On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:24:59 -0600, "LC" <LCisnot@this.com> wrote:

"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:27:38 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:

"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
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GOP vision of America- subservient Jews ready to be converted to
Christianity
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/21/13431/0328
The end of this exchange left us, the Jewish delegation, in shock.
Speaker Bosma, defending the prayer issue, asked, "How many Jews
are
there in Indiana? About 2%? There are at least 80% Christians in
Indiana." The implication of this statement was that our minority
community doesn't and shouldn't have any say or any voice. It is
about the majority and what the majority wants. The jaws of the
delegation dropped to the floor. We were speechless.

Where have they been hiding? They should have just checked "Don't
understand constitutional democracy" off a list.

They were probably "hiding" in school, and learning about the
Constitution and its guarantees of equality for all, and the
protections that it offers to minorities, especially in the areas of
speech and religion.
And just so you know, not all Hoosiers are not as stupid as this
particular state Rep. I was born and raised in Indiana, and I know
this for a fact. We just have a few idiots that happen to have big
mouths and give the rest of the state a poor reputation.
Unfortunately, too many of them get elected.
Mark Sebree (and I usually vote against people like this, so I am not
responsible for them being elected.)

So you don't believe in democracy - you believe that in some
circumstances the tail should wag the dog?

Ah I get it, the 98% of the German should have a say over how to
dispose the 2% Jews!

While you no doubt posted this as a parody of bammy's position, it's far
closer to the truth of his anti-Semitic mindset than one might think:
"Typical Jew scribe approach... This is the Satanic approach - it would
be a fun game if it weren't so pernicious."
From: "bam" <mcca5...@bellsouthblahblah.net>
Message-ID: <i_mIf.7102$X7.3539@bignews7.bellsouth.net>
"All the abortionists, lesbians, queers atheist and jews
agree with you. See who's side you're on?"
From: "bam" <mcca5...@bellsouthblahblah.net>
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LC~ Has little doubt that 'lil bammy wishes he could have been a compadre
of Pope Benny in the Hitler Youth.
"There will be a Civil War - God willing - see ya then."
From: "bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net>, practicing his goose-step.
Message-ID: <3CDCf.4730$eY5.2738@bignews7.bellsouth.net>

Boy, he's a bigger loon than I give him credit for!

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"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:27:38 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet wrote:

"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
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GOP vision of America- subservient Jews ready to be converted to
Christianity


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/21/13431/0328

The end of this exchange left us, the Jewish delegation, in shock.
Speaker Bosma, defending the prayer issue, asked, "How many Jews
are
there in Indiana? About 2%? There are at least 80% Christians in
Indiana." The implication of this statement was that our minority
community doesn't and shouldn't have any say or any voice. It is
about
the majority and what the majority wants. The jaws of the
delegation
dropped to the floor. We were speechless.

Where have they been hiding? They should have just checked "Don't
understand
constitutional democracy" off a list.

They were probably "hiding" in school, and learning about the
Constitution and its guarantees of equality for all, and the
protections that it offers to minorities, especially in the areas of
speech and religion.

And just so you know, not all Hoosiers are not as stupid as this
particular state Rep. I was born and raised in Indiana, and I know
this for a fact. We just have a few idiots that happen to have big
mouths and give the rest of the state a poor reputation.
Unfortunately, too many of them get elected.

Mark Sebree (and I usually vote against people like this, so I am not
responsible for them being elected.)

So you don't believe in democracy - you believe that in some
circumstances
the tail should wag the dog?

Ah I get it, the 98% of the German should have a say over how to
dispose the 2% Jews!

But you didn't answer the question. Should laws be based upon morality or
majority?

How about basing them on the fucking constitution.

The trouble is, conservatives like you don't want freedom. You want
tyranny, like the Nazis.

Equality means that everyone has the same rights, and the same access
to those rights and services. It means that no one group is elevated
above another. It means that the minority is not silenced or
marginalized just because they are a minority.

And the First Amendment of the
Constitution states that the government will not endorse or support any
religion over any other.

There you go. Already you've paraphrased.

So are you. I just did not think I would have to quote the
Constitution to you. Apparently, I gave you too much credit on that
count.

The first amendment said that
Congress will make no law - no law - hands off - not our job - don't ask
us
anything about religion.

The exact quote is "Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion,

or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

..." It also means that no law may promote any religion, nor may the
government promote or favor any religion.

ALL religions will be treated the same, no
matter how many adherents they have.

Absolutely wrong.

Not at all. Not according to the law, the courts, and the
Constitution.

All religions will not be treated at all.

Yes, they will be. No favoritism given to any religion.

Religon will be
invisible to the state. They will make no law. What does that mean to
you?
To me, it means they will make no law.

However, you have no power, and not much knowledge. The Constitution
says that it will make no law respecting the establishment of any
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise of any religion.

nothing that says that religion must be invisible to the government,
only that they are treated equally and their practices are not
prohibited just because they are religious practices that other
religions do not like.

The government has plenty of laws about religions. That is why their
lands are not taxed.

That is also why they are prohibited from
taking a formal stance on political candidates and parties, just as all
organizations, religious or secular, that come under the same tax laws
are. The tax laws also state that contributions to religious
organizations are charitable contributions, and thus tax deductible.

If there were not any laws regarding religious organizations, most
could not afford their own property. They would lose everything to
property taxes and corporate income taxes. The exemptions that they
have makes it easier from them to continue to practice, and thus
promotes the free exercise of religion by making as many religions,
beliefs, and denominations available as possible in an area.

Therefore, a government official
cannot show any support or favoritism or disfavoritism for any
particular religion while performing his or her duties.

So you want all government employees to be atheists - beautiful.

On the job, they are required to be. In their private lives, it does
not matter. Any by the way, I am summarizing court precedence on the
matter.

Sorry bub, but that's not what it means.

It is according to the courts. And I will take the opinions of experts
over an ignorant person any day. And you are no expert.

It merely means that the government as a
lawmaker, will stay away from religion - it will not eradicate it - it
will
let it go anywhere it wants freely because the government has no power
over
it.

It can go almost anywhere EXCEPT into the law making process. It
cannot be used as a reason, especially a sole reason, for any law,
especially if that law promotes their beliefs and/or hinders or
interferes with another's beliefs. This is the basis for the Lemon
Test, which is the colloquial name for a test that the court can apply
to see if a law is Constitutional or unconstitutional on the basis of
religion. The name comes from a USSC case in 1973.

It also cannot go where it is not welcome by others. It cannot force
itself onto people's lives.

Perhaps you just do not respect the law, and believe that your beliefs
should have precedence over every one else's and over the law as well.

I merely asked you a simple question. Why can't you answer it without all
the false accusations?

BAM

I have not made any false accusations. I explained the truth simply
and fairly completely, and I addressed you in a manner commensurate
with your posts and what you have stated in the past. You have little
to no understanding of the law, and you seem to think that your beliefs
and opinions should take precedence over the law as well as everyone
else's beliefs and opinions, even when your opinions contradict the
facts. This is evident through many of your posts, not just a single
post or line.

Mark Sebree