"James Wakefield" <wormalism@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:40471ca4$1@news.rivernet.com.au...

I think the fundamental difference between conservatism and liberalism

that liberalism is based on the cause and effect ideology while

conservatism

relies on good and evil. The difference between both these ideologies is
that cause and effect is an infinitum continually going deeper while

and evil is superficial:

He committed a crime, crime is evil!

He commited a crime, because his family had no food, his family had no

food

because he lost his job...

Cause and effect is the proven system in physics and mathematics. There

no evidence of good and evil, it can not be disproved but it is a

fallacy to assume a truth based on the inabillity to disprove it.

Negating good and evil this also means there is no such thing as a good

bad reason; reason is the undeniable cause with a 100% chance of causing

the

effect. Cause and effect does not have to have a beneficial outcome,

and torture can result from it, so we have to cause the effects that

benefit ourselves and the world.

It is not logical to be conservative. All conservative beliefs are a

result

of a simple logic error. The cause is religion, brainwashing and lies

effect is conservatism.

Let me ask you one question? Are your statements you made good or evil,
truth or falsity.

You cant escape values even if you try, they are self evident and
undeniable. So go try again.

"James Wakefield" <wormalism@hotmail.com> wrote:

I think the fundamental difference between conservatism and liberalism

that liberalism is based on the cause and effect ideology while

relies on good and evil.

from www.m-w.com...

Conservatism:
a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability,
stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development
to abrupt change

Liberalism:
a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential
goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and
standing for the protection of political and civil liberties.

James Wakefield wrote:

...

Cause and effect is the proven system in physics and
mathematics. There is no evidence of good and evil...

Sure there is; Every time someone says "that's good" or "that's
evil", you have proof of good and evil - It just means someone
made a subjective moral judgment, which happens all the time.
Perhaps you mean there is no *objective* good or evil, in which
case you would be right.

James Wakefield wrote:

I think the fundamental difference between conservatism and
liberalism is that liberalism is based on the cause and effect
ideology while conservatism relies on good and evil. The difference
between both these ideologies is that cause and effect is an
infinitum continually going deeper while good and evil is superficial:

Sorry, what?

Conservatism: The disposition and tendency to preserve what is
established.

liberalism
n 1: a political orientation that favors progress and reform
2: an economic theory advocating free competition and a
self-regulating market and the gold standard

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My Friend Kate Mara, who is a lot smarter then I, wrote in reply:

Exactly! The good & evil worldview has always struck me as a rather
irrational thing to base your life on, because it is subjective. And also
because often it's just plain crazy. There are people who think eating pork
is evil, but it is good to stone a woman to death for having sex outside
marriage. Cause & effect makes a heck of a lot more sense.

It also shits me when folks believe that there are "evil" people. They're
just evil. Just because!Psycopaths exist due to some combination of extreme
childhood abuse & neurological defects. Simple cause & effect. There is
always a logical explaination.

The most ridiculous belief is that somehow "evil" exists outside of humans,
like some sentient force wafting around,waiting to spiritually attack the
unsuspecting Christian. That one cracks me up.

It really disturbs me that where I work there is a whole department in
charge of brainwashing kids with crazy religion - Anglican Youthworks.
That's terrifying! Their whole idea is to come up with better & better ways
to reach more & more children. Thousands, if not millions, is spent on
brainwashing strategies! How much is spent on trying to counteract this?
Zippo! We atheists aren't nearly as well organised or funded.

I feel so proud of myself - the other day someone put some lame Christian
jokes on the noticeboard making fun of evolution & what a silly "belief" it
is! "First goo, then the zoo, then you!" I got so fucken furious that I
downloaded & printed this great website & stuck it on the board. The Five
Major Misconceptions About Evolution. Basic'ly people who believe in
creation really don't know what evolution is. Thay have some idea that it's
about monkeys turning into people & life appearing out of nowhere by random
chance. I had to educate them. There was nothing else for it. I doubt if
many will read it, though.

This the first thing I wrote on the topic which I guess should be read
before my first post. Here I deal with the issues that some events are
detrimental and others beneficial to the well being of humans, but
nonetheless there is still a logical reason for every event occuring.

are reasons why Hitler ended up developing ideologies that turned out to

extremely detremental to society there was no allusive force that made him
"evil". It would be most beneficial to society (Good) if it dealt with

causes of the events that are detrimental to society or happiness:

There is no evidence that there is such a thing as good or evil, so it is

logical fallacy to assume it's existence. There is however proof of
happiness and unhappiness occurring in the brains of human beings and

intelligent animals. For happiness to occur an event must trigger that
reaction, even if the event is taking a drug. Drugs however currently do

cause long term happiness and the thought of the world ignoring all the
things that cause sadness and pain by administering "happy drugs" not only
makes me, and I assume others sad, it absolutely terrifies me. Sometimes I
have felt bad about not being as sad as I should be about an event, or
sometimes I feel a sense of contentment and pride in that I do get sad and
depressed about issues unlike some people who have a glow of stupidity
around them. Humans are overall empathetic creatures and usually their
happiness is related to the feelings of other humans, this is most likely

species survival mechanism; the species may die out if we did not care

one another.

People who violently abuse and torture young children are not evil nor are
dictators that commit mass genocide. This I understand is a very difficult
concept to grasp, but likewise it is also not evil to have absolute pure
hatred for the people that cause such misery to the world, nor is it evil

take their lives. For every event there is a reason that caused it to
happen, it's called cause and effect. Every thought you have is a result

the stimulus you receive. Different people often react differently to the
same event but this is because of the differences in all the previous

in each persons life and their genetic differences. There is no such thing
as a bad reason; reason does not have emotional attachments. An event that
superficially seems to have no justifiable reason, still must have a

for it to have occurred, the aforementioned child abuser has had events

have caused them to do his actions; a troubled childhood for example or
something that may even seem trivial to the common person. There is a

why the apparently trivial event had a reaction in that person and not
others. There is a reason why some people are lazier then others and why
some people have a lot of determination.

Cause and effect appears to be an infinitum of perpetual motion, receding
infinitely into the past and never having an end. There is no possible way
as of yet to determine the absolute beginnings, we are almost forced to
accept the incomprehensible idea that time stretches back infinitely

of our understanding of the fact that every event has occurred because of

previous event and never has an event occurred spontaneously.

we can say that the absolute beginning is an unknown and accept the
possibility that we may never know, but nonetheless we must try to find

answers as far as we can go and never assume a truth based on the logical
fallacy; that if something can't be disproved it must be the truth (burden
of proof error)

The atheist mind is no less aware of the profound and the intensity of the
feelings of love, in many ways the idea of having a world that is filled
with unresolved mysteries is very beautiful and exciting. The atheist may

aware that the feelings of love, beauty, empathy and the profound are

just survival features or chance mutations of evolution, but is very happy
because of them. It is still a romantic world without God, it is very
fulfilling, coming out and being proud of my beliefs (or lack there of) I
feel a lot more complete, possibly the same feelings that the religious

when they find "God."