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"daman" |
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12 Apr 2004 11:16:27 PM |
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God's DNA? |
We know the Virgin Mary's remains are in Jerusalem and also that Issa's (a
person supposedly being Jesus) remains, are found in Kashmir, wouldnt you
think it logical that DNA tests be done on both bodies to determine a
hereditary link? Has anyone attempted this test? And why not if not? Let
science prove to all the truth about Jesus and Mary. If there is a DNA link
then after taking out Mary's DNA from Jesus' DNA, you would then be left
with the DNA of God, right? I also note that Joseph's tomb is in Schechem.
Could we also DNA his remains against Issa's?
I cant wait to read your replies.
Luke
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| User: "Woden" |
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| Title: Re: God's DNA? |
12 Apr 2004 11:54:39 PM |
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"daman" <daman@where.com> honored us in alt.atheism with the following
discourse:
We know the Virgin Mary's remains are in Jerusalem and also that
Really? And how do we know this?
Issa's (a person supposedly being Jesus) remains, are found in
Kashmir, wouldnt you think it logical that DNA tests be done on both
bodies to determine a hereditary link? Has anyone attempted this test?
And why not if not? Let science prove to all the truth about Jesus and
Mary. If there is a DNA link then after taking out Mary's DNA from
Jesus' DNA, you would then be left with the DNA of God, right? I also
note that Joseph's tomb is in Schechem. Could we also DNA his remains
against Issa's?
I cant wait to read your replies.
Luke
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Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: God's DNA? |
13 Apr 2004 07:57:20 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 04:54:39 -0000, Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:
"daman" <daman@where.com> honored us in alt.atheism with the following
discourse:
We know the Virgin Mary's remains are in Jerusalem and also that
Really? And how do we know this?
It is inscriped on the box: Mary, mum of jesus, wife of ol' Joe. ;-)
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: God's DNA? |
13 Apr 2004 11:43:03 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:57:20 +0700, Jos Flachs <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com>,
Message ID: <in1n70hg9q10j32ga5ougdrui17912uid6@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 04:54:39 -0000, Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:
"daman" <daman@where.com> honored us in alt.atheism with the following
discourse:
We know the Virgin Mary's remains are in Jerusalem and also that
Really? And how do we know this?
It is inscriped on the box: Mary, mum of jesus, wife of ol' Joe. ;-)
Talk about a hairy muff! That's a hell of a lot of hair to snip to
leave that message.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Jim07D4" |
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| Title: Re: God's DNA? |
13 Apr 2004 12:24:45 AM |
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Piggybacking
"daman" <daman@where.com> honored us in alt.atheism with the following
discourse:
We know the Virgin Mary's remains are in Jerusalem and also that
Really? And how do we know this?
Issa's (a person supposedly being Jesus) remains, are found in
Kashmir, wouldnt you think it logical that DNA tests be done on both
bodies to determine a hereditary link? Has anyone attempted this test?
And why not if not? Let science prove to all the truth about Jesus and
Mary. If there is a DNA link then after taking out Mary's DNA from
Jesus' DNA, you would then be left with the DNA of God, right? I also
note that Joseph's tomb is in Schechem. Could we also DNA his remains
against Issa's?
I cant wait to read your replies.
It would be whatever DNA God chose to be paired with the DNA of Mary
to produce Jesus, introduced to her ovum whilst maintaining her virgin
status. It could, for example, be identical to the DNA of a particular
Roman soldier who, he swore, never laid a hand on her.
And it does lead to the question of whether our being made in the
image of God refers to the phenotype, genotype, or what?
Jim07D4
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| User: "daman" |
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| Title: Re: God's DNA? |
13 Apr 2004 12:02:48 AM |
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through this.. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14774a.htm
"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
news:Xns94CA9F14A4C1wodencharternet@216.168.3.44...
"daman" <daman@where.com> honored us in alt.atheism with the following
discourse:
We know the Virgin Mary's remains are in Jerusalem and also that
Really? And how do we know this?
Issa's (a person supposedly being Jesus) remains, are found in
Kashmir, wouldnt you think it logical that DNA tests be done on both
bodies to determine a hereditary link? Has anyone attempted this test?
And why not if not? Let science prove to all the truth about Jesus and
Mary. If there is a DNA link then after taking out Mary's DNA from
Jesus' DNA, you would then be left with the DNA of God, right? I also
note that Joseph's tomb is in Schechem. Could we also DNA his remains
against Issa's?
I cant wait to read your replies.
Luke
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Woden
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people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Woden" |
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| Title: Re: God's DNA? |
13 Apr 2004 07:05:24 AM |
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"daman" <daman@where.com> honored us in alt.atheism with the following
discourse:
through this.. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14774a.htm
So, some people make that claim. That's just about as valid as all the
pieces of the "true cross" in various churchs. In other words, no reason
to consider the whole xian story as anything other than myth.
"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
news:Xns94CA9F14A4C1wodencharternet@216.168.3.44...
"daman" <daman@where.com> honored us in alt.atheism with the
following discourse:
We know the Virgin Mary's remains are in Jerusalem and also that
Really? And how do we know this?
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Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: God's DNA? |
13 Apr 2004 09:21:45 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:02:48 +1000 in episode
<407b747a$0$16600$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au> we saw our hero "daman"
<daman@where.com>:
through this.. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14774a.htm
And we should believe this why?
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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13 Apr 2004 12:48:59 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:02:48 +1000, "daman" <daman@where.com> wrote:
through this.. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14774a.htm
We "know it" because they (Roman Catholics) traditionally assert it?
In that case we also "know" that Jesus body cannot be somewhere in the
Kashmir, because the Roman Catholic church traditionally asserts that
Jesus was resurrected and then he ascended into heaven.
Mark.
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| User: "SMChristenson" |
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13 Apr 2004 09:42:46 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:48:59 +0000, Mark Richardson wrote:
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:02:48 +1000, "daman" <daman@where.com> wrote:
through this.. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14774a.htm
We "know it" because they (Roman Catholics) traditionally assert it?
In that case we also "know" that Jesus body cannot be somewhere in the
Kashmir, because the Roman Catholic church traditionally asserts that
Jesus was resurrected and then he ascended into heaven.
Well, there is that.
But it's still a pretty amusing concept and something to bug the Vatican
about for at least decades.
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| User: "stoney" |
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13 Apr 2004 11:41:42 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:02:48 +1000, "daman" <daman@where.com>, Message
ID: <407b747a$0$16600$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au> wrote in
alt.atheism;
through this.. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14774a.htm
(shakes head sadly)
The US has no education system as "daman" demonstrates.
That's nice child. Now, if you leave a nice bowl of milk out on the
stoop before you go to bed each night the little people won't get upset
at you.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
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{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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13 Apr 2004 08:11:04 AM |
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daman wrote:
through this.. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14774a.htm
How odd, given that Catholic dogma holds that Mary was assumed bodily in to
heaven and never died (unlike her son.)
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Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
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| User: "gary" |
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13 Apr 2004 12:15:43 AM |
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In article <407b6aca$0$16597$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au>,
daman@where.com says...
We know the Virgin Mary's remains are in Jerusalem and also that Issa's (a
person supposedly being Jesus) remains, are found in Kashmir, wouldnt you
think it logical that DNA tests be done on both bodies to determine a
hereditary link? Has anyone attempted this test? And why not if not? Let
science prove to all the truth about Jesus and Mary. If there is a DNA link
then after taking out Mary's DNA from Jesus' DNA, you would then be left
with the DNA of God, right? I also note that Joseph's tomb is in Schechem.
Could we also DNA his remains against Issa's?
I cant wait to read your replies.
Luke
Because its all 100% ***** you will never get DNA proof of any
biblical events. Lies and mythology...Blind Faith baby, Blind Faith.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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13 Apr 2004 09:18:06 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:16:27 +1000 in episode
<407b6aca$0$16597$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au> we saw our hero "daman"
<daman@where.com>:
We know the Virgin Mary's remains are in Jerusalem and also that Issa's (a
person supposedly being Jesus) remains, are found in Kashmir
We don't know that.
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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13 Apr 2004 12:39:26 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:16:27 +1000, "daman" <daman@where.com> wrote:
We know the Virgin Mary's remains are in Jerusalem
Do we?
How do we know this?
Explain the process by which this knowledge was obtained.
and also that Issa's (a
person supposedly being Jesus) remains, are found in Kashmir,
How do we know this?
Explain the process by which this knowledge was obtained.
wouldnt you
think it logical that DNA tests be done on both bodies to determine a
hereditary link?
No, it wouldn't occur to me to waste any time or money until the above
questions were answered.
Rationally there is no reason to do anything until they are answered.
Has anyone attempted this test?
No idea.
And why not if not? Let
science prove to all the truth about Jesus and Mary.
It's not possible.
If there is a DNA link
then after taking out Mary's DNA from Jesus' DNA, you would then be left
with the DNA of God, right?
No - God (if it existed) wouldnt have any DNA - God is (alledgedly)
non physical - a spirit being - not even made of atoms let alone
protien and DNA.
I also note that Joseph's tomb is in Schechem.
Could we also DNA his remains against Issa's?
I cant wait to read your replies.
Luke
Don't believe everything you read/are told.
People are always telling porkies.*
Mark.
* rhyming slang : porkies == "pork pies" == lies
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Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
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| User: "spanky" |
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13 Apr 2004 04:47:44 AM |
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Joseph's tomb
http://www.shechem.org/kyos/engkyos.html
Issa's tomb and some interesting facts
http://www.sol.com.au/kor/7_01.htm
Mary's tomb
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14774a.htm
"Mark Richardson" <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote in message
news:olum70h8p08b49778pn9bi8mha1rc46gau@4ax.com...
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:16:27 +1000, "daman" <daman@where.com> wrote:
We know the Virgin Mary's remains are in Jerusalem
Do we?
How do we know this?
Explain the process by which this knowledge was obtained.
and also that Issa's (a
person supposedly being Jesus) remains, are found in Kashmir,
How do we know this?
Explain the process by which this knowledge was obtained.
wouldnt you
think it logical that DNA tests be done on both bodies to determine a
hereditary link?
No, it wouldn't occur to me to waste any time or money until the above
questions were answered.
Rationally there is no reason to do anything until they are answered.
Has anyone attempted this test?
No idea.
And why not if not? Let
science prove to all the truth about Jesus and Mary.
It's not possible.
If there is a DNA link
then after taking out Mary's DNA from Jesus' DNA, you would then be left
with the DNA of God, right?
No - God (if it existed) wouldnt have any DNA - God is (alledgedly)
non physical - a spirit being - not even made of atoms let alone
protien and DNA.
You have no knowledge of God's form to answer this!
I also note that Joseph's tomb is in Schechem.
Could we also DNA his remains against Issa's?
I cant wait to read your replies.
Luke
Don't believe everything you read/are told.
People are always telling porkies.*
Mark.
* rhyming slang : porkies == "pork pies" == lies
--
Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
"My name is Mark I am a recovering Skeptic
(AKA Muddy Boggs, AKA Donald R. Alford AKA ...)
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| User: "johac" |
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14 Apr 2004 01:12:31 AM |
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In article <407bb740$0$16574$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au>,
"spanky" <spanky@wherever.com> wrote:
Joseph's tomb
http://www.shechem.org/kyos/engkyos.html
Issa's tomb and some interesting facts
http://www.sol.com.au/kor/7_01.htm
Mary's tomb
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14774a.htm
"Mark Richardson" <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote in message
news:olum70h8p08b49778pn9bi8mha1rc46gau@4ax.com...
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:16:27 +1000, "daman" <daman@where.com> wrote:
We know the Virgin Mary's remains are in Jerusalem
Do we?
How do we know this?
Explain the process by which this knowledge was obtained.
and also that Issa's (a
person supposedly being Jesus) remains, are found in Kashmir,
How do we know this?
Explain the process by which this knowledge was obtained.
wouldnt you
think it logical that DNA tests be done on both bodies to determine a
hereditary link?
No, it wouldn't occur to me to waste any time or money until the above
questions were answered.
Rationally there is no reason to do anything until they are answered.
Has anyone attempted this test?
No idea.
And why not if not? Let
science prove to all the truth about Jesus and Mary.
It's not possible.
If there is a DNA link
then after taking out Mary's DNA from Jesus' DNA, you would then be left
with the DNA of God, right?
No - God (if it existed) wouldnt have any DNA - God is (alledgedly)
non physical - a spirit being - not even made of atoms let alone
protien and DNA.
You have no knowledge of God's form to answer this!
If there were a god with protein and DNA, it would be a material being
and we should be able to see it and study it. So where is it?
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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13 Apr 2004 06:41:01 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:47:44 +1000, "spanky" <spanky@wherever.com>
wrote:
Joseph's tomb
http://www.shechem.org/kyos/engkyos.html
Issa's tomb and some interesting facts
http://www.sol.com.au/kor/7_01.htm
Mary's tomb
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14774a.htm
People can assert anything.
Knowing things is much harder.
<snip>
If there is a DNA link
then after taking out Mary's DNA from Jesus' DNA, you would then be left
with the DNA of God, right?
No - God (if it existed) wouldnt have any DNA - God is (alledgedly)
non physical - a spirit being - not even made of atoms let alone
protien and DNA.
You have no knowledge of God's form to answer this!
I know something of what people *mean* by the word.
They are not talking about a rock or a frog or a tree for example when
they say "God".
So I dont need to know very much to know that if God has DNA it aint
God.
Mark.
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"My name is Mark I am a recovering Skeptic
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| User: "stoney" |
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13 Apr 2004 11:44:57 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:47:44 +1000, "spanky" <spanky@wherever.com>,
Message ID: <407bb740$0$16574$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Joseph's tomb
http://www.shechem.org/kyos/engkyos.html
Issa's tomb and some interesting facts
http://www.sol.com.au/kor/7_01.htm
Mary's tomb
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14774a.htm
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/People/rgs/wizoz10.html
And Dorothy really really really *did* translocate from Emerald City
back to Kansas. Such was witnessed by the populace of the city.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "stoney" |
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13 Apr 2004 11:39:39 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:16:27 +1000, "daman" <daman@where.com>, Message
ID: <407b6aca$0$16597$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au> wrote in
alt.atheism;
We know the Virgin Mary's remains are in Jerusalem and also that Issa's (a
person supposedly being Jesus) remains, are found in Kashmir, wouldnt you
think it logical that DNA tests be done on both bodies to determine a
hereditary link? Has anyone attempted this test? And why not if not? Let
science prove to all the truth about Jesus and Mary. If there is a DNA link
then after taking out Mary's DNA from Jesus' DNA, you would then be left
with the DNA of God, right? I also note that Joseph's tomb is in Schechem.
Could we also DNA his remains against Issa's?
I cant wait to read your replies.
When the post is drooling idiocy-there's nothing to respond to.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "TCS" |
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13 Apr 2004 08:05:46 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:16:27 +1000, daman <daman@where.com> wrote:
We know the Virgin Mary's remains are in Jerusalem and also that Issa's (a
person supposedly being Jesus) remains, are found in Kashmir, wouldnt you
think it logical that DNA tests be done on both bodies to determine a
hereditary link? Has anyone attempted this test? And why not if not? Let
science prove to all the truth about Jesus and Mary. If there is a DNA link
then after taking out Mary's DNA from Jesus' DNA, you would then be left
with the DNA of God, right? I also note that Joseph's tomb is in Schechem.
Could we also DNA his remains against Issa's?
I cant wait to read your replies.
The story doesn't allow for "DNA from god" as the holy spirit isn't supposed to
be a physical entity. If jesus only received DNA from mary as the story goes,
he'd also have no penus and would have breasts capable of giving milk and an
ovary.
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