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20 Dec 2006 08:47:51 AM |
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Good scientists have an open mind |
From:Kate - view profile
Date:Sun, Dec 3 2006 12:48 pm
Groups: alt.atheism
If you are studying something scientifically, you shouldn't have a
belief either way. Good scientists have an open mind.
Agnostics by definition don't consider belief a good thing. You keep
saying you are an agnostic and yet continually ask for people's
beliefs.
I don't think you really understand agnosticism or scientific study.
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V:
"If you are studying something scientifically, you shouldn't have a
belief either way"
Good point Kate, although I make no claim to being a scientist and just
do the best I can, i do try to keep an open mind. This is also why I
list myself as agnostic. I lean toward Yahweh being fictional 85%, but
I also will say I may be wrong 15% in my mind. So am probably more
atheists in my mix with this subject.
Lets look at the '100% sure atheist' from a past thread I wrote.
V:
"Atheist handbook. Is there one?"
A few replies:
From: J Forbes...yeah, you'll find it in the bookstore in the hobby
section, right next to the "not collecting stamps" books."
From: John Popelish...No. What purpose would such a compilation serve?
From: Mark K. Bilbo...Nope.
From: John Baker...No. Unlike theists, atheists are smart enough to get
though life without an owner's manual. <G>
From: Robibnikoff...LOL! No ;)
From: Brian E. Clark ... No, but I'm thinking of writing an atheist
cookbook.
V:
A little studying about the topic of atheist handbook at my library
brought up "The Atheist Debater's Handbook" by B.C. Johnson. ISBN:
0879751525
So, we have atheists being dogmatic that they are right, yet they end
up wrong. This is the trouble when we talk atheism and say there is
nothing beyond our life on earth or the supernatural, when just as the
theist does not know, so it goes with the atheist that does not know.
this is why I list myself as agnostic...I do not have all the answers.
We all seem to inject our personal prejudices, hopes and desires into
the equation, no matter who we are, don't we Kate. Remember when you
wrote me..."You aren't trying to help anyone but your own self. Go
away, we have no interest in touching your pee pee." Well, your
conclusion is not exactly right. Yes, I am trying to help myself by
refreshing peace tools within me as I share them, but I also have the
possibility of helping someone else by sharing these tools with others.
Whether these seeds of peace sprout is not my concern, for as I water
the seeds within others, the same seeds get watered within me.
As for me polling others about their beliefs at alt.atheists?
Yes, I am trying to find boundaries that define atheists for this
group, as I did not associate with any atheists after being Catholic
for 50 years. I am just a newbie to all this, so yes I am trying to
learn Kate. I am not running my own spiritual beliefs by a poll of
what others believe, just curious about atheists.
For instance witchypoo? Is she into wicca or does she just like cute
names? Can 'true atheists' be wiccians? As wiccians may be atheist,
but wiccians believe in supernatural - is there a conflict?
Good Luck,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
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20 Dec 2006 06:44:53 PM |
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"Atheist handbook. Is there one?"
A little studying about the topic of atheist handbook at my library
brought up "The Atheist Debater's Handbook" by B.C. Johnson. ISBN:
0879751525
So, we have atheists being dogmatic that they are right, yet they end
up wrong.
So you found an atheist handbook. Good for you. I'm sure there are
many. But it seems to me that the question is asking if there is "one"
book which Atheists refer to. And the answer to that is no. Atheists
do not rely on one book with all the answers which have been
predetermined for you. They can use common sense and reasoning, not
superstitions.
As for being an agnostic "freethinker", look at all the evidence for a
"soul" and "life after death" and you will see that there is none!
Look at the formation of the universe and evolution of life on earth.
No evidence of a god there either. Don't bother turning to "The
Atheist Debater's Handbook" for answers, any science book will do.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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22 Dec 2006 08:55:13 PM |
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On 20 Dec 2006 06:47:51 -0800, "V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
Good point Kate, although I make no claim to being a scientist and just
do the best I can, i do try to keep an open mind. This is also why I
list myself as agnostic. I lean toward Yahweh being fictional 85%
Since there's no actual evidence of any god, agnostics don't make
statements about gods. You do, so you're not agnostic.
but I also will say I may be wrong 15% in my mind. So am probably more
atheists in my mix with this subject.
Belief and knowledge are orthogonal, not degrees of the same thing.
Lets look at the '100% sure atheist' from a past thread I wrote.
Since atheism doesn't deal with certainty, for or against, what you
wrote has nothing to do with reality.
So, we have atheists being dogmatic that they are right, yet they end
up wrong. This is the trouble when we talk atheism and say there is
nothing beyond our life on earth or the supernatural
What part of "there IS NO EVIDENCE" confuses you?
Agnostic Freethinker
You're not agnostic and you can't think, but don't let reality bother
you..
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rukbat at optonline dot net
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe is fine tuned
for life is akin to a puddle being surprised at how well it
fits its hole"
- Douglas Adams
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "Stephen Knight" |
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20 Dec 2006 10:19:35 PM |
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On 20 Dec 2006 06:47:51 -0800, "V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
If you are studying something scientifically, you shouldn't have a
belief either way. Good scientists have an open mind.
Another dishonest religious bleat from Apologetic. The 'open mind
gambit'. I've heard that stupid reference so many times I could puke.
Open your mind and believe in my Magic Pixie, if you don't, your
mind is closed and you're fucked up.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
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| User: "Kate " |
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20 Dec 2006 10:44:01 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:19:35 -0800, Stephen Knight
<wooly51@comcast.net> wrote:
On 20 Dec 2006 06:47:51 -0800, "V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
If you are studying something scientifically, you shouldn't have a
belief either way. Good scientists have an open mind.
Another dishonest religious bleat from Apologetic. The 'open mind
gambit'. I've heard that stupid reference so many times I could puke.
Open your mind and believe in my Magic Pixie, if you don't, your
mind is closed and you're fucked up.
LOL Steve, that was something I said. It's completely out of context
as usual. V is very dishonest about such things.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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21 Dec 2006 11:13:11 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:47:51 -0800, V wrote:
From:Kate - view profile
Date:Sun, Dec 3 2006 12:48 pm
Groups: alt.atheism
If you are studying something scientifically, you shouldn't have a
belief either way. Good scientists have an open mind.
Agnostics by definition don't consider belief a good thing. You keep
saying you are an agnostic and yet continually ask for people's
beliefs.
I don't think you really understand agnosticism or scientific study.
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
V:
"If you are studying something scientifically, you shouldn't have a
belief either way"
Good point Kate, although I make no claim to being a scientist and just
do the best I can, i do try to keep an open mind. This is also why I
list myself as agnostic. I lean toward Yahweh being fictional 85%, but
I also will say I may be wrong 15% in my mind. So am probably more
atheists in my mix with this subject.
Lets look at the '100% sure atheist' from a past thread I wrote.
V:
"Atheist handbook. Is there one?"
A few replies:
From: J Forbes...yeah, you'll find it in the bookstore in the hobby
section, right next to the "not collecting stamps" books."
From: John Popelish...No. What purpose would such a compilation serve?
From: Mark K. Bilbo...Nope.
From: John Baker...No. Unlike theists, atheists are smart enough to get
though life without an owner's manual. <G>
From: Robibnikoff...LOL! No
From: Brian E. Clark ... No, but I'm thinking of writing an atheist
cookbook.
V:
A little studying about the topic of atheist handbook at my library
brought up "The Atheist Debater's Handbook" by B.C. Johnson. ISBN:
0879751525
So, we have atheists being dogmatic that they are right, yet they end
up wrong.
You're insane. I mean literally, you need help. I mean you actually think
you have a point here.
Damn.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because
if there be one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather
than that of blindfolded Fear"
- Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Kate " |
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21 Dec 2006 02:26:01 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:13:11 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:47:51 -0800, V wrote:
From:Kate - view profile
Date:Sun, Dec 3 2006 12:48 pm
Groups: alt.atheism
If you are studying something scientifically, you shouldn't have a
belief either way. Good scientists have an open mind.
Agnostics by definition don't consider belief a good thing. You keep
saying you are an agnostic and yet continually ask for people's
beliefs.
I don't think you really understand agnosticism or scientific study.
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
V:
"If you are studying something scientifically, you shouldn't have a
belief either way"
Good point Kate, although I make no claim to being a scientist and just
do the best I can, i do try to keep an open mind. This is also why I
list myself as agnostic. I lean toward Yahweh being fictional 85%, but
I also will say I may be wrong 15% in my mind. So am probably more
atheists in my mix with this subject.
Lets look at the '100% sure atheist' from a past thread I wrote.
V:
"Atheist handbook. Is there one?"
A few replies:
From: J Forbes...yeah, you'll find it in the bookstore in the hobby
section, right next to the "not collecting stamps" books."
From: John Popelish...No. What purpose would such a compilation serve?
From: Mark K. Bilbo...Nope.
From: John Baker...No. Unlike theists, atheists are smart enough to get
though life without an owner's manual. <G>
From: Robibnikoff...LOL! No
From: Brian E. Clark ... No, but I'm thinking of writing an atheist
cookbook.
V:
A little studying about the topic of atheist handbook at my library
brought up "The Atheist Debater's Handbook" by B.C. Johnson. ISBN:
0879751525
So, we have atheists being dogmatic that they are right, yet they end
up wrong.
You're insane. I mean literally, you need help. I mean you actually think
you have a point here.
Damn.
You mean having 'atheist' and 'handbook' in the same title does not
mean the book is the 'official' handbook of all atheists?
How astounding!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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22 Dec 2006 10:16:52 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:26:01 -0600, Kate wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:13:11 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:47:51 -0800, V wrote:
From:Kate - view profile
Date:Sun, Dec 3 2006 12:48 pm
Groups: alt.atheism
If you are studying something scientifically, you shouldn't have a
belief either way. Good scientists have an open mind.
Agnostics by definition don't consider belief a good thing. You keep
saying you are an agnostic and yet continually ask for people's
beliefs.
I don't think you really understand agnosticism or scientific study.
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
V:
"If you are studying something scientifically, you shouldn't have a
belief either way"
Good point Kate, although I make no claim to being a scientist and just
do the best I can, i do try to keep an open mind. This is also why I
list myself as agnostic. I lean toward Yahweh being fictional 85%, but
I also will say I may be wrong 15% in my mind. So am probably more
atheists in my mix with this subject.
Lets look at the '100% sure atheist' from a past thread I wrote.
V:
"Atheist handbook. Is there one?"
A few replies:
From: J Forbes...yeah, you'll find it in the bookstore in the hobby
section, right next to the "not collecting stamps" books."
From: John Popelish...No. What purpose would such a compilation serve?
From: Mark K. Bilbo...Nope.
From: John Baker...No. Unlike theists, atheists are smart enough to get
though life without an owner's manual. <G>
From: Robibnikoff...LOL! No
From: Brian E. Clark ... No, but I'm thinking of writing an atheist
cookbook.
V:
A little studying about the topic of atheist handbook at my library
brought up "The Atheist Debater's Handbook" by B.C. Johnson. ISBN:
0879751525
So, we have atheists being dogmatic that they are right, yet they end
up wrong.
You're insane. I mean literally, you need help. I mean you actually think
you have a point here.
Damn.
You mean having 'atheist' and 'handbook' in the same title does not
mean the book is the 'official' handbook of all atheists?
How astounding!
Amazing ennit?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"The problem with defending the purity of the English language
is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse *****. We don't
just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other
languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their
pockets for new vocabulary." -James D. Nicoll
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| User: "leo" |
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20 Dec 2006 05:25:46 PM |
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V ha escrito:
From:Kate - view profile
Date:Sun, Dec 3 2006 12:48 pm
Groups: alt.atheism
If you are studying something scientifically, you shouldn't have a
belief either way. Good scientists have an open mind.
Agnostics by definition don't consider belief a good thing. You keep
saying you are an agnostic and yet continually ask for people's
beliefs.
I don't think you really understand agnosticism or scientific study.
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
V:
"If you are studying something scientifically, you shouldn't have a
belief either way"
Good point Kate, although I make no claim to being a scientist and just
do the best I can, i do try to keep an open mind. This is also why I
list myself as agnostic. I lean toward Yahweh being fictional 85%, but
I also will say I may be wrong 15% in my mind. So am probably more
atheists in my mix with this subject.
We cannot logically made estatistics about things that are unique and
of dubious existence.
If instead of single god, were lots and lots of them, like thousands or
millions, and if the said gods were objective, that is physical gods,
that could be studied with differents instruments, like atomic
particles, or just make questions to the said gods, to record what they
say about this or that, or to ask them to do some miracles, etc. Well,
in that case, we can produce statistics and establish chances about
gods.
But as most experts say there is only one god then... well, if this god
is invisible, and only manifest itself to some human nuts here and
there... or well, the only wonders and miracles I know of god are those
written in the several holy scriptures of Xians, Muslims, Hindus and
others. So, we cannot guess any chances about god's existence.
Leopoldo
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20 Dec 2006 05:29:03 PM |
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V ha escrito:
From:Kate - view profile
Date:Sun, Dec 3 2006 12:48 pm
Groups: alt.atheism
If you are studying something scientifically, you shouldn't have a
belief either way. Good scientists have an open mind.
An open mind? It is good to have an open mind, but take care your mind
would not be very open, or your brains could fall off on the dirty
floor.
Leopoldo
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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20 Dec 2006 09:07:46 AM |
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V wrote:
From:Kate - view profile
Date:Sun, Dec 3 2006 12:48 pm
Groups: alt.atheism
If you are studying something scientifically, you shouldn't have a
belief either way. Good scientists have an open mind.
Agnostics by definition don't consider belief a good thing. You keep
saying you are an agnostic and yet continually ask for people's
beliefs.
I don't think you really understand agnosticism or scientific study.
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
V:
"If you are studying something scientifically, you shouldn't have a
belief either way"
Good point Kate, although I make no claim to being a scientist and just
do the best I can, i do try to keep an open mind. This is also why I
list myself as agnostic. I lean toward Yahweh being fictional 85%, but
I also will say I may be wrong 15% in my mind. So am probably more
atheists in my mix with this subject.
Lets look at the '100% sure atheist' from a past thread I wrote.
V:
"Atheist handbook. Is there one?"
A few replies:
From: J Forbes...yeah, you'll find it in the bookstore in the hobby
section, right next to the "not collecting stamps" books."
From: John Popelish...No. What purpose would such a compilation serve?
From: Mark K. Bilbo...Nope.
From: John Baker...No. Unlike theists, atheists are smart enough to get
though life without an owner's manual. <G>
From: Robibnikoff...LOL! No ;)
From: Brian E. Clark ... No, but I'm thinking of writing an atheist
cookbook.
V:
A little studying about the topic of atheist handbook at my library
brought up "The Atheist Debater's Handbook" by B.C. Johnson. ISBN:
0879751525
So, we have atheists being dogmatic that they are right, yet they end
up wrong. This is the trouble when we talk atheism and say there is
nothing beyond our life on earth or the supernatural, when just as the
theist does not know, so it goes with the atheist that does not know.
this is why I list myself as agnostic...I do not have all the answers.
We all seem to inject our personal prejudices, hopes and desires into
the equation, no matter who we are, don't we Kate. Remember when you
wrote me..."You aren't trying to help anyone but your own self. Go
away, we have no interest in touching your pee pee." Well, your
conclusion is not exactly right. Yes, I am trying to help myself by
refreshing peace tools within me as I share them, but I also have the
possibility of helping someone else by sharing these tools with others.
Whether these seeds of peace sprout is not my concern, for as I water
the seeds within others, the same seeds get watered within me.
As for me polling others about their beliefs at alt.atheists?
Yes, I am trying to find boundaries that define atheists for this
group, as I did not associate with any atheists after being Catholic
for 50 years. I am just a newbie to all this, so yes I am trying to
learn Kate. I am not running my own spiritual beliefs by a poll of
what others believe, just curious about atheists.
For instance witchypoo? Is she into wicca or does she just like cute
names? Can 'true atheists' be wiccians? As wiccians may be atheist,
but wiccians believe in supernatural - is there a conflict?
Good Luck,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
It's always good to have an open mind, but not so far open that your
brains fall out.
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20 Dec 2006 09:41:41 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 07:07:46 -0800, Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
V wrote:
From:Kate - view profile
Date:Sun, Dec 3 2006 12:48 pm
Groups: alt.atheism
If you are studying something scientifically, you shouldn't have a
belief either way. Good scientists have an open mind.
Agnostics by definition don't consider belief a good thing. You keep
saying you are an agnostic and yet continually ask for people's
beliefs.
I don't think you really understand agnosticism or scientific study.
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
V:
"If you are studying something scientifically, you shouldn't have a
belief either way"
Good point Kate, although I make no claim to being a scientist and just
do the best I can, i do try to keep an open mind. This is also why I
list myself as agnostic. I lean toward Yahweh being fictional 85%, but
I also will say I may be wrong 15% in my mind. So am probably more
atheists in my mix with this subject.
Lets look at the '100% sure atheist' from a past thread I wrote.
V:
"Atheist handbook. Is there one?"
A few replies:
From: J Forbes...yeah, you'll find it in the bookstore in the hobby
section, right next to the "not collecting stamps" books."
From: John Popelish...No. What purpose would such a compilation serve?
From: Mark K. Bilbo...Nope.
From: John Baker...No. Unlike theists, atheists are smart enough to get
though life without an owner's manual. <G>
From: Robibnikoff...LOL! No ;)
From: Brian E. Clark ... No, but I'm thinking of writing an atheist
cookbook.
V:
A little studying about the topic of atheist handbook at my library
brought up "The Atheist Debater's Handbook" by B.C. Johnson. ISBN:
0879751525
So, we have atheists being dogmatic that they are right, yet they end
up wrong. This is the trouble when we talk atheism and say there is
nothing beyond our life on earth or the supernatural, when just as the
theist does not know, so it goes with the atheist that does not know.
this is why I list myself as agnostic...I do not have all the answers.
We all seem to inject our personal prejudices, hopes and desires into
the equation, no matter who we are, don't we Kate. Remember when you
wrote me..."You aren't trying to help anyone but your own self. Go
away, we have no interest in touching your pee pee." Well, your
conclusion is not exactly right. Yes, I am trying to help myself by
refreshing peace tools within me as I share them, but I also have the
possibility of helping someone else by sharing these tools with others.
Whether these seeds of peace sprout is not my concern, for as I water
the seeds within others, the same seeds get watered within me.
As for me polling others about their beliefs at alt.atheists?
Yes, I am trying to find boundaries that define atheists for this
group, as I did not associate with any atheists after being Catholic
for 50 years. I am just a newbie to all this, so yes I am trying to
learn Kate. I am not running my own spiritual beliefs by a poll of
what others believe, just curious about atheists.
For instance witchypoo? Is she into wicca or does she just like cute
names? Can 'true atheists' be wiccians? As wiccians may be atheist,
but wiccians believe in supernatural - is there a conflict?
Good Luck,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
It's always good to have an open mind, but not so far open that your
brains fall out.
Too late...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because
if there be one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather
than that of blindfolded Fear"
- Thomas Jefferson
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20 Dec 2006 10:03:21 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:8_idnaSbu_goxBTYnZ2dnUVZ_r_inZ2d@giganews.com...
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 07:07:46 -0800, Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
V wrote:
From:Kate - view profile
Date:Sun, Dec 3 2006 12:48 pm
Groups: alt.atheism
If you are studying something scientifically, you shouldn't have a
belief either way. Good scientists have an open mind.
Agnostics by definition don't consider belief a good thing. You keep
saying you are an agnostic and yet continually ask for people's
beliefs.
I don't think you really understand agnosticism or scientific study.
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
V:
"If you are studying something scientifically, you shouldn't have a
belief either way"
Good point Kate, although I make no claim to being a scientist and just
do the best I can, i do try to keep an open mind. This is also why I
list myself as agnostic. I lean toward Yahweh being fictional 85%, but
I also will say I may be wrong 15% in my mind. So am probably more
atheists in my mix with this subject.
Lets look at the '100% sure atheist' from a past thread I wrote.
V:
"Atheist handbook. Is there one?"
A few replies:
From: J Forbes...yeah, you'll find it in the bookstore in the hobby
section, right next to the "not collecting stamps" books."
From: John Popelish...No. What purpose would such a compilation serve?
From: Mark K. Bilbo...Nope.
From: John Baker...No. Unlike theists, atheists are smart enough to get
though life without an owner's manual. <G>
From: Robibnikoff...LOL! No ;)
From: Brian E. Clark ... No, but I'm thinking of writing an atheist
cookbook.
V:
A little studying about the topic of atheist handbook at my library
brought up "The Atheist Debater's Handbook" by B.C. Johnson. ISBN:
0879751525
So, we have atheists being dogmatic that they are right, yet they end
up wrong. This is the trouble when we talk atheism and say there is
nothing beyond our life on earth or the supernatural, when just as the
theist does not know, so it goes with the atheist that does not know.
this is why I list myself as agnostic...I do not have all the answers.
We all seem to inject our personal prejudices, hopes and desires into
the equation, no matter who we are, don't we Kate. Remember when you
wrote me..."You aren't trying to help anyone but your own self. Go
away, we have no interest in touching your pee pee." Well, your
conclusion is not exactly right. Yes, I am trying to help myself by
refreshing peace tools within me as I share them, but I also have the
possibility of helping someone else by sharing these tools with others.
Whether these seeds of peace sprout is not my concern, for as I water
the seeds within others, the same seeds get watered within me.
As for me polling others about their beliefs at alt.atheists?
Yes, I am trying to find boundaries that define atheists for this
group, as I did not associate with any atheists after being Catholic
for 50 years. I am just a newbie to all this, so yes I am trying to
learn Kate. I am not running my own spiritual beliefs by a poll of
what others believe, just curious about atheists.
For instance witchypoo? Is she into wicca or does she just like cute
names? Can 'true atheists' be wiccians? As wiccians may be atheist,
but wiccians believe in supernatural - is there a conflict?
Good Luck,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
It's always good to have an open mind, but not so far open that your
brains fall out.
Too late...
Just wipe off the saw dust and wash it under the tap, they will never know
the difference.
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Mark K. Bilbo
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"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because
if there be one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather
than that of blindfolded Fear"
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| Title: Re: Good scientists have an open mind |
20 Dec 2006 10:09:59 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:8_idnaSbu_goxBTYnZ2dnUVZ_r_inZ2d@giganews.com...
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 07:07:46 -0800, Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
V wrote:
From:Kate - view profile
Date:Sun, Dec 3 2006 12:48 pm
Groups: alt.atheism
If you are studying something scientifically, you shouldn't have a
belief either way. Good scientists have an open mind.
Agnostics by definition don't consider belief a good thing. You keep
saying you are an agnostic and yet continually ask for people's
beliefs.
I don't think you really understand agnosticism or scientific study.
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V:
"If you are studying something scientifically, you shouldn't have a
belief either way"
Good point Kate, although I make no claim to being a scientist and just
do the best I can, i do try to keep an open mind. This is also why I
list myself as agnostic. I lean toward Yahweh being fictional 85%, but
I also will say I may be wrong 15% in my mind. So am probably more
atheists in my mix with this subject.
Lets look at the '100% sure atheist' from a past thread I wrote.
V:
"Atheist handbook. Is there one?"
A few replies:
From: J Forbes...yeah, you'll find it in the bookstore in the hobby
section, right next to the "not collecting stamps" books."
From: John Popelish...No. What purpose would such a compilation serve?
From: Mark K. Bilbo...Nope.
From: John Baker...No. Unlike theists, atheists are smart enough to get
though life without an owner's manual. <G>
From: Robibnikoff...LOL! No ;)
From: Brian E. Clark ... No, but I'm thinking of writing an atheist
cookbook.
V:
A little studying about the topic of atheist handbook at my library
brought up "The Atheist Debater's Handbook" by B.C. Johnson. ISBN:
0879751525
So, we have atheists being dogmatic that they are right, yet they end
up wrong. This is the trouble when we talk atheism and say there is
nothing beyond our life on earth or the supernatural, when just as the
theist does not know, so it goes with the atheist that does not know.
this is why I list myself as agnostic...I do not have all the answers.
We all seem to inject our personal prejudices, hopes and desires into
the equation, no matter who we are, don't we Kate. Remember when you
wrote me..."You aren't trying to help anyone but your own self. Go
away, we have no interest in touching your pee pee." Well, your
conclusion is not exactly right. Yes, I am trying to help myself by
refreshing peace tools within me as I share them, but I also have the
possibility of helping someone else by sharing these tools with others.
Whether these seeds of peace sprout is not my concern, for as I water
the seeds within others, the same seeds get watered within me.
As for me polling others about their beliefs at alt.atheists?
Yes, I am trying to find boundaries that define atheists for this
group, as I did not associate with any atheists after being Catholic
for 50 years. I am just a newbie to all this, so yes I am trying to
learn Kate. I am not running my own spiritual beliefs by a poll of
what others believe, just curious about atheists.
For instance witchypoo? Is she into wicca or does she just like cute
names? Can 'true atheists' be wiccians? As wiccians may be atheist,
but wiccians believe in supernatural - is there a conflict?
Good Luck,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
It's always good to have an open mind, but not so far open that your
brains fall out.
Too late...
Seriously though, sometimes a little removal is a good thing. I say this in
a virtual way, like removing programs from you PC. We all have prejuduces,
and we all prefer to not admit it when one of them blows up in public and we
get caught out with it not standing up.
Free thinking is a good thing.
I tend to think of the universe as being all energy, and it is the core of
all things.
Science says as much with the laws of thermo dynamics.
This energy I believe is the substance of everything and interacts with
others parts of itself, all things.
Radio waves are energy which ripple through most things like ripples on a
pond.
Anyway the point is that this energy we all have it, and ideally if it all
worsk in harmony together, then we have effectively heaven on earth. And
that makes this harmony the true God, the omnipresent eternal energy at the
core of all things.
And this can be tapped by mind power called prayers if one uses principles
which cause resonance effects, which is even more possible to two or three
minds in harmony transmitting this energy.
Anyway that is some science backing up the possibility for a few things
which some might dismiss without investigation. It only works if you do it,
and to do it, you gota do it properly it cant be faked.
PEace
Ray
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Mark K. Bilbo
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"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because
if there be one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather
than that of blindfolded Fear"
- Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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| Title: Re: Good scientists have an open mind |
20 Dec 2006 11:48:48 AM |
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Code Programmer wrote:
Anyway that is some science backing up the possibility for a few things
which some might dismiss without investigation. It only works if you do it,
and to do it, you gota do it properly it cant be faked.
maybe what you mean is that you have to fake it properly....
Jim
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