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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Martin Willett"
Date: 08 Jan 2007 03:23:43 AM
Object: God the Delinquent Father
A major rule of good management and general discipline is to praise in
public and chastise in private.
Another is to make rules clear and punishments certain.
Another is to make punishments follow judgment and the original offence
swiftly, as justice delayed is justice denied and no good ever comes
from brooding over an impending but inevitable punishment.
The Christian god seems to break all these common-sense rules of good
man-management, these basic elements of parent craft.
What kind of a disciplinarian is this god? How would you judge a parent
who made rules for their family and told them to only one apparently
favourite child, never made any show of backing up that child, never
showed up at all for all practical purposes but communicated entirely by
private telephone conversations behind closed doors to the one child but
promised to give all his children a sound beating at some unspecified
future date if the children didn't proclaim their love for him?
Such behaviour, or rather lack of behaviour, would have the appropriate
authorities leaping in to save those neglected and abused children. We
are both the children and the authorities. It is time we took
responsibility for ourselves, made our own rules, had our own system of
justice and stopped listening to the tales of the absent tyrant who is
said to love us and yet would see us face infinite torture for simply
not believing he exists.
How can anybody take this story seriously? How can anybody believe that
a god can communicate with some special people directly, prophets, and
all of these prophets would know the stories of the previous prophets
and nobody who didn't know the stories would be able to receive the
messages. Come on, think about that one for moment without “knowing”
that there must be a perfectly good explanation even if you can't
actually think what it might be. It stinks. Doesn't it?
It stinks in just the same way as stories about children's invisible
friends stink. It is an extraordinary claim which must surely only be
believed if there was extraordinary proof. Why does Mr Snuggles only
speak to the only child who can see him? Why doesn't Mr Snuggles ever
talk to people who don't think he's real? Why does Mr Snuggles not know
about the invisible friends other children have? Have you ever known one
child's invisible friend talk to another child's invisible friend? It is
strange that being invisible and only talking to children who believe in
them is something invisible friends (and one-and-only-gods) have in
common and yet they never seem to talk to each other.
Have you ever asked a Christian why their invisible friend doesn't talk
to Abdul's invisible friend? The answer seems to be that they deny the
existence (or identity) of each other's invisible friend and dismiss
each other's “experiences”, “answered prayers” and “miracles”. Just like
children.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
.

User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

Title: Re: God the Delinquent Father 09 Jan 2007 07:17:33 PM
"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:50egsmF1d6ftdU1@mid.individual.net...

A major rule of good management and general discipline is to praise in
public and chastise in private.

Another is to make rules clear and punishments certain.

Another is to make punishments follow judgment and the original offence
swiftly, as justice delayed is justice denied and no good ever comes from
brooding over an impending but inevitable punishment.

The Christian god seems to break all these common-sense rules of good
man-management, these basic elements of parent craft.

yea, the christian god certainly is an idiotic jerk
.
User: ""

Title: Re: God the Delinquent Father 10 Jan 2007 01:32:06 AM
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:

"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:50egsmF1d6ftdU1@mid.individual.net...

A major rule of good management and general discipline is to praise in
public and chastise in private.

Another is to make rules clear and punishments certain.

Another is to make punishments follow judgment and the original offence
swiftly, as justice delayed is justice denied and no good ever comes from
brooding over an impending but inevitable punishment.

The Christian god seems to break all these common-sense rules of good
man-management, these basic elements of parent craft.



yea, the christian god certainly is an idiotic jerk

sheblewyourpreciousjewels wrote: > yea, the christian god certainly is
an idiotic jerk
....well said hateful one
(I am sorry Lord to add rebellion to these people full of hate, by
saying: sheblewyourpreciousjewels, what I should have said was:
sheblewyourpreciousjewels and when you blew your load this ho didn't
even turn her face instead she only changed the location of your white
paste from one side of her tongue to the other until her tongue got
sore and thus finally she made haste to swallow that white paste).
Talkin about a ***** milkin the clock for more. This ***** milks it
till her tongue and lips are sore. Talk about a mouth full of sorrow,
perhaps better to take it in your ***** tommorrow...
http://www.ministernotes.com
.
User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

Title: Re: God the Delinquent Father 10 Jan 2007 06:48:53 AM
<ministernotes@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1168414326.820726.96840@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...


SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:

"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:50egsmF1d6ftdU1@mid.individual.net...

A major rule of good management and general discipline is to praise in
public and chastise in private.

Another is to make rules clear and punishments certain.

Another is to make punishments follow judgment and the original offence
swiftly, as justice delayed is justice denied and no good ever comes
from
brooding over an impending but inevitable punishment.

The Christian god seems to break all these common-sense rules of good
man-management, these basic elements of parent craft.



yea, the christian god certainly is an idiotic jerk



sheblewyourpreciousjewels wrote: > yea, the christian god certainly is
an idiotic jerk

...well said hateful one

(I am sorry Lord to add rebellion to these people full of hate, by
saying: sheblewyourpreciousjewels, what I should have said was:
sheblewyourpreciousjewels and when you blew your load this ho didn't
even turn her face instead she only changed the location of your white
paste from one side of her tongue to the other until her tongue got
sore and thus finally she made haste to swallow that white paste).

Talkin about a ***** milkin the clock for more. This ***** milks it
till her tongue and lips are sore. Talk about a mouth full of sorrow,
perhaps better to take it in your ***** tommorrow...

LMAO, I must have hit a nerve
here's a question for you, why do you worship a MASS-MURDERING,
CHILD-KILLING COLD-HEARTED ***** sky pixie?
.

User: "Heywood Jablomi"

Title: Re: God the Delinquent Father 10 Jan 2007 02:33:23 PM
wrote in message
<1168414326.820726.96840@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>

(I am sorry Lord to add rebellion to these people full of hate, by
saying: sheblewyourpreciousjewels, what I should have said was:
sheblewyourpreciousjewels and when you blew your load this ho didn't
even turn her face instead she only changed the location of your white
paste from one side of her tongue to the other until her tongue got
sore and thus finally she made haste to swallow that white paste).

Talkin about a ***** milkin the clock for more. This ***** milks it
till her tongue and lips are sore. Talk about a mouth full of sorrow,
perhaps better to take it in your ***** tommorrow...

Well, now that we have read your eloquently expressed hopes and dreams, perhaps
you would do us the favor of getting back to the point?
--
If I was in charge of the universe, St Jude's
Hospital for Children would not need to exist
[ Followup-To: alt.religion.christian ]
.



User: ""

Title: Re: God the Delinquent Father 08 Jan 2007 02:36:56 PM
....
Martin Willett wrote:

A major rule of good management and general discipline is to praise in
public and chastise in private.

Another is to make rules clear and punishments certain.

Another is to make punishments follow judgment and the original offence
swiftly, as justice delayed is justice denied and no good ever comes
from brooding over an impending but inevitable punishment.

The Christian god seems to break all these common-sense rules of good
man-management, these basic elements of parent craft.

What kind of a disciplinarian is this god? How would you judge a parent
who made rules for their family and told them to only one apparently
favourite child, never made any show of backing up that child, never
showed up at all for all practical purposes but communicated entirely by
private telephone conversations behind closed doors to the one child but
promised to give all his children a sound beating at some unspecified
future date if the children didn't proclaim their love for him?

Such behaviour, or rather lack of behaviour, would have the appropriate
authorities leaping in to save those neglected and abused children. We
are both the children and the authorities. It is time we took
responsibility for ourselves, made our own rules, had our own system of
justice and stopped listening to the tales of the absent tyrant who is
said to love us and yet would see us face infinite torture for simply
not believing he exists.

How can anybody take this story seriously? How can anybody believe that
a god can communicate with some special people directly, prophets, and
all of these prophets would know the stories of the previous prophets
and nobody who didn't know the stories would be able to receive the
messages. Come on, think about that one for moment without "knowing"
that there must be a perfectly good explanation even if you can't
actually think what it might be. It stinks. Doesn't it?

It stinks in just the same way as stories about children's invisible
friends stink. It is an extraordinary claim which must surely only be
believed if there was extraordinary proof. Why does Mr Snuggles only
speak to the only child who can see him? Why doesn't Mr Snuggles ever
talk to people who don't think he's real? Why does Mr Snuggles not know
about the invisible friends other children have? Have you ever known one
child's invisible friend talk to another child's invisible friend? It is
strange that being invisible and only talking to children who believe in
them is something invisible friends (and one-and-only-gods) have in
common and yet they never seem to talk to each other.

Have you ever asked a Christian why their invisible friend doesn't talk
to Abdul's invisible friend? The answer seems to be that they deny the
existence (or identity) of each other's invisible friend and dismiss
each other's "experiences", "answered prayers" and "miracles". Just like
children.
--

Martin Willett


http://mwillett.org/

Poor cry baby Martin upset about the powers of God, does Martin think
these here words of his-- might take the power of God away?
Another example of an ignorant person trying to overcome God. There are
many types of low-life's in the world--God knows!!!
What great works be Martin doing? Please Marty tell us here on this
message board about some of the precious fruits of your works? Can you
tell us the hope of your calling? Tell us of perhaps your great mercy
or charity or kindness that you show others? Please hurry Marty tell us
before you pass on into the next life. My spirit tells me you are a
very old man.
http://www.ministernotes.com
.
User: "Martin Willett"

Title: Re: God the Delinquent Father 08 Jan 2007 03:05:19 PM


Poor cry baby Martin upset about the powers of God, does Martin think
these here words of his-- might take the power of God away?

No. I do not believe in any gods, no matter how much you think I am
really secretly both hating and scared of your god. The idea that I
could believe in your god and yet do what I am doing doesn't even begin
to make sense. I would have to be stark-staring bonkers to do this if I
believed your vengeful hateful god was real. Have you ever used logic in
your thinking?


Another example of an ignorant person trying to overcome God. There are
many types of low-life's in the world--God knows!!!

What great works be Martin doing? Please Marty tell us here on this
message board about some of the precious fruits of your works? Can you
tell us the hope of your calling? Tell us of perhaps your great mercy
or charity or kindness that you show others? Please hurry Marty tell us
before you pass on into the next life. My spirit tells me you are a
very old man.

You have no spirit, you are the temporary patterns made in your brain.
Stop wasting your life and blighting the lives of other people with your
superstitious dangerous nonsense about gods, spirits and hells.
The good I am doing is spreading the word that there is nobody guarding
the cage. If you want to be free of the fear of gods and hells and
oppressive judgement by figments of other people's imagination then all
you have to do is let go of those crazy beliefs. There is nothing to
fear except fear itself. People can live happy, healthy and more moral
lives without fearing the wrath of a supernatural tyrant.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
.
User: ""

Title: Re: God the Delinquent Father 08 Jan 2007 11:54:04 PM
snip...Martin Willett wrote
No. I do not believe in any gods, no matter how much you think I am

really secretly both hating and scared of your god. The idea that I
could believe in your god and yet do what I am doing doesn't even begin
to make sense. I would have to be stark-staring bonkers to do this if I
believed your vengeful hateful god was real. Have you ever used logic in
your thinking?

.....Acts 20:30 Even from among yourselves men will arise and distort
the truth, to draw away the disciples after them to their own party.
http://www.ministernotes.com
.


User: "Christopher A.Lee"

Title: Re: God the Delinquent Father 08 Jan 2007 02:58:51 PM
On 8 Jan 2007 12:36:56 -0800,
wrote:


...
Martin Willett wrote:

A major rule of good management and general discipline is to praise in
public and chastise in private.

Another is to make rules clear and punishments certain.

Another is to make punishments follow judgment and the original offence
swiftly, as justice delayed is justice denied and no good ever comes
from brooding over an impending but inevitable punishment.

The Christian god seems to break all these common-sense rules of good
man-management, these basic elements of parent craft.

What kind of a disciplinarian is this god? How would you judge a parent
who made rules for their family and told them to only one apparently
favourite child, never made any show of backing up that child, never
showed up at all for all practical purposes but communicated entirely by
private telephone conversations behind closed doors to the one child but
promised to give all his children a sound beating at some unspecified
future date if the children didn't proclaim their love for him?

Such behaviour, or rather lack of behaviour, would have the appropriate
authorities leaping in to save those neglected and abused children. We
are both the children and the authorities. It is time we took
responsibility for ourselves, made our own rules, had our own system of
justice and stopped listening to the tales of the absent tyrant who is
said to love us and yet would see us face infinite torture for simply
not believing he exists.

How can anybody take this story seriously? How can anybody believe that
a god can communicate with some special people directly, prophets, and
all of these prophets would know the stories of the previous prophets
and nobody who didn't know the stories would be able to receive the
messages. Come on, think about that one for moment without "knowing"
that there must be a perfectly good explanation even if you can't
actually think what it might be. It stinks. Doesn't it?

It stinks in just the same way as stories about children's invisible
friends stink. It is an extraordinary claim which must surely only be
believed if there was extraordinary proof. Why does Mr Snuggles only
speak to the only child who can see him? Why doesn't Mr Snuggles ever
talk to people who don't think he's real? Why does Mr Snuggles not know
about the invisible friends other children have? Have you ever known one
child's invisible friend talk to another child's invisible friend? It is
strange that being invisible and only talking to children who believe in
them is something invisible friends (and one-and-only-gods) have in
common and yet they never seem to talk to each other.

Have you ever asked a Christian why their invisible friend doesn't talk
to Abdul's invisible friend? The answer seems to be that they deny the
existence (or identity) of each other's invisible friend and dismiss
each other's "experiences", "answered prayers" and "miracles". Just like
children.
--

Martin Willett


http://mwillett.org/




Poor cry baby Martin upset about the powers of God, does Martin think
these here words of his-- might take the power of God away?

Are you really this stupid, or just pretending? He's talking about a
figment of your deluded imagination, in "assuming for the sake of
argument" mode. But then you already knew that and were being
deliberately stupid.
What is it with you morons?
.

User: "Michael Rippie"

Title: Re: God the Delinquent Father 08 Jan 2007 09:08:44 PM
On 8 Jan 2007 12:36:56 -0800,
wrote:

Poor cry baby Martin upset about the powers of God?

http://www.climatecrisis.net/
.
User: ""

Title: Re: God the Delinquent Father 08 Jan 2007 11:12:42 PM
Michael Rippie wrote:

On 8 Jan 2007 12:36:56 -0800,

wrote:

Poor cry baby Martin upset about the powers of God?


http://www.climatecrisis.net/

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Poor cry baby Martin upset about the powers of God?

http://www.climatecrisis.net/
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Ezekiel 24:6-14 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain
6Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the bloody city, to the pot
whose scum is therein, and whose scum is not gone out of it! bring it
out piece by piece; let no lot fall upon it.
7For her blood is in the midst of her; she set it upon the top of a
rock; she poured it not upon the ground, to cover it with dust;
8That it might cause fury to come up to take vengeance; I have set her
blood upon the top of a rock, that it should not be covered.
9Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the bloody city! I will
even make the pile for fire great.
10Heap on wood, kindle the fire, consume the flesh, and spice it well,
and let the bones be burned.
11Then set it empty upon the coals thereof, that the brass of it may
be hot, and may burn, and that the filthiness of it may be molten in
it, that the scum of it may be consumed.
12She hath wearied herself with lies, and her great scum went not
forth out of her: her scum shall be in the fire.
13In thy filthiness is lewdness: because I have purged thee, and thou
wast not purged, thou shalt not be purged from thy filthiness any more,
till I have caused my fury to rest upon thee.
14I the LORD have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it;
I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent;
according to thy ways, and according to thy doings, shall they judge
thee, saith the Lord GOD.
http://www.ministernotes.com
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User: "Michael Rippie"

Title: Re: God the Delinquent Father 09 Jan 2007 03:37:07 AM
On 8 Jan 2007 21:12:42 -0800,
wrote:

http://www.ministernotes.com

Did you say something?
..
.
User: ""

Title: Re: God the Delinquent Father 10 Jan 2007 01:40:10 AM
Michael Rippie wrote:

On 8 Jan 2007 21:12:42 -0800,

wrote:

http://www.ministernotes.com


Did you say something?



....Yes I did, I said that your sister dumbed me when you and her
started dating.
.

User: "Martin Willett"

Title: Re: God the Delinquent Father 09 Jan 2007 04:45:46 PM
Michael Rippie wrote:

On 8 Jan 2007 21:12:42 -0800,

wrote:

http://www.ministernotes.com


Did you say something?

No, a whole bunch of crazy quotations and a link to a *****-awful
website. That isn't the way to do it, is it?
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
.





User: "ernobe"

Title: Re: God the Delinquent Father 08 Jan 2007 11:18:19 AM
On Jan 8, 3:23 am, Martin Willett <mwillett....@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Why does Mr Snuggles only
speak to the only child who can see him? Why doesn't Mr Snuggles ever
talk to people who don't think he's real? Why does Mr Snuggles not know
about the invisible friends other children have? Have you ever known one
child's invisible friend talk to another child's invisible friend? It is
strange that being invisible and only talking to children who believe in
them is something invisible friends (and one-and-only-gods) have in
common and yet they never seem to talk to each other.

You mean why don't their invisible friends talk to their gods? I
wouldn't be surprised at all if that is your experience, especially if
you read the atheists at alt.atheism regularly. Of course, how should
I know, after all, you haven't told us much about your favorite friend
Mr. Snuggles.
.


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