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Religions > Atheism |
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"Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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13 Feb 2005 02:39:22 AM |
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GOP: Grand Old Propagannon |
Okay, to recap. Jeff Gannon, the fake name of a fake reporter, is a
shill created by the GOP so they can lob softball questions at the
White House Press conference in the name of "unbiased media".
The fact the JD Guckert aka Jeff Gannon owns gay porn sites such as
Hotmilitarystud.com, Militaryescorts.com and Militaryescortsm4m.com,
is of course just your average garden variety GOP hypocrisy.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/8/174746/7900
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1456 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: GOP: Grand Old Propagannon |
13 Feb 2005 06:51:59 AM |
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In our last episode <j24u0156r7fd3ik2lra7o9gua5ddh8u4pt@4ax.com>, Yang,
AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** lumbered into the room and
mumbled:
The fact the JD Guckert aka Jeff Gannon owns gay porn sites such as
Hotmilitarystud.com, Militaryescorts.com and Militaryescortsm4m.com, is of
course just your average garden variety GOP hypocrisy.
Well, neocons are nihilists who do not believe "morality" is anything but
a way of keeping the peasants in line, the elite is exempt. In their way
of thinking, Gannon wasn't "immoral" nor even "hypocritical." Just
embarrassing because he was caught and by the *help no less. Those grubby
little peasants have too much time on their hands obviously. We need to
depress wages further and increase their work week another ten hours or so.
(I seriously cannot believe the man was *so stupid as to register all his
domains under any single name. I can't help but be darkly amused at how
our new, self-appointed "elite" is just not very *bright.)
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: GOP: Grand Old Propagannon |
13 Feb 2005 09:58:30 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:GuSdnZ71cuTt0JLfRVn-jA@megapath.net:
In our last episode <j24u0156r7fd3ik2lra7o9gua5ddh8u4pt@4ax.com>,
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** lumbered into
the room and mumbled:
The fact the JD Guckert aka Jeff Gannon owns gay porn sites such as
Hotmilitarystud.com, Militaryescorts.com and Militaryescortsm4m.com,
is of course just your average garden variety GOP hypocrisy.
Well, neocons are nihilists who do not believe "morality" is anything
but a way of keeping the peasants in line, the elite is exempt. In
their way of thinking, Gannon wasn't "immoral" nor even
"hypocritical." Just embarrassing because he was caught and by the
*help no less. Those grubby little peasants have too much time on
their hands obviously. We need to depress wages further and increase
their work week another ten hours or so.
You have a problem with gays or gay porno sites? What exactly is your
problem with this guy? That he asked a question at a news conference?
(I seriously cannot believe the man was *so stupid as to register all
his domains under any single name. I can't help but be darkly amused
at how our new, self-appointed "elite" is just not very *bright.)
You think gays or gay porn sites are embarrassing?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: GOP: Grand Old Propagannon |
13 Feb 2005 02:25:50 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> writes:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:GuSdnZ71cuTt0JLfRVn-jA@megapath.net:
In our last episode <j24u0156r7fd3ik2lra7o9gua5ddh8u4pt@4ax.com>,
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** lumbered into
the room and mumbled:
The fact the JD Guckert aka Jeff Gannon owns gay porn sites such as
Hotmilitarystud.com, Militaryescorts.com and Militaryescortsm4m.com,
is of course just your average garden variety GOP hypocrisy.
Well, neocons are nihilists who do not believe "morality" is anything
but a way of keeping the peasants in line, the elite is exempt. In
their way of thinking, Gannon wasn't "immoral" nor even
"hypocritical." Just embarrassing because he was caught and by the
*help no less. Those grubby little peasants have too much time on
their hands obviously. We need to depress wages further and increase
their work week another ten hours or so.
You have a problem with gays or gay porno sites? What exactly is your
problem with this guy? That he asked a question at a news conference?
(I seriously cannot believe the man was *so stupid as to register all
his domains under any single name. I can't help but be darkly amused
at how our new, self-appointed "elite" is just not very *bright.)
You think gays or gay porn sites are embarrassing?
So how many do you own, Fred? Remember, you aren't under oath,
so you are free to lie and say you don't own any.
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: GOP: Grand Old Propagannon |
13 Feb 2005 03:19:08 PM |
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Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote in
news:420fb7ce$0$44630$a1866201@visi.com:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> writes:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:GuSdnZ71cuTt0JLfRVn-jA@megapath.net:
In our last episode <j24u0156r7fd3ik2lra7o9gua5ddh8u4pt@4ax.com>,
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** lumbered into
the room and mumbled:
The fact the JD Guckert aka Jeff Gannon owns gay porn sites such as
Hotmilitarystud.com, Militaryescorts.com and
Militaryescortsm4m.com, is of course just your average garden
variety GOP hypocrisy.
Well, neocons are nihilists who do not believe "morality" is
anything but a way of keeping the peasants in line, the elite is
exempt. In their way of thinking, Gannon wasn't "immoral" nor even
"hypocritical." Just embarrassing because he was caught and by the
*help no less. Those grubby little peasants have too much time on
their hands obviously. We need to depress wages further and increase
their work week another ten hours or so.
You have a problem with gays or gay porno sites? What exactly is your
problem with this guy? That he asked a question at a news conference?
(I seriously cannot believe the man was *so stupid as to register
all his domains under any single name. I can't help but be darkly
amused at how our new, self-appointed "elite" is just not very
*bright.)
You think gays or gay porn sites are embarrassing?
So how many do you own, Fred? Remember, you aren't under oath,
so you are free to lie and say you don't own any.
What? I own the entire Internet, didn't you know?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: GOP: Grand Old Propagannon |
13 Feb 2005 03:22:38 PM |
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In our last episode <420fb7ce$0$44630$a1866201@visi.com>, Brian Westley
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> writes:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:GuSdnZ71cuTt0JLfRVn-jA@megapath.net:
In our last episode <j24u0156r7fd3ik2lra7o9gua5ddh8u4pt@4ax.com>, Yang,
AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** lumbered into the room
and mumbled:
The fact the JD Guckert aka Jeff Gannon owns gay porn sites such as
Hotmilitarystud.com, Militaryescorts.com and Militaryescortsm4m.com,
is of course just your average garden variety GOP hypocrisy.
Well, neocons are nihilists who do not believe "morality" is anything
but a way of keeping the peasants in line, the elite is exempt. In
their way of thinking, Gannon wasn't "immoral" nor even "hypocritical."
Just embarrassing because he was caught and by the *help no less. Those
grubby little peasants have too much time on their hands obviously. We
need to depress wages further and increase their work week another ten
hours or so.
You have a problem with gays or gay porno sites? What exactly is your
problem with this guy? That he asked a question at a news conference?
(I seriously cannot believe the man was *so stupid as to register all
his domains under any single name. I can't help but be darkly amused at
how our new, self-appointed "elite" is just not very *bright.)
You think gays or gay porn sites are embarrassing?
So how many do you own, Fred? Remember, you aren't under oath, so you are
free to lie and say you don't own any.
Somebody needs to tell Fred that he's on the wrong page. That was the
*last freeper tactic, not the *current. If he's going to chant along with
the brown shirts, he should keep up!
And, yeah, if I were pimping for the "moral values" crowd, I'd be rather
embarrassed to be caught trolling the web for sex with other men.
Hypocrisy is just darn embarrassing...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: GOP: Grand Old Propagannon |
13 Feb 2005 03:41:24 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:uomdnThazKiDWJLfRVn-1Q@megapath.net:
In our last episode <420fb7ce$0$44630$a1866201@visi.com>, Brian
Westley lumbered into the room and mumbled:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> writes:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:GuSdnZ71cuTt0JLfRVn-jA@megapath.net:
In our last episode <j24u0156r7fd3ik2lra7o9gua5ddh8u4pt@4ax.com>,
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** lumbered into
the room and mumbled:
The fact the JD Guckert aka Jeff Gannon owns gay porn sites such
as Hotmilitarystud.com, Militaryescorts.com and
Militaryescortsm4m.com, is of course just your average garden
variety GOP hypocrisy.
Well, neocons are nihilists who do not believe "morality" is
anything but a way of keeping the peasants in line, the elite is
exempt. In their way of thinking, Gannon wasn't "immoral" nor even
"hypocritical." Just embarrassing because he was caught and by the
*help no less. Those grubby little peasants have too much time on
their hands obviously. We need to depress wages further and
increase their work week another ten hours or so.
You have a problem with gays or gay porno sites? What exactly is your
problem with this guy? That he asked a question at a news conference?
(I seriously cannot believe the man was *so stupid as to register
all his domains under any single name. I can't help but be darkly
amused at how our new, self-appointed "elite" is just not very
*bright.)
You think gays or gay porn sites are embarrassing?
So how many do you own, Fred? Remember, you aren't under oath, so
you are free to lie and say you don't own any.
Somebody needs to tell Fred that he's on the wrong page. That was the
*last freeper tactic, not the *current. If he's going to chant along
with the brown shirts, he should keep up!
And, yeah, if I were pimping for the "moral values" crowd, I'd be
rather embarrassed to be caught trolling the web for sex with other
men. Hypocrisy is just darn embarrassing...
Lemme get this right, he's a hypocrite because *you* think he's shilling
for the "moral values" crowd?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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13 Feb 2005 09:34:42 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:41:24 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:uomdnThazKiDWJLfRVn-1Q@megapath.net:
In our last episode <420fb7ce$0$44630$a1866201@visi.com>, Brian
Westley lumbered into the room and mumbled:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> writes:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:GuSdnZ71cuTt0JLfRVn-jA@megapath.net:
In our last episode <j24u0156r7fd3ik2lra7o9gua5ddh8u4pt@4ax.com>,
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** lumbered into
the room and mumbled:
The fact the JD Guckert aka Jeff Gannon owns gay porn sites such
as Hotmilitarystud.com, Militaryescorts.com and
Militaryescortsm4m.com, is of course just your average garden
variety GOP hypocrisy.
Well, neocons are nihilists who do not believe "morality" is
anything but a way of keeping the peasants in line, the elite is
exempt. In their way of thinking, Gannon wasn't "immoral" nor even
"hypocritical." Just embarrassing because he was caught and by the
*help no less. Those grubby little peasants have too much time on
their hands obviously. We need to depress wages further and
increase their work week another ten hours or so.
You have a problem with gays or gay porno sites? What exactly is your
problem with this guy? That he asked a question at a news conference?
(I seriously cannot believe the man was *so stupid as to register
all his domains under any single name. I can't help but be darkly
amused at how our new, self-appointed "elite" is just not very
*bright.)
You think gays or gay porn sites are embarrassing?
So how many do you own, Fred? Remember, you aren't under oath, so
you are free to lie and say you don't own any.
Somebody needs to tell Fred that he's on the wrong page. That was the
*last freeper tactic, not the *current. If he's going to chant along
with the brown shirts, he should keep up!
And, yeah, if I were pimping for the "moral values" crowd, I'd be
rather embarrassed to be caught trolling the web for sex with other
men. Hypocrisy is just darn embarrassing...
Lemme get this right, he's a hypocrite because *you* think he's shilling
for the "moral values" crowd?
Let me get this straight, lobbing softball questions to Scott
McClellan on matters such as the Gay Marriage Amendment ban doesn't
count as shilling to the "moral values crowd".
Has anyone told you that you're a NeoCon tool, and not a particularly
good one?
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1460 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: GOP: Grand Old Propagannon |
13 Feb 2005 07:47:14 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:58:30 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:GuSdnZ71cuTt0JLfRVn-jA@megapath.net:
In our last episode <j24u0156r7fd3ik2lra7o9gua5ddh8u4pt@4ax.com>,
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** lumbered into
the room and mumbled:
The fact the JD Guckert aka Jeff Gannon owns gay porn sites such as
Hotmilitarystud.com, Militaryescorts.com and Militaryescortsm4m.com,
is of course just your average garden variety GOP hypocrisy.
Well, neocons are nihilists who do not believe "morality" is anything
but a way of keeping the peasants in line, the elite is exempt. In
their way of thinking, Gannon wasn't "immoral" nor even
"hypocritical." Just embarrassing because he was caught and by the
*help no less. Those grubby little peasants have too much time on
their hands obviously. We need to depress wages further and increase
their work week another ten hours or so.
You have a problem with gays or gay porno sites?
No I have a problem with hypocrits who say they are anti-homosexual
just to get support, hiring people to spread propaganda who profit
from illegal homosexual prostitution.
What exactly is your
problem with this guy? That he asked a question at a news conference?
Nope, that he was hired by a republican group to ask shill questions
so the president didn't have to answer questions from real reporters.
(I seriously cannot believe the man was *so stupid as to register all
his domains under any single name. I can't help but be darkly amused
at how our new, self-appointed "elite" is just not very *bright.)
You think gays or gay porn sites are embarrassing?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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14 Feb 2005 08:21:48 AM |
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(Kate ) wrote in
news:421b021f.155446000@news-west.newscene.com:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:58:30 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:GuSdnZ71cuTt0JLfRVn-jA@megapath.net:
In our last episode <j24u0156r7fd3ik2lra7o9gua5ddh8u4pt@4ax.com>,
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** lumbered into
the room and mumbled:
The fact the JD Guckert aka Jeff Gannon owns gay porn sites such as
Hotmilitarystud.com, Militaryescorts.com and
Militaryescortsm4m.com, is of course just your average garden
variety GOP hypocrisy.
Well, neocons are nihilists who do not believe "morality" is
anything but a way of keeping the peasants in line, the elite is
exempt. In their way of thinking, Gannon wasn't "immoral" nor even
"hypocritical." Just embarrassing because he was caught and by the
*help no less. Those grubby little peasants have too much time on
their hands obviously. We need to depress wages further and increase
their work week another ten hours or so.
You have a problem with gays or gay porno sites?
No I have a problem with hypocrits who say they are anti-homosexual
just to get support, hiring people to spread propaganda who profit
from illegal homosexual prostitution.
When did he do those things?
What exactly is your
problem with this guy? That he asked a question at a news conference?
Nope, that he was hired by a republican group to ask shill questions
so the president didn't have to answer questions from real reporters.
Where is the proof that he was hired to do that?
(I seriously cannot believe the man was *so stupid as to register
all his domains under any single name. I can't help but be darkly
amused at how our new, self-appointed "elite" is just not very
*bright.)
You think gays or gay porn sites are embarrassing?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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| User: "James Ascher" |
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| Title: Re: GOP: Grand Old Propagannon |
14 Feb 2005 02:24:08 PM |
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Kate wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:58:30 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:GuSdnZ71cuTt0JLfRVn-jA@megapath.net:
In our last episode <j24u0156r7fd3ik2lra7o9gua5ddh8u4pt@4ax.com>,
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** lumbered into
the room and mumbled:
The fact the JD Guckert aka Jeff Gannon owns gay porn sites such as
Hotmilitarystud.com, Militaryescorts.com and Militaryescortsm4m.com,
is of course just your average garden variety GOP hypocrisy.
Well, neocons are nihilists who do not believe "morality" is anything
but a way of keeping the peasants in line, the elite is exempt. In
their way of thinking, Gannon wasn't "immoral" nor even
"hypocritical." Just embarrassing because he was caught and by the
*help no less. Those grubby little peasants have too much time on
their hands obviously. We need to depress wages further and increase
their work week another ten hours or so.
You have a problem with gays or gay porno sites?
No I have a problem with hypocrits who say they are anti-homosexual
just to get support, hiring people to spread propaganda who profit
from illegal homosexual prostitution.
Note: all prostitution, of every type, is illegal in the US, except
maybe that one place in Nevada!
James
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: GOP: Grand Old Propagannon |
14 Feb 2005 06:50:07 PM |
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James Ascher <jwa1968@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:IN7Qd.308$IU.289@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:
Kate wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:58:30 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:GuSdnZ71cuTt0JLfRVn-jA@megapath.net:
In our last episode <j24u0156r7fd3ik2lra7o9gua5ddh8u4pt@4ax.com>,
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** lumbered into
the room and mumbled:
The fact the JD Guckert aka Jeff Gannon owns gay porn sites such as
Hotmilitarystud.com, Militaryescorts.com and Militaryescortsm4m.com,
is of course just your average garden variety GOP hypocrisy.
Well, neocons are nihilists who do not believe "morality" is anything
but a way of keeping the peasants in line, the elite is exempt. In
their way of thinking, Gannon wasn't "immoral" nor even
"hypocritical." Just embarrassing because he was caught and by the
*help no less. Those grubby little peasants have too much time on
their hands obviously. We need to depress wages further and increase
their work week another ten hours or so.
You have a problem with gays or gay porno sites?
No I have a problem with hypocrits who say they are anti-homosexual
just to get support, hiring people to spread propaganda who profit
from illegal homosexual prostitution.
Note: all prostitution, of every type, is illegal in the US, except
maybe that one place in Nevada!
Beg to differ; there's plenty of prostitution up in Washington D.C.! =)
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Hurl, hurl, door gong's oil hair!
Wart inhale dough way cur?
Wart inhale dough way cur?
Hurl, hurl, door gong's oil hair!
Wart inhale dough way cur, nor?
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| User: "stoney" |
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15 Feb 2005 03:44:10 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:50:07 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:
James Ascher <jwa1968@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:IN7Qd.308$IU.289@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:
Kate wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:58:30 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:GuSdnZ71cuTt0JLfRVn-jA@megapath.net:
In our last episode <j24u0156r7fd3ik2lra7o9gua5ddh8u4pt@4ax.com>,
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** lumbered into
the room and mumbled:
The fact the JD Guckert aka Jeff Gannon owns gay porn sites such as
Hotmilitarystud.com, Militaryescorts.com and Militaryescortsm4m.com,
is of course just your average garden variety GOP hypocrisy.
Well, neocons are nihilists who do not believe "morality" is anything
but a way of keeping the peasants in line, the elite is exempt. In
their way of thinking, Gannon wasn't "immoral" nor even
"hypocritical." Just embarrassing because he was caught and by the
*help no less. Those grubby little peasants have too much time on
their hands obviously. We need to depress wages further and increase
their work week another ten hours or so.
You have a problem with gays or gay porno sites?
No I have a problem with hypocrits who say they are anti-homosexual
just to get support, hiring people to spread propaganda who profit
from illegal homosexual prostitution.
Note: all prostitution, of every type, is illegal in the US, except
maybe that one place in Nevada!
Beg to differ; there's plenty of prostitution up in Washington D.C.! =)
Mano y Mano prostitution.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "DJ Nozem" |
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| Title: Re: GOP: Grand Old Propagannon |
13 Feb 2005 08:09:30 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:58:30 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:GuSdnZ71cuTt0JLfRVn-jA@megapath.net:
In our last episode <j24u0156r7fd3ik2lra7o9gua5ddh8u4pt@4ax.com>,
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** lumbered into
the room and mumbled:
The fact the JD Guckert aka Jeff Gannon owns gay porn sites such as
Hotmilitarystud.com, Militaryescorts.com and Militaryescortsm4m.com,
is of course just your average garden variety GOP hypocrisy.
Well, neocons are nihilists who do not believe "morality" is anything
but a way of keeping the peasants in line, the elite is exempt. In
their way of thinking, Gannon wasn't "immoral" nor even
"hypocritical." Just embarrassing because he was caught and by the
*help no less. Those grubby little peasants have too much time on
their hands obviously. We need to depress wages further and increase
their work week another ten hours or so.
You have a problem with gays or gay porno sites? What exactly is your
problem with this guy? That he asked a question at a news conference?
That he spouted obvious propaganda in his questions? That he received
classified documents to leak from the White House? That he used a
false name?
Anyway, you're not a dumb *****, you know this is politically damaging
to reps. Which is why the most should be made of it.
Now, I keep hearing talk that plenty of Washington's rep elite is
closeted. There's a project, right there.
--
We give meaning to each other
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| Title: Re: GOP: Grand Old Propagannon |
14 Feb 2005 08:26:14 AM |
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DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:k910119u0mvrnklmh4aui7p89ef9uqij6m@4ax.com:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:58:30 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:GuSdnZ71cuTt0JLfRVn-jA@megapath.net:
In our last episode <j24u0156r7fd3ik2lra7o9gua5ddh8u4pt@4ax.com>,
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** lumbered into
the room and mumbled:
The fact the JD Guckert aka Jeff Gannon owns gay porn sites such as
Hotmilitarystud.com, Militaryescorts.com and
Militaryescortsm4m.com, is of course just your average garden
variety GOP hypocrisy.
Well, neocons are nihilists who do not believe "morality" is
anything but a way of keeping the peasants in line, the elite is
exempt. In their way of thinking, Gannon wasn't "immoral" nor even
"hypocritical." Just embarrassing because he was caught and by the
*help no less. Those grubby little peasants have too much time on
their hands obviously. We need to depress wages further and increase
their work week another ten hours or so.
You have a problem with gays or gay porno sites? What exactly is your
problem with this guy? That he asked a question at a news conference?
That he spouted obvious propaganda in his questions?
Like the "highly respected" Helen Thomas *never* does that?
That he received
classified documents to leak from the White House?
Like this is something that no self-respecting democrat reporter would
*ever* do?
That he used a false name?
He supposedly registered for the event using his right name.
Anyway, you're not a dumb *****, you know this is politically damaging
to reps. Which is why the most should be made of it.
It just makes the dems look petty.
Now, I keep hearing talk that plenty of Washington's rep elite is
closeted. There's a project, right there.
So much for the right to privacy.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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| User: "DJ Nozem" |
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14 Feb 2005 11:30:09 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:26:14 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:k910119u0mvrnklmh4aui7p89ef9uqij6m@4ax.com:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:58:30 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:GuSdnZ71cuTt0JLfRVn-jA@megapath.net:
In our last episode <j24u0156r7fd3ik2lra7o9gua5ddh8u4pt@4ax.com>,
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** lumbered into
the room and mumbled:
The fact the JD Guckert aka Jeff Gannon owns gay porn sites such as
Hotmilitarystud.com, Militaryescorts.com and
Militaryescortsm4m.com, is of course just your average garden
variety GOP hypocrisy.
Well, neocons are nihilists who do not believe "morality" is
anything but a way of keeping the peasants in line, the elite is
exempt. In their way of thinking, Gannon wasn't "immoral" nor even
"hypocritical." Just embarrassing because he was caught and by the
*help no less. Those grubby little peasants have too much time on
their hands obviously. We need to depress wages further and increase
their work week another ten hours or so.
You have a problem with gays or gay porno sites? What exactly is your
problem with this guy? That he asked a question at a news conference?
That he spouted obvious propaganda in his questions?
Like the "highly respected" Helen Thomas *never* does that?
And of course you don't have a problem with her on that account?
But this is beside the point: all the things put together here hint
that the White House planted Gannon there. He's not working for an
important news organisation, he uses a fake name, he spews wingnut
propaganda in his questions...
Obviously they failed to do a thorough background check. Heh. Just
like with Kerik.
That he received
classified documents to leak from the White House?
Like this is something that no self-respecting democrat reporter would
*ever* do?
No self-respecting reporter would, no need to talk about democrat or
republican there. Gannon is no reporter, though. Just a willing pawn
in the White House's media strategy, like so many paid GOP shills out
there.
Either way, he's a minor guy working for a marginal wingnut webzine.
The fact that he received classified documents points to a, how shall
we call it, collaborative relationship between him and the White
House.
That he used a false name?
He supposedly registered for the event using his right name.
What are you talking about? The man's real name (Jim Guckert) wasn't
known until a week ago.
Anyway, you're not a dumb *****, you know this is politically damaging
to reps. Which is why the most should be made of it.
It just makes the dems look petty.
Yeah, just like all the crowing about that bugged office back in the
'70s, ey?
Now, I keep hearing talk that plenty of Washington's rep elite is
closeted. There's a project, right there.
So much for the right to privacy.
You have no right to keep your secrets secret. I'm not proposing
trespassing, planting bugs, or hiding in the bushes with a camera
(well, not around the person's property anyway), just outing
high-level officials and public figures. You know, pick up chatter,
interview people, that sort of thing. See what comes up. Sure it's
'not done', but it can be very effective.
--
We give meaning to each other
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| Title: Re: GOP: Grand Old Propagannon |
14 Feb 2005 11:51:06 AM |
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DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:fsj111ldhgq3dk5bnpuabmb0uj8dn27rv7@4ax.com:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:26:14 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:k910119u0mvrnklmh4aui7p89ef9uqij6m@4ax.com:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:58:30 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:GuSdnZ71cuTt0JLfRVn-jA@megapath.net:
In our last episode <j24u0156r7fd3ik2lra7o9gua5ddh8u4pt@4ax.com>,
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** lumbered
into the room and mumbled:
The fact the JD Guckert aka Jeff Gannon owns gay porn sites such
as Hotmilitarystud.com, Militaryescorts.com and
Militaryescortsm4m.com, is of course just your average garden
variety GOP hypocrisy.
Well, neocons are nihilists who do not believe "morality" is
anything but a way of keeping the peasants in line, the elite is
exempt. In their way of thinking, Gannon wasn't "immoral" nor even
"hypocritical." Just embarrassing because he was caught and by the
*help no less. Those grubby little peasants have too much time on
their hands obviously. We need to depress wages further and
increase their work week another ten hours or so.
You have a problem with gays or gay porno sites? What exactly is
your problem with this guy? That he asked a question at a news
conference?
That he spouted obvious propaganda in his questions?
Like the "highly respected" Helen Thomas *never* does that?
And of course you don't have a problem with her on that account?
But this is beside the point: all the things put together here hint
that the White House planted Gannon there. He's not working for an
important news organisation, he uses a fake name, he spews wingnut
propaganda in his questions...
Of course you have no direct evidence...
Obviously they failed to do a thorough background check. Heh. Just
like with Kerik.
That he received
classified documents to leak from the White House?
Like this is something that no self-respecting democrat reporter would
*ever* do?
No self-respecting reporter would, no need to talk about democrat or
republican there. Gannon is no reporter, though. Just a willing pawn
in the White House's media strategy, like so many paid GOP shills out
there.
Either way, he's a minor guy working for a marginal wingnut webzine.
So what's the big deal?
The fact that he received classified documents points to a, how shall
we call it, collaborative relationship between him and the White
House.
In fact he *didn't* receive classified documents. They were already
public before he ever mentioned them in his column. See the link
below...
That he used a false name?
He supposedly registered for the event using his right name.
What are you talking about? The man's real name (Jim Guckert) wasn't
known until a week ago.
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2005/02/know_why_did_th.html
Anyway, you're not a dumb *****, you know this is politically
damaging to reps. Which is why the most should be made of it.
It just makes the dems look petty.
Yeah, just like all the crowing about that bugged office back in the
'70s, ey?
At least *that* story turned out to have some facts behind it.
Now, I keep hearing talk that plenty of Washington's rep elite is
closeted. There's a project, right there.
So much for the right to privacy.
You have no right to keep your secrets secret.
That's what *Privacy* means. Duh.
I'm not proposing
trespassing, planting bugs, or hiding in the bushes with a camera
(well, not around the person's property anyway), just outing
high-level officials and public figures. You know, pick up chatter,
interview people, that sort of thing. See what comes up. Sure it's
'not done', but it can be very effective.
In other words, use innuendo and namecalling when the facts won't do.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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14 Feb 2005 01:02:57 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:51:06 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:fsj111ldhgq3dk5bnpuabmb0uj8dn27rv7@4ax.com:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:26:14 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:k910119u0mvrnklmh4aui7p89ef9uqij6m@4ax.com:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:58:30 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:GuSdnZ71cuTt0JLfRVn-jA@megapath.net:
In our last episode <j24u0156r7fd3ik2lra7o9gua5ddh8u4pt@4ax.com>,
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** lumbered
into the room and mumbled:
The fact the JD Guckert aka Jeff Gannon owns gay porn sites such
as Hotmilitarystud.com, Militaryescorts.com and
Militaryescortsm4m.com, is of course just your average garden
variety GOP hypocrisy.
Well, neocons are nihilists who do not believe "morality" is
anything but a way of keeping the peasants in line, the elite is
exempt. In their way of thinking, Gannon wasn't "immoral" nor even
"hypocritical." Just embarrassing because he was caught and by the
*help no less. Those grubby little peasants have too much time on
their hands obviously. We need to depress wages further and
increase their work week another ten hours or so.
You have a problem with gays or gay porno sites? What exactly is
your problem with this guy? That he asked a question at a news
conference?
That he spouted obvious propaganda in his questions?
Like the "highly respected" Helen Thomas *never* does that?
And of course you don't have a problem with her on that account?
But this is beside the point: all the things put together here hint
that the White House planted Gannon there. He's not working for an
important news organisation, he uses a fake name, he spews wingnut
propaganda in his questions...
Of course you have no direct evidence...
Nothing direct, but I don't stubbornly refuse to read the writing on
the wall...
Obviously they failed to do a thorough background check. Heh. Just
like with Kerik.
That he received
classified documents to leak from the White House?
Like this is something that no self-respecting democrat reporter would
*ever* do?
No self-respecting reporter would, no need to talk about democrat or
republican there. Gannon is no reporter, though. Just a willing pawn
in the White House's media strategy, like so many paid GOP shills out
there.
Either way, he's a minor guy working for a marginal wingnut webzine.
So what's the big deal?
That he gets a press pass three days after starting on his new job,
after two-odd days of media training? That he regularly attended press
conferences? Wouldn't strike you as funny, of course.
The fact that he received classified documents points to a, how shall
we call it, collaborative relationship between him and the White
House.
In fact he *didn't* receive classified documents. They were already
public before he ever mentioned them in his column. See the link
below...
The link below only argues that it is likely. Of course you get to
claim one counter-non-fact-fact for my admittedly not-certain-fact, so
that evens the score.
The fact is that it is not certain and that Gannon himself refuses to
deny that he had access to the documents, though he denies getting it
directly from the White House.
That he used a false name?
He supposedly registered for the event using his right name.
What are you talking about? The man's real name (Jim Guckert) wasn't
known until a week ago.
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2005/02/know_why_did_th.html
Umm.. I may be reading over it, but there is nothing here
substantiating your claim that he registered for whatever "event"
using his right name. Nothing that even addresses the issue.
Anyway, you're not a dumb *****, you know this is politically
damaging to reps. Which is why the most should be made of it.
It just makes the dems look petty.
Yeah, just like all the crowing about that bugged office back in the
'70s, ey?
At least *that* story turned out to have some facts behind it.
Those facts had to be dug up from a secretive White House. Without
pushing the story, it's not certain where it would have gone. So keep
pushing this, I'd say.
Now, I keep hearing talk that plenty of Washington's rep elite is
closeted. There's a project, right there.
So much for the right to privacy.
You have no right to keep your secrets secret.
That's what *Privacy* means. Duh.
Legally, I mean. As far as the non-legal colloquial right to privacy
goes, sure, we can make some exceptions. It's not as if Republicans
have ever had scruples about anything.
I'm not proposing
trespassing, planting bugs, or hiding in the bushes with a camera
(well, not around the person's property anyway), just outing
high-level officials and public figures. You know, pick up chatter,
interview people, that sort of thing. See what comes up. Sure it's
'not done', but it can be very effective.
In other words, use innuendo and namecalling when the facts won't do.
Use the truth, is all.
--
We give meaning to each other
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| Title: Re: GOP: Grand Old Propagannon |
14 Feb 2005 02:17:10 PM |
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DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:7lp111pj8ct7s934c04s6vom50a50u64uk@4ax.com:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:51:06 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:fsj111ldhgq3dk5bnpuabmb0uj8dn27rv7@4ax.com:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:26:14 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:k910119u0mvrnklmh4aui7p89ef9uqij6m@4ax.com:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:58:30 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:GuSdnZ71cuTt0JLfRVn-jA@megapath.net:
In our last episode
<j24u0156r7fd3ik2lra7o9gua5ddh8u4pt@4ax.com>, Yang, AthD (h.c),
Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** lumbered into the room and
mumbled:
The fact the JD Guckert aka Jeff Gannon owns gay porn sites
such as Hotmilitarystud.com, Militaryescorts.com and
Militaryescortsm4m.com, is of course just your average garden
variety GOP hypocrisy.
Well, neocons are nihilists who do not believe "morality" is
anything but a way of keeping the peasants in line, the elite is
exempt. In their way of thinking, Gannon wasn't "immoral" nor
even "hypocritical." Just embarrassing because he was caught and
by the *help no less. Those grubby little peasants have too much
time on their hands obviously. We need to depress wages further
and increase their work week another ten hours or so.
You have a problem with gays or gay porno sites? What exactly is
your problem with this guy? That he asked a question at a news
conference?
That he spouted obvious propaganda in his questions?
Like the "highly respected" Helen Thomas *never* does that?
And of course you don't have a problem with her on that account?
But this is beside the point: all the things put together here hint
that the White House planted Gannon there. He's not working for an
important news organisation, he uses a fake name, he spews wingnut
propaganda in his questions...
Of course you have no direct evidence...
Nothing direct, but I don't stubbornly refuse to read the writing on
the wall...
Obviously they failed to do a thorough background check. Heh. Just
like with Kerik.
That he received
classified documents to leak from the White House?
Like this is something that no self-respecting democrat reporter
would *ever* do?
No self-respecting reporter would, no need to talk about democrat or
republican there. Gannon is no reporter, though. Just a willing pawn
in the White House's media strategy, like so many paid GOP shills
out there.
Either way, he's a minor guy working for a marginal wingnut webzine.
So what's the big deal?
That he gets a press pass three days after starting on his new job,
after two-odd days of media training? That he regularly attended press
conferences? Wouldn't strike you as funny, of course.
I don't see that it's a big deal. Apparantly the whole upset is over the
fact that he accurately quoted some Democrats, which I realize is a high
crime of the first order.
The fact that he received classified documents points to a, how
shall we call it, collaborative relationship between him and the
White House.
In fact he *didn't* receive classified documents. They were already
public before he ever mentioned them in his column. See the link
below...
The link below only argues that it is likely. Of course you get to
claim one counter-non-fact-fact for my admittedly not-certain-fact, so
that evens the score.
The fact is that it is not certain and that Gannon himself refuses to
deny that he had access to the documents, though he denies getting it
directly from the White House.
That he used a false name?
He supposedly registered for the event using his right name.
What are you talking about? The man's real name (Jim Guckert) wasn't
known until a week ago.
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2005/02/know_why_did_th.html
Umm.. I may be reading over it, but there is nothing here
substantiating your claim that he registered for whatever "event"
using his right name. Nothing that even addresses the issue.
Oh, well, I can't seem to find the cite now. I'll retract that until I
come across it again.
Anyway, you're not a dumb *****, you know this is politically
damaging to reps. Which is why the most should be made of it.
It just makes the dems look petty.
Yeah, just like all the crowing about that bugged office back in the
'70s, ey?
At least *that* story turned out to have some facts behind it.
Those facts had to be dug up from a secretive White House. Without
pushing the story, it's not certain where it would have gone. So keep
pushing this, I'd say.
The story had already been published when Gannon/Guckert wrote about it.
Now, I keep hearing talk that plenty of Washington's rep elite is
closeted. There's a project, right there.
So much for the right to privacy.
You have no right to keep your secrets secret.
That's what *Privacy* means. Duh.
Legally, I mean. As far as the non-legal colloquial right to privacy
goes, sure, we can make some exceptions. It's not as if Republicans
have ever had scruples about anything.
Oh, well, that justifies your own lack of scruples, doesn't it?
I'm not proposing
trespassing, planting bugs, or hiding in the bushes with a camera
(well, not around the person's property anyway), just outing
high-level officials and public figures. You know, pick up chatter,
interview people, that sort of thing. See what comes up. Sure it's
'not done', but it can be very effective.
In other words, use innuendo and namecalling when the facts won't do.
Use the truth, is all.
Assuming that you know the truth. All you know right now is that there
is a lot of innuendo and namecalling going on.
Gannon/Guckert is nowhere near as serious as the Eason Jordan / CNN
flapdoodle, but nobody here seems to want to comment on *THAT* one.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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14 Feb 2005 06:49:40 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:17:10 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:7lp111pj8ct7s934c04s6vom50a50u64uk@4ax.com:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:51:06 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:fsj111ldhgq3dk5bnpuabmb0uj8dn27rv7@4ax.com:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:26:14 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:k910119u0mvrnklmh4aui7p89ef9uqij6m@4ax.com:
(dead wood away)
That he received
classified documents to leak from the White House?
Like this is something that no self-respecting democrat reporter
would *ever* do?
No self-respecting reporter would, no need to talk about democrat or
republican there. Gannon is no reporter, though. Just a willing pawn
in the White House's media strategy, like so many paid GOP shills
out there.
Either way, he's a minor guy working for a marginal wingnut webzine.
So what's the big deal?
That he gets a press pass three days after starting on his new job,
after two-odd days of media training? That he regularly attended press
conferences? Wouldn't strike you as funny, of course.
I don't see that it's a big deal.
You don't see the big deal about an male escort with two days of media
training by a Republican institution, working on his third day for a
marginal wingnut website established by an old-time Texas Republican
getting a press card to the White House on a fake name, and then
keeping on getting them?
Tell you what: there are now only two ways this thing can take. Either
the White House is knowingly involved, or they blindly accepted what
Eberle (the rep. operative behind Talon) sent them, 'cause he's one of
the good old boys or something. The second thing would be a show of
incompetence almost on par with the Kerik nomination, the first thing
far more damaging still.
Apparantly the whole upset is over the
fact that he accurately quoted some Democrats, which I realize is a high
crime of the first order.
He did not accurately quote Reid. Reid never said nuthin' about people
waiting in soup lines. Gannon got that line directly from a Limbaugh
rant, where it was a characterisation, and then represented it as a
direct quote. Limbaugh himself stated as much. Then Gannon followed up
by asking the prez. how he was to reach out to people so disconnected
from reality as the dems. You think this conforms to journalistic
standards?
What triggered interest, perhaps, is that this coincided with a major
personal attack on Reid in the right-wing echo chamber. And with the
rhetoric on social security. But it's no longer about that. It's about
what appears to be a White House plant sitting among the press. Fits
into a pattern, with the recent exposure of Williams an all.
(snip)
Anyway, you're not a dumb *****, you know this is politically
damaging to reps. Which is why the most should be made of it.
It just makes the dems look petty.
Yeah, just like all the crowing about that bugged office back in the
'70s, ey?
At least *that* story turned out to have some facts behind it.
Those facts had to be dug up from a secretive White House. Without
pushing the story, it's not certain where it would have gone. So keep
pushing this, I'd say.
The story had already been published when Gannon/Guckert wrote about it.
The Plame thing, yeah. There is no direct evidence, but there is
reason to suspect. That's just one thread that needs to be followed.
And if the Gannon line ends up nowhere there, the case was there
before and will be there afterwards. But if a direct connection can be
found that would of course be a <g> slam-dunk.
Another is the question to what extent Gannon is a plant and how deep
the relationship is between the White House/GOP leadership and several
propaganda operations set up by Republican operatives.
Now, I keep hearing talk that plenty of Washington's rep elite is
closeted. There's a project, right there.
So much for the right to privacy.
You have no right to keep your secrets secret.
That's what *Privacy* means. Duh.
Legally, I mean. As far as the non-legal colloquial right to privacy
goes, sure, we can make some exceptions. It's not as if Republicans
have ever had scruples about anything.
Oh, well, that justifies your own lack of scruples, doesn't it?
Who needs justification? Dems should be sick and tired of thinking
'but would this be ethical' and just take the line that if it's legal
and damages the Republicans, do it. Become happy warriors.
I'm not proposing
trespassing, planting bugs, or hiding in the bushes with a camera
(well, not around the person's property anyway), just outing
high-level officials and public figures. You know, pick up chatter,
interview people, that sort of thing. See what comes up. Sure it's
'not done', but it can be very effective.
In other words, use innuendo and namecalling when the facts won't do.
Use the truth, is all.
Assuming that you know the truth. All you know right now is that there
is a lot of innuendo and namecalling going on.
There is a potential for backfire if you spread rumours without
evidence. Though Rove doesn't appear to have suffered from that sort
of thing. Still, I advocate a higher standard. Acquiring certainty is
small trouble before you start busting open closets.
Gannon/Guckert is nowhere near as serious as the Eason Jordan / CNN
flapdoodle, but nobody here seems to want to comment on *THAT* one.
Jordan's stupid quote seems to have been given in by a personal
commitment. Besides, he lost his job, which is a bit more serious a
consequence than the same thing happening to Guckert ('cause Guckert
was not in a position of power). At any rate, the Gannon thing will be
much bigger if a substantial relation to the White House can be
established.
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We give meaning to each other
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DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:414211l4alg1e9f3ogntgb1953hkfjdnok@4ax.com:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:17:10 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:7lp111pj8ct7s934c04s6vom50a50u64uk@4ax.com:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:51:06 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:fsj111ldhgq3dk5bnpuabmb0uj8dn27rv7@4ax.com:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:26:14 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:k910119u0mvrnklmh4aui7p89ef9uqij6m@4ax.com:
(dead wood away)
That he received
classified documents to leak from the White House?
Like this is something that no self-respecting democrat reporter
would *ever* do?
No self-respecting reporter would, no need to talk about democrat
or republican there. Gannon is no reporter, though. Just a willing
pawn in the White House's media strategy, like so many paid GOP
shills out there.
Either way, he's a minor guy working for a marginal wingnut
webzine.
So what's the big deal?
That he gets a press pass three days after starting on his new job,
after two-odd days of media training? That he regularly attended
press conferences? Wouldn't strike you as funny, of course.
I don't see that it's a big deal.
You don't see the big deal about an male escort with two days of media
training by a Republican institution, working on his third day for a
marginal wingnut website established by an old-time Texas Republican
getting a press card to the White House on a fake name, and then
keeping on getting them?
No, I don't, and I don't really see why you do, except that you *wish*
you could make it into a scandal of some notable proportions. It's a
tempest in a teapot. Democrat bloggers making a *BIG* deal out of some
little "scandal".
Tell you what: there are now only two ways this thing can take. Either
the White House is knowingly involved, or they blindly accepted what
Eberle (the rep. operative behind Talon) sent them, 'cause he's one of
the good old boys or something. The second thing would be a show of
incompetence almost on par with the Kerik nomination, the first thing
far more damaging still.
Three: it all just disappears when the media realizes that there isn't
really any story there and they're too afraid to just make one up.
Apparantly the whole upset is over the
fact that he accurately quoted some Democrats, which I realize is a
high crime of the first order.
He did not accurately quote Reid. Reid never said nuthin' about people
waiting in soup lines. Gannon got that line directly from a Limbaugh
rant, where it was a characterisation, and then represented it as a
direct quote. Limbaugh himself stated as much. Then Gannon followed up
by asking the prez. how he was to reach out to people so disconnected
from reality as the dems. You think this conforms to journalistic
standards?
Yep, it's right up there with some of the "questions" that Democrat
partisan "reporters" have asked.
What triggered interest, perhaps, is that this coincided with a major
personal attack on Reid in the right-wing echo chamber. And with the
rhetoric on social security. But it's no longer about that. It's about
what appears to be a White House plant sitting among the press. Fits
into a pattern, with the recent exposure of Williams an all.
Once again, big deal.
(snip)
Anyway, you're not a dumb *****, you know this is politically
damaging to reps. Which is why the most should be made of it.
It just makes the dems look petty.
Yeah, just like all the crowing about that bugged office back in
the '70s, ey?
At least *that* story turned out to have some facts behind it.
Those facts had to be dug up from a secretive White House. Without
pushing the story, it's not certain where it would have gone. So
keep pushing this, I'd say.
The story had already been published when Gannon/Guckert wrote about
it.
The Plame thing, yeah. There is no direct evidence, but there is
reason to suspect. That's just one thread that needs to be followed.
And if the Gannon line ends up nowhere there, the case was there
before and will be there afterwards. But if a direct connection can be
found that would of course be a <g> slam-dunk.
Another is the question to what extent Gannon is a plant and how deep
the relationship is between the White House/GOP leadership and several
propaganda operations set up by Republican operatives.
Big Ho-Hum Yawn. It's a few lefty bloggers trying to "strike back" after
the right wingers took down some big players like Rather and Jordan. And
all they could come up with is a bit player like Gannon.
Now, I keep hearing talk that plenty of Washington's rep elite
is closeted. There's a project, right there.
So much for the right to privacy.
You have no right to keep your secrets secret.
That's what *Privacy* means. Duh.
Legally, I mean. As far as the non-legal colloquial right to privacy
goes, sure, we can make some exceptions. It's not as if Republicans
have ever had scruples about anything.
Oh, well, that justifies your own lack of scruples, doesn't it?
Who needs justification? Dems should be sick and tired of thinking
'but would this be ethical' and just take the line that if it's legal
and damages the Republicans, do it. Become happy warriors.
I'm not proposing
trespassing, planting bugs, or hiding in the bushes with a camera
(well, not around the person's property anyway), just outing
high-level officials and public figures. You know, pick up
chatter, interview people, that sort of thing. See what comes up.
Sure it's 'not done', but it can be very effective.
In other words, use innuendo and namecalling when the facts won't
do.
Use the truth, is all.
Assuming that you know the truth. All you know right now is that there
is a lot of innuendo and namecalling going on.
There is a potential for backfire if you spread rumours without
evidence.
No, really? Tell that to Yang or JTEM or Al Klein or Stoney or...
Though Rove doesn't appear to have suffered from that sort
of thing. Still, I advocate a higher standard. Acquiring certainty is
small trouble before you start busting open closets.
Gannon/Guckert is nowhere near as serious as the Eason Jordan / CNN
flapdoodle, but nobody here seems to want to comment on *THAT* one.
Jordan's stupid quote seems to have been given in by a personal
commitment. Besides, he lost his job, which is a bit more serious a
consequence than the same thing happening to Guckert ('cause Guckert
was not in a position of power). At any rate, the Gannon thing will be
much bigger if a substantial relation to the White House can be
established.
That's a mighty big *if*.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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15 Feb 2005 09:33:02 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:49:06 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:414211l4alg1e9f3ogntgb1953hkfjdnok@4ax.com:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:17:10 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:7lp111pj8ct7s934c04s6vom50a50u64uk@4ax.com:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:51:06 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:fsj111ldhgq3dk5bnpuabmb0uj8dn27rv7@4ax.com:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:26:14 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:k910119u0mvrnklmh4aui7p89ef9uqij6m@4ax.com:
(dead wood away)
That he received
classified documents to leak from the White House?
Like this is something that no self-respecting democrat reporter
would *ever* do?
No self-respecting reporter would, no need to talk about democrat
or republican there. Gannon is no reporter, though. Just a willing
pawn in the White House's media strategy, like so many paid GOP
shills out there.
Either way, he's a minor guy working for a marginal wingnut
webzine.
So what's the big deal?
That he gets a press pass three days after starting on his new job,
after two-odd days of media training? That he regularly attended
press conferences? Wouldn't strike you as funny, of course.
I don't see that it's a big deal.
You don't see the big deal about an male escort with two days of media
training by a Republican institution, working on his third day for a
marginal wingnut website established by an old-time Texas Republican
getting a press card to the White House on a fake name, and then
keeping on getting them?
No, I don't, and I don't really see why you do, except that you *wish*
you could make it into a scandal of some notable proportions. It's a
tempest in a teapot. Democrat bloggers making a *BIG* deal out of some
little "scandal".
Tell you what: there are now only two ways this thing can take. Either
the White House is knowingly involved, or they blindly accepted what
Eberle (the rep. operative behind Talon) sent them, 'cause he's one of
the good old boys or something. The second thing would be a show of
incompetence almost on par with the Kerik nomination, the first thing
far more damaging still.
Three: it all just disappears when the media realizes that there isn't
really any story there and they're too afraid to just make one up.
Apparantly the whole upset is over the
fact that he accurately quoted some Democrats, which I realize is a
high crime of the first order.
He did not accurately quote Reid. Reid never said nuthin' about people
waiting in soup lines. Gannon got that line directly from a Limbaugh
rant, where it was a characterisation, and then represented it as a
direct quote. Limbaugh himself stated as much. Then Gannon followed up
by asking the prez. how he was to reach out to people so disconnected
from reality as the dems. You think this conforms to journalistic
standards?
Yep, it's right up there with some of the "questions" that Democrat
partisan "reporters" have asked.
What triggered interest, perhaps, is that this coincided with a major
personal attack on Reid in the right-wing echo chamber. And with the
rhetoric on social security. But it's no longer about that. It's about
what appears to be a White House plant sitting among the press. Fits
into a pattern, with the recent exposure of Williams an all.
Once again, big deal.
(snip)
Anyway, you're not a dumb *****, you know this is politically
damaging to reps. Which is why the most should be made of it.
It just makes the dems look petty.
Yeah, just like all the crowing about that bugged office back in
the '70s, ey?
At least *that* story turned out to have some facts behind it.
Those facts had to be dug up from a secretive White House. Without
pushing the story, it's not certain where it would have gone. So
keep pushing this, I'd say.
The story had already been published when Gannon/Guckert wrote about
it.
The Plame thing, yeah. There is no direct evidence, but there is
reason to suspect. That's just one thread that needs to be followed.
And if the Gannon line ends up nowhere there, the case was there
before and will be there afterwards. But if a direct connection can be
found that would of course be a <g> slam-dunk.
Another is the question to what extent Gannon is a plant and how deep
the relationship is between the White House/GOP leadership and several
propaganda operations set up by Republican operatives.
Big Ho-Hum Yawn. It's a few lefty bloggers trying to "strike back" after
the right wingers took down some big players like Rather and Jordan. And
all they could come up with is a bit player like Gannon.
Oh fer cripes sake. Rather wasn't hired by a party to put out
propaganda - he was suckered by what was obviously a setup. Gannon the
prostitute was hired to put out propaganda for the party as pretend
reporting.
It isn't Gannon that was the find - it was who let him in and set him
up to stooge for Bush who obviously couldn't handle real questions
from reporters.
Not that you and the party of the neo-cons ever care how corrupt your
dear old play pals are found evidence to be or how lame your president
is that he can't handle his job. Since you are in power, you will
pretend this isn't important.
Good Job! lacky Fred - carry on, as we all know you will.
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15 Feb 2005 12:34:04 PM |
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(Kate ) wrote in
news:42271473.291210562@news-west.newscene.com:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:49:06 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:414211l4alg1e9f3ogntgb1953hkfjdnok@4ax.com:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:17:10 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:7lp111pj8ct7s934c04s6vom50a50u64uk@4ax.com:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:51:06 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:fsj111ldhgq3dk5bnpuabmb0uj8dn27rv7@4ax.com:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:26:14 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:k910119u0mvrnklmh4aui7p89ef9uqij6m@4ax.com:
(dead wood away)
That he received
classified documents to leak from the White House?
Like this is something that no self-respecting democrat reporter
would *ever* do?
No self-respecting reporter would, no need to talk about
democrat or republican there. Gannon is no reporter, though.
Just a willing pawn in the White House's media strategy, like so
many paid GOP shills out there.
Either way, he's a minor guy working for a marginal wingnut
webzine.
So what's the big deal?
That he gets a press pass three days after starting on his new
job, after two-odd days of media training? That he regularly
attended press conferences? Wouldn't strike you as funny, of
course.
I don't see that it's a big deal.
You don't see the big deal about an male escort with two days of
media training by a Republican institution, working on his third day
for a marginal wingnut website established by an old-time Texas
Republican getting a press card to the White House on a fake name,
and then keeping on getting them?
No, I don't, and I don't really see why you do, except that you *wish*
you could make it into a scandal of some notable proportions. It's a
tempest in a teapot. Democrat bloggers making a *BIG* deal out of some
little "scandal".
Tell you what: there are now only two ways this thing can take.
Either the White House is knowingly involved, or they blindly
accepted what Eberle (the rep. operative behind Talon) sent them,
'cause he's one of the good old boys or something. The second thing
would be a show of incompetence almost on par with the Kerik
nomination, the first thing far more damaging still.
Three: it all just disappears when the media realizes that there isn't
really any story there and they're too afraid to just make one up.
Apparantly the whole upset is over the
fact that he accurately quoted some Democrats, which I realize is a
high crime of the first order.
He did not accurately quote Reid. Reid never said nuthin' about
people waiting in soup lines. Gannon got that line directly from a
Limbaugh rant, where it was a characterisation, and then represented
it as a direct quote. Limbaugh himself stated as much. Then Gannon
followed up by asking the prez. how he was to reach out to people so
disconnected from reality as the dems. You think this conforms to
journalistic standards?
Yep, it's right up there with some of the "questions" that Democrat
partisan "reporters" have asked.
What triggered interest, perhaps, is that this coincided with a
major personal attack on Reid in the right-wing echo chamber. And
with the rhetoric on social security. But it's no longer about that.
It's about what appears to be a White House plant sitting among the
press. Fits into a pattern, with the recent exposure of Williams an
all.
Once again, big deal.
(snip)
Anyway, you're not a dumb *****, you know this is politically
damaging to reps. Which is why the most should be made of it.
It just makes the dems look petty.
Yeah, just like all the crowing about that bugged office back in
the '70s, ey?
At least *that* story turned out to have some facts behind it.
Those facts had to be dug up from a secretive White House. Without
pushing the story, it's not certain where it would have gone. So
keep pushing this, I'd say.
The story had already been published when Gannon/Guckert wrote about
it.
The Plame thing, yeah. There is no direct evidence, but there is
reason to suspect. That's just one thread that needs to be followed.
And if the Gannon line ends up nowhere there, the case was there
before and will be there afterwards. But if a direct connection can
be found that would of course be a <g> slam-dunk.
Another is the question to what extent Gannon is a plant and how
deep the relationship is between the White House/GOP leadership and
several propaganda operations set up by Republican operatives.
Big Ho-Hum Yawn. It's a few lefty bloggers trying to "strike back"
after the right wingers took down some big players like Rather and
Jordan. And all they could come up with is a bit player like Gannon.
Oh fer cripes sake. Rather wasn't hired by a party to put out
propaganda - he was suckered by what was obviously a setup.
If Rather was suckered, it was because he was too blinded by
partisanship to notice the obvious.
Gannon the
prostitute was hired to put out propaganda for the party as pretend
reporting.
It isn't Gannon that was the find - it was who let him in and set him
up to stooge for Bush who obviously couldn't handle real questions
from reporters.
It's not like the Democrats find their own stooges too, like the GI who
asked the "Humvee Armor" question so that his partisan media pal could
blow the answer out of context. Rummy even had to take Russert down a
peg or two on Meet the Press about that one.
Not that you and the party of the neo-cons ever care how corrupt your
dear old play pals are found evidence to be or how lame your president
is that he can't handle his job. Since you are in power, you will
pretend this isn't important.
I'd say that all your moonbat barking proves that he *is* handling the
job, quite well in fact. Well enough that you can't do much more than
weep and moan about minor ***** like Gannon while Bush gets his agenda
through in spite of your feeble opposition.
Good Job! lacky Fred - carry on, as we all know you will.
Sigh. Dear Kate, poster child for Liberal Stupidity Disease.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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15 Feb 2005 03:00:08 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 03:49:06 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:414211l4alg1e9f3ogntgb1953hkfjdnok@4ax.com:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:17:10 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:7lp111pj8ct7s934c04s6vom50a50u64uk@4ax.com:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:51:06 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:fsj111ldhgq3dk5bnpuabmb0uj8dn27rv7@4ax.com:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:26:14 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
DJ Nozem <djn@thisaddressdoesnotexist.com> wrote in
news:k910119u0mvrnklmh4aui7p89ef9uqij6m@4ax.com:
(snip)
Anyway, you're not a dumb *****, you know this is politically
damaging to reps. Which is why the most should be made of it.
It just makes the dems look petty.
Yeah, just like all the crowing about that bugged office back in
the '70s, ey?
At least *that* story turned out to have some facts behind it.
Those facts had to be dug up from a secretive White House. Without
pushing the story, it's not certain where it would have gone. So
keep pushing this, I'd say.
The story had already been published when Gannon/Guckert wrote about
it.
The Plame thing, yeah. There is no direct evidence, but there is
reason to suspect. That's just one thread that needs to be followed.
And if the Gannon line ends up nowhere there, the case was there
before and will be there afterwards. But if a direct connection can be
found that would of course be a <g> slam-dunk.
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