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"maff" |
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06 Oct 2006 11:25:13 AM |
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GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening |
GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501763_pf.html
Party's Showing in Midterm Elections May Be Hurt as Polls Indicate
Support Dropping in Base
By Alan Cooperman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 6, 2006; A06
ANOKA, Minn. -- Lynn Sunde, an evangelical Christian, is considering
what for her is a radical step. Come November, she may vote for a
Democrat for Congress.
Sunde, 35, manages a coffee shop and attends a nondenominational Bible
church. "You're never going to agree with one party on everything, so
for me the key has always been the religion issues -- abortion, the
marriage amendment" to ban same-sex unions, she said.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening |
06 Oct 2006 12:22:43 PM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501763_pf.html
Party's Showing in Midterm Elections May Be Hurt as Polls Indicate
Support Dropping in Base
As an unrepentant liberal and lifelong Democrat, I rather hoped they would
stay with the Republicans and force the moderates to us.
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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| Title: Re: GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening |
06 Oct 2006 04:38:45 PM |
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"Geoff" <geoff@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501763_pf.html
Party's Showing in Midterm Elections May Be Hurt as Polls Indicate
Support Dropping in Base
As an unrepentant liberal and lifelong Democrat, I rather hoped they would
stay with the Republicans and force the moderates to us.
Instead you will get a bunch of homos joining up.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening |
08 Oct 2006 02:14:30 PM |
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"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"Geoff" <geoff@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501763_pf.html
Party's Showing in Midterm Elections May Be Hurt as Polls Indicate
Support Dropping in Base
As an unrepentant liberal and lifelong Democrat, I rather hoped they
would stay with the Republicans and force the moderates to us.
Instead you will get a bunch of homos joining up.
Fine by me. Their votes count for one just like me. I'd rather my party
support a gay agenda - which is basically about expanding rights - than that
of evangelicals - which is basically about moralizing and restricting
rights.
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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| Title: Re: GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening |
08 Oct 2006 03:52:56 PM |
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"Geoff" <geoff@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"Geoff" <geoff@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501763_pf.html
Party's Showing in Midterm Elections May Be Hurt as Polls Indicate
Support Dropping in Base
As an unrepentant liberal and lifelong Democrat, I rather hoped they
would stay with the Republicans and force the moderates to us.
Instead you will get a bunch of homos joining up.
Fine by me. Their votes count for one just like me. I'd rather my party
support a gay agenda - which is basically about expanding rights - than
that of evangelicals - which is basically about moralizing and restricting
rights.
Neither strategy is a winner.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening |
09 Oct 2006 08:27:32 PM |
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"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Fine by me. Their votes count for one just like me. I'd rather my party
support a gay agenda - which is basically about expanding rights - than
that of evangelicals - which is basically about moralizing and
restricting rights.
Neither strategy is a winner.
That's your opinion. Go back to giving blacks 3/5 of a vote. But not in my
country.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening |
06 Oct 2006 12:40:11 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 08:22:43 -0400, Geoff wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1160133912.967335.149870@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501763_pf.html
Party's Showing in Midterm Elections May Be Hurt as Polls Indicate
Support Dropping in Base
As an unrepentant liberal and lifelong Democrat, I rather hoped they would
stay with the Republicans and force the moderates to us.
Actually, your best bet is the radical Christianists get disgusted and stay
home to pout when elections come around...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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06 Oct 2006 02:48:42 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 07:40:11 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 08:22:43 -0400, Geoff wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1160133912.967335.149870@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501763_pf.html
Party's Showing in Midterm Elections May Be Hurt as Polls Indicate
Support Dropping in Base
As an unrepentant liberal and lifelong Democrat, I rather hoped they would
stay with the Republicans and force the moderates to us.
Actually, your best bet is the radical Christianists get disgusted and stay
home to pout when elections come around...
Unfortunately we've seen what happens when they get out and vote, and
those who pander them while they ignore the real issues and focus on
what they imagine are "family values".
It takes a breach of "family values" by those they support, to upset
them.
Not our troops being killed in an un-necessary and illegal war that
has killed tens of thousands of people who don't even count in their
minds.
Not the weaponry which leaves the environment poisoned and even kills
our own troops after they have returned let alone all the local people
who don't even count.
Not the bankrupting of the country to pay for it.
Not the alienation of the rest of the world due our transparent lies
to them we used as the pretext for the war.
Not the creation of people we have given a reason to hate us.
Not even the energy prices we pay to travel, heat our homes etc.
Not the state of the medical system.
None of these are important as long as the people they vote for attack
those they hate.
It takes one of their elected representatives to be caught doing what
they attack, and the party covering it up.
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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| Title: Re: GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening |
06 Oct 2006 04:38:49 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:mkqci2d30noa63e7t8girlsv2jp5qsvksr@4ax.com...
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 07:40:11 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 08:22:43 -0400, Geoff wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1160133912.967335.149870@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501763_pf.html
Party's Showing in Midterm Elections May Be Hurt as Polls Indicate
Support Dropping in Base
As an unrepentant liberal and lifelong Democrat, I rather hoped they
would
stay with the Republicans and force the moderates to us.
Actually, your best bet is the radical Christianists get disgusted and
stay
home to pout when elections come around...
Unfortunately we've seen what happens when they get out and vote, and
those who pander them while they ignore the real issues and focus on
what they imagine are "family values".
It takes a breach of "family values" by those they support, to upset
them.
Not our troops being killed in an un-necessary and illegal war that
has killed tens of thousands of people who don't even count in their
minds.
Not the weaponry which leaves the environment poisoned and even kills
our own troops after they have returned let alone all the local people
who don't even count.
Not the bankrupting of the country to pay for it.
Not the alienation of the rest of the world due our transparent lies
to them we used as the pretext for the war.
Not the creation of people we have given a reason to hate us.
Not even the energy prices we pay to travel, heat our homes etc.
Not the state of the medical system.
None of these are important as long as the people they vote for attack
those they hate.
It takes one of their elected representatives to be caught doing what
they attack, and the party covering it up.
I'd say that this latest thing is just distracting from the real issues, and
the Democrats would have won on those and still can. The Foley story could
even be a diversionary tactic by the true rulers of the right-wing, to make
"Family Values" a major issue. No one knows who or why the skeleton came out
now. I've always thought the GOP were a bunch of queers. That was no secret
to anyone living in Washington, and spending time around the Capitol, as I
did for 20 years. I could tell you a story, but as anecdotal evidnece it
wouldn't mean anything except to someone with a corroborating life
experience. Besides there are plenty of elitists on either side who had
sexual addictions of all sorts. Take for instance someone who goes to Law
School. Nothing to do but read law books and get horny.
Now about Foley. Of course the leaders wouldn't say anything. They needed to
keep him in office for the service he rendered politically like going on the
Walsh TV show. Once he got to be a high profile family-values guy, outing
him would have brought into question all their hypocrisy. Like why do we
need these fat-cats to tell us what's right and wrong? Someone might have
even wised up to the anti-abortionists' incongruity, of wanting more
children to be born without creating the economic infrastructure to support
fmilies.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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08 Oct 2006 02:11:12 PM |
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"ike milligan" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Besides there are plenty of elitists on either side who had sexual
addictions of all sorts. Take for instance someone who goes to Law School.
Nothing to do but read law books and get horny.
This one sounds sooooooo hot...
Hurst, James Willard. The Legitimacy of the Business Corporation in the Law
of the United States, 1780-1970. Charlottesville, 1970. Hurst explores the
development of corporate law from the 1780s to the 1960s. More than a
chronicle, Hurst emphasizes how legal institutions actively shaped the
central traits of American capitalism. The author of several important books
on American legal history, Hurst had a particular interest in the ways law
and society influenced one another.
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 Oct 2006 12:46:55 AM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:38:49 GMT, "ike milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:mkqci2d30noa63e7t8girlsv2jp5qsvksr@4ax.com...
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 07:40:11 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
[]
None of these are important as long as the people they vote for attack
those they hate.
It takes one of their elected representatives to be caught doing what
they attack, and the party covering it up.
I'd say that this latest thing is just distracting from the real issues, and
the Democrats would have won on those and still can.
The 'real' issue would have been screaming about the unconstitutionality
of the bill they caved on and couldn't even be bothered to fillibuster.
[]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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06 Oct 2006 04:54:09 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:38:49 GMT, "ike milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:mkqci2d30noa63e7t8girlsv2jp5qsvksr@4ax.com...
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 07:40:11 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 08:22:43 -0400, Geoff wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1160133912.967335.149870@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501763_pf.html
Party's Showing in Midterm Elections May Be Hurt as Polls Indicate
Support Dropping in Base
As an unrepentant liberal and lifelong Democrat, I rather hoped they
would
stay with the Republicans and force the moderates to us.
Actually, your best bet is the radical Christianists get disgusted and
stay
home to pout when elections come around...
Unfortunately we've seen what happens when they get out and vote, and
those who pander them while they ignore the real issues and focus on
what they imagine are "family values".
It takes a breach of "family values" by those they support, to upset
them.
Not our troops being killed in an un-necessary and illegal war that
has killed tens of thousands of people who don't even count in their
minds.
Not the weaponry which leaves the environment poisoned and even kills
our own troops after they have returned let alone all the local people
who don't even count.
Not the bankrupting of the country to pay for it.
Not the alienation of the rest of the world due our transparent lies
to them we used as the pretext for the war.
Not the creation of people we have given a reason to hate us.
Not even the energy prices we pay to travel, heat our homes etc.
Not the state of the medical system.
None of these are important as long as the people they vote for attack
those they hate.
It takes one of their elected representatives to be caught doing what
they attack, and the party covering it up.
I'd say that this latest thing is just distracting from the real issues, and
the Democrats would have won on those and still can. The Foley story could
even be a diversionary tactic by the true rulers of the right-wing, to make
"Family Values" a major issue. No one knows who or why the skeleton came out
now. I've always thought the GOP were a bunch of queers. That was no secret
to anyone living in Washington, and spending time around the Capitol, as I
did for 20 years. I could tell you a story, but as anecdotal evidnece it
wouldn't mean anything except to someone with a corroborating life
experience. Besides there are plenty of elitists on either side who had
sexual addictions of all sorts. Take for instance someone who goes to Law
School. Nothing to do but read law books and get horny.
They didn't win last time on the real issues.
There has been a successful campaign to get the electorate to think
that whoever you vote for, the government will get in. Couple that
with term limits to get rid of popular incumbents because there's no
other way to get them out.
At the same time there is one group that the Christian Coalition /
religious right manage to bring out in droves.
Using semi-legal tactics like the Sunday sermon being what Christian
central decides it should be, followed by "non-partisan voter guides"
which coincidentally say who voted which way on the issues in the
sermon.
And also legal tactics - it's not a coincidence that there were hot
button issues like definition-of-marriage votes in state houses prior
to the election, etc.
Now about Foley. Of course the leaders wouldn't say anything. They needed to
keep him in office for the service he rendered politically like going on the
Walsh TV show. Once he got to be a high profile family-values guy, outing
him would have brought into question all their hypocrisy. Like why do we
need these fat-cats to tell us what's right and wrong? Someone might have
even wised up to the anti-abortionists' incongruity, of wanting more
children to be born without creating the economic infrastructure to support
fmilies.
It's the only kind of thing which the religious conservatives who
voted in droves, last time, take notice of.
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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08 Oct 2006 03:52:54 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:s02di2tl27fpcljvifrl0021uaki3jbh74@4ax.com...
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:38:49 GMT, "ike milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:mkqci2d30noa63e7t8girlsv2jp5qsvksr@4ax.com...
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 07:40:11 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 08:22:43 -0400, Geoff wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1160133912.967335.149870@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501763_pf.html
Party's Showing in Midterm Elections May Be Hurt as Polls Indicate
Support Dropping in Base
As an unrepentant liberal and lifelong Democrat, I rather hoped they
would
stay with the Republicans and force the moderates to us.
Actually, your best bet is the radical Christianists get disgusted and
stay
home to pout when elections come around...
Unfortunately we've seen what happens when they get out and vote, and
those who pander them while they ignore the real issues and focus on
what they imagine are "family values".
It takes a breach of "family values" by those they support, to upset
them.
Not our troops being killed in an un-necessary and illegal war that
has killed tens of thousands of people who don't even count in their
minds.
Not the weaponry which leaves the environment poisoned and even kills
our own troops after they have returned let alone all the local people
who don't even count.
Not the bankrupting of the country to pay for it.
Not the alienation of the rest of the world due our transparent lies
to them we used as the pretext for the war.
Not the creation of people we have given a reason to hate us.
Not even the energy prices we pay to travel, heat our homes etc.
Not the state of the medical system.
None of these are important as long as the people they vote for attack
those they hate.
It takes one of their elected representatives to be caught doing what
they attack, and the party covering it up.
I'd say that this latest thing is just distracting from the real issues,
and
the Democrats would have won on those and still can. The Foley story
could
even be a diversionary tactic by the true rulers of the right-wing, to
make
"Family Values" a major issue. No one knows who or why the skeleton came
out
now. I've always thought the GOP were a bunch of queers. That was no
secret
to anyone living in Washington, and spending time around the Capitol, as I
did for 20 years. I could tell you a story, but as anecdotal evidnece it
wouldn't mean anything except to someone with a corroborating life
experience. Besides there are plenty of elitists on either side who had
sexual addictions of all sorts. Take for instance someone who goes to Law
School. Nothing to do but read law books and get horny.
They didn't win last time on the real issues.
On the real issues, there was not the negative perception of the
Administration to the degree as now there is. This was due to the successful
deception of the media by the Administration, and the Israeli influence of
the American media. now even more of the Jews are getting cold feet, and
have decided to hang the Administration out to dry. This process will take
time, however, beginning with Democrats gaining control of the House of
Representatives. This is a gradualist approach to "pulling the chestnuts out
of the fire", so to speak. The symbiotic relationship between the Jewish
right wig, and the Evangelical Christians is also about to be scrapped by
the Israeli propaganda machine. They have realized the danger of
anti-Semitism from feeding this reptile.
There has been a successful campaign to get the electorate to think
that whoever you vote for, the government will get in. Couple that
with term limits to get rid of popular incumbents because there's no
other way to get them out.
Please clarify the above statement.
At the same time there is one group that the Christian Coalition /
religious right manage to bring out in droves.
Using semi-legal tactics like the Sunday sermon being what Christian
central decides it should be, followed by "non-partisan voter guides"
which coincidentally say who voted which way on the issues in the
sermon.
This tactic only works when there is a low veter turnout. The voter tunout
will be somewhat higher in 2006.
And also legal tactics - it's not a coincidence that there were hot
button issues like definition-of-marriage votes in state houses prior
to the election, etc.
This issue is getting old.
Now about Foley. Of course the leaders wouldn't say anything. They needed
to
keep him in office for the service he rendered politically like going on
the
Walsh TV show. Once he got to be a high profile family-values guy, outing
him would have brought into question all their hypocrisy. Like why do we
need these fat-cats to tell us what's right and wrong? Someone might have
even wised up to the anti-abortionists' incongruity, of wanting more
children to be born without creating the economic infrastructure to
support
fmilies.
It's the only kind of thing which the religious conservatives who
voted in droves, last time, take notice of.
Question is, how will they react? The issue detracts from the "real issues"
you cited above, which ther Democrats are starting to realize. They are not
so abysmally stupid not to see how limited use the fiasco is to them. Good
thing to have in the background and not to harp on.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening |
08 Oct 2006 02:55:36 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:54:09 -0400, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:38:49 GMT, "ike milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:mkqci2d30noa63e7t8girlsv2jp5qsvksr@4ax.com...
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 07:40:11 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 08:22:43 -0400, Geoff wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1160133912.967335.149870@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501763_pf.html
Party's Showing in Midterm Elections May Be Hurt as Polls Indicate
Support Dropping in Base
As an unrepentant liberal and lifelong Democrat, I rather hoped they
would
stay with the Republicans and force the moderates to us.
Actually, your best bet is the radical Christianists get disgusted and
stay
home to pout when elections come around...
Unfortunately we've seen what happens when they get out and vote, and
those who pander them while they ignore the real issues and focus on
what they imagine are "family values".
It takes a breach of "family values" by those they support, to upset
them.
Not our troops being killed in an un-necessary and illegal war that
has killed tens of thousands of people who don't even count in their
minds.
Not the weaponry which leaves the environment poisoned and even kills
our own troops after they have returned let alone all the local people
who don't even count.
Not the bankrupting of the country to pay for it.
Not the alienation of the rest of the world due our transparent lies
to them we used as the pretext for the war.
Not the creation of people we have given a reason to hate us.
Not even the energy prices we pay to travel, heat our homes etc.
Not the state of the medical system.
None of these are important as long as the people they vote for attack
those they hate.
It takes one of their elected representatives to be caught doing what
they attack, and the party covering it up.
I'd say that this latest thing is just distracting from the real issues, and
the Democrats would have won on those and still can. The Foley story could
even be a diversionary tactic by the true rulers of the right-wing, to make
"Family Values" a major issue. No one knows who or why the skeleton came out
now. I've always thought the GOP were a bunch of queers. That was no secret
to anyone living in Washington, and spending time around the Capitol, as I
did for 20 years. I could tell you a story, but as anecdotal evidnece it
wouldn't mean anything except to someone with a corroborating life
experience. Besides there are plenty of elitists on either side who had
sexual addictions of all sorts. Take for instance someone who goes to Law
School. Nothing to do but read law books and get horny.
They didn't win last time on the real issues.
Well, in part because they haven't been very good at campaigning.
I don't know what the hell has been going on with that party but while
surveys show the bulk of the public agrees with the Democrats on policies
and priorities, the party is determined to be Republican-lite.
I swear, there are serious disconnects between the political class and the
electorate all around...
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Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
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08 Oct 2006 03:52:55 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:54:09 -0400, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:38:49 GMT, "ike milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 07:40:11 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 08:22:43 -0400, Geoff wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1160133912.967335.149870@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501763_pf.html
Party's Showing in Midterm Elections May Be Hurt as Polls Indicate
Support Dropping in Base
As an unrepentant liberal and lifelong Democrat, I rather hoped they
would
stay with the Republicans and force the moderates to us.
Actually, your best bet is the radical Christianists get disgusted and
stay
home to pout when elections come around...
Unfortunately we've seen what happens when they get out and vote, and
those who pander them while they ignore the real issues and focus on
what they imagine are "family values".
It takes a breach of "family values" by those they support, to upset
them.
Not our troops being killed in an un-necessary and illegal war that
has killed tens of thousands of people who don't even count in their
minds.
Not the weaponry which leaves the environment poisoned and even kills
our own troops after they have returned let alone all the local people
who don't even count.
Not the bankrupting of the country to pay for it.
Not the alienation of the rest of the world due our transparent lies
to them we used as the pretext for the war.
Not the creation of people we have given a reason to hate us.
Not even the energy prices we pay to travel, heat our homes etc.
Not the state of the medical system.
None of these are important as long as the people they vote for attack
those they hate.
It takes one of their elected representatives to be caught doing what
they attack, and the party covering it up.
I'd say that this latest thing is just distracting from the real issues,
and
the Democrats would have won on those and still can. The Foley story
could
even be a diversionary tactic by the true rulers of the right-wing, to
make
"Family Values" a major issue. No one knows who or why the skeleton came
out
now. I've always thought the GOP were a bunch of queers. That was no
secret
to anyone living in Washington, and spending time around the Capitol, as
I
did for 20 years. I could tell you a story, but as anecdotal evidnece it
wouldn't mean anything except to someone with a corroborating life
experience. Besides there are plenty of elitists on either side who had
sexual addictions of all sorts. Take for instance someone who goes to Law
School. Nothing to do but read law books and get horny.
They didn't win last time on the real issues.
Well, in part because they haven't been very good at campaigning.
I don't know what the hell has been going on with that party but while
surveys show the bulk of the public agrees with the Democrats on policies
and priorities, the party is determined to be Republican-lite.
I swear, there are serious disconnects between the political class and the
electorate all around...
The Dems seem to be behind the curve in a lot of ways. Chuck Schumer is
running it. The Jews prefer a gradualist approach to undo the damage wrought
by the neo-cons.
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10 Oct 2006 12:44:42 AM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:48:42 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote in alt.atheism
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 07:40:11 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 08:22:43 -0400, Geoff wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1160133912.967335.149870@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501763_pf.html
Party's Showing in Midterm Elections May Be Hurt as Polls Indicate
Support Dropping in Base
As an unrepentant liberal and lifelong Democrat, I rather hoped they would
stay with the Republicans and force the moderates to us.
Actually, your best bet is the radical Christianists get disgusted and stay
home to pout when elections come around...
Unfortunately we've seen what happens when they get out and vote, and
those who pander them while they ignore the real issues and focus on
what they imagine are "family values".
It takes a breach of "family values" by those they support, to upset
them.
Not our troops being killed in an un-necessary and illegal war that
has killed tens of thousands of people who don't even count in their
minds.
Not the weaponry which leaves the environment poisoned and even kills
our own troops after they have returned let alone all the local people
who don't even count.
Not the bankrupting of the country to pay for it.
Not the alienation of the rest of the world due our transparent lies
to them we used as the pretext for the war.
Not the creation of people we have given a reason to hate us.
Not even the energy prices we pay to travel, heat our homes etc.
Not the state of the medical system.
None of these are important as long as the people they vote for attack
those they hate.
It takes one of their elected representatives to be caught doing what
they attack, and the party covering it up.
And that's quite pathetic. :\
Christians love to hate and hate is love.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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06 Oct 2006 12:10:54 PM |
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On 6 Oct 2006 04:25:13 -0700, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501763_pf.html
Party's Showing in Midterm Elections May Be Hurt as Polls Indicate
Support Dropping in Base
By Alan Cooperman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 6, 2006; A06
ANOKA, Minn. -- Lynn Sunde, an evangelical Christian, is considering
what for her is a radical step. Come November, she may vote for a
Democrat for Congress.
Sunde, 35, manages a coffee shop and attends a nondenominational Bible
church. "You're never going to agree with one party on everything, so
for me the key has always been the religion issues -- abortion, the
marriage amendment" to ban same-sex unions, she said.
And this is more important than the economy. the illegal war that is
costing us hundreds of billions we haven't got and apart from
alienating the rest of the world creates more people who actively hate
us, etc?
It's pathetic really.
But it explains why the Democrats need to make a major issue of Foley
and the cover up.
You'll never break through that mentality with everything else.
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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06 Oct 2006 04:38:40 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:5phci2tv8alvan50b16rbj23bq3iklvhtp@4ax.com...
On 6 Oct 2006 04:25:13 -0700, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
GOP's Hold on Evangelicals Weakening
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501763_pf.html
Party's Showing in Midterm Elections May Be Hurt as Polls Indicate
Support Dropping in Base
By Alan Cooperman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 6, 2006; A06
ANOKA, Minn. -- Lynn Sunde, an evangelical Christian, is considering
what for her is a radical step. Come November, she may vote for a
Democrat for Congress.
Sunde, 35, manages a coffee shop and attends a nondenominational Bible
church. "You're never going to agree with one party on everything, so
for me the key has always been the religion issues -- abortion, the
marriage amendment" to ban same-sex unions, she said.
And this is more important than the economy. the illegal war that is
costing us hundreds of billions we haven't got and apart from
alienating the rest of the world creates more people who actively hate
us, etc?
It's pathetic really.
But it explains why the Democrats need to make a major issue of Foley
and the cover up.
You'll never break through that mentality with everything else.
It's not mainly the democrats who are making an issue out of it. The
conservatives are even more pissed about it. You know, it was the Brown
Shirt fags who helped put Hitler in power, and then he executed some of them
when he had the chance.
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06 Oct 2006 05:09:46 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
But it explains why the Democrats need to make a major issue of Foley
and the cover up.
You'll never break through that mentality with everything else.
Not to mention, you haven't actually *got* anything else. A plan,
for instance. Without the Foley issue you'd have nothing at all
to take to the November elections. That's why your guys who
found out about Foley's bad behavior kept it under wraps until now
instead of revealing it a year ago - winning elections trumps
protecting teenagers, right?
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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10 Oct 2006 12:40:24 AM |
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On 6 Oct 2006 10:09:46 -0700, wrote in
alt.atheism
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
But it explains why the Democrats need to make a major issue of Foley
and the cover up.
You'll never break through that mentality with everything else.
Not to mention, you haven't actually *got* anything else. A plan,
for instance. Without the Foley issue you'd have nothing at all
to take to the November elections. That's why your guys who
found out about Foley's bad behavior kept it under wraps until now
instead of revealing it a year ago - winning elections trumps
protecting teenagers, right?
You projecting lying ***** fucking arsehole. ***** on ya.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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10 Oct 2006 09:12:47 PM |
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stoney wrote:
lying
*****
fucking
arsehole
*****
Gee stoney, you've really improved your vocabulary lately.
All spelled correctly too, well done!
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "Kate " |
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08 Oct 2006 07:57:01 PM |
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On 6 Oct 2006 10:09:46 -0700, wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
But it explains why the Democrats need to make a major issue of Foley
and the cover up.
You'll never break through that mentality with everything else.
Not to mention, you haven't actually *got* anything else. A plan,
for instance. Without the Foley issue you'd have nothing at all
to take to the November elections. That's why your guys who
found out about Foley's bad behavior kept it under wraps until now
instead of revealing it a year ago - winning elections trumps
protecting teenagers, right?
Ain't it amazing how so many of you neo cons who keep whining about
this imaginary dem that supposedly knew about this scandal never have
yet managed to come up with a name or a scrap of proof totally
ignoring that this story was shopped around repeatedly by the page who
did out Foley for months now.
I mean - how incredibly corrupt of the dems not to out the repug
corruption until the last minute when the repugs didn't have enough
time to spin it properly before the elections.
my my my....
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09 Oct 2006 01:59:35 PM |
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Kate wrote:
I mean - how incredibly corrupt of the dems not to out the repug
corruption until the last minute
Yes, it would be incredibly corrupt to do that. Only marginally
less corrupt than another group trying to keep it under wraps
until a little later. A pox on Foley, and whoever hid what he
did - on both sides of the aisle. I don't *know* that the
revelation came from political partisanship, it's the timing of
the revelation that makes it very suspicious in that regard.
If you knew that ongoing criminal behavior was going on,
would you conceal it for a year for your own benefit? Would
you do so if you could convince yourself that others were trying
to conceal it for a year and a couple of months? Would others
trying to conceal it forever make it OK for you to conceal it for
a year?
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "Kate " |
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09 Oct 2006 05:32:02 PM |
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On 9 Oct 2006 06:59:35 -0700, wrote:
Kate wrote:
I mean - how incredibly corrupt of the dems not to out the repug
corruption until the last minute
Yes, it would be incredibly corrupt to do that. Only marginally
less corrupt than another group trying to keep it under wraps
until a little later. A pox on Foley, and whoever hid what he
did - on both sides of the aisle. I don't *know* that the
revelation came from political partisanship, it's the timing of
the revelation that makes it very suspicious in that regard.
So you then must be incredibly angry at Hastert and are about to burst
to keep from repeatedly and publically demanding his resignation.
If you knew that ongoing criminal behavior was going on,
would you conceal it for a year for your own benefit? Would
you do so if you could convince yourself that others were trying
to conceal it for a year and a couple of months? Would others
trying to conceal it forever make it OK for you to conceal it for
a year?
No, and the dems didn't do that, the republicans did.
Your point? Or are you trying to tell me that's what you are doing
yourself?
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09 Oct 2006 08:37:45 PM |
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Kate wrote:
On 9 Oct 2006 06:59:35 -0700, wrote:
Kate wrote:
I mean - how incredibly corrupt of the dems not to out the repug
corruption until the last minute
Yes, it would be incredibly corrupt to do that. Only marginally
less corrupt than another group trying to keep it under wraps
until a little later. A pox on Foley, and whoever hid what he
did - on both sides of the aisle. I don't *know* that the
revelation came from political partisanship, it's the timing of
the revelation that makes it very suspicious in that regard.
So you then must be incredibly angry at Hastert and are about to burst
to keep from repeatedly and publically demanding his resignation.
Screaming and fuming at people seems your forte, I'll
leave it to you.
If you knew that ongoing criminal behavior was going on,
would you conceal it for a year for your own benefit? Would
you do so if you could convince yourself that others were trying
to conceal it for a year and a couple of months? Would others
trying to conceal it forever make it OK for you to conceal it for
a year?
No, and the dems didn't do that, the republicans did.
Ah, so you didn't read my questions - or didn't want to
think about them. You want to believe that all Republicans
are unvarnished evil while all Democrats are pure as the
driven snow, and thinking gets in the way of that.
Your point? Or are you trying to tell me that's what you are doing
yourself?
I'm just giving you an opportunity to share your thought
processes with the world. You're doing wonderfully,
by the way.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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06 Oct 2006 07:05:58 PM |
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On 6 Oct 2006 10:09:46 -0700, wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
But it explains why the Democrats need to make a major issue of Foley
and the cover up.
You'll never break through that mentality with everything else.
Not to mention, you haven't actually *got* anything else. A plan,
for instance. Without the Foley issue you'd have nothing at all
to take to the November elections. That's why your guys who
found out about Foley's bad behavior kept it under wraps until now
instead of revealing it a year ago - winning elections trumps
protecting teenagers, right?
I listed the issues. The trouble is that the people who imagine
"family values" trump everything else, couldn't care about our troops
dying in an illegal war, alienating the rest of the world, creating
even more people who hate us, the economy, the price of oil, the state
of health care and all the other things you pretend weren't mentioned.
But then you knew this.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "" |
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06 Oct 2006 08:02:18 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 6 Oct 2006 10:09:46 -0700, wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
But it explains why the Democrats need to make a major issue of Foley
and the cover up.
You'll never break through that mentality with everything else.
Not to mention, you haven't actually *got* anything else. A plan,
for instance. Without the Foley issue you'd have nothing at all
to take to the November elections. That's why your guys who
found out about Foley's bad behavior kept it under wraps until now
instead of revealing it a year ago - winning elections trumps
protecting teenagers, right?
I listed the issues. The trouble is that the people who imagine
"family values" trump everything else,
As if that's the *only* reason people refrain from voting for
your heroes.
couldn't care about our troops dying in an illegal war,
Please list the laws this "illegal war" breaks. Certainly, many
people and many governments don't like this war - but you're
not claiming the war is unpopular, you're claiming this war
is illegal. Please support your claim.
alienating the rest of the world, creating
even more people who hate us,
They loved us so much beforehand that they sent
suicide pilots to our shores years earlier, and blew
up our embassies on a regular basis. I'm not feeling
the love here.
the economy, the price of oil,
So you haven't noticed how much oil India and China
have been buying lately, then? Yes, unrest in the middle
east affects the price of oil - but supply and demand
aren't only words in an economics textbook.
the state of health care and all the other things you
pretend weren't mentioned.
I didn't say they weren't mentioned. I said you didn't
have a plan to do anything about them. Your plan,
as demonstrated by your glee at the Foley follies,
is "get into power by any means necessary". Beyond
that you're a blank.
But then you knew this.
Looks like I knew a lot more than you were prepared
for. Try harder next time.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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