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"Neil Kelsey" |
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06 Dec 2007 11:15:48 AM |
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Golden Compass (caution, plotline revealed) |
Ahem. I can't hold this in any longer.
In The Golden Compass God is killed by a girl named Lyra.
Twenty four years ago, I named my daughter Lyra (after the
constellation; my wife and I were stargazing while she was about 6
months pregnant).
Unfortunately, I think her father tries to kill God, but obviously
must fail (I haven't read the book, my S/O is halfway through, but I
can't see how that would end well for the father).
Lyra even looked like the girl I saw in the movie trailer when she was
younger. And of course, she's a chip off this atheist's block (her
mother is a New-Age Nazi). We were laughing our asses off last night
about this, now she wants to be the one to push religion off the
cliff.
Neither of us have read the book, I'd never heard of it until this
movie came out.
All these signs, and I'm still an atheist. It's almost as if a higher
power is testing my resolve.
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Golden Compass (caution, plotline revealed) |
06 Dec 2007 11:55:18 AM |
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:15:48 -0800 (PST), Neil Kelsey
<neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ahem. I can't hold this in any longer.
In The Golden Compass God is killed by a girl named Lyra.
Err, no. Read the books.
Twenty four years ago, I named my daughter Lyra (after the
constellation; my wife and I were stargazing while she was about 6
months pregnant).
Unfortunately, I think her father tries to kill God, but obviously
must fail (I haven't read the book, my S/O is halfway through, but I
can't see how that would end well for the father).
Read the books.
Lyra even looked like the girl I saw in the movie trailer when she was
younger. And of course, she's a chip off this atheist's block (her
mother is a New-Age Nazi). We were laughing our asses off last night
about this, now she wants to be the one to push religion off the
cliff.
Neither of us have read the book, I'd never heard of it until this
movie came out.
All these signs, and I'm still an atheist. It's almost as if a higher
power is testing my resolve.
---
"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to skyscrapers..."
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: Golden Compass (caution, plotline revealed) |
06 Dec 2007 12:04:46 PM |
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On Dec 6, 9:55 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:15:48 -0800 (PST), Neil Kelsey
<neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ahem. I can't hold this in any longer.
In The Golden Compass God is killed by a girl named Lyra.
Err, no. Read the books.
Damn. Oh well, don't trust what you read on the internet.
Did you read the books? My girlfriend is loving them, but I have a
hard time reading fiction anymore. Well, besides the Bible.
Twenty four years ago, I named my daughter Lyra (after the
constellation; my wife and I were stargazing while she was about 6
months pregnant).
Unfortunately, I think her father tries to kill God, but obviously
must fail (I haven't read the book, my S/O is halfway through, but I
can't see how that would end well for the father).
Read the books.
Lyra even looked like the girl I saw in the movie trailer when she was
younger. And of course, she's a chip off this atheist's block (her
mother is a New-Age Nazi). We were laughing our asses off last night
about this, now she wants to be the one to push religion off the
cliff.
Neither of us have read the book, I'd never heard of it until this
movie came out.
All these signs, and I'm still an atheist. It's almost as if a higher
power is testing my resolve.
---
"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to skyscrapers..."
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| User: "Ghod" |
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| Title: Re: Golden Compass (caution, plotline revealed) |
06 Dec 2007 12:51:35 PM |
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"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4e065a84-9795-4c2d-9422-3204ca0b1ec1@s36g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
: On Dec 6, 9:55 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
: > On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:15:48 -0800 (PST), Neil Kelsey
: >
: > <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: > >Ahem. I can't hold this in any longer.
: >
: > >In The Golden Compass God is killed by a girl named Lyra.
: >
: > Err, no. Read the books.
:
: Damn. Oh well, don't trust what you read on the internet.
:
: Did you read the books? My girlfriend is loving them, but I have a
: hard time reading fiction anymore. Well, besides the Bible.
How can you find reading fiction hard? It's a damned sight easier
than nonfiction.....
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: Golden Compass (caution, plotline revealed) |
06 Dec 2007 01:00:42 PM |
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On Dec 6, 10:51 am, "Ghod" <g...@ameritech.net> wrote:
"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4e065a84-9795-4c2d-9422-3204ca0b1ec1@s36g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
: On Dec 6, 9:55 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
: > On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:15:48 -0800 (PST), Neil Kelsey
: >: > <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: > >Ahem. I can't hold this in any longer.
: >
: > >In The Golden Compass God is killed by a girl named Lyra.
: >
: > Err, no. Read the books.
:
: Damn. Oh well, don't trust what you read on the internet.
:
: Did you read the books? My girlfriend is loving them, but I have a
: hard time reading fiction anymore. Well, besides the Bible.
How can you find reading fiction hard? It's a damned sight easier
than nonfiction.....
I set about reading all the "classics" when I was younger, after which
I got on a non-fiction kick, and I've just found it difficult to get
back into fiction ever since, as much as I love it. I guess I get that
quick fiction hit from watching movies these days. Or from listening
to theists.
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| User: "Ghod" |
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| Title: Re: Golden Compass (caution, plotline revealed) |
06 Dec 2007 02:35:49 PM |
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"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8ab12c53-d5fb-49a2-bdbc-f9539f7d9d49@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
: On Dec 6, 10:51 am, "Ghod" <g...@ameritech.net> wrote:
: > "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: >
: >
news:4e065a84-9795-4c2d-9422-3204ca0b1ec1@s36g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
: > : On Dec 6, 9:55 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
: > : > On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:15:48 -0800 (PST), Neil Kelsey
: > : >: > <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >
: > : > >Ahem. I can't hold this in any longer.
: > : >
: > : > >In The Golden Compass God is killed by a girl named Lyra.
: > : >
: > : > Err, no. Read the books.
: > :
: > : Damn. Oh well, don't trust what you read on the internet.
: > :
: > : Did you read the books? My girlfriend is loving them, but I have
a
: > : hard time reading fiction anymore. Well, besides the Bible.
: >
: > How can you find reading fiction hard? It's a damned sight easier
: > than nonfiction.....
:
: I set about reading all the "classics" when I was younger, after
which
: I got on a non-fiction kick, and I've just found it difficult to get
: back into fiction ever since, as much as I love it. I guess I get
that
: quick fiction hit from watching movies these days. Or from listening
: to theists.
For a long time, my wife was having trouble talking herself into
reading for pleasure.....she seems to be getting over it now. Heh. I
think what did it was The Last Mimzy Stories. She's been reading
Pratchett, too.
It's worth the effort...so make an effort!
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Golden Compass (caution, plotline revealed) |
06 Dec 2007 07:24:00 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "Ghod" <ghod@ameritech.net> bloodied us up
with this:
"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8ab12c53-d5fb-49a2-bdbc-f9539f7d9d49
@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
: On Dec 6, 10:51 am, "Ghod" <g...@ameritech.net> wrote:
: > "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: >
: >
news:4e065a84-9795-4c2d-9422-3204ca0b1ec1
@s36g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
: > : On Dec 6, 9:55 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
: > : > On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:15:48 -0800 (PST), Neil Kelsey
: > : >: > <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >
: > : > >Ahem. I can't hold this in any longer.
: > : >
: > : > >In The Golden Compass God is killed by a girl named Lyra.
: > : >
: > : > Err, no. Read the books.
: > :
: > : Damn. Oh well, don't trust what you read on the internet.
: > :
: > : Did you read the books? My girlfriend is loving them, but I have
a
: > : hard time reading fiction anymore. Well, besides the Bible.
: >
: > How can you find reading fiction hard? It's a damned sight easier
: > than nonfiction.....
:
: I set about reading all the "classics" when I was younger, after
which
: I got on a non-fiction kick, and I've just found it difficult to get
: back into fiction ever since, as much as I love it. I guess I get
that
: quick fiction hit from watching movies these days. Or from listening
: to theists.
For a long time, my wife was having trouble talking herself into
reading for pleasure.....she seems to be getting over it now. Heh. I
think what did it was The Last Mimzy Stories. She's been reading
Pratchett, too.
It's worth the effort...so make an effort!
I like end-of-the-world stories. There are a few classics - "When Worlds
Collide", or "On the Beach". Stephen King's "The Stand" is a great yarn
if you don't mind delving into the supernatural, as is Robert McCammon's
"Swan Song". Hey, as long as you can tell the difference between fact
and fiction, go for it. One of King's best is "It". If you've seen the
miniseries, forget it. But diving right in, the book is sensational.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Golden Compass (caution, plotline revealed) |
07 Dec 2007 08:40:35 AM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99FEB10EA6661vicman@207.115.17.102...
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Ghod" <ghod@ameritech.net> bloodied us up
with this:
"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8ab12c53-d5fb-49a2-bdbc-f9539f7d9d49
@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
: On Dec 6, 10:51 am, "Ghod" <g...@ameritech.net> wrote:
: > "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: >
: >
news:4e065a84-9795-4c2d-9422-3204ca0b1ec1
@s36g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
: > : On Dec 6, 9:55 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
: > : > On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:15:48 -0800 (PST), Neil Kelsey
: > : >: > <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >
: > : > >Ahem. I can't hold this in any longer.
: > : >
: > : > >In The Golden Compass God is killed by a girl named Lyra.
: > : >
: > : > Err, no. Read the books.
: > :
: > : Damn. Oh well, don't trust what you read on the internet.
: > :
: > : Did you read the books? My girlfriend is loving them, but I have
a
: > : hard time reading fiction anymore. Well, besides the Bible.
: >
: > How can you find reading fiction hard? It's a damned sight easier
: > than nonfiction.....
:
: I set about reading all the "classics" when I was younger, after
which
: I got on a non-fiction kick, and I've just found it difficult to get
: back into fiction ever since, as much as I love it. I guess I get
that
: quick fiction hit from watching movies these days. Or from listening
: to theists.
For a long time, my wife was having trouble talking herself into
reading for pleasure.....she seems to be getting over it now. Heh. I
think what did it was The Last Mimzy Stories. She's been reading
Pratchett, too.
It's worth the effort...so make an effort!
I like end-of-the-world stories. There are a few classics - "When Worlds
Collide", or "On the Beach". Stephen King's "The Stand" is a great yarn
if you don't mind delving into the supernatural, as is Robert McCammon's
"Swan Song". Hey, as long as you can tell the difference between fact
and fiction, go for it. One of King's best is "It". If you've seen the
miniseries, forget it. But diving right in, the book is sensational.
I recently re-read "The Stand" after spending a Saturday sick as a dog with
a terrible cold watching the mini-series in its entirety on the SciFi
channel. Still enjoyable ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Golden Compass (caution, plotline revealed) |
06 Dec 2007 07:15:52 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Neil Kelsey <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> bloodied
us up with this:
Damn. Oh well, don't trust what you read on the internet.
Did you read the books? My girlfriend is loving them, but I have a
hard time reading fiction anymore. Well, besides the Bible.
I used to be partial to Stephen King and Dean Koontz, but lately it's a
crap shoot to find anything good by either one. I guess you have to
downshift a little when reading fiction. It's OK, rationality comes back.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Golden Compass (caution, plotline revealed) |
07 Dec 2007 08:39:03 AM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99FEAFADAB6AAvicman@207.115.17.102...
One fine day in alt.atheism, Neil Kelsey <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
bloodied
us up with this:
Damn. Oh well, don't trust what you read on the internet.
Did you read the books? My girlfriend is loving them, but I have a
hard time reading fiction anymore. Well, besides the Bible.
I used to be partial to Stephen King and Dean Koontz, but lately it's a
crap shoot to find anything good by either one. I guess you have to
downshift a little when reading fiction. It's OK, rationality comes back.
I stopped reading Koontz years ago as his stories all seemed to have
basically the same plotline. Man, woman, maybe a dog, bad guy, set in
California, etc., etc.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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| Title: Re: Golden Compass (caution, plotline revealed) |
07 Dec 2007 05:32:06 PM |
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In article <5rt43tF16k52iU1@mid.individual.net>, Robibnikoff
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99FEAFADAB6AAvicman@207.115.17.102...
One fine day in alt.atheism, Neil Kelsey <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
bloodied
us up with this:
Damn. Oh well, don't trust what you read on the internet.
Did you read the books? My girlfriend is loving them, but I have a
hard time reading fiction anymore. Well, besides the Bible.
I used to be partial to Stephen King and Dean Koontz, but lately it's a
crap shoot to find anything good by either one. I guess you have to
downshift a little when reading fiction. It's OK, rationality comes back.
I stopped reading Koontz years ago as his stories all seemed to have
basically the same plotline. Man, woman, maybe a dog, bad guy, set in
California, etc., etc.
Same here, but you also have to add that the bad guy doesn't die a bad
enough death. I like to see them suffer at the end. If you've
terrorized a hotty and her dog for 450 pages, you've got to spend 50
pages dealing with the reality of bloody stumps for arms and hamburger
for gonads before getting that meat cleaver between your eyes.
-chib
--
Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middle-Aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Golden Compass (caution, plotline revealed) |
06 Dec 2007 07:12:19 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Neil Kelsey <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> bloodied
us up with this:
Ahem. I can't hold this in any longer.
In The Golden Compass God is killed by a girl named Lyra.
Twenty four years ago, I named my daughter Lyra (after the
constellation; my wife and I were stargazing while she was about 6
months pregnant).
Unfortunately, I think her father tries to kill God, but obviously
must fail (I haven't read the book, my S/O is halfway through, but I
can't see how that would end well for the father).
Lyra even looked like the girl I saw in the movie trailer when she was
younger. And of course, she's a chip off this atheist's block (her
mother is a New-Age Nazi). We were laughing our asses off last night
about this, now she wants to be the one to push religion off the
cliff.
Neither of us have read the book, I'd never heard of it until this
movie came out.
All these signs, and I'm still an atheist. It's almost as if a higher
power is testing my resolve.
I'm wondering where anyone with a rational mind can dig "pushing atheism"
out of a theme where someone "kills god". Then again, rabid theists are
far from rational.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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| Title: Re: Golden Compass (caution, plotline revealed) |
06 Dec 2007 07:16:18 PM |
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On Dec 7, 1:12 am, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> bloodied
us up with this:
Ahem. I can't hold this in any longer.
In The Golden Compass God is killed by a girl named Lyra.
Twenty four years ago, I named my daughter Lyra (after the
constellation; my wife and I were stargazing while she was about 6
months pregnant).
Unfortunately, I think her father tries to kill God, but obviously
must fail (I haven't read the book, my S/O is halfway through, but I
can't see how that would end well for the father).
Lyra even looked like the girl I saw in the movie trailer when she was
younger. And of course, she's a chip off this atheist's block (her
mother is a New-Age Nazi). We were laughing our asses off last night
about this, now she wants to be the one to push religion off the
cliff.
Neither of us have read the book, I'd never heard of it until this
movie came out.
All these signs, and I'm still an atheist. It's almost as if a higher
power is testing my resolve.
I'm wondering where anyone with a rational mind can dig "pushing atheism"
out of a theme where someone "kills god". Then again, rabid theists are
far from rational.
The book is not exactly atheistic, but it is anti organised religion.
It is also clearly fantasy, and the "god" isn't really a god, it's
just an old angel who cons the other angels.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Golden Compass (caution, plotline revealed) |
06 Dec 2007 07:28:01 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Lucifer <wyrdology@hotmail.com> bloodied us
up with this:
On Dec 7, 1:12 am, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com>
bloodied us up with this:
Ahem. I can't hold this in any longer.
In The Golden Compass God is killed by a girl named Lyra.
Twenty four years ago, I named my daughter Lyra (after the
constellation; my wife and I were stargazing while she was about 6
months pregnant).
Unfortunately, I think her father tries to kill God, but obviously
must fail (I haven't read the book, my S/O is halfway through, but
I can't see how that would end well for the father).
Lyra even looked like the girl I saw in the movie trailer when she
was younger. And of course, she's a chip off this atheist's block
(her mother is a New-Age Nazi). We were laughing our asses off last
night about this, now she wants to be the one to push religion off
the cliff.
Neither of us have read the book, I'd never heard of it until this
movie came out.
All these signs, and I'm still an atheist. It's almost as if a
higher power is testing my resolve.
I'm wondering where anyone with a rational mind can dig "pushing
atheism" out of a theme where someone "kills god". Then again, rabid
theists are far from rational.
The book is not exactly atheistic, but it is anti organised religion.
It is also clearly fantasy, and the "god" isn't really a god, it's
just an old angel who cons the other angels.
As I suspected, but we must remember, theists have great difficulty
differentiating between fantasy and reality, hence all the derogatory
comments about yet another movie that is nothing but fiction.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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