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"JJ ~" |
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16 Apr 2004 01:49:52 AM |
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Gods and Generals - the movie |
Holy buckets!
I just ejected the movie after having watched almost three hours of it
(it's running time is 218 minutes). Couldn't take the religious
content of it any longer.
I rented it in hopes of watching a reasonably accurate (albeit
Hollywood version) account of the Civil War. What I saw, however, was
a film that couldn't have been written/directed better by Pastor Dave
himself.
A few minutes of CW tactics/footage, interspersed with endless
religious rhetoric. Phew! Of the 218 minutes of movie, I suspect
that over 200 of those minutes were spent tickling fundies (via
constant scripture quotes/power of prayer rhetoric, etc).
To anyone who has been thinking of viewing this film, I would strongly
advise against it. It is complete Hollywood/mainstream
religious-based crap.
I realize that, arguably, the religious aspect may have been
introduced into the film in an attempt to make it an accurate film.
However, the religious aspects of this film are too prevalent to be
real - at any point in history.
I felt as though I was watching a 'made for TV movie' on cable, but
instead of TV commercials every five minutes, I was bombarded with
religious messages throughout the movie instead.
Do not rent this one, folks.
v/r,
JJ
JJ
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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16 Apr 2004 10:19:54 AM |
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I just ejected the movie after having watched almost three hours of it
(it's running time is 218 minutes). Couldn't take the religious
content of it any longer.
There are several facts about this production which you should be aware.
The film "Gettysburg," which was made 10 years earlier with very much the same
cast and production crew was based on Michael Shaara's Pulitzer Prize winning
novel "The Killer Angels." The film is an exceptionally good adaptation of the
book and the book is probably one of the best Civil War novels ever written.
The film "Gods and Generals" was based on Jeff Shaara's book of the same name.
The film has virtually NOTHING to do with the book other than having the same
title. I knew when I was watching the film and they started the film about 1/3
of the way into the book there was going to be trouble. If the production crew
had stuck to the book instead of going into realms of fantasy they might have
had a watchable movie. Instead they had a complete and utter piece of shite. If
they had stuck to the book, at lot of the things which were objectionable about
the film would not have happened. The book focuses on four men: Lee, Jackson,
Chamberlain and Hancock. In the film, the sections focusing on Hancock were
completely expunged, thus giving the film a Confederate bias that was not in
the book. Also, a lot of the character flaws and historical statements of
Jackson which were in the book were not in the film.
Gettysburg is one of the best Civil War movies ever made. Gods and Generals is
one of the worst. It is utterly incomprehensable that they were produced by the
same people.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "Robert Schneider" |
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16 Apr 2004 11:40:40 AM |
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How many more Civil War flicks are out there? I haven't seen any of those
two yet but I did see one called "The Hunley" which I thought was good.
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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16 Apr 2004 01:12:09 PM |
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How many more Civil War flicks are out there? I haven't seen any of those
two yet but I did see one called "The Hunley" which I thought was good.
Here is a partial list of prominent US Civil War movies.
Birth of a Nation (1915)
The General (1927)
Gone With the Wind (1939)
The Red Badge of Courage (1951)
Friendly Persuasion (1956) [a must see for lovers of peace and those who revere
religious freedom]
Raintree County (1957)
The Horse Soldiers (1959)
Major Dundee (1965)
Shenandoah (1965)
North and South (1985)
Glory! (1989) [IMHO, the best Civil War movie]
Gettysburg (1993)
Andersonville (1996)
The Day Lincoln was Shot (1998)
The Hunley (1999)
Ride With the Devil (1999)
Gods and Generals (2003)
Cold Mountain (2003)
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "Robert Schneider" |
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16 Apr 2004 02:25:09 PM |
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"Lord Calvert" <forlornh@aol.complicated> wrote in message
news:20040416141209.17431.00000536@mb-m16.aol.com...
How many more Civil War flicks are out there? I haven't seen any of
those
two yet but I did see one called "The Hunley" which I thought was good.
Glory! (1989) [IMHO, the best Civil War movie]
That was a movie not a mini-series, correct?
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| User: "Claytie the Umpire Slayer" |
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17 Apr 2004 02:18:20 AM |
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"Robert Schneider" <rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net> wrote in message
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"Lord Calvert" <forlornh@aol.complicated> wrote in message
news:20040416141209.17431.00000536@mb-m16.aol.com...
How many more Civil War flicks are out there? I haven't seen any of
those
two yet but I did see one called "The Hunley" which I thought was good.
Glory! (1989) [IMHO, the best Civil War movie]
That was a movie not a mini-series, correct?
Yep. Denzel Washington won his first oscar for his performance. The whole
cast were brilliant in an outstanding movie.
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| User: "JJ ~" |
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18 Apr 2004 12:13:03 AM |
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:18:20 +1000, "Claytie the Umpire Slayer"
<cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com> wrote:
"Robert Schneider" <rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net> wrote in message
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"Lord Calvert" <forlornh@aol.complicated> wrote in message
news:20040416141209.17431.00000536@mb-m16.aol.com...
How many more Civil War flicks are out there? I haven't seen any of
those
two yet but I did see one called "The Hunley" which I thought was good.
Glory! (1989) [IMHO, the best Civil War movie]
That was a movie not a mini-series, correct?
Yep. Denzel Washington won his first oscar for his performance. The whole
cast were brilliant in an outstanding movie.
Thanks for the intel. I'll look for that title next time.
JJ
aa#2178
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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16 Apr 2004 03:15:13 PM |
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In article <pqWfc.13042$A_4.11260@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net says...
"Lord Calvert" <forlornh@aol.complicated> wrote in message
news:20040416141209.17431.00000536@mb-m16.aol.com...
How many more Civil War flicks are out there? I haven't seen any of
those
two yet but I did see one called "The Hunley" which I thought was good.
Glory! (1989) [IMHO, the best Civil War movie]
That was a movie not a mini-series, correct?
Right. Rent it or buy it.
--
Enkidu
AA# 2165
"Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we
go to church we're just making him madder and madder."
--Homer Simpson
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| User: "Claytie the Umpire Slayer" |
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17 Apr 2004 02:17:04 AM |
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"Lord Calvert" <forlornh@aol.complicated> wrote in message
news:20040416141209.17431.00000536@mb-m16.aol.com...
How many more Civil War flicks are out there? I haven't seen any of
those
two yet but I did see one called "The Hunley" which I thought was good.
Here is a partial list of prominent US Civil War movies.
<snip>
Glory! (1989) [IMHO, the best Civil War movie]
Totally agree.
But you left out "Curse of the Cannibal Confederates"!!! That's a real
oversight!
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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16 Apr 2004 04:28:52 PM |
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In article <20040416141209.17431.00000536@mb-m16.aol.com>,
forlornh@aol.complicated says...
How many more Civil War flicks are out there? I haven't seen any of those
two yet but I did see one called "The Hunley" which I thought was good.
Here is a partial list of prominent US Civil War movies.
Birth of a Nation (1915)
Glorifies the South and slavery.
The General (1927)
Buster Keaton film. Funny, very funny!
The Red Badge of Courage (1951)
Never saw this one, but the book by Stephen Crane was a classic. I
loved it in fifth grade.
Glory! (1989) [IMHO, the best Civil War movie]
I agree. The best.
As far as books go, the three volume series by Shelby Foote is THE work
to read. If it doesn't;t cover something, you need to move on to
primary sources!
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Enkidu
AA# 2165
"Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we
go to church we're just making him madder and madder."
--Homer Simpson
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| User: "Claytie the Umpire Slayer" |
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17 Apr 2004 02:19:18 AM |
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"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ae9efec19d7829a98969c@news.west.cox.net...
In article <20040416141209.17431.00000536@mb-m16.aol.com>,
forlornh@aol.complicated says...
How many more Civil War flicks are out there? I haven't seen any of
those
two yet but I did see one called "The Hunley" which I thought was good.
Here is a partial list of prominent US Civil War movies.
Birth of a Nation (1915)
Glorifies the South and slavery.
Don't forget it makes heroes out of the KKK.
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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16 Apr 2004 02:05:47 PM |
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On 16 Apr 2004 18:12:09 GMT, forlornh@aol.complicated (Lord Calvert)
thought hard and said:
Glory! (1989) [IMHO, the best Civil War movie]
Hear hear!
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, and Krzysztof Penderecki are my Gods.
Madly Insane EAC Scientist.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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16 Apr 2004 02:53:29 PM |
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In article <c0Ufc.12829$A_4.273@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net says...
How many more Civil War flicks are out there? I haven't seen any of those
two yet but I did see one called "The Hunley" which I thought was good.
"Glory". Great movie!
--
Enkidu
AA# 2165
"Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we
go to church we're just making him madder and madder."
--Homer Simpson
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| User: "Melchizedek" |
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03 May 2004 12:17:57 AM |
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"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ae9cd0b818e2c4d989699@news.west.cox.net...
In article <c0Ufc.12829$A_4.273@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net says...
How many more Civil War flicks are out there? I haven't seen any of those
two yet but I did see one called "The Hunley" which I thought was good.
"Glory". Great movie!
--
Enkidu
AA# 2165
"Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we
go to church we're just making him madder and madder."
--Homer Simpson
But, but, what about all that praying, and dependency on God for support, etc.?
http://bibleweb.info/
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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03 May 2004 08:14:13 AM |
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In article <vCklc.1753$28.1304@fe07.usenetserver.com>, Melchizedek@as-
if.com says...
"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ae9cd0b818e2c4d989699@news.west.cox.net...
In article <c0Ufc.12829$A_4.273@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net says...
How many more Civil War flicks are out there? I haven't seen any of those
two yet but I did see one called "The Hunley" which I thought was good.
"Glory". Great movie!
--
Enkidu
AA# 2165
"Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we
go to church we're just making him madder and madder."
--Homer Simpson
But, but, what about all that praying, and dependency on God for support, etc.?
http://bibleweb.info/
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
"Today is a fine day for reality . . ."
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| User: "JJ ~" |
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17 Apr 2004 01:43:52 AM |
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On 16 Apr 2004 15:19:54 GMT, forlornh@aol.complicated (Lord Calvert)
wrote:
I just ejected the movie after having watched almost three hours of it
(it's running time is 218 minutes). Couldn't take the religious
content of it any longer.
There are several facts about this production which you should be aware.
The film "Gettysburg," which was made 10 years earlier with very much the same
cast and production crew was based on Michael Shaara's Pulitzer Prize winning
novel "The Killer Angels." The film is an exceptionally good adaptation of the
book and the book is probably one of the best Civil War novels ever written.
The film "Gods and Generals" was based on Jeff Shaara's book of the same name.
The film has virtually NOTHING to do with the book other than having the same
title. I knew when I was watching the film and they started the film about 1/3
of the way into the book there was going to be trouble. If the production crew
had stuck to the book instead of going into realms of fantasy they might have
had a watchable movie. Instead they had a complete and utter piece of shite. If
they had stuck to the book, at lot of the things which were objectionable about
the film would not have happened. The book focuses on four men: Lee, Jackson,
Chamberlain and Hancock. In the film, the sections focusing on Hancock were
completely expunged, thus giving the film a Confederate bias that was not in
the book. Also, a lot of the character flaws and historical statements of
Jackson which were in the book were not in the film.
Gettysburg is one of the best Civil War movies ever made. Gods and Generals is
one of the worst. It is utterly incomprehensable that they were produced by the
same people.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
I was hoping for a 'Band of Brothers' type of film, but what I got
instead a "sort" of 'BoB' movie, only the characters engaged in
religious rhetoric - at length - every other minute of the film.
You're right. There are better films out there, and I'll seek them
out instead. Just thought I'd save at least some folks from wasting
time/money on this dud.
JJ
aa#2178
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| User: "Claytie the Umpire Slayer" |
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17 Apr 2004 02:23:29 AM |
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"JJ" < ~> wrote in message
news:e7k180h19v5ds9g0h78d57rmuutr3ao4mi@4ax.com...
On 16 Apr 2004 15:19:54 GMT, forlornh@aol.complicated (Lord Calvert)
wrote:
I just ejected the movie after having watched almost three hours of it
(it's running time is 218 minutes). Couldn't take the religious
content of it any longer.
There are several facts about this production which you should be aware.
The film "Gettysburg," which was made 10 years earlier with very much the
same
cast and production crew was based on Michael Shaara's Pulitzer Prize
winning
novel "The Killer Angels." The film is an exceptionally good adaptation
of the
book and the book is probably one of the best Civil War novels ever
written.
The film "Gods and Generals" was based on Jeff Shaara's book of the same
name.
The film has virtually NOTHING to do with the book other than having the
same
title. I knew when I was watching the film and they started the film
about 1/3
of the way into the book there was going to be trouble. If the production
crew
had stuck to the book instead of going into realms of fantasy they might
have
had a watchable movie. Instead they had a complete and utter piece of
shite. If
they had stuck to the book, at lot of the things which were objectionable
about
the film would not have happened. The book focuses on four men: Lee,
Jackson,
Chamberlain and Hancock. In the film, the sections focusing on Hancock
were
completely expunged, thus giving the film a Confederate bias that was not
in
the book. Also, a lot of the character flaws and historical statements of
Jackson which were in the book were not in the film.
Gettysburg is one of the best Civil War movies ever made. Gods and
Generals is
one of the worst. It is utterly incomprehensable that they were produced
by the
same people.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert
Anton
Wilson
I was hoping for a 'Band of Brothers' type of film, but what I got
instead a "sort" of 'BoB' movie, only the characters engaged in
religious rhetoric - at length - every other minute of the film.
Slightly OT. If you liked "Band of Brothers" see if you can find a copy of
the early 80's Australian mini-series "ANZACS". It's a similar type of
story following a group of Australian soldiers (including a pre-Crocodile
Dundee Paul Hogan) through WW1, from Gallipoli through to the end of the
war. It's a wonderful show and well worth seeing. It was released here
last year on DVD...not sure about any where else.
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16 Apr 2004 07:48:49 AM |
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JJ < ~> wrote in message news:<d9vu70hot4jso5o6jekke06sfvbc249vi1@4ax.com>...
Holy buckets!
I just ejected the movie after having watched almost three hours of it
(it's running time is 218 minutes). Couldn't take the religious
content of it any longer.
I rented it in hopes of watching a reasonably accurate (albeit
Hollywood version) account of the Civil War. What I saw, however, was
a film that couldn't have been written/directed better by Pastor Dave
himself.
A few minutes of CW tactics/footage, interspersed with endless
religious rhetoric. Phew! Of the 218 minutes of movie, I suspect
that over 200 of those minutes were spent tickling fundies (via
constant scripture quotes/power of prayer rhetoric, etc).
To anyone who has been thinking of viewing this film, I would strongly
advise against it. It is complete Hollywood/mainstream
religious-based crap.
I realize that, arguably, the religious aspect may have been
introduced into the film in an attempt to make it an accurate film.
However, the religious aspects of this film are too prevalent to be
real - at any point in history.
I felt as though I was watching a 'made for TV movie' on cable, but
instead of TV commercials every five minutes, I was bombarded with
religious messages throughout the movie instead.
Do not rent this one, folks.
v/r,
JJ
Well, in the interests of fairness, Stonewall *was* a pretty religious
guy...frighteningly so, sometimes. It wouldn't be a very accurate
portrayal if they didn't cover it. Yeah, they went overboard, but not
by as much as you may imagine.
That being said, the movie irritated the crap out of me because of its
deification of Jackson. IIRC, the movie pretty much portrayed him as
a frickin' saint, which he was not.
-The Jester, 774
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16 Apr 2004 02:03:34 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:49:52 -0500, JJ < ~> thought hard and said:
Holy buckets!
I just ejected the movie after having watched almost three hours of it
(it's running time is 218 minutes). Couldn't take the religious
content of it any longer.
That might explain why it was called "GODS and Generals." Just might.
:-)
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, and Krzysztof Penderecki are my Gods.
Madly Insane EAC Scientist.
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16 Apr 2004 02:27:48 PM |
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"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:49:52 -0500, JJ < ~> thought hard and said:
Holy buckets!
I just ejected the movie after having watched almost three hours of it
(it's running time is 218 minutes). Couldn't take the religious
content of it any longer.
That might explain why it was called "GODS and Generals." Just might.
:-)
Hmmm...how many different godSSSSSS are represented in that movie? :)
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, and Krzysztof Penderecki are my Gods.
Madly Insane EAC Scientist.
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| User: "Claytie the Umpire Slayer" |
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17 Apr 2004 02:24:14 AM |
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"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9cb080du6j91f7jgare1pvib338tuk1u32@4ax.com...
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:49:52 -0500, JJ < ~> thought hard and said:
Holy buckets!
I just ejected the movie after having watched almost three hours of it
(it's running time is 218 minutes). Couldn't take the religious
content of it any longer.
That might explain why it was called "GODS and Generals." Just might.
:-)
Might have been "God Soaked Generals".
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| User: "JJ ~" |
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17 Apr 2004 01:53:33 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:03:34 -0500, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:49:52 -0500, JJ < ~> thought hard and said:
Holy buckets!
I just ejected the movie after having watched almost three hours of it
(it's running time is 218 minutes). Couldn't take the religious
content of it any longer.
That might explain why it was called "GODS and Generals." Just might.
:-)
I thought about that when I read the DVD sleeve in the store, but I
figured that the 'GODS' part may have just been a metaphor in that
generals are the only 'gods' on the battlefield (as perceived by the
troops). The plurality of the word GODS further reinforced this
thought. Apparently, however, I was wrong.
Good eye, though. I wish that I'd have had your frame of mind at the
time. :)
JJ
aa#2178
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| User: "Brainfried" |
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16 Apr 2004 07:48:49 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:49:52 -0500, JJ < ~> wrote:
Holy buckets!
I just ejected the movie after having watched almost three hours of it
(it's running time is 218 minutes). Couldn't take the religious
content of it any longer.
I rented it in hopes of watching a reasonably accurate (albeit
Hollywood version) account of the Civil War. What I saw, however, was
a film that couldn't have been written/directed better by Pastor Dave
himself.
A few minutes of CW tactics/footage, interspersed with endless
religious rhetoric. Phew! Of the 218 minutes of movie, I suspect
that over 200 of those minutes were spent tickling fundies (via
constant scripture quotes/power of prayer rhetoric, etc).
To anyone who has been thinking of viewing this film, I would strongly
advise against it. It is complete Hollywood/mainstream
religious-based crap.
I realize that, arguably, the religious aspect may have been
introduced into the film in an attempt to make it an accurate film.
However, the religious aspects of this film are too prevalent to be
real - at any point in history.
I felt as though I was watching a 'made for TV movie' on cable, but
instead of TV commercials every five minutes, I was bombarded with
religious messages throughout the movie instead.
Do not rent this one, folks.
v/r,
JJ
JJ
aa#2178
I walked out after about 20 minutes. I was bored to death.
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16 Apr 2004 06:08:01 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:49:52 -0500, JJ wrote:
Holy buckets!
I just ejected the movie after having watched almost three hours of it
(it's running time is 218 minutes). Couldn't take the religious content
of it any longer.
Thanks for the warning. It *was* on my list to rent someday.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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