Religions > Atheism > GOP Mineowner: Forget the Dead Miners, We'll Keep Digging for Coal
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22 Aug 2007 01:54:48 PM |
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GOP Mineowner: Forget the Dead Miners, We'll Keep Digging for Coal |
Conservative Compassion at its finest
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/22/us/22mine.html
Bid to Reopen Mine Divides Grieving Utah Town
HUNTINGTON, Utah, Aug. 21 — As relatives on Tuesday laid to rest one
of three men killed here trying to rescue six trapped miners, this
grieving mining town was torn over the future of the mine and the
prospect of the lost miners’ being entombed permanently.
An official at the mine, the Crandall Canyon, said it could be back in
business under a new name, after blocking off the area that collapsed
on Aug. 6.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Yangie-poos say: miners killed, RETREAT, DEFEAT, RUN AWAY! |
22 Aug 2007 04:28:54 PM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:ivfoc3ltu14bjhemoohj55osk6j6g82ear@4ax.com:
Conservative Compassion at its finest
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/22/us/22mine.html
Bid to Reopen Mine Divides Grieving Utah Town
HUNTINGTON, Utah, Aug. 21 — As relatives on Tuesday laid to rest one
of three men killed here trying to rescue six trapped miners, this
grieving mining town was torn over the future of the mine and the
prospect of the lost miners’ being entombed permanently.
An official at the mine, the Crandall Canyon, said it could be back in
business under a new name, after blocking off the area that collapsed
on Aug. 6.
So what do you want, Yangie-poo? Retreat in defeat from the coal
business because it's dangerous?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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| User: "Ghod" |
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| Title: Re: Yangie-poos say: miners killed, RETREAT, DEFEAT, RUN AWAY! |
22 Aug 2007 04:48:06 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99947F031820Ffreddybear@216.151.153.66...
: "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
: news:ivfoc3ltu14bjhemoohj55osk6j6g82ear@4ax.com:
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: > Conservative Compassion at its finest
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: > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/22/us/22mine.html
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: > Bid to Reopen Mine Divides Grieving Utah Town
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: > HUNTINGTON, Utah, Aug. 21 - As relatives on Tuesday laid to rest
one
: > of three men killed here trying to rescue six trapped miners, this
: > grieving mining town was torn over the future of the mine and the
: > prospect of the lost miners' being entombed permanently.
: >
: > An official at the mine, the Crandall Canyon, said it could be
back in
: > business under a new name, after blocking off the area that
collapsed
: > on Aug. 6.
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: So what do you want, Yangie-poo? Retreat in defeat from the coal
: business because it's dangerous?
Oh Freddieboy, you're ALL heart.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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23 Aug 2007 05:27:47 AM |
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On 22 Aug 2007 16:28:54 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:ivfoc3ltu14bjhemoohj55osk6j6g82ear@4ax.com:
Conservative Compassion at its finest
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/22/us/22mine.html
Bid to Reopen Mine Divides Grieving Utah Town
HUNTINGTON, Utah, Aug. 21 — As relatives on Tuesday laid to rest one
of three men killed here trying to rescue six trapped miners, this
grieving mining town was torn over the future of the mine and the
prospect of the lost miners’ being entombed permanently.
An official at the mine, the Crandall Canyon, said it could be back in
business under a new name, after blocking off the area that collapsed
on Aug. 6.
So what do you want, Yangie-poo? Retreat in defeat from the coal
business because it's dangerous?
Oh look, vintage Fred Stone strawman.
How about enforcing the mining safety laws that your GOP owner
flouted?
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Yangie-poos say: miners killed, RETREAT, DEFEAT, RUN AWAY! |
22 Aug 2007 04:56:55 PM |
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On 22 Aug 2007 16:28:54 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99947F031820Ffreddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:ivfoc3ltu14bjhemoohj55osk6j6g82ear@4ax.com:
Conservative Compassion at its finest
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/22/us/22mine.html
Bid to Reopen Mine Divides Grieving Utah Town
HUNTINGTON, Utah, Aug. 21 — As relatives on Tuesday laid to rest one
of three men killed here trying to rescue six trapped miners, this
grieving mining town was torn over the future of the mine and the
prospect of the lost miners’ being entombed permanently.
An official at the mine, the Crandall Canyon, said it could be back in
business under a new name, after blocking off the area that collapsed
on Aug. 6.
So what do you want, Yangie-poo? Retreat in defeat from the coal
business because it's dangerous?
How about safe mines? How about not putting in a mine owner, an owner
of a distinctly unsafe mine, in as head of mine safety. How about not
putting in the head of mine safety through a recess appointment after
he was rejected twice.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Yangie-poos say: miners killed, RETREAT, DEFEAT, RUN AWAY! |
22 Aug 2007 06:10:55 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:qkqoc318f00j7t9k2uoftvdnp2pcl4rpg4@4ax.com:
So what do you want, Yangie-poo? Retreat in defeat from the coal
business because it's dangerous?
How about safe mines? How about not putting in a mine owner, an owner
of a distinctly unsafe mine, in as head of mine safety. How about not
putting in the head of mine safety through a recess appointment after
he was rejected twice.
How about retreating from Washington, since it's dangerous too, Matt?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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| User: "Auntie Lib" |
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| Title: Re: Yangie-poos say: miners killed, RETREAT, DEFEAT, RUN AWAY! |
22 Aug 2007 07:49:56 PM |
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Fred Stone replied to Matt Silberstein thusly:
How about safe mines? How about not putting in a mine owner, an owner
of a distinctly unsafe mine, in as head of mine safety. How about not
putting in the head of mine safety through a recess appointment after
he was rejected twice.
How about retreating from Washington, since it's dangerous too, Matt?
You didn't actually address any of the points Matt made, Fred.
(Yeah. We noticed.) If the conditions Matt mentioned were NOT true,
would miners (in what we all recognize is a dangerous line of work) be
safer?
We don't need you to admit that the current administration is guilty
of yet more gross ***** ups (we're atheists, we don't believe in the
impossible) but addressing the points Matt made might make for
interesting debate.
elizabeth
aa#2098
EAC Director of Useless Endeavors
Vice-Chairman Of The Committee On Wasted Time
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
"I was born with a skeptical mind. Now I ask you, is that fair?
If God gives me a skeptical nature and you an accepting one, then
you're going to be a believer and I'm not. If belief is a ticket to
eternal happiness, I'm definitely handicapped. God gives me a mind
capable of asking questions and what? I'm damned if I use it?"
F. Paul Wilson "The Haunted Air"
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Yangie-poos say: miners killed, RETREAT, DEFEAT, RUN AWAY! |
22 Aug 2007 08:05:42 PM |
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Auntie Lib <wallenbrock@msn.com> wrote in
news:1187812196.342852.20200@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone replied to Matt Silberstein thusly:
How about safe mines? How about not putting in a mine owner, an
owner of a distinctly unsafe mine, in as head of mine safety. How
about not putting in the head of mine safety through a recess
appointment after he was rejected twice.
How about retreating from Washington, since it's dangerous too, Matt?
You didn't actually address any of the points Matt made, Fred.
(Yeah. We noticed.) If the conditions Matt mentioned were NOT true,
would miners (in what we all recognize is a dangerous line of work) be
safer?
No, of course not. Changing the head bureaucrat in Washington is so far
removed from actually doing anything about mine safety that he might as
well be on Mars.
We don't need you to admit that the current administration is guilty
of yet more gross ***** ups (we're atheists, we don't believe in the
impossible) but addressing the points Matt made might make for
interesting debate.
I wondered how long it would take for somebody to Blame Bush for the
mine cave-in.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Yangie-poos say: miners killed, RETREAT, DEFEAT, RUN AWAY! |
22 Aug 2007 08:37:23 PM |
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On 22 Aug 2007 20:05:42 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9994A3FBCE3ECfreddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Auntie Lib <wallenbrock@msn.com> wrote in
news:1187812196.342852.20200@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone replied to Matt Silberstein thusly:
How about safe mines? How about not putting in a mine owner, an
owner of a distinctly unsafe mine, in as head of mine safety. How
about not putting in the head of mine safety through a recess
appointment after he was rejected twice.
How about retreating from Washington, since it's dangerous too, Matt?
You didn't actually address any of the points Matt made, Fred.
(Yeah. We noticed.) If the conditions Matt mentioned were NOT true,
would miners (in what we all recognize is a dangerous line of work) be
safer?
No, of course not. Changing the head bureaucrat in Washington is so far
removed from actually doing anything about mine safety that he might as
well be on Mars.
That is the Bush administration argument: government is so useless
that it does not actually matter that we put incompetent in charge of
things. If they had made that argument a bit more explicit we might
have had a different time in the last few years. Instead they went and
put people with no, or even negative, experience is so many critical
positions from FEMA to MSHA to so many positions in Iraq.
We don't need you to admit that the current administration is guilty
of yet more gross ***** ups (we're atheists, we don't believe in the
impossible) but addressing the points Matt made might make for
interesting debate.
I wondered how long it would take for somebody to Blame Bush for the
mine cave-in.
Rather than refute the facts you complain about piling on. Amazing.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Yangie-poos say: miners killed, RETREAT, DEFEAT, RUN AWAY! |
22 Aug 2007 09:07:00 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:s07pc39ujda15kmghspj5s4jmnknm50efd@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 20:05:42 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9994A3FBCE3ECfreddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Auntie Lib <wallenbrock@msn.com> wrote in
news:1187812196.342852.20200@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone replied to Matt Silberstein thusly:
How about safe mines? How about not putting in a mine owner, an
owner of a distinctly unsafe mine, in as head of mine safety. How
about not putting in the head of mine safety through a recess
appointment after he was rejected twice.
How about retreating from Washington, since it's dangerous too,
Matt?
You didn't actually address any of the points Matt made, Fred.
(Yeah. We noticed.) If the conditions Matt mentioned were NOT
true, would miners (in what we all recognize is a dangerous line of
work) be safer?
No, of course not. Changing the head bureaucrat in Washington is so
far removed from actually doing anything about mine safety that he
might as well be on Mars.
That is the Bush administration argument: government is so useless
that it does not actually matter that we put incompetent in charge of
things. If they had made that argument a bit more explicit we might
have had a different time in the last few years. Instead they went and
put people with no, or even negative, experience is so many critical
positions from FEMA to MSHA to so many positions in Iraq.
We don't need you to admit that the current administration is guilty
of yet more gross ***** ups (we're atheists, we don't believe in the
impossible) but addressing the points Matt made might make for
interesting debate.
I wondered how long it would take for somebody to Blame Bush for the
mine cave-in.
Rather than refute the facts you complain about piling on. Amazing.
What facts? All you had were lame accusations.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Yangie-poos say: miners killed, RETREAT, DEFEAT, RUN AWAY! |
22 Aug 2007 09:43:42 PM |
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On 22 Aug 2007 21:07:00 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9994AE278E311freddybear@216.151.153.34> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:s07pc39ujda15kmghspj5s4jmnknm50efd@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 20:05:42 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9994A3FBCE3ECfreddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Auntie Lib <wallenbrock@msn.com> wrote in
news:1187812196.342852.20200@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone replied to Matt Silberstein thusly:
How about safe mines? How about not putting in a mine owner, an
owner of a distinctly unsafe mine, in as head of mine safety. How
about not putting in the head of mine safety through a recess
appointment after he was rejected twice.
How about retreating from Washington, since it's dangerous too,
Matt?
You didn't actually address any of the points Matt made, Fred.
(Yeah. We noticed.) If the conditions Matt mentioned were NOT
true, would miners (in what we all recognize is a dangerous line of
work) be safer?
No, of course not. Changing the head bureaucrat in Washington is so
far removed from actually doing anything about mine safety that he
might as well be on Mars.
That is the Bush administration argument: government is so useless
that it does not actually matter that we put incompetent in charge of
things. If they had made that argument a bit more explicit we might
have had a different time in the last few years. Instead they went and
put people with no, or even negative, experience is so many critical
positions from FEMA to MSHA to so many positions in Iraq.
We don't need you to admit that the current administration is guilty
of yet more gross ***** ups (we're atheists, we don't believe in the
impossible) but addressing the points Matt made might make for
interesting debate.
I wondered how long it would take for somebody to Blame Bush for the
mine cave-in.
Rather than refute the facts you complain about piling on. Amazing.
What facts? All you had were lame accusations.
Again, the guy Shrub put in charge of mine safety was an owner of a
mine that had higher than average problems. He was turned down twice
by the Senate and was made as a recess appointment. Sorry, but when
the President works that hard to put someone in place he deserves the
credit and the blame for the results. Your response was that the Feds
don't do anything so it does not matter that the guy in charge of
safety was a mine owner.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Yangie-poos say: miners killed, RETREAT, DEFEAT, RUN AWAY! |
22 Aug 2007 11:01:36 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:pcbpc31g7laq95c5smmb11inuu0248fmad@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 21:07:00 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9994AE278E311freddybear@216.151.153.34> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:s07pc39ujda15kmghspj5s4jmnknm50efd@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 20:05:42 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9994A3FBCE3ECfreddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Auntie Lib <wallenbrock@msn.com> wrote in
news:1187812196.342852.20200@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone replied to Matt Silberstein thusly:
How about safe mines? How about not putting in a mine owner, an
owner of a distinctly unsafe mine, in as head of mine safety.
How
about not putting in the head of mine safety through a recess
appointment after he was rejected twice.
How about retreating from Washington, since it's dangerous too,
Matt?
You didn't actually address any of the points Matt made, Fred.
(Yeah. We noticed.) If the conditions Matt mentioned were NOT
true, would miners (in what we all recognize is a dangerous line
of
work) be safer?
No, of course not. Changing the head bureaucrat in Washington is so
far removed from actually doing anything about mine safety that he
might as well be on Mars.
That is the Bush administration argument: government is so useless
that it does not actually matter that we put incompetent in charge
of
things. If they had made that argument a bit more explicit we might
have had a different time in the last few years. Instead they went
and
put people with no, or even negative, experience is so many critical
positions from FEMA to MSHA to so many positions in Iraq.
We don't need you to admit that the current administration is
guilty
of yet more gross ***** ups (we're atheists, we don't believe in
the
impossible) but addressing the points Matt made might make for
interesting debate.
I wondered how long it would take for somebody to Blame Bush for the
mine cave-in.
Rather than refute the facts you complain about piling on. Amazing.
What facts? All you had were lame accusations.
Again, the guy Shrub put in charge of mine safety was an owner of a
mine that had higher than average problems. He was turned down twice
by the Senate and was made as a recess appointment. Sorry, but when
the President works that hard to put someone in place he deserves the
credit and the blame for the results. Your response was that the Feds
don't do anything so it does not matter that the guy in charge of
safety was a mine owner.
Again, the chief bureaucrat in Washingduhh is so far from being in
control of what happens in a mine in Utah that he might as well be on
Mars. Sorry, but when you Democrats work that hard to prevent the
President from appointing people to fill minor functionary positions in
the government, they deserve to have their heads examined.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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23 Aug 2007 03:25:46 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9994C1D933F1Cfreddybear@216.151.153.45...
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:pcbpc31g7laq95c5smmb11inuu0248fmad@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 21:07:00 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9994AE278E311freddybear@216.151.153.34> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:s07pc39ujda15kmghspj5s4jmnknm50efd@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 20:05:42 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9994A3FBCE3ECfreddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Auntie Lib <wallenbrock@msn.com> wrote in
news:1187812196.342852.20200@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone replied to Matt Silberstein thusly:
How about safe mines? How about not putting in a mine owner, an
owner of a distinctly unsafe mine, in as head of mine safety.
How
about not putting in the head of mine safety through a recess
appointment after he was rejected twice.
How about retreating from Washington, since it's dangerous too,
Matt?
You didn't actually address any of the points Matt made, Fred.
(Yeah. We noticed.) If the conditions Matt mentioned were NOT
true, would miners (in what we all recognize is a dangerous line
of
work) be safer?
No, of course not. Changing the head bureaucrat in Washington is so
far removed from actually doing anything about mine safety that he
might as well be on Mars.
That is the Bush administration argument: government is so useless
that it does not actually matter that we put incompetent in charge
of
things. If they had made that argument a bit more explicit we might
have had a different time in the last few years. Instead they went
and
put people with no, or even negative, experience is so many critical
positions from FEMA to MSHA to so many positions in Iraq.
We don't need you to admit that the current administration is
guilty
of yet more gross ***** ups (we're atheists, we don't believe in
the
impossible) but addressing the points Matt made might make for
interesting debate.
I wondered how long it would take for somebody to Blame Bush for the
mine cave-in.
Rather than refute the facts you complain about piling on. Amazing.
What facts? All you had were lame accusations.
Again, the guy Shrub put in charge of mine safety was an owner of a
mine that had higher than average problems. He was turned down twice
by the Senate and was made as a recess appointment. Sorry, but when
the President works that hard to put someone in place he deserves the
credit and the blame for the results. Your response was that the Feds
don't do anything so it does not matter that the guy in charge of
safety was a mine owner.
Again, the chief bureaucrat in Washingduhh is so far from being in
control of what happens in a mine in Utah that he might as well be on
Mars. Sorry, but when you Democrats work that hard to prevent the
President from appointing people to fill minor functionary positions in
the government, they deserve to have their heads examined.
And what prevented the shrub from appointing someone who could be confirmed
by the Senate? Are you saying that mine owners with less than stellar
records of safety are the only people qualified? Are you saying that the
Senators elected by the people in the various states should have no say in
the matter?
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23 Aug 2007 12:34:40 PM |
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"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9994C1D933F1Cfreddybear@216.151.153.45...
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:pcbpc31g7laq95c5smmb11inuu0248fmad@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 21:07:00 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9994AE278E311freddybear@216.151.153.34> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:s07pc39ujda15kmghspj5s4jmnknm50efd@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 20:05:42 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9994A3FBCE3ECfreddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Auntie Lib <wallenbrock@msn.com> wrote in
news:1187812196.342852.20200@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone replied to Matt Silberstein thusly:
How about safe mines? How about not putting in a mine owner,
an owner of a distinctly unsafe mine, in as head of mine
safety.
How
about not putting in the head of mine safety through a recess
appointment after he was rejected twice.
How about retreating from Washington, since it's dangerous too,
Matt?
You didn't actually address any of the points Matt made, Fred.
(Yeah. We noticed.) If the conditions Matt mentioned were NOT
true, would miners (in what we all recognize is a dangerous line
of
work) be safer?
No, of course not. Changing the head bureaucrat in Washington is
so far removed from actually doing anything about mine safety that
he might as well be on Mars.
That is the Bush administration argument: government is so useless
that it does not actually matter that we put incompetent in charge
of
things. If they had made that argument a bit more explicit we
might have had a different time in the last few years. Instead
they went
and
put people with no, or even negative, experience is so many
critical positions from FEMA to MSHA to so many positions in Iraq.
We don't need you to admit that the current administration is
guilty
of yet more gross ***** ups (we're atheists, we don't believe in
the
impossible) but addressing the points Matt made might make for
interesting debate.
I wondered how long it would take for somebody to Blame Bush for
the mine cave-in.
Rather than refute the facts you complain about piling on.
Amazing.
What facts? All you had were lame accusations.
Again, the guy Shrub put in charge of mine safety was an owner of a
mine that had higher than average problems. He was turned down twice
by the Senate and was made as a recess appointment. Sorry, but when
the President works that hard to put someone in place he deserves
the credit and the blame for the results. Your response was that the
Feds don't do anything so it does not matter that the guy in charge
of safety was a mine owner.
Again, the chief bureaucrat in Washingduhh is so far from being in
control of what happens in a mine in Utah that he might as well be on
Mars. Sorry, but when you Democrats work that hard to prevent the
President from appointing people to fill minor functionary positions
in the government, they deserve to have their heads examined.
And what prevented the shrub from appointing someone who could be
confirmed by the Senate?
The Democrats were going to stall anybody that Bush appointed,
regardless of their qualifications.
Are you saying that mine owners with less
than stellar records of safety are the only people qualified? Are you
saying that the Senators elected by the people in the various states
should have no say in the matter?
Oh, come on ike, you know perfectly well that it had nothing to do with
the qualifications of the person appointed.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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On 23 Aug 2007 12:34:40 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999557500FA65freddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13cpvi1e59gl60d@corp.supernews.com:
[snip]
And what prevented the shrub from appointing someone who could be
confirmed by the Senate?
The Democrats were going to stall anybody that Bush appointed,
regardless of their qualifications.
And, yet, the overwhelming number of his appointees were approved of.
And, yet, the Republicans did more to stop Clinton's judicial
appointees than the Democrats have done to Bush.
Are you saying that mine owners with less
than stellar records of safety are the only people qualified? Are you
saying that the Senators elected by the people in the various states
should have no say in the matter?
Oh, come on ike, you know perfectly well that it had nothing to do with
the qualifications of the person appointed.
No, I don't know that and if you know it please tell us how you know.
I know that the man had a mine that had a higher than average number
of safety violations. That sure seems like a good reason to keep him
from monitoring mine safety.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:3f3rc399qopog62o6i003vqf62bth9ibqr@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 12:34:40 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999557500FA65freddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13cpvi1e59gl60d@corp.supernews.com:
[snip]
And what prevented the shrub from appointing someone who could be
confirmed by the Senate?
The Democrats were going to stall anybody that Bush appointed,
regardless of their qualifications.
And, yet, the overwhelming number of his appointees were approved of.
The Democrats stalled as many as they could.
And, yet, the Republicans did more to stop Clinton's judicial
appointees than the Democrats have done to Bush.
Baloney.
Are you saying that mine owners with less
than stellar records of safety are the only people qualified? Are
you saying that the Senators elected by the people in the various
states should have no say in the matter?
Oh, come on ike, you know perfectly well that it had nothing to do
with the qualifications of the person appointed.
No, I don't know that and if you know it please tell us how you know.
I know that the man had a mine that had a higher than average number
of safety violations. That sure seems like a good reason to keep him
from monitoring mine safety.
So you're saying that 50% of all possible appointees are automatically
disqualified.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9995664551B22freddybear@216.151.153.44...
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:3f3rc399qopog62o6i003vqf62bth9ibqr@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 12:34:40 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999557500FA65freddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13cpvi1e59gl60d@corp.supernews.com:
[snip]
And what prevented the shrub from appointing someone who could be
confirmed by the Senate?
The Democrats were going to stall anybody that Bush appointed,
regardless of their qualifications.
And, yet, the overwhelming number of his appointees were approved of.
The Democrats stalled as many as they could.
And, yet, the Republicans did more to stop Clinton's judicial
appointees than the Democrats have done to Bush.
Baloney.
Are you saying that mine owners with less
than stellar records of safety are the only people qualified? Are
you saying that the Senators elected by the people in the various
states should have no say in the matter?
Oh, come on ike, you know perfectly well that it had nothing to do
with the qualifications of the person appointed.
No, I don't know that and if you know it please tell us how you know.
I know that the man had a mine that had a higher than average number
of safety violations. That sure seems like a good reason to keep him
from monitoring mine safety.
So you're saying that 50% of all possible appointees are automatically
disqualified.
It would seem to imply 50% of mine owners. So it would apply if all
appointees were mine owners. Or is it only possible to appoint mine owenrs?
By statute?
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"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13csj932puaehfc@corp.supernews.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9995664551B22freddybear@216.151.153.44...
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:3f3rc399qopog62o6i003vqf62bth9ibqr@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 12:34:40 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999557500FA65freddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13cpvi1e59gl60d@corp.supernews.com:
[snip]
And what prevented the shrub from appointing someone who could be
confirmed by the Senate?
The Democrats were going to stall anybody that Bush appointed,
regardless of their qualifications.
And, yet, the overwhelming number of his appointees were approved
of.
The Democrats stalled as many as they could.
And, yet, the Republicans did more to stop Clinton's judicial
appointees than the Democrats have done to Bush.
Baloney.
Are you saying that mine owners with less
than stellar records of safety are the only people qualified? Are
you saying that the Senators elected by the people in the various
states should have no say in the matter?
Oh, come on ike, you know perfectly well that it had nothing to do
with the qualifications of the person appointed.
No, I don't know that and if you know it please tell us how you
know. I know that the man had a mine that had a higher than average
number of safety violations. That sure seems like a good reason to
keep him from monitoring mine safety.
So you're saying that 50% of all possible appointees are
automatically disqualified.
It would seem to imply 50% of mine owners. So it would apply if all
appointees were mine owners. Or is it only possible to appoint mine
owenrs? By statute?
Well of course we could appoint somebody with absolutely no experience
at all.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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On 24 Aug 2007 16:47:35 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99968232539DBfreddybear@216.151.153.46> wrote:
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13csj932puaehfc@corp.supernews.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9995664551B22freddybear@216.151.153.44...
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:3f3rc399qopog62o6i003vqf62bth9ibqr@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 12:34:40 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999557500FA65freddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13cpvi1e59gl60d@corp.supernews.com:
[snip]
And what prevented the shrub from appointing someone who could be
confirmed by the Senate?
The Democrats were going to stall anybody that Bush appointed,
regardless of their qualifications.
And, yet, the overwhelming number of his appointees were approved
of.
The Democrats stalled as many as they could.
And, yet, the Republicans did more to stop Clinton's judicial
appointees than the Democrats have done to Bush.
Baloney.
Are you saying that mine owners with less
than stellar records of safety are the only people qualified? Are
you saying that the Senators elected by the people in the various
states should have no say in the matter?
Oh, come on ike, you know perfectly well that it had nothing to do
with the qualifications of the person appointed.
No, I don't know that and if you know it please tell us how you
know. I know that the man had a mine that had a higher than average
number of safety violations. That sure seems like a good reason to
keep him from monitoring mine safety.
So you're saying that 50% of all possible appointees are
automatically disqualified.
It would seem to imply 50% of mine owners. So it would apply if all
appointees were mine owners. Or is it only possible to appoint mine
owenrs? By statute?
Well of course we could appoint somebody with absolutely no experience
at all.
Or, as I said, appoint someone with experience. You keep implying, but
somehow won't come out and say it, that the only possible people to
appoint are mine owners.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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24 Aug 2007 06:06:26 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:804uc3ln678j7cqnngfbjqq6fd7g2h5rd0@4ax.com:
On 24 Aug 2007 16:47:35 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99968232539DBfreddybear@216.151.153.46> wrote:
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13csj932puaehfc@corp.supernews.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9995664551B22freddybear@216.151.153.44...
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:3f3rc399qopog62o6i003vqf62bth9ibqr@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 12:34:40 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999557500FA65freddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13cpvi1e59gl60d@corp.supernews.com:
[snip]
And what prevented the shrub from appointing someone who could
be confirmed by the Senate?
The Democrats were going to stall anybody that Bush appointed,
regardless of their qualifications.
And, yet, the overwhelming number of his appointees were approved
of.
The Democrats stalled as many as they could.
And, yet, the Republicans did more to stop Clinton's judicial
appointees than the Democrats have done to Bush.
Baloney.
Are you saying that mine owners with less
than stellar records of safety are the only people qualified?
Are you saying that the Senators elected by the people in the
various states should have no say in the matter?
Oh, come on ike, you know perfectly well that it had nothing to do
with the qualifications of the person appointed.
No, I don't know that and if you know it please tell us how you
know. I know that the man had a mine that had a higher than
average number of safety violations. That sure seems like a good
reason to keep him from monitoring mine safety.
So you're saying that 50% of all possible appointees are
automatically disqualified.
It would seem to imply 50% of mine owners. So it would apply if all
appointees were mine owners. Or is it only possible to appoint mine
owenrs? By statute?
Well of course we could appoint somebody with absolutely no experience
at all.
Or, as I said, appoint someone with experience. You keep implying, but
somehow won't come out and say it, that the only possible people to
appoint are mine owners.
You keep saying "appoint somebody with experience" but won't say who
else might have the relevant experience.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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On 24 Aug 2007 18:06:26 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99968EF14D238freddybear@216.151.153.41> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:804uc3ln678j7cqnngfbjqq6fd7g2h5rd0@4ax.com:
On 24 Aug 2007 16:47:35 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99968232539DBfreddybear@216.151.153.46> wrote:
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13csj932puaehfc@corp.supernews.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9995664551B22freddybear@216.151.153.44...
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:3f3rc399qopog62o6i003vqf62bth9ibqr@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 12:34:40 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999557500FA65freddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13cpvi1e59gl60d@corp.supernews.com:
[snip]
And what prevented the shrub from appointing someone who could
be confirmed by the Senate?
The Democrats were going to stall anybody that Bush appointed,
regardless of their qualifications.
And, yet, the overwhelming number of his appointees were approved
of.
The Democrats stalled as many as they could.
And, yet, the Republicans did more to stop Clinton's judicial
appointees than the Democrats have done to Bush.
Baloney.
Are you saying that mine owners with less
than stellar records of safety are the only people qualified?
Are you saying that the Senators elected by the people in the
various states should have no say in the matter?
Oh, come on ike, you know perfectly well that it had nothing to do
with the qualifications of the person appointed.
No, I don't know that and if you know it please tell us how you
know. I know that the man had a mine that had a higher than
average number of safety violations. That sure seems like a good
reason to keep him from monitoring mine safety.
So you're saying that 50% of all possible appointees are
automatically disqualified.
It would seem to imply 50% of mine owners. So it would apply if all
appointees were mine owners. Or is it only possible to appoint mine
owenrs? By statute?
Well of course we could appoint somebody with absolutely no experience
at all.
Or, as I said, appoint someone with experience. You keep implying, but
somehow won't come out and say it, that the only possible people to
appoint are mine owners.
You keep saying "appoint somebody with experience" but won't say who
else might have the relevant experience.
Let's first see if you can think of anyone but a mine owner. Because
right now that is all you seem to think can do the job of monitoring
mine safety.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:fd9uc399qmod8m6ojkmrjj05ev0odiv7e5@4ax.com:
On 24 Aug 2007 18:06:26 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99968EF14D238freddybear@216.151.153.41> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:804uc3ln678j7cqnngfbjqq6fd7g2h5rd0@4ax.com:
On 24 Aug 2007 16:47:35 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99968232539DBfreddybear@216.151.153.46> wrote:
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13csj932puaehfc@corp.supernews.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9995664551B22freddybear@216.151.153.44...
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com>
wrote in news:3f3rc399qopog62o6i003vqf62bth9ibqr@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 12:34:40 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999557500FA65freddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13cpvi1e59gl60d@corp.supernews.com:
[snip]
And what prevented the shrub from appointing someone who could
be confirmed by the Senate?
The Democrats were going to stall anybody that Bush appointed,
regardless of their qualifications.
And, yet, the overwhelming number of his appointees were
approved of.
The Democrats stalled as many as they could.
And, yet, the Republicans did more to stop Clinton's judicial
appointees than the Democrats have done to Bush.
Baloney.
Are you saying that mine owners with less
than stellar records of safety are the only people qualified?
Are you saying that the Senators elected by the people in the
various states should have no say in the matter?
Oh, come on ike, you know perfectly well that it had nothing to
do with the qualifications of the person appointed.
No, I don't know that and if you know it please tell us how you
know. I know that the man had a mine that had a higher than
average number of safety violations. That sure seems like a good
reason to keep him from monitoring mine safety.
So you're saying that 50% of all possible appointees are
automatically disqualified.
It would seem to imply 50% of mine owners. So it would apply if
all appointees were mine owners. Or is it only possible to appoint
mine owenrs? By statute?
Well of course we could appoint somebody with absolutely no
experience at all.
Or, as I said, appoint someone with experience. You keep implying,
but somehow won't come out and say it, that the only possible people
to appoint are mine owners.
You keep saying "appoint somebody with experience" but won't say who
else might have the relevant experience.
Let's first see if you can think of anyone but a mine owner. Because
right now that is all you seem to think can do the job of monitoring
mine safety.
I can think of lots of people.
When will you put forward some alternatives that you're prepared to
defend?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:14:20 -0400, ike milligan wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9995664551B22freddybear@216.151.153.44...
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:3f3rc399qopog62o6i003vqf62bth9ibqr@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 12:34:40 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999557500FA65freddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13cpvi1e59gl60d@corp.supernews.com:
[snip]
And what prevented the shrub from appointing someone who could be
confirmed by the Senate?
The Democrats were going to stall anybody that Bush appointed,
regardless of their qualifications.
And, yet, the overwhelming number of his appointees were approved of.
The Democrats stalled as many as they could.
And, yet, the Republicans did more to stop Clinton's judicial
appointees than the Democrats have done to Bush.
Baloney.
Are you saying that mine owners with less than stellar records of
safety are the only people qualified? Are you saying that the
Senators elected by the people in the various states should have no
say in the matter?
Oh, come on ike, you know perfectly well that it had nothing to do
with the qualifications of the person appointed.
No, I don't know that and if you know it please tell us how you know.
I know that the man had a mine that had a higher than average number
of safety violations. That sure seems like a good reason to keep him
from monitoring mine safety.
So you're saying that 50% of all possible appointees are automatically
disqualified.
It would seem to imply 50% of mine owners. So it would apply if all
appointees were mine owners. Or is it only possible to appoint mine
owenrs? By statute?
Well, having someone who knows the industry could be useful. Funny thing,
though, this bit about 50% of such people being disqualified, the answer
is "hell yes!"
I mean, if you're hiring, do you want someone from the bottom half or the
top half?
For that matter, shouldn't it be that 90% are disqualified? As in
shouldn't we be picking from the top?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Morality is doing what is right, no matter what you're
told. Religion is doing what you're told, not matter what
is right."
- Jerry Sturdivant
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On 23 Aug 2007 14:01:37 GMT, in alt.atheism
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
<Xns9995664551B22freddybear@216.151.153.44>:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:3f3rc399qopog62o6i003vqf62bth9ibqr@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 12:34:40 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999557500FA65freddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:13cpvi1e59gl60d@corp.supernews.com:
[snip]
And what prevented the shrub from appointing someone who could be
confirmed by the Senate?
The Democrats were going to stall anybody that Bush appointed,
regardless of their qualifications.
And, yet, the overwhelming number of his appointees were approved of.
The Democrats stalled as many as they could.
And, yet, the Republicans did more to stop Clinton's judicial
appointees than the Democrats have done to Bush.
Baloney.
How many judicial nominees were left over at the end of Clinton's
presidency?
Are you saying that mine owners with less
than stellar records of safety are the only people qualified? Are
you saying that the Senators elected by the people in the various
states should have no say in the matter?
Oh, come on ike, you know perfectly well that it had nothing to do
with the qualifications of the person appointed.
No, I don't know that and if you know it please tell us how you know.
I know that the man had a mine that had a higher than average number
of safety violations. That sure seems like a good reason to keep him
from monitoring mine safety.
So you're saying that 50% of all possible appointees are automatically
disqualified.
It makes little sense to appoint someone to enforce safety rules who has
already shown his disregard and even contempt for those rules. Mine
owners are not the entire pool of possible appointees to run mine
safety. I realize Bush cannot get good help, but still, he needed to
try.
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On 23 Aug 2007 14:01:37 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9995664551B22freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:3f3rc399qopog62o6i003vqf62bth9ibqr@4ax.com:
[snip]
No, I don't know that and if you know it please tell us how you know.
I know that the man had a mine that had a higher than average number
of safety violations. That sure seems like a good reason to keep him
from monitoring mine safety.
So you're saying that 50% of all possible appointees are automatically
disqualified.
Astounding. You can't even imagine someone other than a mine owner in
charge of mine safety. But, yes, if that is the only pool of
applicants then go with someone with a record of running a safe mine
rather than a dangerous one.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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23 Aug 2007 02:49:22 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
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On 23 Aug 2007 14:01:37 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9995664551B22freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:3f3rc399qopog62o6i003vqf62bth9ibqr@4ax.com:
[snip]
No, I don't know that and if you know it please tell us how you
know.
I know that the man had a mine that had a higher than average number
of safety violations. That sure seems like a good reason to keep him
from monitoring mine safety.
So you're saying that 50% of all possible appointees are automatically
disqualified.
Astounding. You can't even imagine someone other than a mine owner in
charge of mine safety. But, yes, if that is the only pool of
applicants then go with someone with a record of running a safe mine
rather than a dangerous one.
Oh, of course, we could put Harry Reid's second cousin's father-in-law
in charge. I suppose that he would sail right through the committee.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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| Title: Re: Yangie-poos say: miners killed, RETREAT, DEFEAT, RUN AWAY! |
23 Aug 2007 02:55:52 PM |
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On 23 Aug 2007 14:49:22 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99956E6748879freddybear@216.151.153.45> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:ra6rc3h7ldjc38e84g6iuopfp52aqg5nrd@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 14:01:37 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9995664551B22freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:3f3rc399qopog62o6i003vqf62bth9ibqr@4ax.com:
[snip]
No, I don't know that and if you know it please tell us how you
know.
I know that the man had a mine that had a higher than average number
of safety violations. That sure seems like a good reason to keep him
from monitoring mine safety.
So you're saying that 50% of all possible appointees are automatically
disqualified.
Astounding. You can't even imagine someone other than a mine owner in
charge of mine safety. But, yes, if that is the only pool of
applicants then go with someone with a record of running a safe mine
rather than a dangerous one.
Oh, of course, we could put Harry Reid's second cousin's father-in-law
in charge. I suppose that he would sail right through the committee.
Or, even someone with experience and expertise in achieving mine
safety.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Yangie-poos say: miners killed, RETREAT, DEFEAT, RUN AWAY! |
23 Aug 2007 03:17:02 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:ru7rc31f6kgm4bgvji76fln7l1geb7qvoq@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 14:49:22 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99956E6748879freddybear@216.151.153.45> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:ra6rc3h7ldjc38e84g6iuopfp52aqg5nrd@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 14:01:37 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9995664551B22freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:3f3rc399qopog62o6i003vqf62bth9ibqr@4ax.com:
[snip]
No, I don't know that and if you know it please tell us how you
know.
I know that the man had a mine that had a higher than average
number of safety violations. That sure seems like a good reason to
keep him from monitoring mine safety.
So you're saying that 50% of all possible appointees are
automatically disqualified.
Astounding. You can't even imagine someone other than a mine owner
in charge of mine safety. But, yes, if that is the only pool of
applicants then go with someone with a record of running a safe mine
rather than a dangerous one.
Oh, of course, we could put Harry Reid's second cousin's father-in-law
in charge. I suppose that he would sail right through the committee.
Or, even someone with experience and expertise in achieving mine
safety.
Not if Bush nominated him.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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| Title: Re: Yangie-poos say: miners killed, RETREAT, DEFEAT, RUN AWAY! |
24 Aug 2007 03:17:59 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns999572846D6D1freddybear@216.151.153.14...
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:ru7rc31f6kgm4bgvji76fln7l1geb7qvoq@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 14:49:22 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99956E6748879freddybear@216.151.153.45> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:ra6rc3h7ldjc38e84g6iuopfp52aqg5nrd@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 14:01:37 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9995664551B22freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:3f3rc399qopog62o6i003vqf62bth9ibqr@4ax.com:
[snip]
No, I don't know that and if you know it please tell us how you
know.
I know that the man had a mine that had a higher than average
number of safety violations. That sure seems like a good reason to
keep him from monitoring mine safety.
So you're saying that 50% of all possible appointees are
automatically disqualified.
Astounding. You can't even imagine someone other than a mine owner
in charge of mine safety. But, yes, if that is the only pool of
applicants then go with someone with a record of running a safe mine
rather than a dangerous one.
Oh, of course, we could put Harry Reid's second cousin's father-in-law
in charge. I suppose that he would sail right through the committee.
Or, even someone with experience and expertise in achieving mine
safety.
Not if Bush nominated him.
If Bush did that, he would violate the principle of universal oppression.
That would be counter to the elitist ideal of stomping on the common people.
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23 Aug 2007 04:01:37 PM |
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On 23 Aug 2007 15:17:02 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999572846D6D1freddybear@216.151.153.14> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:ru7rc31f6kgm4bgvji76fln7l1geb7qvoq@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 14:49:22 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99956E6748879freddybear@216.151.153.45> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:ra6rc3h7ldjc38e84g6iuopfp52aqg5nrd@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 14:01:37 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9995664551B22freddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:3f3rc399qopog62o6i003vqf62bth9ibqr@4ax.com:
[snip]
No, I don't know that and if you know it please tell us how you
know.
I know that the man had a mine that had a higher than average
number of safety violations. That sure seems like a good reason to
keep him from monitoring mine safety.
So you're saying that 50% of all possible appointees are
automatically disqualified.
Astounding. You can't even imagine someone other than a mine owner
in charge of mine safety. But, yes, if that is the only pool of
applicants then go with someone with a record of running a safe mine
rather than a dangerous one.
Oh, of course, we could put Harry Reid's second cousin's father-in-law
in charge. I suppose that he would sail right through the committee.
Or, even someone with experience and expertise in achieving mine
safety.
Not if Bush nominated him.
Apparently not.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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23 Aug 2007 03:42:35 AM |
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:25:46 -0400, in alt.atheism , "ike milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> in <13cpvi1e59gl60d@corp.supernews.com>
wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9994C1D933F1Cfreddybear@216.151.153.45...
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:pcbpc31g7laq95c5smmb11inuu0248fmad@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 21:07:00 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9994AE278E311freddybear@216.151.153.34> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:s07pc39ujda15kmghspj5s4jmnknm50efd@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 20:05:42 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9994A3FBCE3ECfreddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Auntie Lib <wallenbrock@msn.com> wrote in
news:1187812196.342852.20200@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone replied to Matt Silberstein thusly:
How about safe mines? How about not putting in a mine owner, an
owner of a distinctly unsafe mine, in as head of mine safety.
How
about not putting in the head of mine safety through a recess
appointment after he was rejected twice.
How about retreating from Washington, since it's dangerous too,
Matt?
You didn't actually address any of the points Matt made, Fred.
(Yeah. We noticed.) If the conditions Matt mentioned were NOT
true, would miners (in what we all recognize is a dangerous line
of
work) be safer?
No, of course not. Changing the head bureaucrat in Washington is so
far removed from actually doing anything about mine safety that he
might as well be on Mars.
That is the Bush administration argument: government is so useless
that it does not actually matter that we put incompetent in charge
of
things. If they had made that argument a bit more explicit we might
have had a different time in the last few years. Instead they went
and
put people with no, or even negative, experience is so many critical
positions from FEMA to MSHA to so many positions in Iraq.
We don't need you to admit that the current administration is
guilty
of yet more gross ***** ups (we're atheists, we don't believe in
the
impossible) but addressing the points Matt made might make for
interesting debate.
I wondered how long it would take for somebody to Blame Bush for the
mine cave-in.
Rather than refute the facts you complain about piling on. Amazing.
What facts? All you had were lame accusations.
Again, the guy Shrub put in charge of mine safety was an owner of a
mine that had higher than average problems. He was turned down twice
by the Senate and was made as a recess appointment. Sorry, but when
the President works that hard to put someone in place he deserves the
credit and the blame for the results. Your response was that the Feds
don't do anything so it does not matter that the guy in charge of
safety was a mine owner.
Again, the chief bureaucrat in Washingduhh is so far from being in
control of what happens in a mine in Utah that he might as well be on
Mars. Sorry, but when you Democrats work that hard to prevent the
President from appointing people to fill minor functionary positions in
the government, they deserve to have their heads examined.
And what prevented the shrub from appointing someone who could be confirmed
by the Senate? Are you saying that mine owners with less than stellar
records of safety are the only people qualified? Are you saying that the
Senators elected by the people in the various states should have no say in
the matter?
He is saying, as he has in the past, that it does not matter who gets
the job since "obviously" government can't do anything of value
anyway. It is ok to put incompetent or people who oppose the work they
are in charge of, they can't affect anything. I can't figure out,
though, why Fred would care about anyone in government.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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