Religions > Atheism > GOP Mineowner: Forget the Dead Miners, We'll Keep Digging for Coal
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22 Aug 2007 08:54:48 AM |
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GOP Mineowner: Forget the Dead Miners, We'll Keep Digging for Coal |
Conservative Compassion at its finest
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/22/us/22mine.html
Bid to Reopen Mine Divides Grieving Utah Town
HUNTINGTON, Utah, Aug. 21 — As relatives on Tuesday laid to rest one
of three men killed here trying to rescue six trapped miners, this
grieving mining town was torn over the future of the mine and the
prospect of the lost miners’ being entombed permanently.
An official at the mine, the Crandall Canyon, said it could be back in
business under a new name, after blocking off the area that collapsed
on Aug. 6.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| Title: Re: Yangie-poos say: miners killed, RETREAT, DEFEAT, RUN AWAY! |
22 Aug 2007 10:58:58 PM |
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"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:25:46 -0400, in alt.atheism , "ike milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> in <13cpvi1e59gl60d@corp.supernews.com>
wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:pcbpc31g7laq95c5smmb11inuu0248fmad@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 21:07:00 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9994AE278E311freddybear@216.151.153.34> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:s07pc39ujda15kmghspj5s4jmnknm50efd@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 20:05:42 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9994A3FBCE3ECfreddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Auntie Lib <wallenbrock@msn.com> wrote in
news:1187812196.342852.20200@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone replied to Matt Silberstein thusly:
How about safe mines? How about not putting in a mine owner, an
owner of a distinctly unsafe mine, in as head of mine safety.
How
about not putting in the head of mine safety through a recess
appointment after he was rejected twice.
How about retreating from Washington, since it's dangerous too,
Matt?
You didn't actually address any of the points Matt made, Fred.
(Yeah. We noticed.) If the conditions Matt mentioned were NOT
true, would miners (in what we all recognize is a dangerous line
of
work) be safer?
No, of course not. Changing the head bureaucrat in Washington is so
far removed from actually doing anything about mine safety that he
might as well be on Mars.
That is the Bush administration argument: government is so useless
that it does not actually matter that we put incompetent in charge
of
things. If they had made that argument a bit more explicit we might
have had a different time in the last few years. Instead they went
and
put people with no, or even negative, experience is so many critical
positions from FEMA to MSHA to so many positions in Iraq.
We don't need you to admit that the current administration is
guilty
of yet more gross ***** ups (we're atheists, we don't believe in
the
impossible) but addressing the points Matt made might make for
interesting debate.
I wondered how long it would take for somebody to Blame Bush for the
mine cave-in.
Rather than refute the facts you complain about piling on. Amazing.
What facts? All you had were lame accusations.
Again, the guy Shrub put in charge of mine safety was an owner of a
mine that had higher than average problems. He was turned down twice
by the Senate and was made as a recess appointment. Sorry, but when
the President works that hard to put someone in place he deserves the
credit and the blame for the results. Your response was that the Feds
don't do anything so it does not matter that the guy in charge of
safety was a mine owner.
Again, the chief bureaucrat in Washingduhh is so far from being in
control of what happens in a mine in Utah that he might as well be on
Mars. Sorry, but when you Democrats work that hard to prevent the
President from appointing people to fill minor functionary positions in
the government, they deserve to have their heads examined.
And what prevented the shrub from appointing someone who could be
confirmed
by the Senate? Are you saying that mine owners with less than stellar
records of safety are the only people qualified? Are you saying that the
Senators elected by the people in the various states should have no say in
the matter?
He is saying, as he has in the past, that it does not matter who gets
the job since "obviously" government can't do anything of value
anyway. It is ok to put incompetent or people who oppose the work they
are in charge of, they can't affect anything. I can't figure out,
though, why Fred would care about anyone in government.
If that is what he is saying, I think that is wrong, because even if the
person in the head position did not have the power to micro-manage, (which
they do), the message sent by appointing such a person, good or bad, will
have some effect on the attitudes and aspirations of the underlings to do
their work either diligently or indulgently.
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23 Aug 2007 07:39:03 AM |
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"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
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"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:25:46 -0400, in alt.atheism , "ike milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> in <13cpvi1e59gl60d@corp.supernews.com>
wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9994C1D933F1Cfreddybear@216.151.153.45...
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:pcbpc31g7laq95c5smmb11inuu0248fmad@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 21:07:00 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9994AE278E311freddybear@216.151.153.34> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com>
wrote in news:s07pc39ujda15kmghspj5s4jmnknm50efd@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 20:05:42 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9994A3FBCE3ECfreddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Auntie Lib <wallenbrock@msn.com> wrote in
news:1187812196.342852.20200@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone replied to Matt Silberstein thusly:
How about safe mines? How about not putting in a mine
owner, an owner of a distinctly unsafe mine, in as head of
mine safety.
How
about not putting in the head of mine safety through a
recess appointment after he was rejected twice.
How about retreating from Washington, since it's dangerous
too, Matt?
You didn't actually address any of the points Matt made, Fred.
(Yeah. We noticed.) If the conditions Matt mentioned were
NOT true, would miners (in what we all recognize is a
dangerous line
of
work) be safer?
No, of course not. Changing the head bureaucrat in Washington is
so far removed from actually doing anything about mine safety
that he might as well be on Mars.
That is the Bush administration argument: government is so
useless that it does not actually matter that we put incompetent
in charge
of
things. If they had made that argument a bit more explicit we
might have had a different time in the last few years. Instead
they went
and
put people with no, or even negative, experience is so many
critical positions from FEMA to MSHA to so many positions in
Iraq.
We don't need you to admit that the current administration is
guilty
of yet more gross ***** ups (we're atheists, we don't believe
in
the
impossible) but addressing the points Matt made might make for
interesting debate.
I wondered how long it would take for somebody to Blame Bush for
the mine cave-in.
Rather than refute the facts you complain about piling on.
Amazing.
What facts? All you had were lame accusations.
Again, the guy Shrub put in charge of mine safety was an owner of
a mine that had higher than average problems. He was turned down
twice by the Senate and was made as a recess appointment. Sorry,
but when the President works that hard to put someone in place he
deserves the credit and the blame for the results. Your response
was that the Feds don't do anything so it does not matter that the
guy in charge of safety was a mine owner.
Again, the chief bureaucrat in Washingduhh is so far from being in
control of what happens in a mine in Utah that he might as well be
on Mars. Sorry, but when you Democrats work that hard to prevent
the President from appointing people to fill minor functionary
positions in the government, they deserve to have their heads
examined.
And what prevented the shrub from appointing someone who could be
confirmed
by the Senate? Are you saying that mine owners with less than stellar
records of safety are the only people qualified? Are you saying that
the Senators elected by the people in the various states should have
no say in the matter?
He is saying, as he has in the past, that it does not matter who gets
the job since "obviously" government can't do anything of value
anyway. It is ok to put incompetent or people who oppose the work
they are in charge of, they can't affect anything. I can't figure
out, though, why Fred would care about anyone in government.
If that is what he is saying,
It's not. Matt just loves to make broad general strawmen out of specific
statements of mine.
I think that is wrong, because even if
the person in the head position did not have the power to
micro-manage, (which they do), the message sent by appointing such a
person, good or bad, will have some effect on the attitudes and
aspirations of the underlings to do their work either diligently or
indulgently.
Since Matt was blaming the mine collapse on Bush's appointment, I was
simply pointing out that it's rather far-fetched to imagine that
political appointees in Washingduhh have that much control over events.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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23 Aug 2007 08:35:28 AM |
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On 23 Aug 2007 12:39:03 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9995580E1D588freddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
[snip]
Since Matt was blaming the mine collapse on Bush's appointment, I was
simply pointing out that it's rather far-fetched to imagine that
political appointees in Washingduhh have that much control over events.
No, Fred, I did no such thing. You offered the option of retreating
from mining. I offered having people in charge of mine safety who care
about mine safety rather than having people with a history of running
dangerous mines. That does not blame Bush for the collapse. The lack
of oversight is a factor, but please stop asserting I made a different
claim.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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23 Aug 2007 08:57:54 AM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:b53rc3dembdjcs0sh44ru168g4oosmje7k@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 12:39:03 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9995580E1D588freddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
[snip]
Since Matt was blaming the mine collapse on Bush's appointment, I was
simply pointing out that it's rather far-fetched to imagine that
political appointees in Washingduhh have that much control over
events.
No, Fred, I did no such thing. You offered the option of retreating
from mining.
I was mocking Yangie-poos.
I offered having people in charge of mine safety who care
about mine safety rather than having people with a history of running
dangerous mines. That does not blame Bush for the collapse.
Yes, Matt, it does.
The lack
of oversight is a factor, but please stop asserting I made a different
claim.
Please stop asserting that your claims don't have implications.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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23 Aug 2007 09:27:26 AM |
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On 23 Aug 2007 13:57:54 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999565A376772freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:b53rc3dembdjcs0sh44ru168g4oosmje7k@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 12:39:03 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9995580E1D588freddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
[snip]
Since Matt was blaming the mine collapse on Bush's appointment, I was
simply pointing out that it's rather far-fetched to imagine that
political appointees in Washingduhh have that much control over
events.
No, Fred, I did no such thing. You offered the option of retreating
from mining.
I was mocking Yangie-poos.
I am sorry I took your comments for something rational. I have made
that error in the past. If you two can't get yourselves a room
somewhere you are going to have to accept this.
I offered having people in charge of mine safety who care
about mine safety rather than having people with a history of running
dangerous mines. That does not blame Bush for the collapse.
Yes, Matt, it does.
No, it does not. It says that toleration of unsafe conditions is
likely a factor. But how about deal with the argument itself rather
than dismissing it because you don't like the consequences. If the
facts point to Bush, then they do. If they don't, then they don't.
The lack
of oversight is a factor, but please stop asserting I made a different
claim.
Please stop asserting that your claims don't have implications.
My "claim" is the facts. If you see implications in the facts I can't
stop that. The cognitive dissonance formed when your views conflict
with reality is your problem.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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23 Aug 2007 10:11:35 PM |
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"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
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On 23 Aug 2007 13:57:54 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999565A376772freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:b53rc3dembdjcs0sh44ru168g4oosmje7k@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 12:39:03 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9995580E1D588freddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
[snip]
Since Matt was blaming the mine collapse on Bush's appointment, I was
simply pointing out that it's rather far-fetched to imagine that
political appointees in Washingduhh have that much control over
events.
No, Fred, I did no such thing. You offered the option of retreating
from mining.
I was mocking Yangie-poos.
I am sorry I took your comments for something rational. I have made
that error in the past. If you two can't get yourselves a room
somewhere you are going to have to accept this.
I offered having people in charge of mine safety who care
about mine safety rather than having people with a history of running
dangerous mines. That does not blame Bush for the collapse.
Yes, Matt, it does.
No, it does not. It says that toleration of unsafe conditions is
likely a factor. But how about deal with the argument itself rather
than dismissing it because you don't like the consequences. If the
facts point to Bush, then they do. If they don't, then they don't.
The lack
of oversight is a factor, but please stop asserting I made a different
claim.
Please stop asserting that your claims don't have implications.
My "claim" is the facts. If you see implications in the facts I can't
stop that. The cognitive dissonance formed when your views conflict
with reality is your problem.
Actually his cognitive dissonance is his solution. Rational thought might
smoke a synapse.
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23 Aug 2007 07:36:19 AM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:ke0qc3pp8h9oghf1g1m8uqrhb4q2m3almn@4ax.com:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:25:46 -0400, in alt.atheism , "ike milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> in <13cpvi1e59gl60d@corp.supernews.com>
wrote:
<...>
And what prevented the shrub from appointing someone who could be
confirmed by the Senate? Are you saying that mine owners with less
than stellar records of safety are the only people qualified? Are you
saying that the Senators elected by the people in the various states
should have no say in the matter?
He is saying, as he has in the past, that it does not matter who gets
the job since "obviously" government can't do anything of value
anyway. It is ok to put incompetent or people who oppose the work they
are in charge of, they can't affect anything. I can't figure out,
though, why Fred would care about anyone in government.
No, Matt, I am saying that the chief bureaucrat in Washingduhh has very
little impact on immediate incidents in Utah. Why do you generalize
every statement I make from immediate to universal?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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23 Aug 2007 08:38:30 AM |
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On 23 Aug 2007 12:36:19 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999557986722Ffreddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:ke0qc3pp8h9oghf1g1m8uqrhb4q2m3almn@4ax.com:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:25:46 -0400, in alt.atheism , "ike milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> in <13cpvi1e59gl60d@corp.supernews.com>
wrote:
<...>
And what prevented the shrub from appointing someone who could be
confirmed by the Senate? Are you saying that mine owners with less
than stellar records of safety are the only people qualified? Are you
saying that the Senators elected by the people in the various states
should have no say in the matter?
He is saying, as he has in the past, that it does not matter who gets
the job since "obviously" government can't do anything of value
anyway. It is ok to put incompetent or people who oppose the work they
are in charge of, they can't affect anything. I can't figure out,
though, why Fred would care about anyone in government.
No, Matt, I am saying that the chief bureaucrat in Washingduhh has very
little impact on immediate incidents in Utah. Why do you generalize
every statement I make from immediate to universal?
ROTFLMAO. Fred, this started when I suggested that, instead of your
strawman retreat from mining, that we have people ensuring mine safety
who care about safer mines. It is you who then turned that to a claim
that he/Bush was solely responsible for the deaths. You tried to turn
my claim to a universal.
You responded that the Fed people are irrelevant. I then connected
that to your other claims that it does not matter that the Bush
appointees are incompetent and it does not matter that they put
incompetent subordinates in place. I generalized from a clear pattern
in your claims, a pattern that fits in with the administration you
admire so much.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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22 Aug 2007 03:52:37 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:37:23 -0400, in alt.atheism
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
<s07pc39ujda15kmghspj5s4jmnknm50efd@4ax.com>:
On 22 Aug 2007 20:05:42 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9994A3FBCE3ECfreddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Auntie Lib <wallenbrock@msn.com> wrote in
news:1187812196.342852.20200@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone replied to Matt Silberstein thusly:
How about safe mines? How about not putting in a mine owner, an
owner of a distinctly unsafe mine, in as head of mine safety. How
about not putting in the head of mine safety through a recess
appointment after he was rejected twice.
How about retreating from Washington, since it's dangerous too, Matt?
You didn't actually address any of the points Matt made, Fred.
(Yeah. We noticed.) If the conditions Matt mentioned were NOT true,
would miners (in what we all recognize is a dangerous line of work) be
safer?
No, of course not. Changing the head bureaucrat in Washington is so far
removed from actually doing anything about mine safety that he might as
well be on Mars.
That is the Bush administration argument: government is so useless
that it does not actually matter that we put incompetent in charge of
things. If they had made that argument a bit more explicit we might
have had a different time in the last few years. Instead they went and
put people with no, or even negative, experience is so many critical
positions from FEMA to MSHA to so many positions in Iraq.
We don't need you to admit that the current administration is guilty
of yet more gross ***** ups (we're atheists, we don't believe in the
impossible) but addressing the points Matt made might make for
interesting debate.
I wondered how long it would take for somebody to Blame Bush for the
mine cave-in.
Rather than refute the facts you complain about piling on. Amazing.
I won't be surprised, given the identified political donations of the
mine owner, if he really did get special treatment that allowed him to
break safety laws with impunity.
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22 Aug 2007 03:26:49 PM |
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On 22 Aug 2007 18:10:55 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999490509DE4Efreddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:qkqoc318f00j7t9k2uoftvdnp2pcl4rpg4@4ax.com:
So what do you want, Yangie-poo? Retreat in defeat from the coal
business because it's dangerous?
How about safe mines? How about not putting in a mine owner, an owner
of a distinctly unsafe mine, in as head of mine safety. How about not
putting in the head of mine safety through a recess appointment after
he was rejected twice.
How about retreating from Washington, since it's dangerous too, Matt?
Better yet, how about not putting criminals in charge of the police.
Since I never said or suggested retreating from mining your strawman
is just silly.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| Title: Re: GOP Mineowner: Forget the Dead Miners, We'll Keep Digging for Coal |
22 Aug 2007 08:12:45 PM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:ivfoc3ltu14bjhemoohj55osk6j6g82ear@4ax.com:
Conservative Compassion at its finest
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/22/us/22mine.html
Bid to Reopen Mine Divides Grieving Utah Town
HUNTINGTON, Utah, Aug. 21 — As relatives on Tuesday laid to rest one
of three men killed here trying to rescue six trapped miners, this
grieving mining town was torn over the future of the mine and the
prospect of the lost miners’ being entombed permanently.
An official at the mine, the Crandall Canyon, said it could be back in
business under a new name, after blocking off the area that collapsed
on Aug. 6.
Why should a second group of miners risk death digging up bodies so they
can be burried in a different hole. I've let my wife know that I *never*
want anyone to risk life or limb recovering my dead body.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof."
Christopher Hitchens
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22 Aug 2007 10:22:48 AM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
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: Conservative Compassion at its finest
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: Bid to Reopen Mine Divides Grieving Utah Town
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: HUNTINGTON, Utah, Aug. 21 - As relatives on Tuesday laid to rest one
: of three men killed here trying to rescue six trapped miners, this
: grieving mining town was torn over the future of the mine and the
: prospect of the lost miners' being entombed permanently.
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: An official at the mine, the Crandall Canyon, said it could be back
in
: business under a new name, after blocking off the area that
collapsed
: on Aug. 6.
Nothing ever changes....
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: GOP Mineowner: Forget the Dead Miners, We'll Keep Digging for Coal |
22 Aug 2007 10:35:04 AM |
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Ghod wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:ivfoc3ltu14bjhemoohj55osk6j6g82ear@4ax.com...
Conservative Compassion at its finest
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/22/us/22mine.html
Bid to Reopen Mine Divides Grieving Utah Town
HUNTINGTON, Utah, Aug. 21 - As relatives on Tuesday laid to rest one
of three men killed here trying to rescue six trapped miners, this
grieving mining town was torn over the future of the mine and the
prospect of the lost miners' being entombed permanently.
An official at the mine, the Crandall Canyon, said it could be back
in business under a new name, after blocking off the area that
collapsed on Aug. 6.
Nothing ever changes....
The name was changed to protect the guilty.
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| User: "Ghod" |
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| Title: Re: GOP Mineowner: Forget the Dead Miners, We'll Keep Digging for Coal |
22 Aug 2007 10:43:24 AM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:LsGdnQELXI8wylHbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@giganews.com...
: Ghod wrote:
: > "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
: > news:ivfoc3ltu14bjhemoohj55osk6j6g82ear@4ax.com...
: >> Conservative Compassion at its finest
: >>
: >> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/22/us/22mine.html
: >>
: >> Bid to Reopen Mine Divides Grieving Utah Town
: >>
: >> HUNTINGTON, Utah, Aug. 21 - As relatives on Tuesday laid to rest
one
: >> of three men killed here trying to rescue six trapped miners,
this
: >> grieving mining town was torn over the future of the mine and the
: >> prospect of the lost miners' being entombed permanently.
: >>
: >> An official at the mine, the Crandall Canyon, said it could be
back
: >> in business under a new name, after blocking off the area that
: >> collapsed on Aug. 6.
: >
: > Nothing ever changes....
:
: The name was changed to protect the guilty.
....and the needle was changed to protect the record.
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