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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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11 Feb 2005 01:19:37 AM |
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Good fucking grief! |
From The Associated Press, 2/10/05:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/tech/2005/feb/10/021005227.html
Parents Protest Student Computer ID Tags
By LISA LEFF
ASSOCIATED PRESS
SUTTER, Calif. (AP) -
The only grade school in this rural town is requiring students to wear
radio frequency identification badges that can track their every move.
Some parents are outraged, fearing it will take away their children's
privacy.
The badges introduced at Brittan Elementary School on Jan. 18 rely on
the same radio frequency and scanner technology that companies use to
track livestock and product inventory.
Similar devices have recently been used to monitor youngsters in some
parts of Japan.
But few American school districts have embraced such a monitoring
system, and civil libertarians hope to keep it that way.
"If this school doesn't stand up, then other schools might adopt it,"
Nicole Ozer, a representative of the American Civil Liberties Union,
warned school board members at a meeting Tuesday night.
"You might be a small community, but you are one of the first
communities to use this technology."
The system was imposed, without parental input, by the school as a way
to simplify attendance-taking and potentially reduce vandalism and
improve student safety.
Principal Earnie Graham hopes to eventually add bar codes to the
existing ID's so that students can use them to pay for cafeteria meals
and check out library books.
But some parents see a system that can monitor their children's
movements on campus as something straight out of Orwell.
"There is a way to make kids safer without making them feel like a
piece of inventory," said Michael Cantrall, one of several angry
parents who complained.
"Are we trying to bring them up with respect and trust, or tell them
that you can't trust anyone, you are always going to be monitored, and
someone is always going to be watching you?"
Cantrall said he told his children, in the 5th and 7th grades, not to
wear the badges.
He also filed a protest letter with the board and alerted the ACLU.
Graham, who also serves as the superintendent of the single-school
district, told the parents that their children could be disciplined
for boycotting the badges - and that he doesn't understand what all
their angst is about.
"Sometimes when you are on the cutting edge, you get caught," Graham
said, recounting the angry phone calls and notes he has received from
parents.
Each student is required to wear identification cards around their
necks with their picture, name and grade and a wireless transmitter
that beams their ID number to a teacher's handheld computer when the
child passes under an antenna posted above a classroom door.
Graham also asked to have a chip reader installed in locker room
bathrooms to reduce vandalism, although that reader is not functional
yet.
And while he has ordered everyone on campus to wear the badges, he
said only the 7th and 8th grade classrooms are being monitored thus
far.
In addition to the privacy concerns, parents are worried that the
information on and inside the badges could wind up in the wrong hands
and endanger their children, and that radio frequency technology might
carry health risks.
Graham dismisses each objection, arguing that the devices do not emit
any cancer-causing radioactivity, and that for now, they merely
confirm that each child is in his or her classroom, rather than track
them around the school like a global-positioning device.
The 15-digit ID number that confirms attendance is encrypted, he said,
and not linked to other personal information such as an address or
telephone number.
What's more, he says that it is within his power to set rules that
promote a positive school environment:
If he thinks ID badges will improve things, he says, then badges there
will be.
"You know what it comes down to? I believe junior high students want
to be stylish. This is not stylish," he said.
This latest adaptation of radio frequency ID technology was developed
by InCom Corp., a local company co-founded by the parent of a former
Brittan student, and some parents are suspicious about the financial
relationship between the school and the company.
InCom plans to promote it at a national convention of school
administrators next month.
InCom has paid the school several thousand dollars for agreeing to the
experiment, and has promised a royalty from each sale if the system
takes off, said the company's co-founder, Michael Dobson, who works as
a technology specialist in the town's high school.
Brittan's technology aide also works part-time for InCom.
Not everyone in this close-knit farming town northwest of Sacramento
is against the system.
Some said they welcomed the IDs as a security measure.
"This is not Mayberry. This is Sutter, California. Bad things can
happen here," said Tim Crabtree, an area parent.
---
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| User: "Advanced Claytons And Dragons" |
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11 Feb 2005 05:11:32 PM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:110on6kp94na158@corp.supernews.com...
From The Associated Press, 2/10/05:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/tech/2005/feb/10/021005227.html
Parents Protest Student Computer ID Tags
By LISA LEFF
ASSOCIATED PRESS
SUTTER, Calif. (AP) -
The only grade school in this rural town is requiring students to wear
radio frequency identification badges that can track their every move.
How many of them do you think have been attached to stray dogs so far?
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| User: "stoney" |
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13 Feb 2005 08:04:06 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:11:32 +1000, "Advanced Claytons And Dragons"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:110on6kp94na158@corp.supernews.com...
From The Associated Press, 2/10/05:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/tech/2005/feb/10/021005227.html
Parents Protest Student Computer ID Tags
By LISA LEFF
ASSOCIATED PRESS
SUTTER, Calif. (AP) -
The only grade school in this rural town is requiring students to wear
radio frequency identification badges that can track their every move.
How many of them do you think have been attached to stray dogs so far?
MMMMMMMMMMMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHHH
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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11 Feb 2005 12:24:42 PM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
From The Associated Press, 2/10/05:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/tech/2005/feb/10/021005227.html
I am willing to bet that Sutter, like many small towns, is more religious
than average.
The system was imposed, without parental input, by the school as a way
to simplify attendance-taking and potentially reduce vandalism and
improve student safety.
Principal Earnie Graham hopes to eventually add bar codes to the
existing ID's so that students can use them to pay for cafeteria meals
and check out library books.
"Also [the Great Beast] causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor,
both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that
no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast
or the number of its name. (Revelations 13:16-17)"
In his book, "The Late Great Planet Earth", failed prophet and TBN darling
Hal Lindsay proclaimed that the Mark of the Beast would be some kind of bar
code or ID number. He latter claimed that it would be a radio transmitter
embedded in the skin.
If Principal Graham is a fundamentalist pushing this kind of technology...
oh, the irony!
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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| User: "desert phile@hot mail.com Unbiased Observer" |
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| Title: Re: Good fucking grief! |
11 Feb 2005 03:58:49 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:24:42 -0800, Gregory Gadow
<techbear@serv.net> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
From The Associated Press, 2/10/05:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/tech/2005/feb/10/021005227.html
I am willing to bet that Sutter, like many small towns, is more religious
than average.
Or pretending to be.
The system was imposed, without parental input, by the school as a way
to simplify attendance-taking and potentially reduce vandalism and
improve student safety.
And improve fascism.
Principal Earnie Graham hopes to eventually add bar codes to the
existing ID's so that students can use them to pay for cafeteria meals
and check out library books.
"Also [the Great Beast] causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor,
both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that
no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast
or the number of its name. (Revelations 13:16-17)"
Yeah, it was the "Using the tracking device and bar code to buy at
the school bookstore and cafeteria" that made me chuckle.
In his book, "The Late Great Planet Earth", failed prophet and TBN darling
Hal Lindsay proclaimed that the Mark of the Beast would be some kind of bar
code or ID number. He latter claimed that it would be a radio transmitter
embedded in the skin.
According to the Bible it was Nero who was the beast; Rev. Lindsay
and his ilk seem to have somehow missed that fact.
If Principal Graham is a fundamentalist pushing this kind of technology...
oh, the irony!
Fundamerntalist Christians hypocrites? No irony there!
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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http://lastliberal.org
Free random & sequential signature changer http://holysmoke.org/sig
"I will pray for your poor demented soul.: - "Bill Ferg"
"Who has not seen a salt fish, thoroughly cured for this world, so that
nothing can spoil it, and putting the perseverance of the saints to the
blush?" -- Henry David Thoreau, from _Walden_
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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11 Feb 2005 03:58:44 AM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
From The Associated Press, 2/10/05:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/tech/2005/feb/10/021005227.html
Parents Protest Student Computer ID Tags
By LISA LEFF
ASSOCIATED PRESS
SUTTER, Calif. (AP) -
The only grade school in this rural town is requiring students to
wear
radio frequency identification badges that can track their every
move.
Some parents are outraged, fearing it will take away their children's
privacy.
The badges introduced at Brittan Elementary School on Jan. 18 rely on
the same radio frequency and scanner technology that companies use to
track livestock and product inventory.
There you have it folks. The new face of the American government
providing "school security" and turning our schools into such
restrictive environments, not even prisons can match it. Children are
simply livestock and product inventory to the State.
Similar devices have recently been used to monitor youngsters in some
parts of Japan.
But few American school districts have embraced such a monitoring
system, and civil libertarians hope to keep it that way.
"If this school doesn't stand up, then other schools might adopt it,"
Nicole Ozer, a representative of the American Civil Liberties Union,
warned school board members at a meeting Tuesday night.
"You might be a small community, but you are one of the first
communities to use this technology."
The system was imposed, without parental input, by the school as a
way
to simplify attendance-taking and potentially reduce vandalism and
improve student safety.
Principal Earnie Graham hopes to eventually add bar codes to the
existing ID's so that students can use them to pay for cafeteria
meals
and check out library books.
But some parents see a system that can monitor their children's
movements on campus as something straight out of Orwell.
"There is a way to make kids safer without making them feel like a
piece of inventory," said Michael Cantrall, one of several angry
parents who complained.
"Are we trying to bring them up with respect and trust, or tell them
that you can't trust anyone, you are always going to be monitored,
and
someone is always going to be watching you?"
Cantrall said he told his children, in the 5th and 7th grades, not to
wear the badges.
He also filed a protest letter with the board and alerted the ACLU.
Graham, who also serves as the superintendent of the single-school
district, told the parents that their children could be disciplined
for boycotting the badges - and that he doesn't understand what all
their angst is about.
"Sometimes when you are on the cutting edge, you get caught," Graham
said, recounting the angry phone calls and notes he has received from
parents.
Each student is required to wear identification cards around their
necks with their picture, name and grade and a wireless transmitter
that beams their ID number to a teacher's handheld computer when the
child passes under an antenna posted above a classroom door.
Graham also asked to have a chip reader installed in locker room
bathrooms to reduce vandalism, although that reader is not functional
yet.
And while he has ordered everyone on campus to wear the badges, he
said only the 7th and 8th grade classrooms are being monitored thus
far.
In addition to the privacy concerns, parents are worried that the
information on and inside the badges could wind up in the wrong hands
and endanger their children, and that radio frequency technology
might
carry health risks.
Graham dismisses each objection, arguing that the devices do not emit
any cancer-causing radioactivity, and that for now, they merely
confirm that each child is in his or her classroom, rather than track
them around the school like a global-positioning device.
The 15-digit ID number that confirms attendance is encrypted, he
said,
and not linked to other personal information such as an address or
telephone number.
What's more, he says that it is within his power to set rules that
promote a positive school environment:
If he thinks ID badges will improve things, he says, then badges
there
will be.
"You know what it comes down to? I believe junior high students want
to be stylish. This is not stylish," he said.
This latest adaptation of radio frequency ID technology was developed
by InCom Corp., a local company co-founded by the parent of a former
Brittan student, and some parents are suspicious about the financial
relationship between the school and the company.
InCom plans to promote it at a national convention of school
administrators next month.
InCom has paid the school several thousand dollars for agreeing to
the
experiment, and has promised a royalty from each sale if the system
takes off, said the company's co-founder, Michael Dobson, who works
as
a technology specialist in the town's high school.
Brittan's technology aide also works part-time for InCom.
Not everyone in this close-knit farming town northwest of Sacramento
is against the system.
Some said they welcomed the IDs as a security measure.
"This is not Mayberry. This is Sutter, California. Bad things can
happen here," said Tim Crabtree, an area parent.
---
Stop Elmer Fudd web site: http://www.ElmerFudd.US/
Covert text file server: http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
FRice Antiwar: http://www.skeptictank.org/antiwar.htm
Another Scientology murder: http://PerkinsTragedy.org
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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11 Feb 2005 09:05:15 PM |
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"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
From The Associated Press, 2/10/05:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/tech/2005/feb/10/021005227.html
The badges introduced at Brittan Elementary School on Jan. 18 rely on
the same radio frequency and scanner technology that companies use to
track livestock and product inventory.
There you have it folks. The new face of the American government
providing "school security" and turning our schools into such
restrictive environments, not even prisons can match it. Children are
simply livestock and product inventory to the State.
Yep! And all for the good of the folken.
This little fascist act at this school is one of the many manifestations
of what the Bush fascist regime means for America. This school's crooks
getting money from the manufacturer sees that there's no more laws thanks
to this fascist regime.
---
Stop Elmer Fudd web site: http://www.ElmerFudd.US/
Covert text file server: http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
FRice Antiwar: http://www.skeptictank.org/antiwar.htm
Another Scientology murder: http://PerkinsTragedy.org
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| User: "" |
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12 Feb 2005 01:02:09 AM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
From The Associated Press, 2/10/05:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/tech/2005/feb/10/021005227.html
Parents Protest Student Computer ID Tags
The only grade school in this rural town is requiring students to
wear
radio frequency identification badges that can track their every
move.
Some parents are outraged, fearing it will take away their children's
privacy.
On parolees and those under house arrest, they're called ankle
monitors.
The most insidious part about this is they want the youngest kids
wear them. Imagine a generation that grows up wearing monitors
their whole lives and have no concept of privacy.
Principal Earnie Graham hopes to eventually add bar codes to the
existing ID's so that students can use them to pay for cafeteria
meals
and check out library books.
I'd go along with this, kids wearing monitors during school
hours *provided* he, the principal is willing to wear one 24/7
and let his internet usage be monitored so that parents can
check up on *him*.
Even money says we find him somewhere inappropriate (whorehouse,
XXX movies, bar hopping) within a week.
Bob Dog
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| User: "sanguinevikings" |
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11 Feb 2005 04:30:34 AM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
From The Associated Press, 2/10/05:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/tech/2005/feb/10/021005227.html
Parents Protest Student Computer ID Tags
By LISA LEFF
ASSOCIATED PRESS
SUTTER, Calif. (AP) -
The only grade school in this rural town is requiring students to wear
radio frequency identification badges that can track their every move.
I wonder how much Badge No 6 would fetch on eBay.
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| User: "johac" |
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12 Feb 2005 02:55:38 AM |
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In article <110on6kp94na158@corp.supernews.com>,
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
From The Associated Press, 2/10/05:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/tech/2005/feb/10/021005227.html
Parents Protest Student Computer ID Tags
By LISA LEFF
ASSOCIATED PRESS
SUTTER, Calif. (AP) -
The only grade school in this rural town is requiring students to wear
radio frequency identification badges that can track their every move.
Big Brother has arrived.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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11 Feb 2005 04:27:20 PM |
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In our last episode <110on6kp94na158@corp.supernews.com>, Fredric L. Rice
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
"You know what it comes down to? I believe junior high students want to be
stylish. This is not stylish," he said.
What it "comes down to" is indoctrinating kids into the surveillance
society...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "stoney" |
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13 Feb 2005 08:03:47 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:27:20 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <110on6kp94na158@corp.supernews.com>, Fredric L. Rice
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
"You know what it comes down to? I believe junior high students want to be
stylish. This is not stylish," he said.
What it "comes down to" is indoctrinating kids into the surveillance
society...
Why, yes. (grim smile) Who is watching the watchers?
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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