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User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass"
Date: 29 Sep 2005 01:05:08 AM
Object: GOP Lie of the Day: DeLay "Victim" of Partisan Witch Hunt
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/28/truth-ronnie-earle/
The Truth About Ronnie Earle
You’ll hear plenty from DeLay et al. about Ronnie Earle. Here are the
facts:
EARLE HAS PROSECUTED FOUR TIMES AS MANY DEMOCRATS AS REPUBLICANS:
“Over Earle’s 27-year tenure, his Public Integrity Unit has prosecuted
15 elected officials, including 12 Democrats.” [Los Angeles Times,
5/15/05]
EARLE PROSECUTED DEMOCRATS AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF STATE GOVERNMENT:
“Some of the Democrats prosecuted by Earle and his Public Integrity
Unit are former Texas House Speaker Gib Lewis, former Texas Attorney
General Jim Mattox, former State Treasurer Warren Harding and former
Texas Supreme Court Justice Don Yarbrough.” [AP, 12/12/04]
EARLE AIDES WENT ON TO RUN FOR OFFICE AS REPUBLICANS: “Some of his top
assistants have been with him for decades. A few have gone on to run
for elected office as Republicans.” [Los Angeles Times, 5/15/05]
FRIEND OF OFFICIAL TARGETED BY EARLE CALLED HIM A ‘BOY SCOUT’:
“Democrats, for their part, are still upset over the prosecution of
Attorney General Jim Mattox for bribery in 1985. … He was acquitted
and years later, Jim Marston, a civil lawyer in Austin and friend of
Mr. Mattox, asked Earle why he went ahead with the questionable case.
“I said, ‘Ronnie, how can it be an abuse of power to threaten a
lawyer? We threaten each other all the time.’ He told me that elected
officials are held to a higher standard. They are supposed to be
[above suspicion] like Caesar’s wife.’ It was then that Mr. Marston
realized how deep Earle’s principles run. ‘Ronnie Earle is a Boy Scout
who is offended by wrongdoings, chief among them, public officials’
abuse of power.’ [Christian Science Monitor, 12/03/04]
EARLE HAS REPUTATION AS PRINCIPLED, ‘OVERLY CAUTIOUS’: “Deliberate in
the capital cases he sends to juries, Earle is well known for
examining an issue from all angles before acting. ‘If I have any
complaint about Ronnie, it’s that he is overly cautious about who he
prosecutes,’ says Marston. ‘The fact that it has taken two years to
investigate Tom DeLay is a sign not of partisanship, but of being
completely careful.’” [Christian Science Monitor, 12/03/04]
EARLE HAS REPUTATION FOR ‘STRONG MORAL STREAK’: “[T]o those who know
him, Earle has always exhibited a strong moral streak - from his
formative years growing up in a small town outside Fort Worth, to his
time on the Austin night court, to his political service in the state
legislature. But they contend his morality is tempered by his
compassion. ‘Ronnie is very principled and will do the right thing
even if it isn’t the smartest political thing to do,’ says Ellen
Halbert, a victim’s rights advocate.” [Christian Science Monitor,
12/03/04]
EARLE HAS REPUTATION FOR RESPECTING THE RULES: “‘One of the things I
admired most about Ronnie was his indefatigable ability to go and meet
with groups all over town all the time–right-wing groups, left-wing
groups, the Rotary,’ says Bill Reid, an attorney who retired from
Earle’s office in 1997. ‘He’s not a bloodthirsty prosecutor who wanted
to get notches on his gun. There are some who have a reputation for
walking close to the line in terms of evidence and rights, but there
was never a push or inclination from him that we ought to bend the
rules. Working for him, I was doing what I wanted to do, and I could
go home and sleep at night.’” [Los Angeles Times, 5/15/05]
HOUSTON CHRONICLE: ALLEGATIONS OF PARTISANSHIP NOT SUPPORTED BY FACTS:
Chronicle editorial: “The record does not support allegations that
Earle is prone to partisan witch hunts.” [3/17/03]
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka
aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1926 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
.

User: "rugged indivduals"

Title: Re: GOP Lie of the Day: DeLay "Victim" of Partisan Witch Hunt 30 Sep 2005 01:46:11 PM
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
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http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/28/truth-ronnie-earle/

The Truth About Ronnie Earle
You'll hear plenty from DeLay et al. about Ronnie Earle. Here are the
facts:

EARLE HAS PROSECUTED FOUR TIMES AS MANY DEMOCRATS AS REPUBLICANS:
"Over Earle's 27-year tenure, his Public Integrity Unit has prosecuted
15 elected officials, including 12 Democrats." [Los Angeles Times,
5/15/05]

EARLE PROSECUTED DEMOCRATS AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF STATE GOVERNMENT:
"Some of the Democrats prosecuted by Earle and his Public Integrity
Unit are former Texas House Speaker Gib Lewis, former Texas Attorney
General Jim Mattox, former State Treasurer Warren Harding and former
Texas Supreme Court Justice Don Yarbrough." [AP, 12/12/04]

EARLE AIDES WENT ON TO RUN FOR OFFICE AS REPUBLICANS: "Some of his top
assistants have been with him for decades. A few have gone on to run
for elected office as Republicans." [Los Angeles Times, 5/15/05]

FRIEND OF OFFICIAL TARGETED BY EARLE CALLED HIM A 'BOY SCOUT':
"Democrats, for their part, are still upset over the prosecution of
Attorney General Jim Mattox for bribery in 1985. . He was acquitted
and years later, Jim Marston, a civil lawyer in Austin and friend of
Mr. Mattox, asked Earle why he went ahead with the questionable case.
"I said, 'Ronnie, how can it be an abuse of power to threaten a
lawyer? We threaten each other all the time.' He told me that elected
officials are held to a higher standard. They are supposed to be
[above suspicion] like Caesar's wife.' It was then that Mr. Marston
realized how deep Earle's principles run. 'Ronnie Earle is a Boy Scout
who is offended by wrongdoings, chief among them, public officials'
abuse of power.' [Christian Science Monitor, 12/03/04]

EARLE HAS REPUTATION AS PRINCIPLED, 'OVERLY CAUTIOUS': "Deliberate in
the capital cases he sends to juries, Earle is well known for
examining an issue from all angles before acting. 'If I have any
complaint about Ronnie, it's that he is overly cautious about who he
prosecutes,' says Marston. 'The fact that it has taken two years to
investigate Tom DeLay is a sign not of partisanship, but of being
completely careful.'" [Christian Science Monitor, 12/03/04]

EARLE HAS REPUTATION FOR 'STRONG MORAL STREAK': "[T]o those who know
him, Earle has always exhibited a strong moral streak - from his
formative years growing up in a small town outside Fort Worth, to his
time on the Austin night court, to his political service in the state
legislature. But they contend his morality is tempered by his
compassion. 'Ronnie is very principled and will do the right thing
even if it isn't the smartest political thing to do,' says Ellen
Halbert, a victim's rights advocate." [Christian Science Monitor,
12/03/04]

EARLE HAS REPUTATION FOR RESPECTING THE RULES: "'One of the things I
admired most about Ronnie was his indefatigable ability to go and meet
with groups all over town all the time-right-wing groups, left-wing
groups, the Rotary,' says Bill Reid, an attorney who retired from
Earle's office in 1997. 'He's not a bloodthirsty prosecutor who wanted
to get notches on his gun. There are some who have a reputation for
walking close to the line in terms of evidence and rights, but there
was never a push or inclination from him that we ought to bend the
rules. Working for him, I was doing what I wanted to do, and I could
go home and sleep at night.'" [Los Angeles Times, 5/15/05]

HOUSTON CHRONICLE: ALLEGATIONS OF PARTISANSHIP NOT SUPPORTED BY FACTS:
Chronicle editorial: "The record does not support allegations that
Earle is prone to partisan witch hunts." [3/17/03]


For all his commendable integrity we commend him. Now if he'd just release
records of his phone conversations in the last few weeks to see how many
times he's spoken with Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean and others at the Dem.
Party (just to demonstrate who is or isn't pulling the strings and pushing
the buttons.)
.
User: "Happy One"

Title: Re: GOP Lie of the Day: DeLay "Victim" of Partisan Witch Hunt 30 Sep 2005 02:03:59 PM

brandon@comcat.com says...

"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:ht0nj111teq5pcrhgdsq6plvdmajc429ia@4ax.com...

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/28/truth-ronnie-earle/

The Truth About Ronnie Earle

For all his commendable integrity we commend him. Now if he'd just release
records of his phone conversations in the last few weeks to see how many
times he's spoken with Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean and others at the Dem.
Party (just to demonstrate who is or isn't pulling the strings and pushing
the buttons.)

Let's not wander from the issue. You are apparently
saying that it is wrong to prosecute someone like
DeLay for crimes if someone pushed you into that
prosecution. Who pushed the prosecution is irrelevant
- DeLay's alleged crimes are the issue.
.
User: "rugged indivduals"

Title: Re: GOP Lie of the Day: DeLay "Victim" of Partisan Witch Hunt 01 Oct 2005 12:36:02 AM
"Happy One" <happy207@aol.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1da7562af106616398a12c@newsgroups.comcast.net...

brandon@comcat.com says...

"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:ht0nj111teq5pcrhgdsq6plvdmajc429ia@4ax.com...

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/28/truth-ronnie-earle/

The Truth About Ronnie Earle


For all his commendable integrity we commend him. Now if he'd just
release
records of his phone conversations in the last few weeks to see how many
times he's spoken with Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean and others at the Dem.
Party (just to demonstrate who is or isn't pulling the strings and
pushing
the buttons.)


Let's not wander from the issue. You are apparently
saying that it is wrong to prosecute someone like
DeLay for crimes if someone pushed you into that
prosecution. Who pushed the prosecution is irrelevant
- DeLay's alleged crimes are the issue.

Here's a link to the text of the indictment.
http://news.findlaw.com/wp/docs/delay/delay92805ind.pdf
I'm not a lawyer, but I've read it, and I've listened to lawyers discuss it.
The concensus is that it's picayune stuff. The gist of it is that it's not
illegal for a corporation to contibute to a PAC, and it's not illegal for a
PAC to contribute to candidates within 60 days of the election. It is
illegal for corporations to contribute to candidates within 60 days of the
election.
While the spirit of the law may have been circumvented by the technicalities
of the contributions, nothing illegal actually took place.
Ergo: taxpayer money is being wasted on frivolous lawsuit. (Didn't we learn
to stop doing that stuff with the Clinton sex scandals?)
.
User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass"

Title: Re: GOP Lie of the Day: DeLay "Victim" of Partisan Witch Hunt 01 Oct 2005 10:22:42 AM
On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 01:36:02 -0400, "rugged indivduals"
<brandon@comcat.com> wrote:


"Happy One" <happy207@aol.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1da7562af106616398a12c@newsgroups.comcast.net...

brandon@comcat.com says...

"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:ht0nj111teq5pcrhgdsq6plvdmajc429ia@4ax.com...

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/28/truth-ronnie-earle/

The Truth About Ronnie Earle


For all his commendable integrity we commend him. Now if he'd just
release
records of his phone conversations in the last few weeks to see how many
times he's spoken with Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean and others at the Dem.
Party (just to demonstrate who is or isn't pulling the strings and
pushing
the buttons.)


Let's not wander from the issue. You are apparently
saying that it is wrong to prosecute someone like
DeLay for crimes if someone pushed you into that
prosecution. Who pushed the prosecution is irrelevant
- DeLay's alleged crimes are the issue.


Here's a link to the text of the indictment.
http://news.findlaw.com/wp/docs/delay/delay92805ind.pdf

I'm not a lawyer, but I've read it, and I've listened to lawyers discuss it.

You mean that self-proclaimed "superlawyer" Assrocket at Powerline?

The concensus is that it's picayune stuff.

The consensue is that you're full of *****. The charge is that DeLay
funneled money the way a drug dealer launders money to make his income
sources look legit.
It's against the law. period.

The gist of it is that it's not
illegal for a corporation to contibute to a PAC, and it's not illegal for a
PAC to contribute to candidates within 60 days of the election. It is
illegal for corporations to contribute to candidates within 60 days of the
election.
While the spirit of the law may have been circumvented by the technicalities
of the contributions, nothing illegal actually took place.
Ergo: taxpayer money is being wasted on frivolous lawsuit. (Didn't we learn
to stop doing that stuff with the Clinton sex scandals?)

-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka
aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1932 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
.




User: "Werner Hetzner"

Title: Re: GOP Lie of the Day: DeLay "Victim" of Partisan Witch Hunt 29 Sep 2005 08:53:42 AM
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/28/truth-ronnie-earle/

The Truth About Ronnie Earle
Youll hear plenty from DeLay et al. about Ronnie Earle. Here are the
facts:

EARLE HAS PROSECUTED FOUR TIMES AS MANY DEMOCRATS AS REPUBLICANS:
Over Earles 27-year tenure, his Public Integrity Unit has prosecuted
15 elected officials, including 12 Democrats. [Los Angeles Times,
5/15/05]


Corruption is endemic. Power corrupts ....
September 28, 2005
NEW YORK -- The longtime leader of the Brooklyn Democratic Party was
convicted
http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=403349&category=STATE&newsdate=9/28/2005
---
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/ExampleTOC.shtml
and more
Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea - anyone
who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work. ----
.
User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass"

Title: Re: GOP Lie of the Day: DeLay "Victim" of Partisan Witch Hunt 30 Sep 2005 01:05:23 AM
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:53:42 GMT, Werner Hetzner <whetzner@mac.com>
wrote:



Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/28/truth-ronnie-earle/

The Truth About Ronnie Earle
Youll hear plenty from DeLay et al. about Ronnie Earle. Here are the
facts:

EARLE HAS PROSECUTED FOUR TIMES AS MANY DEMOCRATS AS REPUBLICANS:
Over Earles 27-year tenure, his Public Integrity Unit has prosecuted
15 elected officials, including 12 Democrats. [Los Angeles Times,
5/15/05]




Corruption is endemic. Power corrupts ....

September 28, 2005

NEW YORK -- The longtime leader of the Brooklyn Democratic Party was
convicted

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=403349&category=STATE&newsdate=9/28/2005

Good. a crooked Democrat should be sent away just as a crooked GOP.
Unlike the Dittoheads, I don't have a double standard.

---

http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/ExampleTOC.shtml
and more

Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea - anyone
who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work. ----

Funny, the GOP kleptocracy didn't need any "socialism" to loot the
country clean.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka
aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1932 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
.
User: "Werner Hetzner"

Title: Re: GOP Lie of the Day: DeLay "Victim" of Partisan Witch Hunt 30 Sep 2005 08:40:29 AM
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:

On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:53:42 GMT, Werner Hetzner <whetzner@mac.com>
wrote:



...


---

http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/ExampleTOC.shtml
and more

Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea - anyone
who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work. ----




Funny, the GOP kleptocracy didn't need any "socialism" to loot the
country clean.


Money in the treasury is money that has been socialized. The GOP learned
how to win elections from Democrats. Both loot the treasury to buy
votes. We sell out votes for access to the treasury. Of course, they
don't call it looting. They say it's for the Common Good.
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Myth.shtml

.
User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass"

Title: Re: GOP Lie of the Day: DeLay "Victim" of Partisan Witch Hunt 30 Sep 2005 09:24:30 AM
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:40:29 GMT, Werner Hetzner <whetzner@mac.com>
wrote:



Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:

On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:53:42 GMT, Werner Hetzner <whetzner@mac.com>
wrote:



...


---

http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/ExampleTOC.shtml
and more

Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea - anyone
who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work. ----




Funny, the GOP kleptocracy didn't need any "socialism" to loot the
country clean.



Money in the treasury is money that has been socialized. The GOP learned
how to win elections from Democrats. Both loot the treasury to buy
votes. We sell out votes for access to the treasury. Of course, they
don't call it looting. They say it's for the Common Good.

The GOP loot from your children.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka
aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1932 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
.
User: "Werner Hetzner"

Title: Re: GOP Lie of the Day: DeLay "Victim" of Partisan Witch Hunt 30 Sep 2005 10:39:12 PM
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:

...




The GOP loot from your children.


I thought that is what I said. I also said the Democrats do the same.
---
"
In crafting the Bill of Rights, the framers were careful to acknowledge
implicitly and explicitly two key truths:
The first is that government does not grant rights it acknowledges them.
They exist independently of government. They're part of who and what we
are. And, as Jefferson noted in the Declaration of Independence, the
only legitimate function of government is to secure them.
The second is that government is a servant to whom we delegate powers,
not a master who dispenses privileges. The Constitution carefully
enumerates the powers we, the people, delegate to our government and it
specifically denies that government any powers not so delegated. Our
rights lie beyond the pale of that delegation. They are sacrosanct. Any
government which infringes upon them is engaged in an intolerable
usurpation.
"
www.badnarik.org
-----
A "right" as envisioned by the Founders meant that the government was
not permitted to interfere with your pursuit of them, i.e., your
pursuit of happiness was to be unhindered by government.
The "right" of free speech means that government cannot interfere
with your free speech. The "right" of gun ownership means that the
government cannot infringe your gun ownership. What does "right" to
health care mean? It means that the government cannot stand in the
way of your pursuit of health care, or impede your obtaining health
care. The "right" to an attorney means that the government cannot
prevent you obtaining an attorney to represent you.
Of course, "right" has incorrectly come to mean that someone must
supply you with something. If your "right" to housing means that some
slave must supply you with housing, and your "right" to health care
means that some slave must supply you with health care, and your
"right" to an attorney means that some slave must supply you with an
attorney, does your "right" to free speech mean that some slave must
supply you with a loudspeaker, or TV air time? Does your "right" to own
guns mean that some slave must supply you with guns?
Gary Popkin,
NYC
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Rights.shtml
.
User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: GOP Lie of the Day: DeLay "Victim" of Partisan Witch Hunt 01 Oct 2005 12:29:31 AM
Werner Hetzner <whetzner@mac.com> wrote:

Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:

The GOP loot from your children.


I thought that is what I said. I also said the Democrats do the same.

In the last 25 years Republicans have raided the US treasury to the
tune of $6 trillion, far, far exceeding anything any Democrat took.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
User: "Werner Hetzner"

Title: Re: GOP Lie of the Day: DeLay "Victim" of Partisan Witch Hunt 02 Oct 2005 12:51:09 PM
Ray Fischer wrote:

Werner Hetzner <whetzner@mac.com> wrote:


Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:





The GOP loot from your children.


I thought that is what I said. I also said the Democrats do the same.



In the last 25 years Republicans have raided the US treasury to the
tune of $6 trillion, far, far exceeding anything any Democrat took.

They learned it from Democrats. How do you think Republicans get
elected? If they reduced spending anywhere they would likely lose votes
to Decomrats who would promise not to cut.
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Environment.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Social%20Security.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Health%20Care.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Drugs.shtm
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Education.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Poverty.shtml
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/ExampleTOC.shtml
and more
Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea - anyone
who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work. ----
Wasn't America supposed to be about voluntary agreement instead of
forced obedience?
Isn't it high time to join The Resistance?
http://www.ny.lp.org/choice
----
"
In crafting the Bill of Rights, the framers were careful to acknowledge
implicitly and explicitly two key truths:
The first is that government does not grant rights it acknowledges them.
They exist independently of government. They're part of who and what we
are. And, as Jefferson noted in the Declaration of Independence, the
only legitimate function of government is to secure them.
The second is that government is a servant to whom we delegate powers,
not a master who dispenses privileges. The Constitution carefully
enumerates the powers we, the people, delegate to our government and it
specifically denies that government any powers not so delegated. Our
rights lie beyond the pale of that delegation. They are sacrosanct. Any
government which infringes upon them is engaged in an intolerable
usurpation.
"
www.badnarik.org
-----
A "right" as envisioned by the Founders meant that the government was
not permitted to interfere with your pursuit of them, i.e., your pursuit
of happiness was to be unhindered by government.
The "right" of free speech means that government cannot interfere with
your free speech. The "right" of gun ownership means that the government
cannot infringe your gun ownership. What does "right" to health care
mean? It means that the government cannot stand in the way of your
pursuit of health care, or impede your obtaining health care. The
"right" to an attorney means that the government cannot prevent you
obtaining an attorney to represent you.
Of course, "right" has incorrectly come to mean that someone must supply
you with something. If your "right" to housing means that some slave
must supply you with housing, and your "right" to health care means that
some slave must supply you with health care, and your "right" to an
attorney means that some slave must supply you with an attorney, does
your "right" to free speech mean that some slave must supply you with a
loudspeaker, or TV air time? Does your "right" to own guns mean that
some slave must supply you with guns?
Gary Popkin,
NYC
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/Rights.shtml
---
It was another close election. We find ourselves warring against each
other - - red states and blue; 'them against us'; Left vs. Right;
Republicans vs. Democrats. These forces are just about equal. Each seeks
to take, keep and expand the power to impose values on the other.
Campaign finance laws not withstanding, this election cost much more
than the last. Both sides spent as if in combat and more than many
countries spend on a real war. All else -- other ideas for example -- is
a distraction we can no longer afford in this new war between Americans.
Win at all cost! Tons of money, advertising campaigns, phone banks,
promises, defections, Get out the vote battalions, voter registration
shenanigans, vote fraud, hoards of pollsters, and armies of lawyers have
become our new reality. Except for that other war, the media covered
little else and ignored other candidates.
Why is an election so important? Is it because so much power has never
been so concentrated in so few? If power corrupts, what has happened to
our perspective? Cant there be more colors than just red or blue? We
keep getting evidence that politics as usual is dysfunctional. So why do
we allow ourselves to see no other choices? Is choice even possible
without diversity? What do you have when you have no choice? Cars arent
either red or blue so why must we all be limited by Republican or
Democrat rules?
Prohibitions, limitations and mandates now rule us all. Red voters hope
to impose their values on the blue and visa versa. The red forces will
limit, mandate or prohibit some things while blue cohorts would do the
same to others. No matter the outcome, one half of the electorate will
have gained more power to impose its values at the expense of the other
half. Isnt that expense becoming unbearable and unsustainable for all?
Should we be ruled by anyone? Should values be forced on us and choices
restricted by any party? Cant we try to liberate instead of regulate
each other? Wasnt America supposed to be about voluntary agreement
instead of forced obedience?
http://www.NY.LP.org/choice
http://1marketsquare.com/CapLP/index.html
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User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: GOP Lie of the Day: DeLay "Victim" of Partisan Witch Hunt 02 Oct 2005 01:22:58 PM
Werner Hetzner <whetzner@mac.com> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

Werner Hetzner <whetzner@mac.com> wrote:

Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:

The GOP loot from your children.

I thought that is what I said. I also said the Democrats do the same.


In the last 25 years Republicans have raided the US treasury to the
tune of $6 trillion, far, far exceeding anything any Democrat took.


They learned it from Democrats.

Since the Democrats never did anything of the sort, it's obvious that
you're just blaming democracts for everything.

How do you think Republicans get
elected?

By lying. Lying about war, lying about threats, lying about what
they planned to do, lying about tax cuts. Lying, lying, lying.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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