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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass"
Date: 12 Aug 2005 09:36:17 AM
Object: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition)
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/12358861.htm
FBI agents were seeking to arrest a once-powerful Washington, D.C.,
lobbyist on Thursday after a Fort Lauderdale federal grand jury
charged him and a New York businessman with scheming to defraud two
lenders in a $147.5 million purchase of SunCruz Casinos.
Agents were to take Republican insider Jack Abramoff into custody on
Thursday afternoon in the Baltimore area. His partner in the
controversial 2000 SunCruz acquisition, Adam Kidan, was expected to
surrender to authorities, according to sources familiar with the
probe.
The South Florida indictment charging the duo with defrauding $60
million from two lenders that financed the sale instantly rocked the
nation's corridors of power. Indeed, rumors of their imminent arrests
circulated during the past week.
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User: "hcannon"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 12 Aug 2005 10:51:58 AM
"> FBI agents were seeking to arrest a once-powerful Washington, D.C.,

lobbyist on Thursday after a Fort Lauderdale federal grand jury
charged him and a New York businessman with scheming to defraud two
lenders in a $147.5 million purchase of SunCruz Casinos.

Agents were to take Republican insider Jack Abramoff into custody on
Thursday afternoon in the Baltimore area. His partner in the
controversial 2000 SunCruz acquisition, Adam Kidan, was expected to
surrender to authorities, according to sources familiar with the
probe.

The South Florida indictment charging the duo with defrauding $60
million from two lenders that financed the sale instantly rocked the
nation's corridors of power. Indeed, rumors of their imminent arrests
circulated during the past week.


Your hero Clinton would have let them off like he pardoned the Puerto Rican
terrorist and the FBI picketed.
.
User: "Dion"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 12 Aug 2005 10:56:45 AM
"hcannon" <hcannon18@cox.net> wrote in message
news:At3Le.178$5U2.28@lakeread07...


"> FBI agents were seeking to arrest a once-powerful Washington, D.C.,

lobbyist on Thursday after a Fort Lauderdale federal grand jury
charged him and a New York businessman with scheming to defraud two
lenders in a $147.5 million purchase of SunCruz Casinos.

Agents were to take Republican insider Jack Abramoff into custody on
Thursday afternoon in the Baltimore area. His partner in the
controversial 2000 SunCruz acquisition, Adam Kidan, was expected to
surrender to authorities, according to sources familiar with the
probe.

The South Florida indictment charging the duo with defrauding $60
million from two lenders that financed the sale instantly rocked the
nation's corridors of power. Indeed, rumors of their imminent arrests
circulated during the past week.


Your hero Clinton would have let them off like he pardoned the Puerto
Rican
terrorist and the FBI picketed.

Anything like the pardoning of a plane load of bin-Ladens leaving America
for their homeland of Saudi Arabia A coupla days after 9-11.
--
Dion
"Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war."
William Shakespeare
.
User: "Shuurai"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 13 Aug 2005 11:29:35 AM


Anything like the pardoning of a plane load of bin-Ladens leaving
America for their homeland of Saudi Arabia A coupla days after 9-11.

What crime were they 'pardoned' for? You don't even know what the
term 'pardon' means, do you?
.
User: "hcannon"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 13 Aug 2005 12:20:11 PM

Anything like the pardoning of a plane load of bin-Ladens leaving
America for their homeland of Saudi Arabia A coupla days after 9-11.


What crime were they 'pardoned' for? You don't even know what the
term 'pardon' means, do you?

Being Saudis and leaving the country of course.
.
User: "Shuurai"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 13 Aug 2005 02:56:35 PM
hcannon wrote:

Anything like the pardoning of a plane load of bin-Ladens
leaving America for their homeland of Saudi Arabia A coupla
days after 9-11.


What crime were they 'pardoned' for? You don't even know what
the term 'pardon' means, do you?


Being Saudis and leaving the country of course.

I thought the liberals were against profiling...
.
User: "slim"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 14 Aug 2005 09:26:51 PM
Shuurai wrote:


hcannon wrote:

Anything like the pardoning of a plane load of bin-Ladens
leaving America for their homeland of Saudi Arabia A coupla
days after 9-11.


What crime were they 'pardoned' for? You don't even know what
the term 'pardon' means, do you?


Being Saudis and leaving the country of course.


I thought the liberals were against profiling...

The RepubLICKans certainly are against it since they invaded
Iraq
After all it has been established that there was no Iraqi involvment
with 9/11.
--
"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
.
User: "hcannon"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 15 Aug 2005 08:34:55 AM


The RepubLICKans certainly are against it since they invaded
Iraq

After all it has been established that there was no Iraqi involvment
with 9/11.

Nor any Serbian.
.

User: "Shuurai"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 15 Aug 2005 12:36:26 PM

Being Saudis and leaving the country of course.


I thought the liberals were against profiling...


The RepubLICKans certainly are against it since they invaded
Iraq

Hey, that's clever the way you got the word "lick" in there!
Really, it almost hides the fact that you've got no point.

After all it has been established that there was no Iraqi
involvment with 9/11.

Just for fun - and I know this is going to be difficult for
you, but please try - do ya think you could actually stick to
the discussion? I mean, I know your first instinct is to
try to dodge and divert anything that makes you actually
question or even think about your half-baked views, but let's
try...
Why - based on your views about profiling - would they be
justified in detaining a group of people based only on their
ethnic origin and last name? These folks weren't being
accused of any crime - not even folks like you who whine
about them leaving the country can come up with a real and
valid *reason* to detain them. No crime, not even the least
bit of evidence that they were involved.
.
User: "slim"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 15 Aug 2005 04:55:54 PM
Shuurai wrote:


Being Saudis and leaving the country of course.


I thought the liberals were against profiling...


The RepubLICKans certainly are against it since they invaded
Iraq


Hey, that's clever the way you got the word "lick" in there!
Really, it almost hides the fact that you've got no point.

After all it has been established that there was no Iraqi
involvment with 9/11.


Just for fun - and I know this is going to be difficult for
you, but please try - do ya think you could actually stick to
the discussion? I mean, I know your first instinct is to
try to dodge and divert anything that makes you actually
question or even think about your half-baked views, but let's
try...

Why - based on your views about profiling - would they be
justified in detaining a group of people based only on their
ethnic origin and last name? These folks weren't being
accused of any crime - not even folks like you who whine
about them leaving the country can come up with a real and
valid *reason* to detain them. No crime, not even the least
bit of evidence that they were involved.

Figure out who you are responding to in this thread.
I am against profiling.
--
"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush
.



User: "David L. Burkhead"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 13 Aug 2005 03:52:42 PM
Shuurai wrote:

hcannon wrote:

Anything like the pardoning of a plane load of bin-Ladens
leaving America for their homeland of Saudi Arabia A coupla
days after 9-11.


What crime were they 'pardoned' for? You don't even know what
the term 'pardon' means, do you?


Being Saudis and leaving the country of course.


I thought the liberals were against profiling...

No, no, no. They're against anything that Republicans do. If a
Republican administration is involved in profiling (i.e. giving closer
attention to people who resemble, in various ways, people who have actually
committed crimes and atrocities) then they are against profiling because
it's some "ist" (usually "racist"). If, OTOH, a Republican administration
has some connection to folk who _don't_ give greater attention to such
people, then they complain about not giving the greater attention.
The fact that these two positions are mutually exclusive, and
exhaustive, doesn't seem to preclude them holding both positions at the same
time.
--
David L. Burkhead "May I be just half the person
mailto:dburkhuad@comcast.net my dog thinks I am."
My webcomic Cold Servings
http://coldservings.keenspace.com
Updates Wednesdays
.




User: "SmokeScreen"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 12 Aug 2005 12:20:24 PM
Dion wrote:

"hcannon" <hcannon18@cox.net> wrote in message
news:At3Le.178$5U2.28@lakeread07...

"> FBI agents were seeking to arrest a once-powerful Washington, D.C.,

lobbyist on Thursday after a Fort Lauderdale federal grand jury
charged him and a New York businessman with scheming to defraud two
lenders in a $147.5 million purchase of SunCruz Casinos.

Agents were to take Republican insider Jack Abramoff into custody on
Thursday afternoon in the Baltimore area. His partner in the
controversial 2000 SunCruz acquisition, Adam Kidan, was expected to
surrender to authorities, according to sources familiar with the
probe.

The South Florida indictment charging the duo with defrauding $60
million from two lenders that financed the sale instantly rocked the
nation's corridors of power. Indeed, rumors of their imminent arrests
circulated during the past week.



Your hero Clinton would have let them off like he pardoned the Puerto
Rican
terrorist and the FBI picketed.



Anything like the pardoning of a plane load of bin-Ladens leaving America
for their homeland of Saudi Arabia A coupla days after 9-11.

LOL! I think when money has corrupted the entire political process
the politicians on either side feel nothing for their electorates
any more.
.
User: "hcannon"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 12 Aug 2005 05:29:08 PM



Anything like the pardoning of a plane load of bin-Ladens leaving

America

for their homeland of Saudi Arabia A coupla days after 9-11.


LOL! I think when money has corrupted the entire political process
the politicians on either side feel nothing for their electorates
any more.

Tch - false charge read the 9-11 Commission Report.
.
User: "Kevin Lowe"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 12 Aug 2005 09:09:29 PM
In article <Wh9Le.200$5U2.42@lakeread07>, "hcannon" <hcannon18@cox.net>
wrote:

Tch - false charge read the 9-11 Commission Report.

It doesn't actually explain how the FBI figured out in 48 hours that
none of the bolting Saudis knew anything worth knowing, none of them
knew anybody worth knowing about, none of them knew anything about the
shorting of airline stocks, none of them would look good naked on top of
a human pyramid etc.
It's also been put about widely that the subsequent string of incredibly
suspicious deaths amongst the Saudi ruling class was a housecleaning of
the 9-11 conspirators and at least one of those who "fell down a lift
shaft and landed on six bullets" was one of the 9-13 departures. Google
for Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz.
It is at the very least plausible that a bunch of people involved with
9-11 were waved out of the USA on 9-13 because of the Bush/Saudi
political relationship, on the understanding that they would be
assassinated later if they were bad for business.
--
Kevin Lowe,
Tasmania.
.
User: "hcannon"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 13 Aug 2005 06:01:56 AM
"> > Tch - false charge read the 9-11 Commission Report.


It doesn't actually explain how the FBI figured out in 48 hours that
none of the bolting Saudis knew anything worth knowing, none of them
knew anybody worth knowing about, none of them knew anything about the
shorting of airline stocks, none of them would look good naked on top of
a human pyramid etc.

" Second we found no evidence of political intervention. We found no
evidence that anyone at the White House above the level of Richard Clark
participated in a decision on the departure of Saudi nationals." P 329, "
The 9-11 Commission Report." WTF do you want explained? It was a BI -
PARTISAN COMMISSION.

It's also been put about widely that the subsequent string of incredibly
suspicious deaths amongst the Saudi ruling class was a housecleaning of
the 9-11 conspirators and at least one of those who "fell down a lift
shaft and landed on six bullets" was one of the 9-13 departures. Google
for Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz.

It was widely PUT ABOUT that the Mafia, the CIA, Castro, and the KGB and
other sundry groups assinated Kennedy. Read the "The Kingfish" you will be
convinced the Mafia did it.
IT WAS LEE HARVEY OSWALD. The WARREN COMMISSION SAID SO. I can string
together any sequence of events and make them look sinister. Put that about.

It is at the very least plausible that a bunch of people involved with
9-11 were waved out of the USA on 9-13 because of the Bush/Saudi
political relationship, on the understanding that they would be
assassinated later if they were bad for business.

Plausible? How weak. Put about and plausible - what damning evidence.
Bring some solid evidence and let's have a hanging. After all I am a
conservative, I like hangings.
.
User: "Kevin Lowe"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 13 Aug 2005 09:55:01 AM
In article <GjkLe.230$5U2.202@lakeread07>,
"hcannon" <hcannon18@cox.net> wrote:

"> > Tch - false charge read the 9-11 Commission Report.


It doesn't actually explain how the FBI figured out in 48 hours that
none of the bolting Saudis knew anything worth knowing, none of them
knew anybody worth knowing about, none of them knew anything about the
shorting of airline stocks, none of them would look good naked on top of
a human pyramid etc.


" Second we found no evidence of political intervention. We found no
evidence that anyone at the White House above the level of Richard Clark
participated in a decision on the departure of Saudi nationals." P 329, "
The 9-11 Commission Report." WTF do you want explained? It was a BI -
PARTISAN COMMISSION.

Well damn, I thought they would tell the 9-11 Commission (which was
packed with intelligence people in the first place) that they let
suspects go, planning to kill any guilty ones later, so as not to *****
off the Saudi royalty who own a huge chunk of the US economy. Then I
thought that the 9-11 Commission would publish that so everyone could
read it.
Well, if that didn't happen I guess I *must* be wrong.

It's also been put about widely that the subsequent string of incredibly
suspicious deaths amongst the Saudi ruling class was a housecleaning of
the 9-11 conspirators and at least one of those who "fell down a lift
shaft and landed on six bullets" was one of the 9-13 departures. Google
for Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz.


It was widely PUT ABOUT that the Mafia, the CIA, Castro, and the KGB and
other sundry groups assinated Kennedy. Read the "The Kingfish" you will be
convinced the Mafia did it.
IT WAS LEE HARVEY OSWALD. The WARREN COMMISSION SAID SO. I can string
together any sequence of events and make them look sinister. Put that about.

Go on, Google for the dude.
Frankly I would have thought you would have been all for whacking the
9-11 conspirators without benefit of a court hearing.

It is at the very least plausible that a bunch of people involved with
9-11 were waved out of the USA on 9-13 because of the Bush/Saudi
political relationship, on the understanding that they would be
assassinated later if they were bad for business.


Plausible? How weak. Put about and plausible - what damning evidence.
Bring some solid evidence and let's have a hanging. After all I am a
conservative, I like hangings.

Unless you were in the CIA or the Saudi secret police at the time I
doubt you'll ever get certainty on this one.
--
Kevin Lowe,
Tasmania.
.

User: "SmokeScreen"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 13 Aug 2005 07:32:25 AM
hcannon wrote:

"> > Tch - false charge read the 9-11 Commission Report.

It doesn't actually explain how the FBI figured out in 48 hours that
none of the bolting Saudis knew anything worth knowing, none of them
knew anybody worth knowing about, none of them knew anything about the
shorting of airline stocks, none of them would look good naked on top of
a human pyramid etc.



" Second we found no evidence of political intervention. We found no
evidence that anyone at the White House above the level of Richard Clark
participated in a decision on the departure of Saudi nationals." P 329, "
The 9-11 Commission Report." WTF do you want explained? It was a BI -
PARTISAN COMMISSION.

Meaningless in light of my previous comments that both parties and
the last two administrations dropped the ball on terror.
The 9/11 commission report was a self-serving attempt to
cover things up and give the appearance of propriety.

It's also been put about widely that the subsequent string of incredibly
suspicious deaths amongst the Saudi ruling class was a housecleaning of
the 9-11 conspirators and at least one of those who "fell down a lift
shaft and landed on six bullets" was one of the 9-13 departures. Google
for Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz.



It was widely PUT ABOUT that the Mafia, the CIA, Castro, and the KGB and
other sundry groups assinated Kennedy. Read the "The Kingfish" you will be
convinced the Mafia did it.
IT WAS LEE HARVEY OSWALD. The WARREN COMMISSION SAID SO. I can string
together any sequence of events and make them look sinister. Put that about.

So there have never been ANY conspiracies? Caesar, Mary QoS, Lincoln?
How about all the Wall Street conspiracies to defraud investors?
Means, motive and opportunity, those are what you look at
and if those 3 align, and make sense, then you look for hard evidence.

It is at the very least plausible that a bunch of people involved with
9-11 were waved out of the USA on 9-13 because of the Bush/Saudi
political relationship, on the understanding that they would be
assassinated later if they were bad for business.



Plausible? How weak. Put about and plausible - what damning evidence.
Bring some solid evidence and let's have a hanging. After all I am a
conservative, I like hangings.

See above for the means, motive and opportunity model.
I can see you have never been involved in any form of investigation.
.
User: "hcannon"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 13 Aug 2005 12:18:35 PM


"> > Tch - false charge read the 9-11 Commission Report.

It doesn't actually explain how the FBI figured out in 48 hours that
none of the bolting Saudis knew anything worth knowing, none of them
knew anybody worth knowing about, none of them knew anything about the
shorting of airline stocks, none of them would look good naked on top of
a human pyramid etc.



" Second we found no evidence of political intervention. We found no
evidence that anyone at the White House above the level of Richard Clark
participated in a decision on the departure of Saudi nationals." P 329,

"

The 9-11 Commission Report." WTF do you want explained? It was a BI -
PARTISAN COMMISSION.


Meaningless in light of my previous comments that both parties and
the last two administrations dropped the ball on terror.
The 9/11 commission report was a self-serving attempt to
cover things up and give the appearance of propriety.

Ah yes the man that knows all and sees all. Your previous comments were
based on your cynical views and nothing else.

It's also been put about widely that the subsequent string of incredibly
suspicious deaths amongst the Saudi ruling class was a housecleaning of
the 9-11 conspirators and at least one of those who "fell down a lift
shaft and landed on six bullets" was one of the 9-13 departures. Google
for Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz.



It was widely PUT ABOUT that the Mafia, the CIA, Castro, and the KGB and
other sundry groups assinated Kennedy. Read the "The Kingfish" you will

be

convinced the Mafia did it.
IT WAS LEE HARVEY OSWALD. The WARREN COMMISSION SAID SO. I can string
together any sequence of events and make them look sinister. Put that

about.


So there have never been ANY conspiracies? Caesar, Mary QoS, Lincoln?
How about all the Wall Street conspiracies to defraud investors?
Means, motive and opportunity, those are what you look at
and if those 3 align, and make sense, then you look for hard evidence.

Wow a conspiracy under every bed! Let me see because there have been
conspiracys then it follows that the 9-11 Commission report must be a
conspiracy; and, of course, because you believe it to be so.
The Mafia had means, motive and opportunity to kill Pres. Kennedy. Waste
your time looking.
It is at the very least plausible that a bunch of people involved with

9-11 were waved out of the USA on 9-13 because of the Bush/Saudi
political relationship, on the understanding that they would be
assassinated later if they were bad for business.



Plausible? How weak. Put about and plausible - what damning evidence.
Bring some solid evidence and let's have a hanging. After all I am a
conservative, I like hangings.


See above for the means, motive and opportunity model.
I can see you have never been involved in any form of investigation.

Really? The perfect model - solve every crime- balderdash. Everyone that
fits your perfect model is guilty. Rot.
Did you look into your conspiracy crystal ball to determine that? The
perfect model that led you to make that conclusion about me - keep trucking
your model has put you in the top of the wrong tree already.
.
User: "SmokeScreen"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 13 Aug 2005 01:55:02 PM
hcannon wrote:

"> > Tch - false charge read the 9-11 Commission Report.


It doesn't actually explain how the FBI figured out in 48 hours that
none of the bolting Saudis knew anything worth knowing, none of them
knew anybody worth knowing about, none of them knew anything about the
shorting of airline stocks, none of them would look good naked on top of
a human pyramid etc.



" Second we found no evidence of political intervention. We found no
evidence that anyone at the White House above the level of Richard Clark
participated in a decision on the departure of Saudi nationals." P 329,


"

The 9-11 Commission Report." WTF do you want explained? It was a BI -
PARTISAN COMMISSION.


Meaningless in light of my previous comments that both parties and
the last two administrations dropped the ball on terror.
The 9/11 commission report was a self-serving attempt to
cover things up and give the appearance of propriety.



Ah yes the man that knows all and sees all. Your previous comments were
based on your cynical views and nothing else.

My point of view only. Accept or reject at your leisure.


It's also been put about widely that the subsequent string of incredibly
suspicious deaths amongst the Saudi ruling class was a housecleaning of
the 9-11 conspirators and at least one of those who "fell down a lift
shaft and landed on six bullets" was one of the 9-13 departures. Google
for Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz.



It was widely PUT ABOUT that the Mafia, the CIA, Castro, and the KGB and
other sundry groups assinated Kennedy. Read the "The Kingfish" you will


be

convinced the Mafia did it.
IT WAS LEE HARVEY OSWALD. The WARREN COMMISSION SAID SO. I can string
together any sequence of events and make them look sinister. Put that


about.

So there have never been ANY conspiracies? Caesar, Mary QoS, Lincoln?
How about all the Wall Street conspiracies to defraud investors?
Means, motive and opportunity, those are what you look at
and if those 3 align, and make sense, then you look for hard evidence.



Wow a conspiracy under every bed!

Stay calm, focus: Means, motive and opportunity. If those three
are present and make sense you start looking for the hard evidence to
support the theory that they underpin. That's the way it works when you
don't have any clear suspect or evidence to start with.
Let me see because there have been

conspiracys then it follows that the 9-11 Commission report must be a
conspiracy; and, of course, because you believe it to be so.
The Mafia had means, motive and opportunity to kill Pres. Kennedy. Waste
your time looking.

It is at the very least plausible that a bunch of people involved with

9-11 were waved out of the USA on 9-13 because of the Bush/Saudi
political relationship, on the understanding that they would be
assassinated later if they were bad for business.



Plausible? How weak. Put about and plausible - what damning evidence.
Bring some solid evidence and let's have a hanging. After all I am a
conservative, I like hangings.


See above for the means, motive and opportunity model.
I can see you have never been involved in any form of investigation.



Really? The perfect model - solve every crime- balderdash. Everyone that
fits your perfect model is guilty. Rot.

You're really not reading what I am writing. Means, motive
and opportunity underpin the formulation of a theory. After
that, you need to find the hard evidence to support that theory
and make a case. That's the way it works. No witch hunt, merely
an empirical method of investigation. In the absense of any supporting
evidence, you move onto the next theory and try to support that.
Doesn't mean that evidence collection doesn't happen in parallel
to theory formulation though.

Did you look into your conspiracy crystal ball to determine that? The
perfect model that led you to make that conclusion about me - keep trucking
your model has put you in the top of the wrong tree already.

Why on earth would you assume I used my model to assess you?
I have no clue who you are or what you do.
.
User: "hcannon"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 13 Aug 2005 04:37:50 PM
"> > Ah yes the man that knows all and sees all. Your previous comments were

based on your cynical views and nothing else.


My point of view only. Accept or reject at your leisure.

Uh oh an admission of truth.

It's also been put about widely that the subsequent string of

incredibly

suspicious deaths amongst the Saudi ruling class was a housecleaning

of

the 9-11 conspirators and at least one of those who "fell down a lift
shaft and landed on six bullets" was one of the 9-13 departures.

Google

for Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz.



It was widely PUT ABOUT that the Mafia, the CIA, Castro, and the KGB

and

other sundry groups assinated Kennedy. Read the "The Kingfish" you will


be

convinced the Mafia did it.
IT WAS LEE HARVEY OSWALD. The WARREN COMMISSION SAID SO. I can string
together any sequence of events and make them look sinister. Put that


about.

So there have never been ANY conspiracies? Caesar, Mary QoS, Lincoln?
How about all the Wall Street conspiracies to defraud investors?
Means, motive and opportunity, those are what you look at
and if those 3 align, and make sense, then you look for hard evidence.



.

Let me see because there have been

conspiracys then it follows that the 9-11 Commission report must be a
conspiracy; and, of course, because you believe it to be so.
The Mafia had means, motive and opportunity to kill Pres. Kennedy. Waste
your time looking.

It is at the very least plausible that a bunch of people involved with

9-11 were waved out of the USA on 9-13 because of the Bush/Saudi
political relationship, on the understanding that they would be
assassinated later if they were bad for business.



Plausible? How weak. Put about and plausible - what damning evidence.
Bring some solid evidence and let's have a hanging. After all I am a
conservative, I like hangings.


See above for the means, motive and opportunity model.
I can see you have never been involved in any form of investigation.



Really? The perfect model - solve every crime- balderdash. Everyone that
fits your perfect model is guilty. Rot.


You're really not reading what I am writing. Means, motive
and opportunity underpin the formulation of a theory.

Yes I am. I am not buying it.
After

that, you need to find the hard evidence to support that theory
and make a case. That's the way it works. No witch hunt, merely
an empirical method of investigation. In the absense of any supporting
evidence, you move onto the next theory and try to support that.
Doesn't mean that evidence collection doesn't happen in parallel
to theory formulation though.

After you look at every body in your theory you will be an old man.

Did you look into your conspiracy crystal ball to determine that? The
perfect model that led you to make that conclusion about me - keep

trucking

your model has put you in the top of the wrong tree already.


Why on earth would you assume I used my model to assess you?
I have no clue who you are or what you do.

You concluded that I had never conducted an investigation. Have you ever
been in court?
.
User: "SmokeScreen"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 13 Aug 2005 05:08:45 PM
hcannon wrote:

"> > Ah yes the man that knows all and sees all. Your previous comments were

based on your cynical views and nothing else.


My point of view only. Accept or reject at your leisure.


Uh oh an admission of truth.

What? My view doesn't count?



It's also been put about widely that the subsequent string of


incredibly

suspicious deaths amongst the Saudi ruling class was a housecleaning


of

the 9-11 conspirators and at least one of those who "fell down a lift
shaft and landed on six bullets" was one of the 9-13 departures.


Google

for Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz.



It was widely PUT ABOUT that the Mafia, the CIA, Castro, and the KGB


and

other sundry groups assinated Kennedy. Read the "The Kingfish" you will


be


convinced the Mafia did it.
IT WAS LEE HARVEY OSWALD. The WARREN COMMISSION SAID SO. I can string
together any sequence of events and make them look sinister. Put that


about.


So there have never been ANY conspiracies? Caesar, Mary QoS, Lincoln?
How about all the Wall Street conspiracies to defraud investors?
Means, motive and opportunity, those are what you look at
and if those 3 align, and make sense, then you look for hard evidence.



.

Let me see because there have been

conspiracys then it follows that the 9-11 Commission report must be a
conspiracy; and, of course, because you believe it to be so.
The Mafia had means, motive and opportunity to kill Pres. Kennedy. Waste
your time looking.

It is at the very least plausible that a bunch of people involved with


9-11 were waved out of the USA on 9-13 because of the Bush/Saudi
political relationship, on the understanding that they would be
assassinated later if they were bad for business.



Plausible? How weak. Put about and plausible - what damning evidence.
Bring some solid evidence and let's have a hanging. After all I am a
conservative, I like hangings.


See above for the means, motive and opportunity model.
I can see you have never been involved in any form of investigation.



Really? The perfect model - solve every crime- balderdash. Everyone that
fits your perfect model is guilty. Rot.


You're really not reading what I am writing. Means, motive
and opportunity underpin the formulation of a theory.



Yes I am. I am not buying it.

It's what works, I assure you.


After

that, you need to find the hard evidence to support that theory
and make a case. That's the way it works. No witch hunt, merely
an empirical method of investigation. In the absense of any supporting
evidence, you move onto the next theory and try to support that.
Doesn't mean that evidence collection doesn't happen in parallel
to theory formulation though.



After you look at every body in your theory you will be an old man.

No, you home in on drivers for the motive first and then look
at the rest. Evidence collection continues unabated during that
process.


Did you look into your conspiracy crystal ball to determine that? The
perfect model that led you to make that conclusion about me - keep


trucking

your model has put you in the top of the wrong tree already.


Why on earth would you assume I used my model to assess you?
I have no clue who you are or what you do.



You concluded that I had never conducted an investigation. Have you ever
been in court?

Nolo contendere :)
.







User: "SmokeScreen"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 12 Aug 2005 05:24:41 PM
hcannon wrote:


Anything like the pardoning of a plane load of bin-Ladens leaving


America

for their homeland of Saudi Arabia A coupla days after 9-11.


LOL! I think when money has corrupted the entire political process
the politicians on either side feel nothing for their electorates
any more.



Tch - false charge read the 9-11 Commission Report.

You mean the report that LIED about who knew what and when??
ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you read the entire section on the FBI translator???
Bwhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
.
User: "hcannon"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 12 Aug 2005 06:18:24 PM
"SmokeScreen" <SMK@hotchkissbrandt.org> wrote in message
news:IdWdneOrMpKfuWDfRVn-pQ@comcast.com...



hcannon wrote:


Anything like the pardoning of a plane load of bin-Ladens leaving


America

for their homeland of Saudi Arabia A coupla days after 9-11.


LOL! I think when money has corrupted the entire political process
the politicians on either side feel nothing for their electorates
any more.



Tch - false charge read the 9-11 Commission Report.


You mean the report that LIED about who knew what and when??
ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you read the entire section on the FBI translator???
Bwhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gee the Bi - Partisan committee that put the report together lied. Tell
me - for you- it is only this US govenrment that lied or is all US
governments that lie?
Either way you will never be able to distinguish the truth because of your
immense prejudice.
.
User: "SmokeScreen"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 12 Aug 2005 09:54:47 PM
hcannon wrote:

"SmokeScreen" <SMK@hotchkissbrandt.org> wrote in message
news:IdWdneOrMpKfuWDfRVn-pQ@comcast.com...


hcannon wrote:

Anything like the pardoning of a plane load of bin-Ladens leaving


America


for their homeland of Saudi Arabia A coupla days after 9-11.


LOL! I think when money has corrupted the entire political process
the politicians on either side feel nothing for their electorates
any more.



Tch - false charge read the 9-11 Commission Report.


You mean the report that LIED about who knew what and when??
ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you read the entire section on the FBI translator???
Bwhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Gee the Bi - Partisan committee that put the report together lied. Tell
me - for you- it is only this US govenrment that lied or is all US
governments that lie?
Either way you will never be able to distinguish the truth because of your
immense prejudice.

Prejudice against what or whom? Get the money out of politics
and regain control of the pols. ZERO TOLERANCE for corruption
in government.
.
User: "hcannon"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 13 Aug 2005 05:45:21 AM

Prejudice against what or whom? Get the money out of politics
and regain control of the pols. ZERO TOLERANCE for corruption
in government.

Different subject. You will never get the money out of politics. So leave
fantasy Island and join the real world. Bad judgment is often mistaken for
corruption in politics. I see you have never been on the inside.
So what makes you think that a Bi - Partisan Committee that put together the
9-11 report lied.
Did you read page 329?
.
User: "SmokeScreen"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 13 Aug 2005 07:25:45 AM
hcannon wrote:

Prejudice against what or whom? Get the money out of politics
and regain control of the pols. ZERO TOLERANCE for corruption
in government.



Different subject. You will never get the money out of politics. So leave
fantasy Island and join the real world. Bad judgment is often mistaken for
corruption in politics. I see you have never been on the inside.

Stop trolling. You WILL get the covert money out of politics
if you make the politicians accountable and have a zero tolerance policy
for corruption that kicks off with a minimum 10 year sentence.

So what makes you think that a Bi - Partisan Committee that put together the
9-11 report lied.
Did you read page 329?

On the Saudis leaving? Yes. Don't think I can believe any of it
any more since it's all so self-serving. Self-serving means that both
the Clinton and Bush administrations and DEM and GOP have screwed up
down the years, and both sides have too much to hide from the American
people. My copy of the 9/11 commission report has special pride of place
next to Veil - Bob Woodward's pompous CIA secret wars which I have
cunningly placed next to Betrayal - the Aldrich Ames Story :)
The CIA and Feds became fat and happy after the cold war
was over and started believing all the Hollywood movies about how
omniscient and all-powerful they are.
Did you read all the stories on what Sibel Edmonds(the FBI translator)
had to say and what her story was? Her little article on the 9/11
commission and her testimony to them is here:
http://antiwar.com/edmonds/?articleid=3151
Read Scheuers Imperial Hubris too??
.
User: "hcannon"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 13 Aug 2005 12:01:03 PM
....



hcannon wrote:

Prejudice against what or whom? Get the money out of politics
and regain control of the pols. ZERO TOLERANCE for corruption
in government.



Different subject. You will never get the money out of politics. So

leave

fantasy Island and join the real world. Bad judgment is often mistaken

for

corruption in politics. I see you have never been on the inside.


Stop trolling. You WILL get the covert money out of politics
if you make the politicians accountable and have a zero tolerance policy
for corruption that kicks off with a minimum 10 year sentence.

Bah, I do not intend to hold my breath.

So what makes you think that a Bi - Partisan Committee that put together

the

9-11 report lied.
Did you read page 329?


On the Saudis leaving? Yes. Don't think I can believe any of it
any more since it's all so self-serving. Self-serving means that both
the Clinton and Bush administrations and DEM and GOP have screwed up
down the years, and both sides have too much to hide from the American
people.

Hide what - that they cannot predict the future? I suggest you read " Blind
Spot - The Secret History of American Counter Terrorism" by Timothy Naftali.
It is a non partisan book.
My copy of the 9/11 commission report has special pride of place

next to Veil - Bob Woodward's pompous CIA secret wars which I have
cunningly placed next to Betrayal - the Aldrich Ames Story :)

Ah, I see, cynical.. Perhaps you should place it next to the book " My
Little Perfect World." by Stoned Screen.
Good thing you were not around when Kennedy got assassinated you really
would have freaked.

The CIA and Feds became fat and happy after the cold war
was over and started believing all the Hollywood movies about how
omniscient and all-powerful they are.

Did you read all the stories on what Sibel Edmonds(the FBI translator)
had to say and what her story was? Her little article on the 9/11
commission and her testimony to them is here:
http://antiwar.com/edmonds/?articleid=3151

Yea she sounds like a crank nut case. Govt abounds with people like that.
They like to blow their own horn. I used to have to chase to them and their
so called facts down. Note she started working after 9-11. Hate to tell you
but the world in "Sixty Seconds" never impressed me much. I remember when Mo
Better Safer breathlessly told us the Abrahams Tank would not work and
neither would the Bradley. And here are two Department of the army whistle
blowing civilians to tell you why.
Guess what - they been working fine ever since. Love that big tank with FU
on the barrel.

Read Scheuers Imperial Hubris too??

That might be worth a try. But, if it turns out just another to be just
another anti Bush author grinding an axe it is a waste of time. I did not
bother to read the anti - Clinton authors either; and I did not like him.
You might want to see what Bernard Goldberg has to say.
.
User: "SmokeScreen"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 13 Aug 2005 01:45:58 PM
hcannon wrote:

...


hcannon wrote:

Prejudice against what or whom? Get the money out of politics
and regain control of the pols. ZERO TOLERANCE for corruption
in government.



Different subject. You will never get the money out of politics. So


leave

fantasy Island and join the real world. Bad judgment is often mistaken


for

corruption in politics. I see you have never been on the inside.


Stop trolling. You WILL get the covert money out of politics
if you make the politicians accountable and have a zero tolerance policy
for corruption that kicks off with a minimum 10 year sentence.



Bah, I do not intend to hold my breath.


So what makes you think that a Bi - Partisan Committee that put together


the

9-11 report lied.
Did you read page 329?


On the Saudis leaving? Yes. Don't think I can believe any of it
any more since it's all so self-serving. Self-serving means that both
the Clinton and Bush administrations and DEM and GOP have screwed up
down the years, and both sides have too much to hide from the American
people.



Hide what - that they cannot predict the future? I suggest you read " Blind
Spot - The Secret History of American Counter Terrorism" by Timothy Naftali.
It is a non partisan book.

And Scheuer's isn't??


My copy of the 9/11 commission report has special pride of place

next to Veil - Bob Woodward's pompous CIA secret wars which I have
cunningly placed next to Betrayal - the Aldrich Ames Story :)



Ah, I see, cynical..

With good cause, chum, with good cause.
Perhaps you should place it next to the book " My

Little Perfect World." by Stoned Screen.
Good thing you were not around when Kennedy got assassinated you really
would have freaked.

Trying to figure out my age??
"I shouted out,
Who killed the kennedys?
When after all
It was you and me
Let me please introduce myself
I’m a man of wealth and taste.."


The CIA and Feds became fat and happy after the cold war
was over and started believing all the Hollywood movies about how
omniscient and all-powerful they are.

Did you read all the stories on what Sibel Edmonds(the FBI translator)
had to say and what her story was? Her little article on the 9/11
commission and her testimony to them is here:
http://antiwar.com/edmonds/?articleid=3151



Yea she sounds like a crank nut case. Govt abounds with people like that.
They like to blow their own horn. I used to have to chase to them and their
so called facts down. Note she started working after 9-11.

Are you suggesting that the 9/11 commission wasted their time
and resources giving closed hearings to a nut case?
I'm not in a position to judge the actions of someone
who has been severely constrained by secrecy requirements.
Her testimony was behind closed doors - how can you judge her based on
that?
Hate to tell you

but the world in "Sixty Seconds" never impressed me much. I remember when Mo
Better Safer breathlessly told us the Abrahams Tank would not work and
neither would the Bradley.

Neither of them are invulnerable. Any AFV only has a limited lifespan.
As Heinz Guderian...
And here are two Department of the army whistle

blowing civilians to tell you why.
Guess what - they been working fine ever since. Love that big tank with FU
on the barrel.


Read Scheuers Imperial Hubris too??



That might be worth a try. But, if it turns out just another to be just
another anti Bush author grinding an axe it is a waste of time. I did not
bother to read the anti - Clinton authors either; and I did not like him.
You might want to see what Bernard Goldberg has to say.

Read Scheuer - actually Imperial Hubris was authored by him as
'Anonymous' before he left the CIA - it's fascinating.
.
User: "hcannon"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 13 Aug 2005 04:32:15 PM


So what makes you think that a Bi - Partisan Committee that put

together


the

9-11 report lied.
Did you read page 329?


On the Saudis leaving? Yes. Don't think I can believe any of it
any more since it's all so self-serving. Self-serving means that both
the Clinton and Bush administrations and DEM and GOP have screwed up
down the years, and both sides have too much to hide from the American
people.



Hide what - that they cannot predict the future? I suggest you read "

Blind

Spot - The Secret History of American Counter Terrorism" by Timothy

Naftali.

It is a non partisan book.


And Scheuer's isn't??

I dont know. I have not had a chande to look at it. Tomorrow, I will see if
Barnes and Noble has it on the shelf.

My copy of the 9/11 commission report has special pride of place

next to Veil - Bob Woodward's pompous CIA secret wars which I have
cunningly placed next to Betrayal - the Aldrich Ames Story :)



Ah, I see, cynical..


With good cause, chum, with good cause.

Then you would love " Infiltration - How Muslim Spies and Subversives Have
Penetrated Washington" by Paul Sperry. I have it; but have not gotten around
to reading it. Heard him speak on the book though. Interesting- sounds like
your cup of tea.
So, if the 9-11 is not truthful and a mere coverup, then the portion that
says we are not at war with Islam is incorrect? And you subscribe to
Charles' view of Islam?


Perhaps you should place it next to the book " My

Little Perfect World." by Stoned Screen.
Good thing you were not around when Kennedy got assassinated you really
would have freaked.


Trying to figure out my age??
"I shouted out,
Who killed the kennedys?
When after all
It was you and me
Let me please introduce myself
I’m a man of wealth and taste.."

Balderdash.


The CIA and Feds became fat and happy after the cold war
was over and started believing all the Hollywood movies about how
omniscient and all-powerful they are.

Did you read all the stories on what Sibel Edmonds(the FBI translator)
had to say and what her story was? Her little article on the 9/11
commission and her testimony to them is here:
http://antiwar.com/edmonds/?articleid=3151



Yea she sounds like a crank nut case. Govt abounds with people like

that.

They like to blow their own horn. I used to have to chase to them and

their

so called facts down. Note she started working after 9-11.


Are you suggesting that the 9/11 commission wasted their time
and resources giving closed hearings to a nut case?

Would not be the first time.

I'm not in a position to judge the actions of someone
who has been severely constrained by secrecy requirements.
Her testimony was behind closed doors - how can you judge her based on
that?

Truly I cannot. Neither postitively or negatively.

Hate to tell you

but the world in "Sixty Seconds" never impressed me much. I remember

when Mo

Better Safer breathlessly told us the Abrahams Tank would not work and
neither would the Bradley.


Neither of them are invulnerable. Any AFV only has a limited lifespan.
As Heinz Guderian...

The charge they would break down and not work. Not that they were
invulernable.
Finish what ole Heinz father of the panzer corp said......

And here are two Department of the army whistle

blowing civilians to tell you why.
Guess what - they been working fine ever since. Love that big tank with

FU

on the barrel.


Read Scheuers Imperial Hubris too??


What he does not like my tank?

That might be worth a try. But, if it turns out just another to be just
another anti Bush author grinding an axe it is a waste of time. I did

not

bother to read the anti - Clinton authors either; and I did not like

him.

You might want to see what Bernard Goldberg has to say.


Read Scheuer - actually Imperial Hubris was authored by him as
'Anonymous' before he left the CIA - it's fascinating.

Now you have truly peaked my curiousity. I shall have to examine the book
tomorrow. I have several on my list. " Clash Of Civilizations" and "Good
Muslim - Bad Muslim" also on the list. Although, after listening to the
authour, I am not too impressed with the arguments in the latter.
.
User: "SmokeScreen"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 13 Aug 2005 05:06:00 PM
hcannon wrote:

So what makes you think that a Bi - Partisan Committee that put


together

the


9-11 report lied.
Did you read page 329?


On the Saudis leaving? Yes. Don't think I can believe any of it
any more since it's all so self-serving. Self-serving means that both
the Clinton and Bush administrations and DEM and GOP have screwed up
down the years, and both sides have too much to hide from the American
people.



Hide what - that they cannot predict the future? I suggest you read "


Blind

Spot - The Secret History of American Counter Terrorism" by Timothy


Naftali.

It is a non partisan book.


And Scheuer's isn't??



I dont know. I have not had a chande to look at it. Tomorrow, I will see if
Barnes and Noble has it on the shelf.


My copy of the 9/11 commission report has special pride of place


next to Veil - Bob Woodward's pompous CIA secret wars which I have
cunningly placed next to Betrayal - the Aldrich Ames Story :)



Ah, I see, cynical..


With good cause, chum, with good cause.



Then you would love " Infiltration - How Muslim Spies and Subversives Have
Penetrated Washington" by Paul Sperry. I have it; but have not gotten around
to reading it. Heard him speak on the book though. Interesting- sounds like
your cup of tea.

I will cetainly look for it.

So, if the 9-11 is not truthful and a mere coverup, then the portion that
says we are not at war with Islam is incorrect? And you subscribe to
Charles' view of Islam?

I have to believe that we are not at war with Islam, but only with
a subset of extremists that have interepreted the Koran in an
aggressive and radical way. Could happen in any religion and in Europe
the Anabaptists were put down like mad dogs for the same reason.
No-one was safe with them around.


Perhaps you should place it next to the book " My

Little Perfect World." by Stoned Screen.
Good thing you were not around when Kennedy got assassinated you really
would have freaked.


Trying to figure out my age??
"I shouted out,
Who killed the kennedys?
When after all
It was you and me
Let me please introduce myself
I’m a man of wealth and taste.."


Balderdash.

Rolling Stones lyrics from Sympathy for the Devil. :)
Not to be taken seriously. No, I have been behind the fence
at Grassy Knoll and thereabouts. If you see the layout and
setup it beggars belief that one person could have thought
all of that up and pulled it off with a single bolt-action
rifle. Here's another book for you: 'I heard you paint houses.'


The CIA and Feds became fat and happy after the cold war
was over and started believing all the Hollywood movies about how
omniscient and all-powerful they are.

Did you read all the stories on what Sibel Edmonds(the FBI translator)
had to say and what her story was? Her little article on the 9/11
commission and her testimony to them is here:
http://antiwar.com/edmonds/?articleid=3151



Yea she sounds like a crank nut case. Govt abounds with people like


that.

They like to blow their own horn. I used to have to chase to them and


their

so called facts down. Note she started working after 9-11.


Are you suggesting that the 9/11 commission wasted their time
and resources giving closed hearings to a nut case?



Would not be the first time.

Can't argue with that.


I'm not in a position to judge the actions of someone
who has been severely constrained by secrecy requirements.
Her testimony was behind closed doors - how can you judge her based on
that?



Truly I cannot. Neither postitively or negatively.

So the Jury is out Sibel until later.

Hate to tell you

but the world in "Sixty Seconds" never impressed me much. I remember


when Mo

Better Safer breathlessly told us the Abrahams Tank would not work and
neither would the Bradley.


Neither of them are invulnerable. Any AFV only has a limited lifespan.
As Heinz Guderian...



The charge they would break down and not work. Not that they were
invulernable.
Finish what ole Heinz father of the panzer corp said......


If the tanks succeed, victory is sure to follow?

And here are two Department of the army whistle

blowing civilians to tell you why.
Guess what - they been working fine ever since. Love that big tank with


FU

on the barrel.



Read Scheuers Imperial Hubris too??


What he does not like my tank?


That might be worth a try. But, if it turns out just another to be just
another anti Bush author grinding an axe it is a waste of time. I did


not

bother to read the anti - Clinton authors either; and I did not like


him.

You might want to see what Bernard Goldberg has to say.


Read Scheuer - actually Imperial Hubris was authored by him as
'Anonymous' before he left the CIA - it's fascinating.



Now you have truly peaked my curiousity. I shall have to examine the book
tomorrow. I have several on my list. " Clash Of Civilizations" and "Good
Muslim - Bad Muslim" also on the list. Although, after listening to the
authour, I am not too impressed with the arguments in the latter.

Yeah, I have an interesting item that is the 1998 November/December
edition of Foreign Affairs - it has an article by Bernard
Lewis entitled 'License to Kill' - explaining Bin Ladens reason
for Jihad - US troops in Arabia and the concept of defending or
defiling. Guess many Christians would feel the same if an
Arab army was in Jerusalem. No, wait, they've been there before
and allowed Christian pilgrims in. Can't remember if they charged
and entrance fee...
.
User: "hcannon"

Title: Re: GOP, The Party of Treason and Corruption (Scum Lobbyist Edition) 13 Aug 2005 06:27:03 PM


Then you would love " Infiltration - How Muslim Spies and Subversives

Have

Penetrated Washington" by Paul Sperry. I have it; but have not gotten

around

to reading it. Heard him speak on the book though. Interesting- sounds

like

your cup of tea.


I will cetainly look for it.

So, if the 9-11 is not truthful and a mere coverup, then the portion

that

says we are not at war with Islam is incorrect? And you subscribe to
Charles' view of Islam?


I have to believe that we are not at war with Islam, but only with
a subset of extremists that have interepreted the Koran in an
aggressive and radical way.

My, my that is what the 9-11 Report said. I thought they were just being
politically correct. I guess that makes me more cynical than you are. I sort
of believe what the guy said in "Clash of Civilaztions" that Isalm has
bloody borders.
Could happen in any religion and in Europe
I dont think so. That's a real political correct stretch. Except for the
Balkans - there you are correct.

the Anabaptists were put down like mad dogs for the same reason.
No-one was safe with them around.

And that was when?

Perhaps you should place it next to the book " My

Little Perfect World." by Stoned Screen.
Good thing you were not around when Kennedy got assassinated you really
would have freaked.


Trying to figure out my age??
"I shouted out,
Who killed the kennedys?
When after all
It was you and me
Let me please introduce myself
I’m a man of wealth and taste.."


Balderdash.


Rolling Stones lyrics from Sympathy for the Devil. :)
Not to be taken seriously. No, I have been behind the fence
at Grassy Knoll and thereabouts. If you see the layout and
setup it beggars belief that one person could have thought
all of that up and pulled it off with a single bolt-action
rifle. Here's another book for you: 'I heard you paint houses.'

Have you ever shot a service rifle match with a bolt action? What Oswald did
is really not that hard.


The CIA and Feds became fat and happy after the cold war
was over and started believing all the Hollywood movies about how
omniscient and all-powerful they are.

Did you read all the stories on what Sibel Edmonds(the FBI translator)
had to say and what her story was? Her little article on the 9/11
commission and her testimony to them is here:
http://antiwar.com/edmonds/?articleid=3151



Yea she sounds like a crank nut case. Govt abounds with people like


that.

They like to blow their own horn. I used to have to chase to them and


their

so called facts down. Note she started working after 9-11.


Are you suggesting that the 9/11 commission wasted their time
and resources giving closed hearings to a nut case?



Would not be the first time.

Can't argue with that.


I'm not in a position to judge the actions of someone
who has been severely constrained by secrecy requirements.
Her testimony was behind closed doors - how can you judge her based on
that?



Truly I cannot. Neither postitively or negatively.


So the Jury is out Sibel until later.

Hate to tell you

but the world in "Sixty Seconds" never impressed me much. I remember


when Mo

Better Safer breathlessly told us the Abrahams Tank would not work and
neither would the Bradley.


Neither of them are invulnerable. Any AFV only has a limited lifespan.
As Heinz Guderian...



The charge they would break down and not work. Not that they were
invulernable.
Finish what ole Heinz father of the panzer corp said......


If the tanks succeed, victory is sure to follow?

He must have forgotten about the airplanes.


And here are two Department of the army whistle

blowing civilians to tell you why.
Guess what - they been working fine ever since. Love that big tank with


FU

on the barrel.



Read Scheuers Imperial Hubris too??


What he does not like my tank?


That might be worth a try. But, if it turns out just another to be just
another anti Bush author grinding an axe it is a waste of time. I did


not

bother to read the anti - Clinton authors either; and I did not like


him.

You might want to see what Bernard Goldberg has to say.


Read Scheuer - actually Imperial Hubris was authored by him as
'Anonymous' before he left the CIA - it's fascinating.



Now you have truly peaked my curiousity. I shall have to examine the

book

tomorrow. I have several on my list. " Clash Of Civilizations" and "Good
Muslim - Bad Muslim" also on the list. Although, after listening to the
authour, I am not too impressed with the arguments in the latter.


Yeah, I have an interesting item that is the 1998 November/December
edition of Foreign Affairs - it has an article by Bernard
Lewis entitled 'License to Kill' - explaining Bin Ladens reason
for Jihad - US troops in Arabia and the concept of defending or
defiling.

Koran - Mohammed said no infdel should be allowed on the Pennisula ( meaning
Saudi Arabia).
Bin Laden took that to heart. He was also pissed because the Saudis said no
thanks to his offer of having his Jidhadist defend Saudi Arabi. Now there I
would have to bet on Saddam.
Bernard Lewis is one of my favorite authors. Did you read his recent article
( isssue before last) in Foreign Affairs on Freedom in the Middle East?
The bit about bin Laden is in every book on Al Qaeda that has been written
and I have read just about every one of them.
Guess many Christians would feel the same if an

Arab army was in Jerusalem. No, wait, they've been there before
and allowed Christian pilgrims in. Can't remember if they charged
and entrance fee...

600 years ago the Chistians were there during the crusades. Doncha think it
is time to move on?
And a Moslem army was there most of the time - it was call the Ottoman
Empire and it lasted for 900 years. It fell after World War I. Picked the
wrong side. But I did like Ataturk - especially for kicking the Imans out of
govt. They really held back the empire.( " Fall of the Ottoman Empire." good
reading)
Do you know what Bernard Lewis said about the crusades? He said nobody in
the Arab world really gave much a damn about them. They traded with the
cusaders. It was not until the crusaders started meddling with the Haj that
everybody got pissed. ( I heard him speak on this).You see the Arab Empires
(Umyadd and Abassid) had pretty much expired at the time of the crusades and
the Arab cities were pretty much city states like the Greeks. Otherwise the
crusades would have come to an arubt halt. The Ottoman empire was just
aborning. You might want to try the book " The Crusades Through Arab Eyes."
If you want I will dig through my library and find the author. Then "
Barbarians, Maruders and Infidels" by Santosuo is not bad either. But a
really really interesting book is " White Gold - the Extraordinary Story of
Thomas Pellow and Islam's One Million White Slaves." Then there is Karim's
favorite " Arabian Sands" a good read too.
Then since you have a penchant for intrigue " Lightning Out of Lebanon -
Hezbollah in the US" is interesting and recent.
Got to go to a banquet. Nice chatting with you.
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