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Religions > Atheism |
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"The Spew Queen" |
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16 Oct 2005 02:26:17 PM |
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Gospel Contradictions |
Contradictions of the Gospels
We are told to accept that Jesus existed based upon the Gospels of the
Bible, yet the Gospels are so poorly written that a logical person is
at best left to ponder if Jesus even existed. The Gospels are
consistently contradictive, filled with mathematic errors and don’t
compliment each other on very important details. This page shall
serve as an example for just how unreliable the Gospels are.
Gospel Contradictions:
1) How many generations were there between Abraham to David? Matthew
1:17 lists fourteen generations. Matthew 1:2 lists thirteen
generations.
2) Is Paul lying? In Acts 20:35 Paul told people "to remember the
words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, 'It is more blessed to give than
to receive.'" Since Jesus never made such a biblical statement, isn’t
Paul guilty of deception?
3) When did the leper become not a leper? (Matthew 8:13 & 8:14)
Jesus healed the leper before visiting the house. (Mark 1:29-30 &
1:40-42) Jesus healed the leper after visiting Simon Peter’s house.
4) Who approached Jesus? (Matthew 8:5-7) The Centurion approached
Jesus, beseeching help for a sick servant. (Luke 7:3 & 7:6-7) The
Centurion did not approach Jesus. He sent friends and elders of the
Jews.
5) Was she dead or just dying? (Matthew 9:18) He asked for help,
saying his daughter was already dead. (Luke 8:41-42) Jairus
approached Jesus for help, because his daughter was dying.
6) Just what did Jesus instruct them to take? (Matthew 10:10) Jesus
instructed them not to take a staff, not to wear sandals. (Mark
6:8-9) Jesus instructed his disciples to wear sandals and take a staff
on their journey.
7) When did John find out Jesus was the Messiah? (Matthew 11:2-3)
While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire
if Jesus was the messiah. (Luke 7:18-22) While imprisoned. John the
Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the Messiah.
(John 1 :29-34,36) John already knew Jesus was the Messiah.
8) Who made the request? (Matthew 20:20-21) Their mother requested
that James and John, Zebedee’s children, should sit beside Jesus in
his Kingdom. (Mark 10:35-37) James and John, Zebedee’s children,
requested that they should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom.
9) What animals were brought to Jesus? (Matthew 21:2-7) two of the
disciples brought Jesus an ***** and a colt from the village of
Bethphage. (Mark 11:2-7) They brought him only a colt.
10) When did the fig tree hear of its doom? (Matthew 21:17-19) Jesus
cursed the fig tree after purging the temple. (Mark 11:14-15 & 20) He
cursed it before the purging.
11) When did the fig tree keel? (Matthew 21:9) The fig tree withered
immediately. and the disciples registered surprise then and there.
(Mark 11:12-14 & 20) The morning after Jesus cursed the fig tree, the
disciples noticed it had withered and expressed astonishment.
12) Was John the Baptist Elias? "This is Elias which was to come."
Matthew 11:14 "And they asked him, what then? Art thou Elias? And he
said I am not." John l:21
13) Who was the father of Joseph? Matthew 1:16 The father of Joseph
was Jacob. Luke 3 :23 The father of Joseph was Heli. Christians
shall try to LIE and tell you that one is the heritage of Mary and the
other Joseph. This is utter *****, the Hebrew and Greek cultures
NEVER regarded the bloodline of the mother. They were patriarchal
societies which only concerned themselves with paternal lineage.
14) How many generations were there from the Babylon captivity to
Christ? Matthew 1:17 Fourteen generations, Matthew 1:12-16 Thirteen
generations.
15) Matthew 2:15, 19 & 21-23 The infant Christ was taken into Egypt.
Luke 2:22 & 39 The infant Christ was NOT taken to Egypt.
16) Matthew 5:1-2 Christ preached his first sermon on the mount. Luke
6:17 & 20 Christ preached his first sermon in the plain.
17) John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee. Mark 1:14 John
was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee. John 1:43 & 3:22-24
18) What was the nationality of the woman who besought Jesus? Matthew
15:22 "And behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and
cried unto him, Have mercy on me, 0 Lord, thou son of David; my
daughter is grievously vexed with a devil." Mark 7:26 "The woman was
a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation, and she besought him that he would
cast forth the devil out of her daughter."
19) How many blind men besought Jesus? Matthew 20:30 Two blind men.
Luke 18:35-38 Only one blind man.
20) Where did the devil take Jesus first? (Matthew 4:5-8) The Devil
took Jesus first to the parapet of the temple, then to a high place to
view all the Kingdoms of the world. (Luke 4:5-9) The Devil took
Jesus first to a high place to view the kingdoms, then to the parapet
of the temple.
21) Can one pray in public? (Matthew 6:5-6) Jesus condemned public
prayer. (1 Timothy 2:8) Paul encouraged public prayer.
22) If we decide to do good works, should those works be seen?
Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men that they may see
your good works." 1 Peter 2:12 "Having your conversation honest
among the Gentiles: that ... they may by your good works, which they
shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation." This
contradicts: Matthew 6:1-4 "Take heed that ye do not your alms before
men, to be seen of them…that thine alms may be in secret." Matthew
23:3-5 "Do not ye after their [Pharisees'] works ... all their works
they do for to be seen of men."
23) Who did Jesus tell the Lord’s Prayer to? (Matthew 5:1, 6:9-13 &
7:28) Jesus delivered the Lord’s Prayer during the Sermon on the Mount
before the multitudes. (Luke 11:1-4) He delivered it before the
disciples alone, and not as part of the Sermon on the Mount.
24) When was Christ crucified? Mark 15:25 "And it was the third hour
and they crucified him." John 19:14-15 "And it was the preparation
of the Passover, and about the sixth hour; and he saith unto the Jews,
Behold your king…Shall I crucify your king?" John 19:14-15.
25) The two thieves reviled Christ. (Matthew 27:44 & Mark 15:32) Only
one of the thieves reviled Christ. Luke 23:39-40.
26) In 1 Corinthians 1:17 ("For Christ sent me [Paul] not to baptize
but to preach the gospel") Paul said Jesus was wrong when he said in
Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing
them…" Clearly one of these people is wrong, either way, it’s a
contradiction.
27) When did Satan enter Judas? Satan entered into Judas while at the
supper. John 13:27 Satan entered Judas before the supper. Luke
23:3-4 & 7
28) How many women came to the sepulcher? John 20:1 Only one woman
went, Mary Magdalene. Matthew 28:1 Mary Magdalene and the "other
Mary" (Jesus’ mother) went.
29) Mark 16:2 It was sunrise when the two women went to the sepulcher.
John 20:1 It was still dark (before sunrise) when Mary Magdalene went
alone to the sepulcher.
30) There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulcher and they
were standing up. Luke 24:4 There was only one angel seen and he was
sitting down. Mark 28:2-5
31) How many angels were within the sepulcher? John 20:11-12 two,
Mark 16:5 one.
32) The Holy Ghost bestowed at Pentecost. Acts 1:5-8 & 2:1-4 The holy
Ghost bestowed before Pentecost. John 20:22
33) Where did Jesus first appear to the eleven disciples? In a room
in Jerusalem. Luke 24:32-37 On a mountain in Galilee. Matthew
28:15-17
34) Where did Christ ascend from? From Mount Olivet. Acts 1:9-12
From Bethany. Luke 24:50-51
35) Can all sins be forgiven? (Acts 13:39) All sins can be forgiven.
Great, I’m happy to know God is so merciful, but wait (Mark 3:29)
Cursing or blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.
36) The Elijah mystery: (Malachi 4:5) Elijah must return before the
final days of the world. (Matthew 11:12-14) Jesus said that John the
Baptist was Elijah. (Matthew 17:12- 13) Jesus insists that Elijah
has already come, and everyone understood him to mean John the
Baptist. (Mark 9:13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come.
(John 1:21) John the Baptist maintained that he was not Elijah.
37) Who purchased the potter’s field? Acts 1:18 The field was
purchased by Judas. John 20:1 The potter’s field was purchased by
the chief priests.
38) Paul’s attendants heard the miraculous voice and stood speechless.
Acts 9:7 Paul’s attendants did not hear the voice and were prostrate.
Acts 22:9 & 26:14
39) Who bought the Sepulcher? Jacob, Josh 24:32 Abraham, Acts 7:16
40) Was it lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death? "The Jews
answered him, we have a law, and by our law he ought to die." John
19:7 "The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to
put any man to death." John 18:31
41) Has anyone ascended up to heaven? Elijah went up to heaven: "And
Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." 2 Kings 2:11 "No man hath
ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, even the son
of man." John 3:13
42) Is scripture inspired by God? "all scripture is given by
inspiration of God." 2 Timothy 3:16 compared to: "But I speak this by
permission and not by commandment." 1 Corinthians 7:6 "But to the
rest speak I, not the Lord." 1 Corinthians 7:12 "That which I speak,
I speak it not after the Lord" 2 Corinthians.
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| User: "Opie" |
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| Title: Re: Gospel Contradictions |
16 Oct 2005 03:44:56 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:26:17 -0400, The Spew Queen
<bark@the.moon.com> wrote:
<> Contradictions of the Gospels
<>
<>
<>
<> We are told to accept that Jesus existed based
upon the Gospels of the
<> Bible, yet the Gospels are so poorly written
that a logical person is
<> at best left to ponder if Jesus even existed.
The Gospels are
<> consistently contradictive, filled with
mathematic errors and don’t
<> compliment each other on very important
details. This page shall
<> serve as an example for just how unreliable the
Gospels are.
<>
<>
<>
<> Gospel Contradictions:
<>
<> 1) How many generations were there between
Abraham to David? Matthew
<> 1:17 lists fourteen generations. Matthew 1:2
lists thirteen
<> generations.
<>
<> 2) Is Paul lying? In Acts 20:35 Paul told
people "to remember the
<> words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, 'It is
more blessed to give than
<> to receive.'" Since Jesus never made such a
biblical statement, isn’t
<> Paul guilty of deception?
<>
<> 3) When did the leper become not a leper?
(Matthew 8:13 & 8:14)
<> Jesus healed the leper before visiting the
house. (Mark 1:29-30 &
<> 1:40-42) Jesus healed the leper after visiting
Simon Peter’s house.
<>
<> 4) Who approached Jesus? (Matthew 8:5-7) The
Centurion approached
<> Jesus, beseeching help for a sick servant.
(Luke 7:3 & 7:6-7) The
<> Centurion did not approach Jesus. He sent
friends and elders of the
<> Jews.
<>
<> 5) Was she dead or just dying? (Matthew 9:18)
He asked for help,
<> saying his daughter was already dead. (Luke
8:41-42) Jairus
<> approached Jesus for help, because his daughter
was dying.
<>
<> 6) Just what did Jesus instruct them to take?
(Matthew 10:10) Jesus
<> instructed them not to take a staff, not to
wear sandals. (Mark
<> 6:8-9) Jesus instructed his disciples to wear
sandals and take a staff
<> on their journey.
<>
<> 7) When did John find out Jesus was the
Messiah? (Matthew 11:2-3)
<> While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent
followers to Jesus to inquire
<> if Jesus was the messiah. (Luke 7:18-22) While
imprisoned. John the
<> Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if
Jesus was the Messiah.
<> (John 1 :29-34,36) John already knew Jesus was
the Messiah.
<>
<> 8) Who made the request? (Matthew 20:20-21)
Their mother requested
<> that James and John, Zebedee’s children, should
sit beside Jesus in
<> his Kingdom. (Mark 10:35-37) James and John,
Zebedee’s children,
<> requested that they should sit beside Jesus in
his Kingdom.
<>
<> 9) What animals were brought to Jesus? (Matthew
21:2-7) two of the
<> disciples brought Jesus an ***** and a colt from
the village of
<> Bethphage. (Mark 11:2-7) They brought him only
a colt.
<>
<> 10) When did the fig tree hear of its doom?
(Matthew 21:17-19) Jesus
<> cursed the fig tree after purging the temple.
(Mark 11:14-15 & 20) He
<> cursed it before the purging.
<>
<> 11) When did the fig tree keel? (Matthew 21:9)
The fig tree withered
<> immediately. and the disciples registered
surprise then and there.
<> (Mark 11:12-14 & 20) The morning after Jesus
cursed the fig tree, the
<> disciples noticed it had withered and expressed
astonishment.
<>
<> 12) Was John the Baptist Elias? "This is Elias
which was to come."
<> Matthew 11:14 "And they asked him, what then?
Art thou Elias? And he
<> said I am not." John l:21
<>
<> 13) Who was the father of Joseph? Matthew 1:16
The father of Joseph
<> was Jacob. Luke 3 :23 The father of Joseph was
Heli. Christians
<> shall try to LIE and tell you that one is the
heritage of Mary and the
<> other Joseph. This is utter *****, the
Hebrew and Greek cultures
<> NEVER regarded the bloodline of the mother.
They were patriarchal
<> societies which only concerned themselves with
paternal lineage.
<>
<> 14) How many generations were there from the
Babylon captivity to
<> Christ? Matthew 1:17 Fourteen generations,
Matthew 1:12-16 Thirteen
<> generations.
<>
<> 15) Matthew 2:15, 19 & 21-23 The infant Christ
was taken into Egypt.
<> Luke 2:22 & 39 The infant Christ was NOT taken
to Egypt.
<>
<> 16) Matthew 5:1-2 Christ preached his first
sermon on the mount. Luke
<> 6:17 & 20 Christ preached his first sermon in
the plain.
<>
<> 17) John was in prison when Jesus went into
Galilee. Mark 1:14 John
<> was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee.
John 1:43 & 3:22-24
<>
<> 18) What was the nationality of the woman who
besought Jesus? Matthew
<> 15:22 "And behold, a woman of Canaan came out
of the same coasts, and
<> cried unto him, Have mercy on me, 0 Lord, thou
son of David; my
<> daughter is grievously vexed with a devil."
Mark 7:26 "The woman was
<> a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation, and she
besought him that he would
<> cast forth the devil out of her daughter."
<>
<> 19) How many blind men besought Jesus? Matthew
20:30 Two blind men.
<> Luke 18:35-38 Only one blind man.
<>
<> 20) Where did the devil take Jesus first?
(Matthew 4:5-8) The Devil
<> took Jesus first to the parapet of the temple,
then to a high place to
<> view all the Kingdoms of the world. (Luke
4:5-9) The Devil took
<> Jesus first to a high place to view the
kingdoms, then to the parapet
<> of the temple.
<>
<> 21) Can one pray in public? (Matthew 6:5-6)
Jesus condemned public
<> prayer. (1 Timothy 2:8) Paul encouraged
public prayer.
<>
<> 22) If we decide to do good works, should those
works be seen?
<> Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before
men that they may see
<> your good works." 1 Peter 2:12 "Having your
conversation honest
<> among the Gentiles: that ... they may by your
good works, which they
<> shall behold, glorify God in the day of
visitation." This
<> contradicts: Matthew 6:1-4 "Take heed that ye
do not your alms before
<> men, to be seen of them…that thine alms may be
in secret." Matthew
<> 23:3-5 "Do not ye after their [Pharisees']
works ... all their works
<> they do for to be seen of men."
<>
<> 23) Who did Jesus tell the Lord’s Prayer to?
(Matthew 5:1, 6:9-13 &
<> 7:28) Jesus delivered the Lord’s Prayer during
the Sermon on the Mount
<> before the multitudes. (Luke 11:1-4) He
delivered it before the
<> disciples alone, and not as part of the Sermon
on the Mount.
<>
<> 24) When was Christ crucified? Mark 15:25 "And
it was the third hour
<> and they crucified him." John 19:14-15 "And
it was the preparation
<> of the Passover, and about the sixth hour; and
he saith unto the Jews,
<> Behold your king…Shall I crucify your king?"
John 19:14-15.
<>
<> 25) The two thieves reviled Christ. (Matthew
27:44 & Mark 15:32) Only
<> one of the thieves reviled Christ. Luke
23:39-40.
<>
<> 26) In 1 Corinthians 1:17 ("For Christ sent me
[Paul] not to baptize
<> but to preach the gospel") Paul said Jesus was
wrong when he said in
<> Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all
nations, baptizing
<> them…" Clearly one of these people is wrong,
either way, it’s a
<> contradiction.
<>
<> 27) When did Satan enter Judas? Satan entered
into Judas while at the
<> supper. John 13:27 Satan entered Judas before
the supper. Luke
<> 23:3-4 & 7
<>
<> 28) How many women came to the sepulcher? John
20:1 Only one woman
<> went, Mary Magdalene. Matthew 28:1 Mary
Magdalene and the "other
<> Mary" (Jesus’ mother) went.
<>
<> 29) Mark 16:2 It was sunrise when the two women
went to the sepulcher.
<> John 20:1 It was still dark (before sunrise)
when Mary Magdalene went
<> alone to the sepulcher.
<>
<> 30) There were two angels seen by the women at
the sepulcher and they
<> were standing up. Luke 24:4 There was only
one angel seen and he was
<> sitting down. Mark 28:2-5
<>
<> 31) How many angels were within the sepulcher?
John 20:11-12 two,
<> Mark 16:5 one.
<>
<> 32) The Holy Ghost bestowed at Pentecost. Acts
1:5-8 & 2:1-4 The holy
<> Ghost bestowed before Pentecost. John 20:22
<>
<> 33) Where did Jesus first appear to the eleven
disciples? In a room
<> in Jerusalem. Luke 24:32-37 On a mountain in
Galilee. Matthew
<> 28:15-17
<>
<> 34) Where did Christ ascend from? From Mount
Olivet. Acts 1:9-12
<> From Bethany. Luke 24:50-51
<>
<> 35) Can all sins be forgiven? (Acts 13:39) All
sins can be forgiven.
<> Great, I’m happy to know God is so merciful,
but wait (Mark 3:29)
<> Cursing or blaspheming the Holy Spirit is
unforgivable.
<>
<> 36) The Elijah mystery: (Malachi 4:5) Elijah
must return before the
<> final days of the world. (Matthew 11:12-14)
Jesus said that John the
<> Baptist was Elijah. (Matthew 17:12- 13) Jesus
insists that Elijah
<> has already come, and everyone understood him
to mean John the
<> Baptist. (Mark 9:13) Jesus insists that
Elijah has already come.
<> (John 1:21) John the Baptist maintained that
he was not Elijah.
<>
<> 37) Who purchased the potter’s field? Acts
1:18 The field was
<> purchased by Judas. John 20:1 The potter’s
field was purchased by
<> the chief priests.
<>
<> 38) Paul’s attendants heard the miraculous
voice and stood speechless.
<> Acts 9:7 Paul’s attendants did not hear the
voice and were prostrate.
<> Acts 22:9 & 26:14
<>
<> 39) Who bought the Sepulcher? Jacob, Josh
24:32 Abraham, Acts 7:16
<>
<> 40) Was it lawful for the Jews to put Christ to
death? "The Jews
<> answered him, we have a law, and by our law he
ought to die." John
<> 19:7 "The Jews therefore said unto him, It is
not lawful for us to
<> put any man to death." John 18:31
<>
<> 41) Has anyone ascended up to heaven? Elijah
went up to heaven: "And
<> Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." 2
Kings 2:11 "No man hath
<> ascended up to heaven but he that came down
from heaven, even the son
<> of man." John 3:13
<>
<> 42) Is scripture inspired by God? "all
scripture is given by
<> inspiration of God." 2 Timothy 3:16 compared
to: "But I speak this by
<> permission and not by commandment." 1
Corinthians 7:6 "But to the
<> rest speak I, not the Lord." 1 Corinthians
7:12 "That which I speak,
<> I speak it not after the Lord" 2 Corinthians.
<>
One would think that, if the bible is inspired by
god, it would be consistant. If it is not
inspired by god, what good is it anyway?
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| User: "Hugh Betcha" |
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| Title: Re: Gospel Contradictions |
16 Oct 2005 04:04:42 PM |
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The Spew Queen wrote:
Contradictions of the Gospels
We are told to accept that Jesus existed based upon the Gospels of the
Bible, yet the Gospels are so poorly written that a logical person is
at best left to ponder if Jesus even existed. The Gospels are
consistently contradictive, filled with mathematic errors and don't
compliment each other on very important details. This page shall
serve as an example for just how unreliable the Gospels are.
Gospel Contradictions:
<snip legalistic rambling>
Oh my God! Are you telling me that the New Testament (written twenty
centuries ago by various different people in many different parts of
the world over a span of some seventy years under official state
persecution drawing from the oral tradition of a largly illiterate
population more than 1500 years before the invention of the printing
press) has TECHNICAL INCONSISTANCIES?!?! Oh No! We've been decieved!
Hugh
Hearby 'The Sarcastic Catholic'
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| User: "York" |
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| Title: Re: Gospel Contradictions |
16 Oct 2005 05:57:22 PM |
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"Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote in message
news:1129496682.258617.282800@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
The Spew Queen wrote:
Contradictions of the Gospels
We are told to accept that Jesus existed based upon the Gospels of the
Bible, yet the Gospels are so poorly written that a logical person is
at best left to ponder if Jesus even existed. The Gospels are
consistently contradictive, filled with mathematic errors and don't
compliment each other on very important details. This page shall
serve as an example for just how unreliable the Gospels are.
Gospel Contradictions:
<snip legalistic rambling>
Oh my God! Are you telling me that the New Testament (written twenty
centuries ago by various different people in many different parts of
the world over a span of some seventy years under official state
persecution drawing from the oral tradition of a largly illiterate
population more than 1500 years before the invention of the printing
press) has TECHNICAL INCONSISTANCIES?!?! Oh No! We've been decieved!
Hugh
Hearby 'The Sarcastic Catholic'
It is sad that there exists an alt.religion.christian newsgroup in the
modern world of science, knowledge, freedom of speech and higher intellect.
On my opinion, there is no room for nonsense religions in the 21st century.
I'm really only reading this group to monitor it i.e. make sure there is no
talk of religious atrocities against "heretics", burning at stakes, or talk
of drowning witches etc. Hey, you might laugh, but the Christians HAVE done
it before !!
I note that this thread is cross posted to alt.atheism ... well all I can
say is: well done to the atheists for using your brains. Although, to be
honest, I'm not terribly sure why an alt.atheism newsgroup exists either ???
because they don't believe in God/gods etc. End of story. What else is
there to say? At least the brainwashed Christian loonies can post nutty
bible verses to each other (interpreting them any way they want i.e. thou
shalt not kill - except when they are "smiting their enemies" (or burning
witches) etc - or when they are turning the other cheek instead of getting
their "eye for an eye" and all that). ROTFL !! And more ROTFL !!.
York
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| User: "Hugh Betcha" |
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17 Oct 2005 08:31:17 AM |
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It is sad that there exists an alt.religion.christian newsgroup in the
modern world of science, knowledge, freedom of speech and higher intellect.
Demand creates supply. Maybe science isn't the be all and end all you
think it is; maybe the human condition transcends facts and figures,
and 'higher intellect' isn't higher at all.
On my opinion, there is no room for nonsense religions in the 21st century.
I'm really only reading this group to monitor it i.e. make sure there is no
talk of religious atrocities against "heretics", burning at stakes, or talk
of drowning witches etc. Hey, you might laugh, but the Christians HAVE done
it before !!
In my opinion, 'science' ie. believing in only what you can render down
to a mathematical equation while blithly ignoring the other 99% of the
universe, is not compatible with the whole human experience. We are
more than the sum of our parts. And don't talk to me about 'burning
heretics' and other crazy stuff done by a few wayward Christians in the
past while the 20th century saw 100 million people die in the name of
offical atheism.
I note that this thread is cross posted to alt.atheism ... well all I can
say is: well done to the atheists for using your brains.
LOL! <snort!> Good one!
Although, to be
honest, I'm not terribly sure why an alt.atheism newsgroup exists either ???
because they don't believe in God/gods etc. End of story. What else is
there to say?
Have you heard that nature abhors a vacuum? That's why atheism is just
as much a belief system as religions; one simply can't believe in
'nothing'
At least the brainwashed Christian loonies can post nutty
bible verses to each other (interpreting them any way they want i.e. thou
shalt not kill - except when they are "smiting their enemies" (or burning
witches) etc - or when they are turning the other cheek instead of getting
their "eye for an eye" and all that). ROTFL !! And more ROTFL !!.
"How long, O naive ones, will you love being simple-minded?
And scoffers delight themselves in scoffing
And fools hate knowledge?"
(Proverbs 1:22)
Ah, well, you can interpret that one yourself.
H.
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| User: "The Voice of Reason" |
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17 Oct 2005 09:42:39 AM |
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On 17 Oct 2005 06:31:17 -0700, "Hugh Betcha"
<gemond@canada.com> wrote:
<>
<>
<> > It is sad that there exists an
alt.religion.christian newsgroup in the
<> > modern world of science, knowledge, freedom
of speech and higher intellect.
<>
<> Demand creates supply. Maybe science isn't the
be all and end all you
<> think it is; maybe the human condition
transcends facts and figures,
<> and 'higher intellect' isn't higher at all.
<>
Who cares about maybes?
<> > On my opinion, there is no room for nonsense
religions in the 21st century.
<> > I'm really only reading this group to monitor
it i.e. make sure there is no
<> > talk of religious atrocities against
"heretics", burning at stakes, or talk
<> > of drowning witches etc. Hey, you might
laugh, but the Christians HAVE done
<> > it before !!
<>
<> In my opinion, 'science' ie. believing in only
what you can render down
<> to a mathematical equation while blithely
ignoring the other 99% of the
<> universe, is not compatible with the whole
human experience.
Well, again, that's your opinion. Noted and put
into the proper bin because there is absolutely
nothing in that pseudo-paragraph that would
support the conclusion you're heading for.
<> We are
<> more than the sum of our parts. And don't talk
to me about 'burning
<> heretics' and other crazy stuff done by a few
wayward Christians in the
<> past while the 20th century saw 100 million
people die in the name of
<> official atheism.
<>
I don't know which 100 million your talking about
since you didn't give an example but, you'd be
very wrong continuing down this road of logic.
Most, if not all, mass killings that I can think
of were religious in nature. Some charismatic
leader enlisted all the religious-lemmings like
yourself to march away into battle. From Africa
to Nazi Germany to Northern Ireland to the USA in
wars past and present -- murders and killings by
the millions were carried out in the name of god
-- not atheisms. Perhaps you could correct this
statement with some sort of fact.
<> > I note that this thread is cross posted to
alt.atheism ... well all I can
<> > say is: well done to the atheists for using
your brains.
<>
<> LOL! <snort!> Good one!
<>
<> > Although, to be
<> > honest, I'm not terribly sure why an
alt.atheism newsgroup exists either ???
<> > because they don't believe in God/gods etc.
End of story. What else is
<> > there to say?
<>
<> Have you heard that nature abhors a vacuum?
That's why atheism is just
<> as much a belief system as religions; one
simply can't believe in
<> 'nothing'
<>
Thank you Sigmond Freud! Most atheists were once
religious and grew out of it. You'll probably
never understand that.
<> > At least the brainwashed Christian loonies
can post nutty
<> > bible verses to each other (interpreting them
any way they want I.e. thou
<> > salt not kill - except when they are "smiting
their enemies" (or burning
<> > witches) etc - or when they are turning the
other cheek instead of getting
<> > their "eye for an eye" and all that). ROTFL
!! And more ROTFL !!.
<>
<> "How long, O naive ones, will you love being
simple-minded?
<> And scoffers delight themselves in scoffing
<> And fools hate knowledge?"
<> (Proverbs 1:22)
<>
Come on, anybody can quote something in the bible
to justify anything they'd like justified. Can
you think of anything at all where this isn't
true? Such logic is mostly what happened with all
those killings you incorrectly blamed on atheists.
<> Ah, well, you can interpret that one yourself.
<>
<> H.
Next time, give your postings a little more
thought and a lot more meat.
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17 Oct 2005 10:23:35 AM |
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<> Demand creates supply. Maybe science isn't the
be all and end all you
<> think it is; maybe the human condition
transcends facts and figures,
<> and 'higher intellect' isn't higher at all.
<>
Who cares about maybes?
Science does. What else is a 'theory'. That's right: a big 'maybe'
<> In my opinion, 'science' ie. believing in only
what you can render down
<> to a mathematical equation while blithely
ignoring the other 99% of the
<> universe, is not compatible with the whole
human experience.
Well, again, that's your opinion. Noted and put
into the proper bin because there is absolutely
nothing in that pseudo-paragraph that would
support the conclusion you're heading for.
Oh, really?
<> We are
<> more than the sum of our parts. And don't talk
to me about 'burning
<> heretics' and other crazy stuff done by a few
wayward Christians in the
<> past while the 20th century saw 100 million
people die in the name of
<> official atheism.
<>
I don't know which 100 million your talking about
since you didn't give an example but, you'd be
very wrong continuing down this road of logic.
Most, if not all, mass killings that I can think
of were religious in nature. Some charismatic
leader enlisted all the religious-lemmings like
yourself to march away into battle. From Africa
to Nazi Germany to Northern Ireland to the USA in
wars past and present -- murders and killings by
the millions were carried out in the name of god
-- not atheisms. Perhaps you could correct this
statement with some sort of fact.
Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot... all oversaw mass murders that eclipse the
'troubles' of Ireland and any other religious inspired killings. It was
atheism that allowed them to commit these atrocities, because it
removes any God-given human rights and dignity from people... the rest
was easy.
<> > I note that this thread is cross posted to
alt.atheism ... well all I can
<> > say is: well done to the atheists for using
your brains.
<>
<> LOL! <snort!> Good one!
<>
<> > Although, to be
<> > honest, I'm not terribly sure why an
alt.atheism newsgroup exists either ???
<> > because they don't believe in God/gods etc.
End of story. What else is
<> > there to say?
<>
<> Have you heard that nature abhors a vacuum?
That's why atheism is just
<> as much a belief system as religions; one
simply can't believe in
<> 'nothing'
<>
Thank you Sigmond Freud! Most atheists were once
religious and grew out of it. You'll probably
never understand that.
My point is valid. Atheists will say: 'it's simply a lack of belief in
God.' that's fair enough, but the statement itself has far reaching
implications. Everybody HAS to have values, beliefs, identity;
religion, or lack of it, influences all these.
<> > At least the brainwashed Christian loonies
can post nutty
<> > bible verses to each other (interpreting them
any way they want I.e. thou
<> > salt not kill - except when they are "smiting
their enemies" (or burning
<> > witches) etc - or when they are turning the
other cheek instead of getting
<> > their "eye for an eye" and all that). ROTFL
!! And more ROTFL !!.
<>
<> "How long, O naive ones, will you love being
simple-minded?
<> And scoffers delight themselves in scoffing
<> And fools hate knowledge?"
<> (Proverbs 1:22)
<>
Come on, anybody can quote something in the bible
to justify anything they'd like justified. Can
you think of anything at all where this isn't
true? Such logic is mostly what happened with all
those killings you incorrectly blamed on atheists.
True enough, there have been those who twisted Biblical verses to
justify some pretty nasty lines of thought. Everybody does it, however.
Look at how 'scientific' statistics are manipulated to prove just about
anything. It's up to the reader to sift through the crap and figure out
what it really means.
<> Ah, well, you can interpret that one yourself.
<>
<> H.
Next time, give your postings a little more
thought and a lot more meat.
Thanks, I'll try to be- uh... 'meatier'
H.
--
"Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night,
God said: 'Let Newton be!', and all was light."
-Alexander Pope
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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17 Oct 2005 07:17:27 PM |
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On 17 Oct 2005 06:31:17 -0700, "Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com>
wrote:
In my opinion, 'science' ie. believing in only what you can render down
to a mathematical equation while blithly ignoring the other 99% of the
Which is of course a stupid strawman.
Science is just about what works objectively.
Feel free to demonstrate that your ad-hoc pseudo-explanations for this
alleged "other 99% of the universe" work at all, let alone just as
well.
universe, is not compatible with the whole human experience. We are
more than the sum of our parts. And don't talk to me about 'burning
heretics' and other crazy stuff done by a few wayward Christians in the
past while the 20th century saw 100 million people die in the name of
offical atheism.
Except that they didn't. Because all atheism is, is a label for what
somebody doesn't belief. It no more motivates or justifies anything
than not believing in Santa Claus does.
But then you already know this because people have taken the trouble
to correct you ever since you have been trolling atheist newsgroups
with this vicious slander.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Gospel Contradictions |
16 Oct 2005 06:04:51 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:57:22 +0100, "York" <123@123.com> wrote:
"Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote in message
news:1129496682.258617.282800@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
The Spew Queen wrote:
Contradictions of the Gospels
We are told to accept that Jesus existed based upon the Gospels of the
Bible, yet the Gospels are so poorly written that a logical person is
at best left to ponder if Jesus even existed. The Gospels are
consistently contradictive, filled with mathematic errors and don't
compliment each other on very important details. This page shall
serve as an example for just how unreliable the Gospels are.
Gospel Contradictions:
<snip legalistic rambling>
Oh my God! Are you telling me that the New Testament (written twenty
centuries ago by various different people in many different parts of
the world over a span of some seventy years under official state
persecution drawing from the oral tradition of a largly illiterate
population more than 1500 years before the invention of the printing
press) has TECHNICAL INCONSISTANCIES?!?! Oh No! We've been decieved!
Hugh
Hearby 'The Sarcastic Catholic'
It is sad that there exists an alt.religion.christian newsgroup in the
modern world of science, knowledge, freedom of speech and higher intellect.
On my opinion, there is no room for nonsense religions in the 21st century.
I'm really only reading this group to monitor it i.e. make sure there is no
talk of religious atrocities against "heretics", burning at stakes, or talk
of drowning witches etc. Hey, you might laugh, but the Christians HAVE done
it before !!
I note that this thread is cross posted to alt.atheism ... well all I can
say is: well done to the atheists for using your brains. Although, to be
honest, I'm not terribly sure why an alt.atheism newsgroup exists either ???
because they don't believe in God/gods etc. End of story. What else is
there to say? At least the brainwashed Christian loonies can post nutty
bible verses to each other (interpreting them any way they want i.e. thou
shalt not kill - except when they are "smiting their enemies" (or burning
witches) etc - or when they are turning the other cheek instead of getting
their "eye for an eye" and all that). ROTFL !! And more ROTFL !!.
It was set up by atheists for atheists to discuss our own issues - of
which there are plenty. Not for religionists whose behaviour is as
inappropriate as a liquor salesman or crack pusher at a recovery
meeting.
Ironically, the majority of theists who post here, are an issue though
their "message" isn't because it's like demanding we justify our
"belief that Captain Kirk doesn't exist".
York
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: Gospel Contradictions |
17 Oct 2005 09:08:23 AM |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:57:22 +0100, "York" <123@123.com> wrote:
"Hugh Betcha" <gemond@canada.com> wrote in message
news:1129496682.258617.282800@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
The Spew Queen wrote:
Contradictions of the Gospels
We are told to accept that Jesus existed based upon the Gospels of the
Bible, yet the Gospels are so poorly written that a logical person is
at best left to ponder if Jesus even existed. The Gospels are
consistently contradictive, filled with mathematic errors and don't
compliment each other on very important details. This page shall
serve as an example for just how unreliable the Gospels are.
Gospel Contradictions:
<snip legalistic rambling>
Oh my God! Are you telling me that the New Testament (written twenty
centuries ago by various different people in many different parts of
the world over a span of some seventy years under official state
persecution drawing from the oral tradition of a largly illiterate
population more than 1500 years before the invention of the printing
press) has TECHNICAL INCONSISTANCIES?!?! Oh No! We've been decieved!
Hugh
Hearby 'The Sarcastic Catholic'
It is sad that there exists an alt.religion.christian newsgroup in the
modern world of science, knowledge, freedom of speech and higher intellect.
On my opinion, there is no room for nonsense religions in the 21st century.
I'm really only reading this group to monitor it i.e. make sure there is no
talk of religious atrocities against "heretics", burning at stakes, or talk
of drowning witches etc. Hey, you might laugh, but the Christians HAVE done
it before !!
I note that this thread is cross posted to alt.atheism ... well all I can
say is: well done to the atheists for using your brains. Although, to be
honest, I'm not terribly sure why an alt.atheism newsgroup exists either ???
because they don't believe in God/gods etc. End of story. What else is
there to say? At least the brainwashed Christian loonies can post nutty
bible verses to each other (interpreting them any way they want i.e. thou
shalt not kill - except when they are "smiting their enemies" (or burning
witches) etc - or when they are turning the other cheek instead of getting
their "eye for an eye" and all that). ROTFL !! And more ROTFL !!.
Not being a believer in a world of believers has implications. How do
we regard marriage, what do we do at a football match when everybody
is asked to stand up and pray, is it right for religion to be taught
in state schools, how to deal with Bible pushers knocking on the door
or accosting us in the street and so on. And of course we must be
eternally vigilant should Christians attempt to further intrude their
religion into our lives We have lots to discuss. Leastways we would if
we got the chance since we are constantly pestered by Christians whose
seem to think we aught to take their sarcasm lies and hate about us
lying down. You should see how they bleat and cry foul when we answer
back and ask then awkward questions such as, 'how do you know what you
say' or, 'where is the evidence'. The latter is guaranteed to flummox
'em. They are so easy to shuggle that we stick around here for the
fun.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| User: "Opie" |
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| Title: Re: Re: Gospel Contradictions |
16 Oct 2005 05:08:05 PM |
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On 16 Oct 2005 14:04:42 -0700, "Hugh Betcha"
<gemond@canada.com> wrote:
<> The Spew Queen wrote:
<> > Contradictions of the Gospels
<> >
<> >
<> >
<> > We are told to accept that Jesus existed
based upon the Gospels of the
<> > Bible, yet the Gospels are so poorly written
that a logical person is
<> > at best left to ponder if Jesus even existed.
The Gospels are
<> > consistently contradictive, filled with
mathematic errors and don't
<> > compliment each other on very important
details. This page shall
<> > serve as an example for just how unreliable
the Gospels are.
<> >
<> >
<> >
<> > Gospel Contradictions:
<> >
<> <snip legalistic rambling>
<>
<> Oh my God! Are you telling me that the New
Testament (written twenty
<> centuries ago by various different people in
many different parts of
<> the world over a span of some seventy years
under official state
<> persecution drawing from the oral tradition of
a largly illiterate
<> population more than 1500 years before the
invention of the printing
<> press) has TECHNICAL INCONSISTANCIES?!?! Oh No!
We've been decieved!
<>
<> Hugh
<> Hearby 'The Sarcastic Catholic'
You mean poorly inspired by god?
Or, are you implying that god didn't guide the
hands of the writers to insure nothing in his
precious word would be left to chance?
Either way, what good is a book that isn't
consistent for any reason? Hell, Harry Potter is
better reading and has more magic.
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| User: "" |
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17 Oct 2005 09:37:32 AM |
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The Spew Queen wrote:
Contradictions of the Gospels
We are told to accept that Jesus existed based upon the Gospels of the
Bible, yet the Gospels are so poorly written that a logical person is
at best left to ponder if Jesus even existed. The Gospels are
consistently contradictive, filled with mathematic errors and don't
compliment each other on very important details. This page shall
serve as an example for just how unreliable the Gospels are.
Gospel Contradictions:
There is BUT one GOSPEL and it has no contradiction.
Some humans canonized the Act of the Messiah/Christ
and named their edition Gospels.
There is a difference
1) How many generations were there between Abraham to David? Matthew
1:17 lists fourteen generations. Matthew 1:2 lists thirteen
generations.
2) Is Paul lying? In Acts 20:35 Paul told people "to remember the
words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, 'It is more blessed to give than
to receive.'" Since Jesus never made such a biblical statement, isn't
Paul guilty of deception?
3) When did the leper become not a leper? (Matthew 8:13 & 8:14)
Jesus healed the leper before visiting the house. (Mark 1:29-30 &
1:40-42) Jesus healed the leper after visiting Simon Peter's house.
4) Who approached Jesus? (Matthew 8:5-7) The Centurion approached
Jesus, beseeching help for a sick servant. (Luke 7:3 & 7:6-7) The
Centurion did not approach Jesus. He sent friends and elders of the
Jews.
5) Was she dead or just dying? (Matthew 9:18) He asked for help,
saying his daughter was already dead. (Luke 8:41-42) Jairus
approached Jesus for help, because his daughter was dying.
6) Just what did Jesus instruct them to take? (Matthew 10:10) Jesus
instructed them not to take a staff, not to wear sandals. (Mark
6:8-9) Jesus instructed his disciples to wear sandals and take a staff
on their journey.
7) When did John find out Jesus was the Messiah? (Matthew 11:2-3)
While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire
if Jesus was the messiah. (Luke 7:18-22) While imprisoned. John the
Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the Messiah.
(John 1 :29-34,36) John already knew Jesus was the Messiah.
8) Who made the request? (Matthew 20:20-21) Their mother requested
that James and John, Zebedee's children, should sit beside Jesus in
his Kingdom. (Mark 10:35-37) James and John, Zebedee's children,
requested that they should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom.
9) What animals were brought to Jesus? (Matthew 21:2-7) two of the
disciples brought Jesus an ***** and a colt from the village of
Bethphage. (Mark 11:2-7) They brought him only a colt.
10) When did the fig tree hear of its doom? (Matthew 21:17-19) Jesus
cursed the fig tree after purging the temple. (Mark 11:14-15 & 20) He
cursed it before the purging.
11) When did the fig tree keel? (Matthew 21:9) The fig tree withered
immediately. and the disciples registered surprise then and there.
(Mark 11:12-14 & 20) The morning after Jesus cursed the fig tree, the
disciples noticed it had withered and expressed astonishment.
12) Was John the Baptist Elias? "This is Elias which was to come."
Matthew 11:14 "And they asked him, what then? Art thou Elias? And he
said I am not." John l:21
13) Who was the father of Joseph? Matthew 1:16 The father of Joseph
was Jacob. Luke 3 :23 The father of Joseph was Heli. Christians
shall try to LIE and tell you that one is the heritage of Mary and the
other Joseph. This is utter *****, the Hebrew and Greek cultures
NEVER regarded the bloodline of the mother. They were patriarchal
societies which only concerned themselves with paternal lineage.
14) How many generations were there from the Babylon captivity to
Christ? Matthew 1:17 Fourteen generations, Matthew 1:12-16 Thirteen
generations.
15) Matthew 2:15, 19 & 21-23 The infant Christ was taken into Egypt.
Luke 2:22 & 39 The infant Christ was NOT taken to Egypt.
16) Matthew 5:1-2 Christ preached his first sermon on the mount. Luke
6:17 & 20 Christ preached his first sermon in the plain.
17) John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee. Mark 1:14 John
was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee. John 1:43 & 3:22-24
18) What was the nationality of the woman who besought Jesus? Matthew
15:22 "And behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and
cried unto him, Have mercy on me, 0 Lord, thou son of David; my
daughter is grievously vexed with a devil." Mark 7:26 "The woman was
a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation, and she besought him that he would
cast forth the devil out of her daughter."
19) How many blind men besought Jesus? Matthew 20:30 Two blind men.
Luke 18:35-38 Only one blind man.
20) Where did the devil take Jesus first? (Matthew 4:5-8) The Devil
took Jesus first to the parapet of the temple, then to a high place to
view all the Kingdoms of the world. (Luke 4:5-9) The Devil took
Jesus first to a high place to view the kingdoms, then to the parapet
of the temple.
21) Can one pray in public? (Matthew 6:5-6) Jesus condemned public
prayer. (1 Timothy 2:8) Paul encouraged public prayer.
22) If we decide to do good works, should those works be seen?
Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men that they may see
your good works." 1 Peter 2:12 "Having your conversation honest
among the Gentiles: that ... they may by your good works, which they
shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation." This
contradicts: Matthew 6:1-4 "Take heed that ye do not your alms before
men, to be seen of them...that thine alms may be in secret." Matthew
23:3-5 "Do not ye after their [Pharisees'] works ... all their works
they do for to be seen of men."
23) Who did Jesus tell the Lord's Prayer to? (Matthew 5:1, 6:9-13 &
7:28) Jesus delivered the Lord's Prayer during the Sermon on the Mount
before the multitudes. (Luke 11:1-4) He delivered it before the
disciples alone, and not as part of the Sermon on the Mount.
24) When was Christ crucified? Mark 15:25 "And it was the third hour
and they crucified him." John 19:14-15 "And it was the preparation
of the Passover, and about the sixth hour; and he saith unto the Jews,
Behold your king...Shall I crucify your king?" John 19:14-15.
25) The two thieves reviled Christ. (Matthew 27:44 & Mark 15:32) Only
one of the thieves reviled Christ. Luke 23:39-40.
26) In 1 Corinthians 1:17 ("For Christ sent me [Paul] not to baptize
but to preach the gospel") Paul said Jesus was wrong when he said in
Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing
them..." Clearly one of these people is wrong, either way, it's a
contradiction.
27) When did Satan enter Judas? Satan entered into Judas while at the
supper. John 13:27 Satan entered Judas before the supper. Luke
23:3-4 & 7
28) How many women came to the sepulcher? John 20:1 Only one woman
went, Mary Magdalene. Matthew 28:1 Mary Magdalene and the "other
Mary" (Jesus' mother) went.
29) Mark 16:2 It was sunrise when the two women went to the sepulcher.
John 20:1 It was still dark (before sunrise) when Mary Magdalene went
alone to the sepulcher.
30) There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulcher and they
were standing up. Luke 24:4 There was only one angel seen and he was
sitting down. Mark 28:2-5
31) How many angels were within the sepulcher? John 20:11-12 two,
Mark 16:5 one.
32) The Holy Ghost bestowed at Pentecost. Acts 1:5-8 & 2:1-4 The holy
Ghost bestowed before Pentecost. John 20:22
33) Where did Jesus first appear to the eleven disciples? In a room
in Jerusalem. Luke 24:32-37 On a mountain in Galilee. Matthew
28:15-17
34) Where did Christ ascend from? From Mount Olivet. Acts 1:9-12
From Bethany. Luke 24:50-51
35) Can all sins be forgiven? (Acts 13:39) All sins can be forgiven.
Great, I'm happy to know God is so merciful, but wait (Mark 3:29)
Cursing or blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.
36) The Elijah mystery: (Malachi 4:5) Elijah must return before the
final days of the world. (Matthew 11:12-14) Jesus said that John the
Baptist was Elijah. (Matthew 17:12- 13) Jesus insists that Elijah
has already come, and everyone understood him to mean John the
Baptist. (Mark 9:13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come.
(John 1:21) John the Baptist maintained that he was not Elijah.
37) Who purchased the potter's field? Acts 1:18 The field was
purchased by Judas. John 20:1 The potter's field was purchased by
the chief priests.
38) Paul's attendants heard the miraculous voice and stood speechless.
Acts 9:7 Paul's attendants did not hear the voice and were prostrate.
Acts 22:9 & 26:14
39) Who bought the Sepulcher? Jacob, Josh 24:32 Abraham, Acts 7:16
40) Was it lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death? "The Jews
answered him, we have a law, and by our law he ought to die." John
19:7 "The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to
put any man to death." John 18:31
41) Has anyone ascended up to heaven? Elijah went up to heaven: "And
Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." 2 Kings 2:11 "No man hath
ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, even the son
of man." John 3:13
42) Is scripture inspired by God? "all scripture is given by
inspiration of God." 2 Timothy 3:16 compared to: "But I speak this by
permission and not by commandment." 1 Corinthians 7:6 "But to the
rest speak I, not the Lord." 1 Corinthians 7:12 "That which I speak,
I speak it not after the Lord" 2 Corinthians.
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| User: "Horai" |
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| Title: Re: Gospel Contradictions |
16 Oct 2005 04:56:57 PM |
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The Spew Queen wrote:
Contradictions of the Gospels
2) Is Paul lying? In Acts 20:35 Paul told people "to remember the
words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, 'It is more blessed to give than
to receive.'" Since Jesus never made such a biblical statement, isn’t
Paul guilty of deception?
In another post you claim that Jesus never existed. Therefore what
evidence do you have that there was an Apostle Paul?
This kills everything else you asked.
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