being a plural.
The term elohm occurs some 2570 times in the Hebrew Bible, with
multiple
meanings, In such expressions as "all the gods of Egypt" (Exod l2:l2) it
refers to a plurality of deities without any direct association with
their
images.
More frequently, the word he used in a singular situation. As in
Chemosh
is the elohm of Moab (l Kgs ll:33); the plural here is a plural of
excellence or of majesty (Joon/Muraoka l36d),
In reality, there's no reason to make such an assumption. We do not
find
the royal we in common usage until after the Roman Empire. There is
some
speculation that the royal we may have been used during the decline of
the
Roman empire, does anyone have any information on this?
The word is generic, it can be used as an absolute when used as a proper
name(the god Gen 5:22)
Since the Israelite concept of divinity included all preternatural
beings, also lower deities (in modern usage referred to as spirits,
angels,
demons, semi-gods, and the like) may be called elohm, Thus the teraphim
(Gen 3l: 30.32), anonymous heavenly beings (Ps 8:6; LXX oi), and the
spirits of the dead (l Sam 28:l3) are referred to as gods, Other Hebrew
words for god are el (El) and eloah. Though both are used as proper
names
("El your father", Gen 49:25; "Can mortal man be righteous before
Eloah",
Job 4:l7), they can also have generic meaning; in the latter case they
are
more or less interchangeable with elohm. Gods can also be collectively
referrd to with the constructions ben elohm (Ps 29:l; 89:7), ben
Elyn
(Gen 6:2; Job l:6; 2:l; 38:7; cf, Deut 32:8 4QDeut,), or ben Elyn (Ps
82:6). The latter expression (the sons of Elyon) suggests the
possibility
that the second element of the construction be understood as a proper
name
of a single deity, so that the expressions compare with Ug. and Phoen.
bn
il(m( the sons of El (Mullen l980:ll7-ll9; KAI 0. 26A iii l9, and
commentary in KAI II, p, 43), In view of the Ugaritic formula, the
plural
elohm Pss 29:l and 89:7 may have to be interpreted as the proper name
El
followed by enclitic mem. The expression adat el (the council of El, Ps
82:1) might be taken in corroboration of that possibility (Council).
This series will continue, hopefully uninterrupted at the rate of one a
day. It gets rather interesting one to get into the various gods that
are
known as god, and will include the entire Middle Eastern region, which
of
course influenced the Hebrew mythology.
walksalone who has had fun, & is having fun, exposing the shallow
foundations of the xian myth, as well as the other revealed gods of the
desert.
Terrific bit of informative, scholarly posting. You go get em', tiger!!
Greywolf
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| User: "Jeckyl" |
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| Title: Re: god series, part one, god of the day |
15 Apr 2007 08:59:20 PM |
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"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
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My mistreatment could conceivably come to an end if the clergy railed out
against it, don't you think?
What is happening to you?
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