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"Xtrchessreal" |
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03 Feb 2006 03:46:31 AM |
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Godly evidence for Atheists...What would it take? |
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
For example, I believe I would need to see the so called entity perform
two things. These are just now off the top of my head.
1) In a matter of minutes create a new section of our current universe
(from nothing, i.e. no matter, no energy) right next to our solar
system so our scientists could prove its existence yet without harming
anyone on this planet by doing so.
2) Also in a matter of minutes but for eternity afterward make everyone
on this planet get along happily with everyone else but without using a
mind trick so that we still can have all of our individuality and
uniqueness. That should be readily noticible without the need for a
scientist to verify.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Godly evidence for Atheists...What would it take? |
05 Feb 2006 05:37:23 PM |
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"Xtrchessreal" <markgharrison@comcast.net> wrote in
news:1138959991.514064.305590@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
I've said it before, it would take an undeniable miracle: for instance, a
theist having an original thought...
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Dems say Repubs imperil civil liberties. David Koresh and Elian
Gonzalez were not available for comment." - Anon.
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| User: "Woden" |
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03 Feb 2006 06:49:12 AM |
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"Xtrchessreal" <markgharrison@comcast.net> wrote in
news:1138959991.514064.305590@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
For example, I believe I would need to see the so called entity perform
two things. These are just now off the top of my head.
1) In a matter of minutes create a new section of our current universe
(from nothing, i.e. no matter, no energy) right next to our solar
system so our scientists could prove its existence yet without harming
anyone on this planet by doing so.
2) Also in a matter of minutes but for eternity afterward make everyone
on this planet get along happily with everyone else but without using a
mind trick so that we still can have all of our individuality and
uniqueness. That should be readily noticible without the need for a
scientist to verify.
Somehow, I doubt if these imaginary beings called gods are ever going to
provide anyone with any real evidence...
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Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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03 Feb 2006 04:30:14 PM |
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"Xtrchessreal" <markgharrison@comcast.net> wrote in
news:1138959991.514064.305590@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
Steak and a ***** from the Big G itself.
If the bugger can knock up a virgin, he can fucking blow me without a
problem. Not like I'm insisting on something impossible like getting me
laid.
Better be a damn good steak, though.
--
Doc Smartass XP - New Interface, Same Old *****
Keep THOR in THURSDAY!
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Godly evidence for Atheists...What would it take? |
03 Feb 2006 06:38:23 PM |
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On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 22:30:14 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <Xns975FA861BB99Easkifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>
"Xtrchessreal" <markgharrison@comcast.net> wrote in
news:1138959991.514064.305590@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
Steak and a ***** from the Big G itself.
If the bugger can knock up a virgin, he can fucking blow me without a
problem. Not like I'm insisting on something impossible like getting me
laid.
Better be a damn good steak, though.
Never had a wet dream?
That just leaves the steak...
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: Godly evidence for Atheists...What would it take? |
03 Feb 2006 08:32:49 PM |
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Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in
news:brt7u1tov6q2mod65fp4igeqfob6iq1aiv@4ax.com:
On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 22:30:14 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <Xns975FA861BB99Easkifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>
"Xtrchessreal" <markgharrison@comcast.net> wrote in
news:1138959991.514064.305590@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
Steak and a ***** from the Big G itself.
If the bugger can knock up a virgin, he can fucking blow me without a
problem. Not like I'm insisting on something impossible like getting me
laid.
Better be a damn good steak, though.
Never had a wet dream?
I have to be awake or it doesn't count. ;p~~~~~
That just leaves the steak...
Better be good!
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Doc Smartass XP - New Interface, Same Old *****
Keep THOR in THURSDAY!
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| User: "stoney" |
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04 Feb 2006 04:56:23 PM |
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On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 02:32:49 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in
news:brt7u1tov6q2mod65fp4igeqfob6iq1aiv@4ax.com:
On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 22:30:14 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <Xns975FA861BB99Easkifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>
"Xtrchessreal" <markgharrison@comcast.net> wrote in
news:1138959991.514064.305590@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
Steak and a ***** from the Big G itself.
If the bugger can knock up a virgin, he can fucking blow me without a
problem. Not like I'm insisting on something impossible like getting me
laid.
Better be a damn good steak, though.
Never had a wet dream?
I have to be awake or it doesn't count. ;p~~~~~
That just leaves the steak...
Better be good!
As cheap as the Xtian Daemon God is it will be a stake.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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03 Feb 2006 12:53:45 PM |
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"Xtrchessreal" <markgharrison@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1138959991.514064.305590@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
Objective, veriable evidence.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "bob young" |
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03 Feb 2006 10:42:03 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Xtrchessreal" <markgharrison@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1138959991.514064.305590@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
Objective, veriable evidence.
Just one piece would be OK for starters
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Godly evidence for Atheists...What would it take? |
03 Feb 2006 01:18:51 PM |
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"Xtrchessreal" <markgharrison@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1138959991.514064.305590@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
There's a big problem. If it could be established that such a thing existed,
then knowledge would cease to exist.
Think about it: If an omnipotent being existed, then we would suddenly have
evidence that observations could not be trusted. The omnipotent being could
be manipulating the evidence and observations, and feeding you everything
you experience. You could be a brain in a box, or even less than that.
In such an environment, all bets are off.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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03 Feb 2006 09:18:20 AM |
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In <1138959991.514064.305590@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Xtrchessreal"
<markgharrison@comcast.net> wrote:
Godly evidence for Atheists...What would it take?
Pointless question. The "god" most often in question (the
Judeo-Islamic-Christian one) is said to be omniscient and omnipotent. So
it both knows what evidence would be required to convince each and every
human alive and it is capable of presenting that evidence to each and
every human alive.
So why bother asking the question? By *definition, this being knows even
better than *we what would convince us. That is to say it would know each
and every human better than the human in question knows her or himself.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Katrina aftermath pictures
http://www.nola.com/katrinaphotos/user/
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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03 Feb 2006 01:44:43 PM |
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In article <1138959991.514064.305590@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Xtrchessreal <markgharrison@comcast.net> wrote:
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
I'd settle for a little consistency on the part of said god(s).
-chib
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Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middla Aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "Bill" |
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03 Feb 2006 08:50:20 AM |
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Jesus supposedly came to the world 2,000 years ago, preached his doctrines
and performed miracles to impress everyone, before returning to his heaven.
If there is a real god and he wants the world to follow his rules he should
appear on International TV (or his equivalent) and perform a bunch of
miracles that prove his
power and godliness.
This should be a very easy and simple task for a god creator of the whole
world!
"Xtrchessreal" <markgharrison@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1138959991.514064.305590@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
For example, I believe I would need to see the so called entity perform
two things. These are just now off the top of my head.
1) In a matter of minutes create a new section of our current universe
(from nothing, i.e. no matter, no energy) right next to our solar
system so our scientists could prove its existence yet without harming
anyone on this planet by doing so.
2) Also in a matter of minutes but for eternity afterward make everyone
on this planet get along happily with everyone else but without using a
mind trick so that we still can have all of our individuality and
uniqueness. That should be readily noticible without the need for a
scientist to verify.
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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03 Feb 2006 11:52:03 AM |
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Bill wrote:
Jesus supposedly came to the world 2,000 years ago, preached his
doctrines
and performed miracles to impress everyone, before returning to his
heaven.
You sure?
Mark 4:9-12
9 And he said unto them, "He that hath ears to
hear, let him hear.
10 And when he was alone, they that were about him
with the twelve asked of him the parable.
11 And he said unto them, "Unto you it is given to
know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto
them that are without, all these things are done
in parables:
12 "That seeing they may see, and not perceive;
and hearing they may hear, and not understand;
lest at any time they should be converted, and
their sins should be forgiven them.
Luke 8:9-10
9 And his disciples asked him, saying, What might
this parable be?
10 And he said, "Unto you it is given to know the
mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in
parables; that seeing they might not see, and
hearing they might not understand.
Matthew 13:9-15
9 "Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why
speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, "Because it is
given unto you to know the mysteries of the
kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 "For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and
he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath
not, from him shall be taken away even that he
hath.
13 "Therefore speak I to them in parables: because
they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not,
neither do they understand.
14 "And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of
Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and
shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and
shall not perceive:
15 "For this people's heart is waxed gross, and
their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes
they have closed; lest at any time they should see
with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and
should understand with the their heart, and
should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 "But blessed are your eyes, for they see:
and your ears, for they hear.
17 "For verily I say unto you, That many
prophets and righteous men have desired to
see those things which ye see, and have not
seen them; and to hear those things which ye
hear, and have not heard them.
If there is a real god and he wants the world to follow his rules he
should appear on International TV (or his equivalent) and perform a
bunch of miracles that prove his
power and godliness.
This should be a very easy and simple task for a god creator of the
whole world!
"Xtrchessreal" <markgharrison@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1138959991.514064.305590@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
For example, I believe I would need to see the so called entity
perform
two things. These are just now off the top of my head.
1) In a matter of minutes create a new section of our current universe
(from nothing, i.e. no matter, no energy) right next to our solar
system so our scientists could prove its existence yet without harming
anyone on this planet by doing so.
2) Also in a matter of minutes but for eternity afterward make
everyone on this planet get along happily with everyone else but
without using a mind trick so that we still can have all of our
individuality and
uniqueness. That should be readily noticible without the need for a
scientist to verify.
--
The first law of the false prophet has
always and ever been "Don't laugh!"
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "bob young" |
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03 Feb 2006 10:39:04 PM |
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wbarwell wrote:
Bill wrote:
Jesus supposedly came to the world 2,000 years ago, preached his
doctrines
and performed miracles to impress everyone, before returning to his
heaven.
You sure?
Yes he is sure and I am also sure that the verses below were written by a
human trying to impress and influence other humans, just like you are trying
to do right now.
A god that created everything would hardly need an old book to promote his
influence - right?
Bob
humanist Brit.
Mark 4:9-12
9 And he said unto them, "He that hath ears to
hear, let him hear.
10 And when he was alone, they that were about him
with the twelve asked of him the parable.
11 And he said unto them, "Unto you it is given to
know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto
them that are without, all these things are done
in parables:
12 "That seeing they may see, and not perceive;
and hearing they may hear, and not understand;
lest at any time they should be converted, and
their sins should be forgiven them.
Luke 8:9-10
9 And his disciples asked him, saying, What might
this parable be?
10 And he said, "Unto you it is given to know the
mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in
parables; that seeing they might not see, and
hearing they might not understand.
Matthew 13:9-15
9 "Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why
speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, "Because it is
given unto you to know the mysteries of the
kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 "For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and
he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath
not, from him shall be taken away even that he
hath.
13 "Therefore speak I to them in parables: because
they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not,
neither do they understand.
14 "And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of
Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and
shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and
shall not perceive:
15 "For this people's heart is waxed gross, and
their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes
they have closed; lest at any time they should see
with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and
should understand with the their heart, and
should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 "But blessed are your eyes, for they see:
and your ears, for they hear.
17 "For verily I say unto you, That many
prophets and righteous men have desired to
see those things which ye see, and have not
seen them; and to hear those things which ye
hear, and have not heard them.
If there is a real god and he wants the world to follow his rules he
should appear on International TV (or his equivalent) and perform a
bunch of miracles that prove his
power and godliness.
This should be a very easy and simple task for a god creator of the
whole world!
"Xtrchessreal" <markgharrison@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1138959991.514064.305590@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
For example, I believe I would need to see the so called entity
perform
two things. These are just now off the top of my head.
1) In a matter of minutes create a new section of our current universe
(from nothing, i.e. no matter, no energy) right next to our solar
system so our scientists could prove its existence yet without harming
anyone on this planet by doing so.
2) Also in a matter of minutes but for eternity afterward make
everyone on this planet get along happily with everyone else but
without using a mind trick so that we still can have all of our
individuality and
uniqueness. That should be readily noticible without the need for a
scientist to verify.
--
The first law of the false prophet has
always and ever been "Don't laugh!"
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "bob young" |
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03 Feb 2006 10:36:13 PM |
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Bill wrote:
Jesus supposedly came to the world 2,000 years ago, preached his doctrines
and performed miracles to impress everyone, before returning to his heaven.
If there is a real god and he wants the world to follow his rules he should
appear on International TV (or his equivalent) and perform a bunch of
miracles that prove his
power and godliness.
This should be a very easy and simple task for a god creator of the whole
world!
WOW !!!!
If that happened just imagine how many millions of crucifixes they could sell
then !!!!! [VISA or any card acceptable]
"Xtrchessreal" <markgharrison@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1138959991.514064.305590@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
For example, I believe I would need to see the so called entity perform
two things. These are just now off the top of my head.
1) In a matter of minutes create a new section of our current universe
(from nothing, i.e. no matter, no energy) right next to our solar
system so our scientists could prove its existence yet without harming
anyone on this planet by doing so.
2) Also in a matter of minutes but for eternity afterward make everyone
on this planet get along happily with everyone else but without using a
mind trick so that we still can have all of our individuality and
uniqueness. That should be readily noticible without the need for a
scientist to verify.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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03 Feb 2006 04:37:10 AM |
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On 3 Feb 2006 01:46:31 -0800, "Xtrchessreal"
<markgharrison@comcast.net> wrote:
- Refer: <1138959991.514064.305590@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
For example, I believe I would need to see the so called entity perform
two things. These are just now off the top of my head.
1) In a matter of minutes create a new section of our current universe
(from nothing, i.e. no matter, no energy) right next to our solar
system so our scientists could prove its existence yet without harming
anyone on this planet by doing so.
2) Also in a matter of minutes but for eternity afterward make everyone
on this planet get along happily with everyone else but without using a
mind trick so that we still can have all of our individuality and
uniqueness. That should be readily noticible without the need for a
scientist to verify.
Make a beer appear next to me, right now.
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Nope, no god.
Damn, I'm gonna have to go to the fridge myself.
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| User: "Steve O" |
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03 Feb 2006 10:02:53 AM |
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
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On 3 Feb 2006 01:46:31 -0800, "Xtrchessreal"
<markgharrison@comcast.net> wrote:
- Refer: <1138959991.514064.305590@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
For example, I believe I would need to see the so called entity perform
two things. These are just now off the top of my head.
1) In a matter of minutes create a new section of our current universe
(from nothing, i.e. no matter, no energy) right next to our solar
system so our scientists could prove its existence yet without harming
anyone on this planet by doing so.
2) Also in a matter of minutes but for eternity afterward make everyone
on this planet get along happily with everyone else but without using a
mind trick so that we still can have all of our individuality and
uniqueness. That should be readily noticible without the need for a
scientist to verify.
Make a beer appear next to me, right now.
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I don't believe it, after all these years it turns out my local barmaid is
God.
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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04 Feb 2006 08:29:51 AM |
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"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:44hd5lF28hp2U1@individual.net:
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
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On 3 Feb 2006 01:46:31 -0800, "Xtrchessreal"
<markgharrison@comcast.net> wrote:
- Refer: <1138959991.514064.305590@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
For example, I believe I would need to see the so called entity perform
two things. These are just now off the top of my head.
1) In a matter of minutes create a new section of our current universe
(from nothing, i.e. no matter, no energy) right next to our solar
system so our scientists could prove its existence yet without harming
anyone on this planet by doing so.
2) Also in a matter of minutes but for eternity afterward make everyone
on this planet get along happily with everyone else but without using a
mind trick so that we still can have all of our individuality and
uniqueness. That should be readily noticible without the need for a
scientist to verify.
Make a beer appear next to me, right now.
...
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I don't believe it, after all these years it turns out my local barmaid
is God.
http://www.bierbitzch.com/download/video/BitzchSlapSm.wmv
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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03 Feb 2006 06:36:03 PM |
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On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:02:53 -0000, "Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
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On 3 Feb 2006 01:46:31 -0800, "Xtrchessreal"
<markgharrison@comcast.net> wrote:
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I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
For example, I believe I would need to see the so called entity perform
two things. These are just now off the top of my head.
1) In a matter of minutes create a new section of our current universe
(from nothing, i.e. no matter, no energy) right next to our solar
system so our scientists could prove its existence yet without harming
anyone on this planet by doing so.
2) Also in a matter of minutes but for eternity afterward make everyone
on this planet get along happily with everyone else but without using a
mind trick so that we still can have all of our individuality and
uniqueness. That should be readily noticible without the need for a
scientist to verify.
Make a beer appear next to me, right now.
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I don't believe it, after all these years it turns out my local barmaid is
God.
You may be on to something there.
What's her name? Mary?
I may just start a "Beer Cult".
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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04 Feb 2006 11:30:56 AM |
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On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 21:07:10 +1030, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On 3 Feb 2006 01:46:31 -0800, "Xtrchessreal"
<markgharrison@comcast.net> wrote:
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I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
For example, I believe I would need to see the so called entity perform
two things. These are just now off the top of my head.
1) In a matter of minutes create a new section of our current universe
(from nothing, i.e. no matter, no energy) right next to our solar
system so our scientists could prove its existence yet without harming
anyone on this planet by doing so.
2) Also in a matter of minutes but for eternity afterward make everyone
on this planet get along happily with everyone else but without using a
mind trick so that we still can have all of our individuality and
uniqueness. That should be readily noticible without the need for a
scientist to verify.
Make a beer appear next to me, right now.
...
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Nope, no god.
Damn, I'm gonna have to go to the fridge myself.
OTOH, it could just be that miracles make him very thirsty, so he
drank it him self.
--
The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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| User: "William Wingstedt" |
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03 Feb 2006 04:52:41 PM |
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On 3 Feb 2006 01:46:31 -0800, "Xtrchessreal"
<markgharrison@comcast.net> wrote:
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
For example, I believe I would need to see the so called entity perform
two things. These are just now off the top of my head.
1) In a matter of minutes create a new section of our current universe
(from nothing, i.e. no matter, no energy) right next to our solar
system so our scientists could prove its existence yet without harming
anyone on this planet by doing so.
2) Also in a matter of minutes but for eternity afterward make everyone
on this planet get along happily with everyone else but without using a
mind trick so that we still can have all of our individuality and
uniqueness. That should be readily noticible without the need for a
scientist to verify.
I'm afraid it would not be possible for me to believe in gods. If a
god existed, it would be capable of being known, and wouldn't require
faith or belief. Therefore, I still wouldn't believe it as I and
everybody else would simply know the god existed.
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| User: "stoney" |
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03 Feb 2006 08:43:16 PM |
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On 3 Feb 2006 01:46:31 -0800, "Xtrchessreal" <markgharrison@comcast.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
1] What 'belief system' would that be?
2] What's a g-o-d?
[snip rubbish]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Sanitys little helper" |
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03 Feb 2006 06:03:38 AM |
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On 3 Feb 2006 01:46:31 -0800, Xtrchessreal wrote:
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
A verified, peer-reviewed miracle, which can be conclusively proved to
never in the future be possibly attributable to natural causes.
--
David Silverman FLAHN SMLAHN
AA #2208
AW HB #6
Free the paradise 3.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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03 Feb 2006 06:34:38 AM |
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On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:46:31 -0800, Xtrchessreal wrote:
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their current
assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
For example, I believe I would need to see the so called entity perform
two things. These are just now off the top of my head.
1) In a matter of minutes create a new section of our current universe
(from nothing, i.e. no matter, no energy) right next to our solar system
so our scientists could prove its existence yet without harming anyone on
this planet by doing so.
2) Also in a matter of minutes but for eternity afterward make everyone on
this planet get along happily with everyone else but without using a mind
trick so that we still can have all of our individuality and uniqueness.
That should be readily noticible without the need for a scientist to
verify.
I would go with something that clearly violates a basic law of physics:
water flowing uphill, or a pan of water freezing at one end while boiling
at the other, with no external application or removal of heat. Of course,
with any such demonstration, the possibility of trickery would have to be
accounted for as well as possible.
It would seem that if an all-powerful being existed, and He wanted us to
know about it, He would have no trouble convincing even the most hardened
skeptic. I can't abide the "true believers" who are convinced that it is
our fault we don't believe.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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03 Feb 2006 07:14:20 AM |
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MarkA wrote:
On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:46:31 -0800, Xtrchessreal wrote:
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
For example, I believe I would need to see the so called entity
perform
two things. These are just now off the top of my head.
1) In a matter of minutes create a new section of our current universe
(from nothing, i.e. no matter, no energy) right next to our solar
system so our scientists could prove its existence yet without harming
anyone on this planet by doing so.
2) Also in a matter of minutes but for eternity afterward make
everyone on this planet get along happily with everyone else but
without using a mind trick so that we still can have all of our
individuality and uniqueness. That should be readily noticible without
the need for a scientist to verify.
I would go with something that clearly violates a basic law of physics:
water flowing uphill, or a pan of water freezing at one end while
boiling
at the other, with no external application or removal of heat. Of
course, with any such demonstration, the possibility of trickery would
have to be accounted for as well as possible.
It would seem that if an all-powerful being existed, and He wanted us
to know about it, He would have no trouble convincing even the most
hardened
skeptic. I can't abide the "true believers" who are convinced that it
is our fault we don't believe.
According to Romans he created us athests as disbelievers.
Now, that mens god has no regard for free will despite
theological claims otherwise. So if free will is not
important why not make al men believers.
if god is omnibenevolent by duty he must.
Thus god that is omnibenevolent, that hates evil and disbelief
and able to create us cannot exist.
Romans 11
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the
election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber,
eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto
this day.
9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a
stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their
back alway.
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but
rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to
provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the
diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their
fulness?
God "blinds us", he is actively thwarting salvation.
--
The first law of the false prophet has
always and ever been "Don't laugh!"
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Sasha" |
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03 Feb 2006 08:01:55 AM |
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I would literally have to go downstairs in the middle of the night and
catch God rifling through my fridge, trying to make Himself a mean ham
sandwich.
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| User: "Lörd Phÿltêr" |
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03 Feb 2006 10:25:37 PM |
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"Sasha" <scironi@gmail.com> had me ROTFL with: news:1138974897.386196.37230
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
I would literally have to go downstairs in the middle of the night and
catch God rifling through my fridge, trying to make Himself a mean ham
sandwich.
That precludes all those religions that view pork as "unclean" then...
--
Lörd Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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04 Feb 2006 10:13:12 AM |
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"Sasha" <scironi@gmail.com> wrote in news:1138974897.386196.37230
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
I would literally have to go downstairs in the middle of the night and
catch God rifling through my fridge, trying to make Himself a mean ham
sandwich.
OK.
Here are a few ideas.
1) Let there be peace on earth for one year. No killings, murder, war,
disease or famine for one full year. That would do it for me.
2) Let everyone experience heaven for one month. Transform the earth in
heaven or a close substitute. Now that would surely allow everyone to
believe in God.
3) A vision from God to all people that said "Stop fighting, killing, and
murdering."
Come to think of it, if God wanted us to be religous, he would have done
that years ago instead of performing these alleged miracles for 2 or 3
people.
pierce
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| User: "stoney" |
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05 Feb 2006 12:04:33 PM |
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On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:13:12 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"Sasha" <scironi@gmail.com> wrote in news:1138974897.386196.37230
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
I would literally have to go downstairs in the middle of the night and
catch God rifling through my fridge, trying to make Himself a mean ham
sandwich.
OK.
Here are a few ideas.
1) Let there be peace on earth for one year. No killings, murder, war,
disease or famine for one full year. That would do it for me.
2) Let everyone experience heaven for one month. Transform the earth in
heaven or a close substitute. Now that would surely allow everyone to
believe in God.
3) A vision from God to all people that said "Stop fighting, killing, and
murdering."
Come to think of it, if God wanted us to be religous,
we would have been created that way.
[]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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03 Feb 2006 10:28:19 AM |
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On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 06:01:55 -0800, Sasha wrote:
I would literally have to go downstairs in the middle of the night and
catch God rifling through my fridge, trying to make Himself a mean ham
sandwich.
I always liked the scene from "Monty Python and The Holy Grail", when God
appears to King Arthur.
GOD: Every time I try to talk to someone, it's "forgive me Lord" this,
and "I'm not worthy Lord that...."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "jcon" |
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03 Feb 2006 04:30:55 AM |
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Xtrchessreal wrote:
I am wondering now.
What sort of evidence would it take for an Atheist to change their
current assessment and belief system to include one or more gods?
For example, I believe I would need to see the so called entity perform
two things. These are just now off the top of my head.
1) In a matter of minutes create a new section of our current universe
(from nothing, i.e. no matter, no energy) right next to our solar
system so our scientists could prove its existence yet without harming
anyone on this planet by doing so.
2) Also in a matter of minutes but for eternity afterward make everyone
on this planet get along happily with everyone else but without using a
mind trick so that we still can have all of our individuality and
uniqueness. That should be readily noticible without the need for a
scientist to verify.
In think your two proofs can be expanded into two general classes of
evidence:
1) A verifiable, *repeatable* miracle. Example: I can pray to change
water into wine and it happens every time.
2) Some evidence of overall logic or justice in the world: bad things
happening
to bad people and good things happening to good people at a
statistically
significant level.
Neither one of these even comes close to being satisfied in the real
world.
-jc
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