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User:	"Yang, AthD h.c"
Date:	01 Sep 2004 02:02:10 AM
Object:	GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"

Some NY GOopers have christened the GOP as "God's Official Party".
Coincidentally, Hezbollah means "Party of God". Then again, Karl Rove
alsways talks about his "base", and wouldn't you know it, Al Qaeda
literally menas "the base" in Arabic.
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Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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User: "Mitchell Holman"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	01 Sep 2004 06:21:26 AM

"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
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Bush and Bin Laden both claim to be acting
under orders from the same God. Maybe would
revive the old trial by combat and let these
two duke it out behind the gym.
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User: "Thean"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	01 Sep 2004 09:07:14 AM

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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
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Bush and Bin Laden both claim to be acting
under orders from the same God.

cite?
(in regards to bush)
whit
Maybe would

revive the old trial by combat and let these
two duke it out behind the gym.

User: "Mitchell Holman"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	01 Sep 2004 09:20:28 AM

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Bush and Bin Laden both claim to be acting
under orders from the same God.

cite?

(in regards to bush)

"God told me to strike at al Qaida and
I struck them, and then He instructed me to
strike at Saddam, which I did"
June 20, 2003
"I believe God has called us into action."
George Bush, 11/07/03

"I feel like God wants me to run for President. I
can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to
need me. Something is going to happen... I know it
won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to
do it."
George Bush to James Robison, 2000
"I trust God speaks through me."
George Bush, July 9, 2004
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User: "Thean"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	01 Sep 2004 10:43:59 AM

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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
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Bush and Bin Laden both claim to be acting
under orders from the same God.

cite?

(in regards to bush)

"God told me to strike at al Qaida and
I struck them, and then He instructed me to
strike at Saddam, which I did"
June 20, 2003

i have heard that quote and it is unsubstantiated. iirc, it was made (and
translated) during a non-observed (no witnesses) conversation that GWB had
with a foreign dignitary.
iow, it's hearsay, not substantiated, AND subject to translation error

"I believe God has called us into action."
George Bush, 11/07/03

"I feel like God wants me to run for President. I
can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to
need me. Something is going to happen... I know it
won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to
do it."
George Bush to James Robison, 2000

"I trust God speaks through me."
George Bush, July 9, 2004

none of these say that he is acting under ORDERS FROM GOD, except for the
first (which is unsubstantiated hearsay)
otoh, it is clear, and i would not argue, that bush believes he is inspired
by god, and doing (in general) the right thing, in god's eyes
which puts him in company of MLK, Gandhi, etc.
fine by me
whit

User: "natch"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	03 Sep 2004 10:16:09 AM

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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
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Bush and Bin Laden both claim to be acting
under orders from the same God.

cite?

(in regards to bush)

"God told me to strike at al Qaida and
I struck them, and then He instructed me to
strike at Saddam, which I did"
June 20, 2003

i have heard that quote and it is unsubstantiated. iirc, it was made (and
translated) during a non-observed (no witnesses) conversation that GWB had
with a foreign dignitary.

iow, it's hearsay, not substantiated, AND subject to translation error

none of these say that he is acting under ORDERS FROM GOD, except for the
first (which is unsubstantiated hearsay)

otoh, it is clear, and i would not argue, that bush believes he is inspired
by god, and doing (in general) the right thing, in god's eyes

which puts him in company of MLK, Gandhi, etc.

fine by me

whit

I think you need to go back and read it again
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User: "maff"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	02 Sep 2004 04:38:40 AM

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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
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Bush and Bin Laden both claim to be acting
under orders from the same God.

cite?

(in regards to bush)

"God told me to strike at al Qaida and
I struck them, and then He instructed me to
strike at Saddam, which I did"
June 20, 2003

i have heard that quote and it is unsubstantiated. iirc, it was made (and
translated) during a non-observed (no witnesses) conversation that GWB had
with a foreign dignitary.

iow, it's hearsay, not substantiated, AND subject to translation error

none of these say that he is acting under ORDERS FROM GOD, except for the
first (which is unsubstantiated hearsay)

otoh, it is clear, and i would not argue, that bush believes he is inspired
by god, and doing (in general) the right thing, in god's eyes

which puts him in company of MLK, Gandhi, etc.

But MLK, Gandhi, et al were not bombing other countries.

fine by me

whit

User: "Hydroxy"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	02 Sep 2004 08:54:06 AM

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Some NY GOopers have christened the GOP as "God's Official

Party".

Coincidentally, Hezbollah means "Party of God". Then again, Karl

Rove

alsways talks about his "base", and wouldn't you know it, Al

Qaeda

literally menas "the base" in Arabic.

Bush and Bin Laden both claim to be acting
under orders from the same God.

cite?

(in regards to bush)

"God told me to strike at al Qaida and
I struck them, and then He instructed me to
strike at Saddam, which I did"
June 20, 2003

i have heard that quote and it is unsubstantiated. iirc, it was made

(and

translated) during a non-observed (no witnesses) conversation that GWB

had

with a foreign dignitary.

iow, it's hearsay, not substantiated, AND subject to translation error

none of these say that he is acting under ORDERS FROM GOD, except for

the

first (which is unsubstantiated hearsay)

otoh, it is clear, and i would not argue, that bush believes he is

inspired

by god, and doing (in general) the right thing, in god's eyes

which puts him in company of MLK, Gandhi, etc.

But MLK, Gandhi, et al were not bombing other countries.

but that's irrelevant to the point i was making.
you have not provided evidence that he thinks he is acting on orders from
god
in regards to his beliefs that he is inspired by god, and trying to do the
right thing in god's eyes, that puts him in the same category as the above
examples, whether he is bombing or not, and/or whether he is right or not IN
his belief
but no evidence has been provided in regards to the claim i questioned.
whit

fine by me

whit

User: "maff"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	02 Sep 2004 02:42:35 PM

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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
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Some NY GOopers have christened the GOP as "God's Official

Party".

Coincidentally, Hezbollah means "Party of God". Then again, Karl

Rove

alsways talks about his "base", and wouldn't you know it, Al

Qaeda

literally menas "the base" in Arabic.

Bush and Bin Laden both claim to be acting
under orders from the same God.

cite?

(in regards to bush)

"God told me to strike at al Qaida and
I struck them, and then He instructed me to
strike at Saddam, which I did"
June 20, 2003

i have heard that quote and it is unsubstantiated. iirc, it was made

(and

translated) during a non-observed (no witnesses) conversation that GWB

had

with a foreign dignitary.

iow, it's hearsay, not substantiated, AND subject to translation error

none of these say that he is acting under ORDERS FROM GOD, except for

the

first (which is unsubstantiated hearsay)

otoh, it is clear, and i would not argue, that bush believes he is

inspired

by god, and doing (in general) the right thing, in god's eyes

which puts him in company of MLK, Gandhi, etc.

But MLK, Gandhi, et al were not bombing other countries.

but that's irrelevant to the point i was making.

It's certainly relevant. Fasciosts are tried national and
International Criminal courts.

you have not provided evidence that he thinks he is acting on orders from
god

Isn't that for the courts to decide?

in regards to his beliefs that he is inspired by god, and trying to do the
right thing in god's eyes, that puts him in the same category as the above
examples, whether he is bombing or not, and/or whether he is right or not IN
his belief

but no evidence has been provided in regards to the claim i questioned.

He has already indicated he's inspired in the thread by God and Jesus
to bomb Iraq. He is no differsnt from Jefferson Davis or Hitler.
Preamble
http://www.usconstitution.net/csa.html#Preamble
We, the people of the Confederate States, each State acting in its
sovereign and independent character, in order to form a permanent
federal government, establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity,
and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity --
invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God -- do ordain and
establish this Constitution for the Confederate States of America.
"My correspondent thinks with Mr. Jefferson, that Jehovah has no
attributes that will harmonize with slavery; and that all men are born
free and equal. Now, I say let him throw away his Bible as Mr.
Jefferson did his and then they will be fit companions. But never
disgrace the Bible by making Mr. Jefferson its expounder, nor Mr.
Jefferson by deriving his sentiments from it. Mr. Jefferson did not
bow to the authority of the Bible, and on this subject I do not bow to
him."
[Rev. Thornton Stringfellow, D.D., in "Scriptural View of Slavery," a
work showing that the Bible sanctions slavery, from John E. Remsburg,
"Six Historic Americans. Chapter 2: Thomas Jefferson"]
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/john_remsburg/six_historic_americans/chapter_2.html
"The right of holding slaves is clearly established in the Holy
Scriptures, both by precept and example."
[Rev. R. Furman, D.D., Baptist, of South Carolina]
"There is not one verse in the Bible inhibiting slavery, but many
regulating it. It is not then, we conclude, immoral."
[Rev. Alexander Campbell]
"The extracts from Holy Writ unequivocally assert the right of
property in slaves."
[Rev. E.D. Simms, professor, Randolph-Macon College]
"I draw my warrant from the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments
to hold the slave in bondage."
[Rev. Thomas Witherspoon, Presbyterian, of Alabama]
"In another area of human rights, many Christian clergymen advocated
slavery. Historian Larry Hise notes in his book 'Pro-Slavery' that
ministers 'wrote almost half of all defenses of slavery published in
America.' He lists 275 men of the cloth who used the Bible to prove
that white people were entitled to own black people as work animals."
[James A. Haught, 'Holy Horrors']
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0879755784/
"The delegates of the annual conference are decidedly opposed to
modern abolitionism, and wholly disclaim any right, wish, or intention
to interfere in the civil and political relation between master and
slave in the slave-holding states of the union."
[Methodist Episcopal Church, Statement of the General Conference,
Cincinnati, May 1836]
"The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in
his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially
of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word
be desecrated.
For God's will gave men their form, their essence, and their
abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's
creation, the divine will. Therefore, let every man be active, each in
his own denomination if you please, and let every man take it as his
first and most sacred duty to oppose anyone who in his activity by
word or deed steps outside the confines of his religious community and
tries to butt into the other."
.... Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will
of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am
fighting for the work of the Lord."
- Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf"
"Three years later he informed General Gerhart Engel: "I am now as
before a Catholic and will always remain so." He never left the
church, and the church never left him. Great literature was banned by
his church, but his miserable Mien Kampf never appeared on the Index
of Forbidden Books. "
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/james_haught/holy.html
"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison."
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more
profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had
to shed his blood upon the Cross."
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice..."
And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting
rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I
have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see
them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they
have only for their wages wretchedness and misery."
When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their
queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no
Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not,
as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom
today this poor people are plundered and exploited."
- Adolf Hitler, "My New Order"
PIUS XII
Eugenio Pacelli, Pope 1939 - 1958
"His Holiness, Pius XII, the best anti-democrat in the world," as he
was in 1950 (!) proudly titled by Ecclesia, official organ of the
Spanish Catholic Action in an attempt to pay him the greatest tribute
a Catholic paper could pay, earlier in his career, as we have seen,
had helped Hitler to come to power in Germany. His policy as a pope
was faithful to his predecessor. When the Spanish republic was finally
defeated by Catholic troops under Franco, would-be dictator of Spain,
the pope sent a special message to the victors:
"With great joy we address you, dearest sons of Catholic Spain,
to express our paternal congratulations for the gift of peace and
victory with which God has chosen to crown the Christian heroism of
your faith
... We give you, our dear sons of Catholic Spain, our apostolic
benediction." [4/17/1939]
Church property and all medieval (!) privileges of the Church were
restored. No other religion was allowed. Protestants and ex-Catholics
were sent to concentration camps for refusing to attend divine
service. Freethinkers, democrats, Socialists and Communists were
deprived of civil rights,imprisoned, or shot.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Pius XI, in his own words a "man with no love for democracy," helped
to bring Mussolini's Fascist Party to power in Italy and in 1926
solemnly declared: "Mussolini is a man sent by Divine Providence."
[MC247] In 1935 Fascist Italy attacked and invaded Abyssinia. Since
the population of Italy lacked enthusiasm for this aggression, the
pope hastened to declare a new crusade. For example the Archbishop of
Tarent, holding a Holy Mass on a submarine, declared: "The war against
Abyssinia should be viewed as a Holy War, as a crusade," which also
opened "Ethiopia, the land of infidels and schismatics, to the
catholic Faith."
The pope's emissary in Germany, Papal Nuncio Eugenio Pacelli, the
future Pope Pius XII, helped to demolish the young Weimar republic.
After the liberal democratic Catholic leader Erzberger had been
assassinated, the Pope's exertions became directed to the support of
all Right Wing movements in Germany, via the influence of the Catholic
Centre Party. On march 23, 1933, the German Reichstag met, and the
Catholic Party, led by its Catholic leaders, former chancellor Br�ning
and prelate Mgr. Kaas, personal friend of Pacelli, voted for Catholic
Hitler. After this, having received, directly from the Vatican, orders
to disband, the Catholic Party dissolved. Preached Pacelli to the
German Catholics:
"...it is all the more necessary that the Catholics, deprived of
diplomatic representation, should find in the diplomatic pacts between
the Holy See and the National Socialist Government guarantees which
can assure them ... the maintenance of their position in the life of
the nation."
Mgr. Kaas, leader of the dissolved Catholic Party, put it even more
bluntly: Catholics must support Hitler, he said. They should not have
any fears about it. For Hitler's ideals were "noble ideals."
Furthermore, "Hitler knows well how to guide the ship." In this way
the first successful democracy on german soil had been destroyed.
[MC250-252]

whit

fine by me

whit

User: "Rafael Block"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	01 Sep 2004 07:10:59 PM

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Bush and Bin Laden both claim to be acting
under orders from the same God.

cite?

(in regards to bush)

"God told me to strike at al Qaida and
I struck them, and then He instructed me to
strike at Saddam, which I did"
June 20, 2003

i have heard that quote and it is unsubstantiated. iirc, it was made (and
translated) during a non-observed (no witnesses) conversation that GWB had
with a foreign dignitary.

iow, it's hearsay, not substantiated, AND subject to translation error

none of these say that he is acting under ORDERS FROM GOD, except for the
first (which is unsubstantiated hearsay)

otoh, it is clear, and i would not argue, that bush believes he is inspired
by god, and doing (in general) the right thing, in god's eyes

which puts him in company of MLK, Gandhi, etc.

How many people did King and Gandhi murder for their god? I forgot.

fine by me

whit

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Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	01 Sep 2004 08:32:05 PM

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Bush and Bin Laden both claim to be acting
under orders from the same God.

cite?

(in regards to bush)

"God told me to strike at al Qaida and
I struck them, and then He instructed me to
strike at Saddam, which I did"
June 20, 2003

i have heard that quote and it is unsubstantiated. iirc, it was made

(and

translated) during a non-observed (no witnesses) conversation that GWB

had

with a foreign dignitary.

iow, it's hearsay, not substantiated, AND subject to translation error

none of these say that he is acting under ORDERS FROM GOD, except for

the

first (which is unsubstantiated hearsay)

otoh, it is clear, and i would not argue, that bush believes he is

inspired

by god, and doing (in general) the right thing, in god's eyes

which puts him in company of MLK, Gandhi, etc.

How many people did King and Gandhi murder for their god? I forgot.

that's irrelevant to the main point. that bush has NOT said he is acting
under ORDERS FROM GOD
bush also has not murdered anybody
hth
whit

fine by me

whit

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Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	01 Sep 2004 09:46:13 PM

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Some NY GOopers have christened the GOP as "God's Official Party".
Coincidentally, Hezbollah means "Party of God". Then again, Karl

Rove

alsways talks about his "base", and wouldn't you know it, Al Qaeda
literally menas "the base" in Arabic.

Bush and Bin Laden both claim to be acting
under orders from the same God.

cite?

(in regards to bush)

"God told me to strike at al Qaida and
I struck them, and then He instructed me to
strike at Saddam, which I did"
June 20, 2003

i have heard that quote and it is unsubstantiated. iirc, it was made

(and

translated) during a non-observed (no witnesses) conversation that GWB

had

with a foreign dignitary.

iow, it's hearsay, not substantiated, AND subject to translation error

none of these say that he is acting under ORDERS FROM GOD, except for

the

first (which is unsubstantiated hearsay)

otoh, it is clear, and i would not argue, that bush believes he is

inspired

by god, and doing (in general) the right thing, in god's eyes

which puts him in company of MLK, Gandhi, etc.

How many people did King and Gandhi murder for their god? I forgot.

that's irrelevant to the main point. that bush has NOT said he is acting
under ORDERS FROM GOD

bush also has not murdered anybody

By your standards, neither did
Hitler or Charles Manson.
.

User: "Hydroxy"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	02 Sep 2004 09:23:52 AM

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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
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Some NY GOopers have christened the GOP as "God's Official Party".
Coincidentally, Hezbollah means "Party of God". Then again, Karl

Rove

alsways talks about his "base", and wouldn't you know it, Al Qaeda
literally menas "the base" in Arabic.

Bush and Bin Laden both claim to be acting
under orders from the same God.

cite?

(in regards to bush)

"God told me to strike at al Qaida and
I struck them, and then He instructed me to
strike at Saddam, which I did"
June 20, 2003

i have heard that quote and it is unsubstantiated. iirc, it was made

(and

translated) during a non-observed (no witnesses) conversation that

GWB

had

with a foreign dignitary.

iow, it's hearsay, not substantiated, AND subject to translation

error

none of these say that he is acting under ORDERS FROM GOD, except for

the

first (which is unsubstantiated hearsay)

otoh, it is clear, and i would not argue, that bush believes he is

inspired

by god, and doing (in general) the right thing, in god's eyes

which puts him in company of MLK, Gandhi, etc.

How many people did King and Gandhi murder for their god? I forgot.

that's irrelevant to the main point. that bush has NOT said he is

acting

under ORDERS FROM GOD

bush also has not murdered anybody

By your standards, neither did
Hitler or Charles Manson.

hitler and manson both ORDERED the murders of others
bush has not
if bush has murdered people (or ordered same via the invasion.), then so has
kerry. who authorized same, based on the same intel
but neither did. since they were not UNLAWFUL KILLINGS, they were not
murders
whit
.

User: "Rafael Block"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	02 Sep 2004 11:51:55 AM

Hydroxy wrote:

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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
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Some NY GOopers have christened the GOP as "God's Official Party".
Coincidentally, Hezbollah means "Party of God". Then again, Karl

Rove

alsways talks about his "base", and wouldn't you know it, Al Qaeda
literally menas "the base" in Arabic.

Bush and Bin Laden both claim to be acting
under orders from the same God.

cite?

(in regards to bush)

"God told me to strike at al Qaida and
I struck them, and then He instructed me to
strike at Saddam, which I did"
June 20, 2003

i have heard that quote and it is unsubstantiated. iirc, it was made

(and

translated) during a non-observed (no witnesses) conversation that

GWB

had

with a foreign dignitary.

iow, it's hearsay, not substantiated, AND subject to translation

error

none of these say that he is acting under ORDERS FROM GOD, except for

the

first (which is unsubstantiated hearsay)

otoh, it is clear, and i would not argue, that bush believes he is

inspired

by god, and doing (in general) the right thing, in god's eyes

which puts him in company of MLK, Gandhi, etc.

How many people did King and Gandhi murder for their god? I forgot.

that's irrelevant to the main point. that bush has NOT said he is

acting

under ORDERS FROM GOD

bush also has not murdered anybody

By your standards, neither did
Hitler or Charles Manson.

hitler and manson both ORDERED the murders of others

bush has not

if bush has murdered people (or ordered same via the invasion.), then so has
kerry. who authorized same, based on the same intel

but neither did. since they were not UNLAWFUL KILLINGS, they were not
murders

Nor were Hitlers then.

whit

User: "Hydroxy"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	02 Sep 2004 12:54:54 PM

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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:ohsaj055m8buomh5egr0mhmn7eo5un4dv7@4ax.com:

Some NY GOopers have christened the GOP as "God's Official

Party".

Coincidentally, Hezbollah means "Party of God". Then again, Karl

Rove

alsways talks about his "base", and wouldn't you know it, Al

Qaeda

literally menas "the base" in Arabic.

Bush and Bin Laden both claim to be acting
under orders from the same God.

cite?

(in regards to bush)

"God told me to strike at al Qaida and
I struck them, and then He instructed me to
strike at Saddam, which I did"
June 20, 2003

i have heard that quote and it is unsubstantiated. iirc, it was made

(and

translated) during a non-observed (no witnesses) conversation that

GWB

had

with a foreign dignitary.

iow, it's hearsay, not substantiated, AND subject to translation

error

none of these say that he is acting under ORDERS FROM GOD, except for

the

first (which is unsubstantiated hearsay)

otoh, it is clear, and i would not argue, that bush believes he is

inspired

by god, and doing (in general) the right thing, in god's eyes

which puts him in company of MLK, Gandhi, etc.

How many people did King and Gandhi murder for their god? I forgot.

that's irrelevant to the main point. that bush has NOT said he is

acting

under ORDERS FROM GOD

bush also has not murdered anybody

By your standards, neither did
Hitler or Charles Manson.

hitler and manson both ORDERED the murders of others

bush has not

if bush has murdered people (or ordered same via the invasion.), then so

has

kerry. who authorized same, based on the same intel

but neither did. since they were not UNLAWFUL KILLINGS, they were not
murders

Nor were Hitlers then.

of course they were.
ordering somebody to be killed because of their religion is murder
as nuremburg showed
whit

whit

User: "Mitchell Holman"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	02 Sep 2004 10:23:06 PM

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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:ohsaj055m8buomh5egr0mhmn7eo5un4dv7@4ax.com:

Some NY GOopers have christened the GOP as "God's Official

Party".

Coincidentally, Hezbollah means "Party of God". Then again,

Karl

Rove

alsways talks about his "base", and wouldn't you know it, Al

Qaeda

literally menas "the base" in Arabic.

Bush and Bin Laden both claim to be acting
under orders from the same God.

cite?

(in regards to bush)

"God told me to strike at al Qaida and
I struck them, and then He instructed me to
strike at Saddam, which I did"
June 20, 2003

i have heard that quote and it is unsubstantiated. iirc, it was

made

(and

translated) during a non-observed (no witnesses) conversation that

GWB

had

with a foreign dignitary.

iow, it's hearsay, not substantiated, AND subject to translation

error

none of these say that he is acting under ORDERS FROM GOD, except

for

the

first (which is unsubstantiated hearsay)

otoh, it is clear, and i would not argue, that bush believes he is

inspired

by god, and doing (in general) the right thing, in god's eyes

which puts him in company of MLK, Gandhi, etc.

How many people did King and Gandhi murder for their god? I forgot.

that's irrelevant to the main point. that bush has NOT said he is

acting

under ORDERS FROM GOD

bush also has not murdered anybody

By your standards, neither did
Hitler or Charles Manson.

hitler and manson both ORDERED the murders of others

bush has not

if bush has murdered people (or ordered same via the invasion.), then

has

kerry. who authorized same, based on the same intel

but neither did. since they were not UNLAWFUL KILLINGS, they were not
murders

Nor were Hitlers then.

of course they were.

ordering somebody to be killed because of their religion is murder

Show us what german law the german
government broke.
.

User: "Christopher A. Lee"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	01 Sep 2004 10:49:46 AM

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:07:14 -0700, "Thean" <thea@home.net> wrote:

"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eeneNoEmail@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:Xns955740D8B61CDta2eenew@204.127.204.17...

"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:ohsaj055m8buomh5egr0mhmn7eo5un4dv7@4ax.com:

Bush and Bin Laden both claim to be acting
under orders from the same God.

cite?

(in regards to bush)

The Israeli newspaper Haaretz, interviewing the then Palestianian
Prime Minister.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=310788&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
According to Abbas, immediately thereafter Bush said: "God told me to
strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to
strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the
problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not,
the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
.

User: "Thean"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	01 Sep 2004 10:56:20 AM

"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:07:14 -0700, "Thean" <thea@home.net> wrote:

"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eeneNoEmail@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:Xns955740D8B61CDta2eenew@204.127.204.17...

"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:ohsaj055m8buomh5egr0mhmn7eo5un4dv7@4ax.com:

Bush and Bin Laden both claim to be acting
under orders from the same God.

cite?

(in regards to bush)

The Israeli newspaper Haaretz, interviewing the then Palestianian
Prime Minister.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=310788&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

According to Abbas, immediately thereafter Bush said: "God told me to
strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to
strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the
problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not,
the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

i'm well aware of that. and it's already been discussed.
the critical part "ACCORDING TO ABBAS"
it's not substantiated.
it's hearsay.
whit
.

User: "Christopher A. Lee"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	01 Sep 2004 10:59:53 AM

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:56:20 -0700, "Thean" <thea@home.net> wrote:

"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:07:14 -0700, "Thean" <thea@home.net> wrote:

"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eeneNoEmail@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:Xns955740D8B61CDta2eenew@204.127.204.17...

"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:ohsaj055m8buomh5egr0mhmn7eo5un4dv7@4ax.com:

Bush and Bin Laden both claim to be acting
under orders from the same God.

cite?

(in regards to bush)

The Israeli newspaper Haaretz, interviewing the then Palestianian
Prime Minister.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=310788&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

i'm well aware of that. and it's already been discussed.

the critical part "ACCORDING TO ABBAS"

it's not substantiated.

it's hearsay.

However, it was from a political leader who had just met him. And it
fits other remarks he's made, like telling people God called on him to
be President.

whit

User: "Thean"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	01 Sep 2004 11:20:35 AM

"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:56:20 -0700, "Thean" <thea@home.net> wrote:

"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:07:14 -0700, "Thean" <thea@home.net> wrote:

"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eeneNoEmail@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:Xns955740D8B61CDta2eenew@204.127.204.17...

"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:ohsaj055m8buomh5egr0mhmn7eo5un4dv7@4ax.com:

Some NY GOopers have christened the GOP as "God's Official Party".
Coincidentally, Hezbollah means "Party of God". Then again, Karl

Rove

alsways talks about his "base", and wouldn't you know it, Al Qaeda
literally menas "the base" in Arabic.

Bush and Bin Laden both claim to be acting
under orders from the same God.

cite?

(in regards to bush)

The Israeli newspaper Haaretz, interviewing the then Palestianian
Prime Minister.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=310788&contrassID=2&s

ubContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

i'm well aware of that. and it's already been discussed.

the critical part "ACCORDING TO ABBAS"

it's not substantiated.

it's hearsay.

However, it was from a political leader who had just met him. And it
fits other remarks he's made, like telling people God called on him to
be President.

whit

it does not fit.
it is actually an example of god TELLING george bush to do a specific act,
giving him orders.
and i can find NO other quote where gwb says anything to that extent, that
god TOLD him to invade iraq, etc.
it is one, unsubstantiated, unwitnessed, statement
that's all
bush believes (as do many religious people, to include MLK, Gandhi, etc.)
that god's will is important, that mankind (and men) can act to forward
justice and do so according to godly principles.
it does not follow that bush believes he is following god's orders when he
does stuff
whit
whit

User: "Vash The Stampede"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	04 Sep 2004 07:40:12 AM

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 09:20:35 -0700, Thean wrote:

"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:56:20 -0700, "Thean" <thea@home.net> wrote:

"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:frrbj0hb3e8a25qvjpuq5sd4fjg4v1mk3p@4ax.com...

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:07:14 -0700, "Thean" <thea@home.net> wrote:

"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eeneNoEmail@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:Xns955740D8B61CDta2eenew@204.127.204.17...

"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:ohsaj055m8buomh5egr0mhmn7eo5un4dv7@4ax.com:

Some NY GOopers have christened the GOP as "God's Official Party".
Coincidentally, Hezbollah means "Party of God". Then again, Karl

Rove

alsways talks about his "base", and wouldn't you know it, Al Qaeda
literally menas "the base" in Arabic.

Bush and Bin Laden both claim to be acting
under orders from the same God.

cite?

(in regards to bush)

The Israeli newspaper Haaretz, interviewing the then Palestianian
Prime Minister.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=310788&contrassID=2&s

ubContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

i'm well aware of that. and it's already been discussed.

the critical part "ACCORDING TO ABBAS"

it's not substantiated.

it's hearsay.

However, it was from a political leader who had just met him. And it
fits other remarks he's made, like telling people God called on him to
be President.

whit

it does not fit.

it is actually an example of god TELLING george bush to do a specific act,
giving him orders.

and i can find NO other quote where gwb says anything to that extent, that
god TOLD him to invade iraq, etc.

it is one, unsubstantiated, unwitnessed, statement

that's all

bush believes (as do many religious people, to include MLK, Gandhi, etc.)
that god's will is important, that mankind (and men) can act to forward
justice and do so according to godly principles.

it does not follow that bush believes he is following god's orders when he
does stuff

whit

whit

Damn, man there you go confusing the issue with facts!
This person says he found it on the Internet, and gave a URL. Therefore,
it *must* be true!
Perhaps if he posts a couple more URL's it *might* enhance both his and
his reference's credibility.
I'm off to polish a car. Much more useful than trying to make sense out of
the posts from these Liberals. My head's spinning from the spin that Yang
and Jacobs spew here.
And do stop responding to these people. It's unfair to get into a battle
of wits with adversaries that are only half-armed...

User: "Bob Harrington rch at blarg dot net"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	02 Sep 2004 06:49:39 AM

Christopher A. Lee wrote:

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:56:20 -0700, "Thean" <thea@home.net> wrote:

"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:frrbj0hb3e8a25qvjpuq5sd4fjg4v1mk3p@4ax.com...

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:07:14 -0700, "Thean" <thea@home.net> wrote:

"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eeneNoEmail@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:Xns955740D8B61CDta2eenew@204.127.204.17...

"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:ohsaj055m8buomh5egr0mhmn7eo5un4dv7@4ax.com:

Bush and Bin Laden both claim to be acting
under orders from the same God.

cite?

(in regards to bush)

The Israeli newspaper Haaretz, interviewing the then Palestianian
Prime Minister.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=310788&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

According to Abbas, immediately thereafter Bush said: "God told me
to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me
to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve
the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if
not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

i'm well aware of that. and it's already been discussed.

the critical part "ACCORDING TO ABBAS"

it's not substantiated.

it's hearsay.

However, it was from a political leader who had just met him. And it
fits other remarks he's made, like telling people God called on him to
be President.

Was this one of the world leaders Kerry imagined he talked to?
.

User: "Yang, AthD h.c"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	03 Sep 2004 11:57:08 PM

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:49:39 -0700, "Bob Harrington" <rch at blarg dot
net> wrote:

However, it was from a political leader who had just met him. And it
fits other remarks he's made, like telling people God called on him to
be President.

Was this one of the world leaders Kerry imagined he talked to?

Tony Blair, *****.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1294572,00.html
Patrick Wintour, chief political correspondent | Wednesday September
1, 2004 | The Guardian: John Kerry supporters in America have been
told by Peter Hain that [British Prime Minister Tony Blair] is hoping
the Democratic candidate wins the US presidential election in
November. Mr Hain, who sits in the cabinet as Leader of the Commons,
has been in the US... in private discussions with guests... a
Democratic victory was clearly sought....
[T]he Blairite group Progress... scathing attack on Mr Bush's
record...: "By his manner, his rhetoric and sometimes his actions
George Bush has presented to the world an image of America that its
friends know is not its true face. That is why those who recognise
that American leadership is vital and a force for good in an uncertain
world will wish John Kerry well."
-----
Yang
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The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -978 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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User: "Michael Marxist Moore"
Title: Strange Things About Kerry�s Decorations.	04 Sep 2004 12:28:28 AM

Strange Things About Kerry�s Decorations.
I can remember in my early days in the military, there was a lucrative
business in Military ID cards. Us young guys, under 21 could go down
town to a photo shop and get a fake ID card saying our age was old
enough to frequent the local bars around the base. We were also made
aware that you could get about any thing else you wanted, DD 214,
Decorations, Honorable Discharge. You could also get good money for
blank forms of the above documents. These forms were periodically
changed for one reason or the other. But were mostly controlled
documents and not readily available.
This brings me to John Kerry's military records.

I reviewed his Bronze Star Certificate several months ago and found it
to be issued on a date well after the specific form was replaced. Or
to restate, he was awarded the Bronze Star on a form that was
obsolete, one not unlike those that the forgers would buy from
unscrupulous admin. clerks. I made this observation known on the news
groups, subsequent to that Kerry's award decoration disappeared from
his military records web site, leaving only the Citation remaining.
I have reviewed his Purple Heart awards and find strange things about
them also. For example, Kerry's name , Action date, and signature date
was typed with a typewriter having a distinct fonts, I think it is Old
English. And yet the Gold Star in lue of line on the two subsequent
awards is typed in standard small print.
Another strange thing is that his second award was for wounds
received on 13 March 1969, and his third award was for wounds received
on 20 February 1969, a reversal of the stated alleged occurrence.
Another strange thing is the signature date for all three certificates
are the same, 12 August 1969.
Another strange thing:
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Command_History_Awards.pdf
Found on Kerry's web page is his Coastal Division's history of Awards
for Silver Star, Bronze Star, Navy
Commendation Medal and Purple Hearts. Kerry is listed as receiving the
Silver Star and (3) Purple Hearts, but NO Bronze Star.
Of course there is another subject that will put his damage control
spin in action again as soon as he finishes up with this one.
In the event any one hears a loud squeal coming from the Ketchup Farm,
pay no attention as it is expected, because I got them by the gonads.
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User: "Christopher A. Lee"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	02 Sep 2004 07:41:40 AM

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:49:39 -0700, "Bob Harrington" <rch at blarg dot
net> wrote:

However, it was from a political leader who had just met him. And it
fits other remarks he's made, like telling people God called on him to
be President.

Was this one of the world leaders Kerry imagined he talked to?

Eh? What are you babbling about? I cited the Israeli newspaper
Haaretz, interviewing Abbas WHO HAD JUST TALKED WITH BUSH.
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User: "W. Syme"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	01 Sep 2004 08:23:48 AM

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 11:21:26 GMT, Mitchell Holman
<ta2eeneNoEmail@comcast.com> wrote:

"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:ohsaj055m8buomh5egr0mhmn7eo5un4dv7@4ax.com:

Bush and Bin Laden both claim to be acting
under orders from the same God. Maybe would
revive the old trial by combat and let these
two duke it out behind the gym.

Hey, Osama actually saw real combat. W won't have a chance.
--
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
W. Syme (pseudonym), European, non-native English speaker, "hard" atheist.
Email will not be read.
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User: "MrPepper11"
Title: Re: GOP="God's Official Party", Hezbollah="Party of God"	03 Sep 2004 09:19:08 AM

"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message news:<ohsaj055m8buomh5egr0mhmn7eo5un4dv7@4ax.com>...

Yep, Giuliani said GOD sent us George Bush:
"In his speech Monday night, Giuliani recalled the horrible moment
almost three years ago when he stared up at the burning towers of the
World Trade Center and realized that those objects plummeting toward
him from the sky were human beings who had hurled themselves from the
top. At that moment, he said, he turned to a colleague and thanked God
that our president was George Bush. However, as critics of the
president will point out, Bush himself was sitting transfixed in a
Florida schoolroom in those minutes, clearly uncertain of what to do
next."
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
9/2/04
Fans fawn, but Bush fails as commander
New York City -- The goal of this week's GOP convention is not merely
to nominate George W. Bush for re-election as president of the United
States. Its planners have a far greater ambition, seeking to install
the president in the pantheon of great wartime leaders alongside
historic figures such as Roosevelt, Lincoln and Churchill.
Speaker after speaker, from Arnold all the way to Zell, have come to
the podium to laud Bush's virtues as commander in chief, but the most
remarkable contribution to the cause came from former New York City
Mayor Rudy Giuliani. In his speech Monday night, Giuliani recalled the
horrible moment almost three years ago when he stared up at the
burning towers of the World Trade Center and realized that those
objects plummeting toward him from the sky were human beings who had
hurled themselves from the top. At that moment, he said, he turned to
a colleague and thanked God that our president was George Bush.
However, as critics of the president will point out, Bush himself was
sitting transfixed in a Florida schoolroom in those minutes, clearly
uncertain of what to do next.
So how should the president's performance as commander in chief be
assessed? How well has he met the central challenges that confronted
him and the nation in the aftermath of Sept. 11?
The most immediate of those challenges was to reassure a nation shaken
to its core by the experience of watching thousands of their fellow
Americans die on live television. All but the most virulent of the
president's critics will concede that Bush met and exceeded that
initial test of leadership, exuding an aura of confidence, strength
and compassion in those early days that continues to pay political
dividends for him even today.
The next challenge for the president was to strike and strike hard at
those who had attacked us, both out of justified vengeance and as an
act of self-defense. On this test, the record is mixed. We have
succeeded in disrupting but not destroying the al-Qaida network, in
part because we withheld troops from Afghanistan and hired local
militias to do much of our fighting. It seems fair to say that on
Sept. 12, 2001, most Americans would have been deeply disappointed and
perhaps even shocked if they had known that Osama bin Laden would
still be at large almost three years later.
Capturing bin Laden, however, was not the most important challenge
facing Bush. The attacks of Sept. 11 taught us that there were no
limits on the brutality that terrorists were willing to inflict, a
lesson with particularly grim implications in an age when weapons of
mass destruction have become more widespread. Recognizing that danger,
President Bush publicly identified three rogue countries with the
capacity to develop such weapons -- Iraq, Iran and North Korea -- and
made them targets of U.S. efforts to force them to disarm. He
eventually decided to invade and occupy one of those countries, Iraq,
with consequences that will hound us for a long time.
In an interview Tuesday, Bush told Rush Limbaugh that no American
president should ever take his country to war without first exhausting
every diplomatic option, and he went on to claim that he had been
forced to invade Iraq because Saddam Hussein had refused to disarm and
because diplomacy had proved fruitless.
That is, to be kind, a gross rewriting of history, and it does not
become more truthful simply because Bush himself seems to believe it.
Diplomacy had not been exhausted when we chose to go to war. Quite the
contrary, diplomacy, combined with the very necessary threat of
military action, had succeeded and was continuing to succeed. By the
spring of 2003, Saddam had been forced to open up his entire country,
including his precious palaces, to U.N. arms inspectors, and as those
inspections went on week after week, they produced no evidence of
weapons or weapons programs. The inspections ended only when they were
pre-empted by Bush's decision to go to war.
If the inspections had been allowed to continue -- if we truly had
tried to exhaust our diplomatic options -- we would have learned
through peaceful means what we have so far sacrificed almost 1,000
American lives and almost $200 billion to discover: Far from refusing
to disarm, as the president continues to claim, Saddam had actually
dumped his illegal weapons of mass destruction years earlier.
With its initial justification for invasion rendered moot, the Bush
administration has now embraced a larger mission of bringing democracy
to Iraq. At best, it will be a generation before we know whether that
effort will succeed, but the prospect of catastrophic failure is very
real. Max Boot, a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and an
enthusiastic and early advocate of invasion, asserted Tuesday in New
York that even with all of our setbacks in Iraq, "the odds of ultimate
success are better than 50-50." When the optimistic outlook is 50-50,
that tells you something.
And unfortunately, while we have been preoccupied with Iraq, the other
two charter members of the axis of evil have become more dangerous.
Over the past three years, Iran has made significant progress toward
acquiring nuclear weapons, and North Korea is believed to have
expanded its existing nuclear arsenal. If Bush was correct in stating
that the biggest danger facing this country is the possession of
nuclear weapons by rogue nations, then we are significantly less safe
today than we were three years ago. More chilling yet, because of
Iraq, we may not be able to muster the diplomatic credibility and
military capability we would need to alter the course of events in
those countries.
In other words, if we judge Bush's performance by the challenges that
he set for himself and t