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"johac" |
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15 Oct 2006 02:34:20 AM |
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GOP's gay identity crisis |
And this is the party which wants to ban gay marriage and always rants
about the 'gay agenda'? However, I'm glad to see that some are 'coming
out' as human beings.
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Page scandal exposes GOP's gay identity crisis
Updated 10/12/2006 9:51 AM ET
By Kathy Kiely, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON At a State Department ceremony this week, Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice warmly acknowledged the family members of Mark Dybul,
whom she was swearing in as the nation's new global AIDS coordinator.
As first lady Laura Bush looked on, Rice singled out his partner, Jason
Claire, and Claire's mother. Rice referred to her as Dybul's
"mother-in-law."
The celebratory moment for a gay couple was emblematic of the political
identity crisis facing the Republican Party, two years after an election
the GOP won in part by making gay marriage an issue and less than two
weeks after revelations about a Republican House member's advances
toward teenage boys.
For Republicans, the most difficult problem posed by the e-mail
exchanges that former congressman Mark Foley had with pages is not
necessarily the flagrant misbehavior of one member. Rather it's the fact
that the investigation is exposing a politically awkward fact of life:
some GOP leaders practice a more tolerant brand of politics in their
office hiring than some in the party have preached on the campaign trail.
"They play somebody different on TV than they are in person," says John
Aravosis, a gay blogger who used to work for Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska.
Jeff Trandahl, the former House clerk at the center of the inquiry into
the Foley e-mails and a top-ranking appointee of House Speaker Dennis
Hastert, is openly gay. So is Kirk Fordham, the former Foley chief of
staff who says he alerted Hastert's office last year to his boss'
over-chumminess with high school pages.
The revelations have disturbed some conservative activists, who believe
that Republicans owe their victories in the 2004 elections to the
thousands of "values voters" who trooped to the polls to vote for
anti-gay-marriage measures on the ballots of 11 swing states.
"It was the deciding factor in the presidential election," says Phil
Burress. He spearheaded the successful effort to pass a gay-marriage ban
in Ohio, the state that decided the election for Bush.
"Has the social agenda of the GOP been stalled by homosexual members or
staffers?" Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council wrote in an
e-mail message to the organization's activists this week. In an
interview, Perkins says that while he has not drawn any conclusions,
"these are questions that need to be resolved."
Such sentiments have raised concerns that gay staffers will be pressed
to leave Republican offices. "It could be another Salem," says former
senator Alan Simpson, referring to colonial-era witch hunts. Simpson, a
Wyoming Republican, co-founded the Republican Unity Coalition to
encourage gay participation in the party.
Gay Republicans insist they shouldn't be blamed for Foley or the
fallout. Patrick Sammon, political director of the Log Cabin
Republicans, denounced the congressman's behavior toward pages as
"despicable."
Justin Nelson, a former GOP House staffer who founded the National Gay
and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce, says "it was gay Republican staffers
and an openly gay member of Congress" who delivered early warnings about
Foley's behavior.
Both Fordham and Rep. Jim Kolbe of Arizona, Congress' only openly gay
Republican member, have said they passed on complaints about Foley to
the House speaker and clerk offices.
While many conservatives insist their opposition to gay marriage doesn't
equate to opposition to homosexuality, some remain suspicious of gays'
trustworthiness. Burress says he believes that homosexual men are more
prone to pedophilia than heterosexuals. "There's no question about
that," he says.
The Rev. Debra Haffner, head of the Religious Institute on Sexual
Morality, Justice and Healing, denies that assertion. "The vast majority
of child abusers are heterosexual; the vast majority of abused children
are girls," she says.
Former senator John Danforth, a Missouri Republican who has just
published a book called Faith and Politics, says his party's successful
use of gay marriage as a campaign issue may come back to haunt it.
"There are some things that aren't worth doing whether they work or
not," he says.
Not all conservatives have had their faith shaken in the GOP, however.
Helen Cindrich, an abortion opponent and conservative activist who is
working for Republican Sen. Rick Santorum's re-election in Pennsylvania,
says her views about gays and lesbians have evolved as she has met some
of them.
"What would you do if you took all those people who are homosexual out
of all those offices?" she asks. "There's probably a lot of good people
who would be shunned, and that's not the way it's supposed to be."
Cindrich acknowledges that not all her fellow conservatives agree with
her, but she adds, "I guess I'm learning to take people where they are."
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-11-gop-gay-identity-crisi
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http://tinyurl.com/y4z5dn
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| User: "John Baker" |
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15 Oct 2006 02:55:04 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:34:20 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
<snipped for brevity>
Sounds like the Repubs are revving up the spin machine...
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: GOP's gay identity crisis |
16 Oct 2006 01:09:18 AM |
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In article <s8q3j257tr1af8d9elflgc947e3m0ivq83@4ax.com>,
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:34:20 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
<snipped for brevity>
Sounds like the Repubs are revving up the spin machine...
Yes and may the spin be so fast that centrifugal force flings them all
the way into political oblivion.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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18 Oct 2006 05:51:42 PM |
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John Baker wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:34:20 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
<snipped for brevity>
Sounds like the Repubs are revving up the spin machine...
Conservative political parties housing repressed closeted homosexual
politicians have been seen before:
http://www.leaderu.com/jhs/lively.html
NTTAWWT. Actually, in this case, there is.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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15 Oct 2006 07:19:28 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:34:20 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
Helen Cindrich, an abortion opponent and conservative activist who is
working for Republican Sen. Rick Santorum's re-election in Pennsylvania,
says her views about gays and lesbians have evolved as she has met some
of them.
"What would you do if you took all those people who are homosexual out
of all those offices?" she asks. "There's probably a lot of good people
who would be shunned, and that's not the way it's supposed to be."
Cindrich acknowledges that not all her fellow conservatives agree with
her, but she adds, "I guess I'm learning to take people where they are."
Hypocrisy must be taught in the womb. "We can't get rid of all these
gay Republican congresspeople, some of whom are most likely child
abusers, and replace them with Democratic straight family men."
Do they really think the smoke is thick enough to hide the lie fleet?
--
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insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."
- Letter to S. Flesch, April 16, 1954; Einstein Archive 30-1154
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: GOP's gay identity crisis |
16 Oct 2006 01:07:17 AM |
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In article <7sj5j2tn820lagpa9r64td3s5h76u4oqar@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:34:20 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
Helen Cindrich, an abortion opponent and conservative activist who is
working for Republican Sen. Rick Santorum's re-election in Pennsylvania,
says her views about gays and lesbians have evolved as she has met some
of them.
"What would you do if you took all those people who are homosexual out
of all those offices?" she asks. "There's probably a lot of good people
who would be shunned, and that's not the way it's supposed to be."
Cindrich acknowledges that not all her fellow conservatives agree with
her, but she adds, "I guess I'm learning to take people where they are."
Hypocrisy must be taught in the womb. "We can't get rid of all these
gay Republican congresspeople, some of whom are most likely child
abusers, and replace them with Democratic straight family men."
Do they really think the smoke is thick enough to hide the lie fleet?
Of course not. They would rather fill the positions with neo nazi
skinheads than the 'enemy'.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: GOP's gay identity crisis |
16 Oct 2006 02:27:04 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-2273C1.23071715102006@news.giganews.com...
In article <7sj5j2tn820lagpa9r64td3s5h76u4oqar@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:34:20 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
Helen Cindrich, an abortion opponent and conservative activist who is
working for Republican Sen. Rick Santorum's re-election in Pennsylvania,
says her views about gays and lesbians have evolved as she has met some
of them.
"What would you do if you took all those people who are homosexual out
of all those offices?" she asks. "There's probably a lot of good people
who would be shunned, and that's not the way it's supposed to be."
Cindrich acknowledges that not all her fellow conservatives agree with
her, but she adds, "I guess I'm learning to take people where they are."
Hypocrisy must be taught in the womb. "We can't get rid of all these
gay Republican congresspeople, some of whom are most likely child
abusers, and replace them with Democratic straight family men."
Do they really think the smoke is thick enough to hide the lie fleet?
Of course not. They would rather fill the positions with neo nazi
skinheads than the 'enemy'.
Like they're doing with the army these days due to shortages
of good recruits?
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: GOP's gay identity crisis |
16 Oct 2006 11:39:12 PM |
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In article <9IydnUUEXanYqa7YnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-2273C1.23071715102006@news.giganews.com...
In article <7sj5j2tn820lagpa9r64td3s5h76u4oqar@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:34:20 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
Helen Cindrich, an abortion opponent and conservative activist who is
working for Republican Sen. Rick Santorum's re-election in Pennsylvania,
says her views about gays and lesbians have evolved as she has met some
of them.
"What would you do if you took all those people who are homosexual out
of all those offices?" she asks. "There's probably a lot of good people
who would be shunned, and that's not the way it's supposed to be."
Cindrich acknowledges that not all her fellow conservatives agree with
her, but she adds, "I guess I'm learning to take people where they are."
Hypocrisy must be taught in the womb. "We can't get rid of all these
gay Republican congresspeople, some of whom are most likely child
abusers, and replace them with Democratic straight family men."
Do they really think the smoke is thick enough to hide the lie fleet?
Of course not. They would rather fill the positions with neo nazi
skinheads than the 'enemy'.
Like they're doing with the army these days due to shortages
of good recruits?
Exactly. I read about that and found it very scary. I'm worried about
what these people will do when they get back. Or maybe they are being
trained to be King George's palace guard.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: GOP's gay identity crisis |
18 Oct 2006 05:53:08 PM |
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:39:12 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <9IydnUUEXanYqa7YnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-2273C1.23071715102006@news.giganews.com...
In article <7sj5j2tn820lagpa9r64td3s5h76u4oqar@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:34:20 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
Helen Cindrich, an abortion opponent and conservative activist who is
working for Republican Sen. Rick Santorum's re-election in Pennsylvania,
says her views about gays and lesbians have evolved as she has met some
of them.
"What would you do if you took all those people who are homosexual out
of all those offices?" she asks. "There's probably a lot of good people
who would be shunned, and that's not the way it's supposed to be."
Cindrich acknowledges that not all her fellow conservatives agree with
her, but she adds, "I guess I'm learning to take people where they are."
Hypocrisy must be taught in the womb. "We can't get rid of all these
gay Republican congresspeople, some of whom are most likely child
abusers, and replace them with Democratic straight family men."
Do they really think the smoke is thick enough to hide the lie fleet?
Of course not. They would rather fill the positions with neo nazi
skinheads than the 'enemy'.
Like they're doing with the army these days due to shortages
of good recruits?
Exactly. I read about that and found it very scary. I'm worried about
what these people will do when they get back. Or maybe they are being
trained to be King George's palace guard.
/cue God's {Hells} Angels.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: GOP's gay identity crisis |
18 Oct 2006 05:44:31 PM |
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:27:04 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in alt.atheism
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-2273C1.23071715102006@news.giganews.com...
In article <7sj5j2tn820lagpa9r64td3s5h76u4oqar@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:34:20 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
Helen Cindrich, an abortion opponent and conservative activist who is
working for Republican Sen. Rick Santorum's re-election in Pennsylvania,
says her views about gays and lesbians have evolved as she has met some
of them.
"What would you do if you took all those people who are homosexual out
of all those offices?" she asks. "There's probably a lot of good people
who would be shunned, and that's not the way it's supposed to be."
Cindrich acknowledges that not all her fellow conservatives agree with
her, but she adds, "I guess I'm learning to take people where they are."
Hypocrisy must be taught in the womb. "We can't get rid of all these
gay Republican congresspeople, some of whom are most likely child
abusers, and replace them with Democratic straight family men."
Do they really think the smoke is thick enough to hide the lie fleet?
Of course not. They would rather fill the positions with neo nazi
skinheads than the 'enemy'.
Like they're doing with the army these days due to shortages
of good recruits?
Of course.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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