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User: "maff"
Date: 06 Apr 2006 02:45:53 PM
Object: 'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years
'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/06/science/06cnd-judas.html?ei=5094&en=d58e9f87384d906d&hp=&ex=1144382400&partner=homepage&pagewanted=all
By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD and LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: April 6, 2006
An early Christian manuscript, including the only known text of what is
known as the Gospel of Judas, has surfaced after 1,700 years. The text
gives new insights into the relationship of Jesus and the disciple who
betrayed him, scholars reported today. In this version, Jesus asked
Judas, as a close friend, to sell him out to the authorities, telling
Judas he will "exceed" the other disciples by doing so.
Though some theologians have hypothesized this, scholars who have
studied the new-found text said, this is the first time an ancient
document defends the idea.
.

User: "johac"

Title: Re: 'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years 07 Apr 2006 01:20:58 AM
In article <1144352753.317757.318160@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:

'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/06/science/06cnd-judas.html?ei=5094&en=d58e9f87
384d906d&hp=&ex=1144382400&partner=homepage&pagewanted=all

By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD and LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: April 6, 2006

An early Christian manuscript, including the only known text of what is
known as the Gospel of Judas, has surfaced after 1,700 years. The text
gives new insights into the relationship of Jesus and the disciple who
betrayed him, scholars reported today. In this version, Jesus asked
Judas, as a close friend, to sell him out to the authorities, telling
Judas he will "exceed" the other disciples by doing so.

Though some theologians have hypothesized this, scholars who have
studied the new-found text said, this is the first time an ancient
document defends the idea.

So after all this time, Judas finally hired a new spin doctor?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
User: "A-Meister"

Title: Re: 'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years 07 Apr 2006 03:24:57 AM
johac wrote:

In article <1144352753.317757.318160@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:


'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/06/science/06cnd-judas.html?ei=5094&en=d58e9f87
384d906d&hp=&ex=1144382400&partner=homepage&pagewanted=all

By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD and LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: April 6, 2006

An early Christian manuscript, including the only known text of what is
known as the Gospel of Judas, has surfaced after 1,700 years. The text
gives new insights into the relationship of Jesus and the disciple who
betrayed him, scholars reported today. In this version, Jesus asked
Judas, as a close friend, to sell him out to the authorities, telling
Judas he will "exceed" the other disciples by doing so.

Though some theologians have hypothesized this, scholars who have
studied the new-found text said, this is the first time an ancient
document defends the idea.


So after all this time, Judas finally hired a new spin doctor?

Yeah.
He borrowed them from the Bush administration.
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: 'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years 08 Apr 2006 12:44:23 AM
In article <94SdnWfL0JZEvKvZnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@adelphia.com>,
A-Meister <a@meister.net> wrote:

johac wrote:

In article <1144352753.317757.318160@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:


'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/06/science/06cnd-judas.html?ei=5094&en=d58e9f
87
384d906d&hp=&ex=1144382400&partner=homepage&pagewanted=all

By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD and LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: April 6, 2006

An early Christian manuscript, including the only known text of what is
known as the Gospel of Judas, has surfaced after 1,700 years. The text
gives new insights into the relationship of Jesus and the disciple who
betrayed him, scholars reported today. In this version, Jesus asked
Judas, as a close friend, to sell him out to the authorities, telling
Judas he will "exceed" the other disciples by doing so.

Though some theologians have hypothesized this, scholars who have
studied the new-found text said, this is the first time an ancient
document defends the idea.


So after all this time, Judas finally hired a new spin doctor?


Yeah.

He borrowed them from the Bush administration.

So that's what happened to Ari Fleischer!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
User: "A-Meister"

Title: Re: 'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years 08 Apr 2006 04:29:58 AM
johac wrote:

In article <94SdnWfL0JZEvKvZnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@adelphia.com>,
A-Meister <a@meister.net> wrote:


johac wrote:


In article <1144352753.317757.318160@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:



'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/06/science/06cnd-judas.html?ei=5094&en=d58e9f
87
384d906d&hp=&ex=1144382400&partner=homepage&pagewanted=all

By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD and LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: April 6, 2006

An early Christian manuscript, including the only known text of what is
known as the Gospel of Judas, has surfaced after 1,700 years. The text
gives new insights into the relationship of Jesus and the disciple who
betrayed him, scholars reported today. In this version, Jesus asked
Judas, as a close friend, to sell him out to the authorities, telling
Judas he will "exceed" the other disciples by doing so.

Though some theologians have hypothesized this, scholars who have
studied the new-found text said, this is the first time an ancient
document defends the idea.


So after all this time, Judas finally hired a new spin doctor?


Yeah.

He borrowed them from the Bush administration.


So that's what happened to Ari Fleischer!

Heh. How 'bout that spin, after all: "Gee, if the
president leaked classified information it's not
classified anymore, and therefore not a leak."
Translation: "If you leak something I don't want
people to know, it's a leak. If I leak something
I want people to know, it's not a leak."
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: 'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years 09 Apr 2006 12:36:41 AM
In article <c9idnWOQZ9kLH6rZRVn-ug@adelphia.com>,
A-Meister <a@meister.net> wrote:

johac wrote:

In article <94SdnWfL0JZEvKvZnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@adelphia.com>,
A-Meister <a@meister.net> wrote:


johac wrote:


In article <1144352753.317757.318160@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:



'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/06/science/06cnd-judas.html?ei=5094&en=d58e
9f
87
384d906d&hp=&ex=1144382400&partner=homepage&pagewanted=all

By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD and LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: April 6, 2006

An early Christian manuscript, including the only known text of what is
known as the Gospel of Judas, has surfaced after 1,700 years. The text
gives new insights into the relationship of Jesus and the disciple who
betrayed him, scholars reported today. In this version, Jesus asked
Judas, as a close friend, to sell him out to the authorities, telling
Judas he will "exceed" the other disciples by doing so.

Though some theologians have hypothesized this, scholars who have
studied the new-found text said, this is the first time an ancient
document defends the idea.


So after all this time, Judas finally hired a new spin doctor?


Yeah.

He borrowed them from the Bush administration.


So that's what happened to Ari Fleischer!


Heh. How 'bout that spin, after all: "Gee, if the
president leaked classified information it's not
classified anymore, and therefore not a leak."

Translation: "If you leak something I don't want
people to know, it's a leak. If I leak something
I want people to know, it's not a leak."

"It's not a leak if I say it isn't" Actually he's following historical
precedent:
"When the President does it, that means that it's not illegal."
Richard M. Nixon
"It is legal because I wish it."
Louis XIV
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
User: "A-Meister"

Title: Re: 'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years 09 Apr 2006 01:25:00 AM
johac wrote:

In article <c9idnWOQZ9kLH6rZRVn-ug@adelphia.com>,
A-Meister <a@meister.net> wrote:


johac wrote:

In article <94SdnWfL0JZEvKvZnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@adelphia.com>,
A-Meister <a@meister.net> wrote:



johac wrote:



In article <1144352753.317757.318160@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:




'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/06/science/06cnd-judas.html?ei=5094&en=d58e
9f
87
384d906d&hp=&ex=1144382400&partner=homepage&pagewanted=all

By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD and LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: April 6, 2006

An early Christian manuscript, including the only known text of what is
known as the Gospel of Judas, has surfaced after 1,700 years. The text
gives new insights into the relationship of Jesus and the disciple who
betrayed him, scholars reported today. In this version, Jesus asked
Judas, as a close friend, to sell him out to the authorities, telling
Judas he will "exceed" the other disciples by doing so.

Though some theologians have hypothesized this, scholars who have
studied the new-found text said, this is the first time an ancient
document defends the idea.


So after all this time, Judas finally hired a new spin doctor?


Yeah.

He borrowed them from the Bush administration.


So that's what happened to Ari Fleischer!


Heh. How 'bout that spin, after all: "Gee, if the
president leaked classified information it's not
classified anymore, and therefore not a leak."

Translation: "If you leak something I don't want
people to know, it's a leak. If I leak something
I want people to know, it's not a leak."



"It's not a leak if I say it isn't" Actually he's following historical
precedent:

"When the President does it, that means that it's not illegal."

Richard M. Nixon

"It is legal because I wish it."

Louis XIV

"Define 'sex'?"
Clinton
(Although, for the record, I think screwing
an entire nation is much worse than screwing
an intern)
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: 'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years 09 Apr 2006 11:36:09 PM
In article <25qdnRZxVb8hNaXZnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@adelphia.com>,
A-Meister <a@meister.net> wrote:

johac wrote:

In article <c9idnWOQZ9kLH6rZRVn-ug@adelphia.com>,
A-Meister <a@meister.net> wrote:


johac wrote:

In article <94SdnWfL0JZEvKvZnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@adelphia.com>,
A-Meister <a@meister.net> wrote:



johac wrote:



In article <1144352753.317757.318160@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:




'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/06/science/06cnd-judas.html?ei=5094&en=d5
8e
9f
87
384d906d&hp=&ex=1144382400&partner=homepage&pagewanted=all

By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD and LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: April 6, 2006

An early Christian manuscript, including the only known text of what is
known as the Gospel of Judas, has surfaced after 1,700 years. The text
gives new insights into the relationship of Jesus and the disciple who
betrayed him, scholars reported today. In this version, Jesus asked
Judas, as a close friend, to sell him out to the authorities, telling
Judas he will "exceed" the other disciples by doing so.

Though some theologians have hypothesized this, scholars who have
studied the new-found text said, this is the first time an ancient
document defends the idea.


So after all this time, Judas finally hired a new spin doctor?


Yeah.

He borrowed them from the Bush administration.


So that's what happened to Ari Fleischer!


Heh. How 'bout that spin, after all: "Gee, if the
president leaked classified information it's not
classified anymore, and therefore not a leak."

Translation: "If you leak something I don't want
people to know, it's a leak. If I leak something
I want people to know, it's not a leak."



"It's not a leak if I say it isn't" Actually he's following historical
precedent:

"When the President does it, that means that it's not illegal."

Richard M. Nixon

"It is legal because I wish it."

Louis XIV


"Define 'sex'?"

Clinton

(Although, for the record, I think screwing
an entire nation is much worse than screwing
an intern)

I'll agree with that.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
User: "A-Meister"

Title: Re: 'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years 10 Apr 2006 12:09:26 AM
johac wrote:

In article <25qdnRZxVb8hNaXZnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@adelphia.com>,
A-Meister <a@meister.net> wrote:


johac wrote:

In article <c9idnWOQZ9kLH6rZRVn-ug@adelphia.com>,
A-Meister <a@meister.net> wrote:



johac wrote:


In article <94SdnWfL0JZEvKvZnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@adelphia.com>,
A-Meister <a@meister.net> wrote:




johac wrote:




In article <1144352753.317757.318160@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:





'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/06/science/06cnd-judas.html?ei=5094&en=d5
8e
9f
87
384d906d&hp=&ex=1144382400&partner=homepage&pagewanted=all

By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD and LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: April 6, 2006

An early Christian manuscript, including the only known text of what is
known as the Gospel of Judas, has surfaced after 1,700 years. The text
gives new insights into the relationship of Jesus and the disciple who
betrayed him, scholars reported today. In this version, Jesus asked
Judas, as a close friend, to sell him out to the authorities, telling
Judas he will "exceed" the other disciples by doing so.

Though some theologians have hypothesized this, scholars who have
studied the new-found text said, this is the first time an ancient
document defends the idea.


So after all this time, Judas finally hired a new spin doctor?


Yeah.

He borrowed them from the Bush administration.


So that's what happened to Ari Fleischer!


Heh. How 'bout that spin, after all: "Gee, if the
president leaked classified information it's not
classified anymore, and therefore not a leak."

Translation: "If you leak something I don't want
people to know, it's a leak. If I leak something
I want people to know, it's not a leak."



"It's not a leak if I say it isn't" Actually he's following historical
precedent:

"When the President does it, that means that it's not illegal."

Richard M. Nixon

"It is legal because I wish it."

Louis XIV


"Define 'sex'?"

Clinton

(Although, for the record, I think screwing
an entire nation is much worse than screwing
an intern)


I'll agree with that.

I like Bush's latest: "It's only classified
until I leak it, then it becomes unclassified,
by definition." I'm paraphrasing, obviously,
but you get the drift.
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: 'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years 10 Apr 2006 11:35:43 PM
In article <SOmdnXL5ZtIbdaTZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@adelphia.com>,
A-Meister <a@meister.net> wrote:

johac wrote:

In article <25qdnRZxVb8hNaXZnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@adelphia.com>,
A-Meister <a@meister.net> wrote:


johac wrote:

In article <c9idnWOQZ9kLH6rZRVn-ug@adelphia.com>,
A-Meister <a@meister.net> wrote:



johac wrote:


In article <94SdnWfL0JZEvKvZnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@adelphia.com>,
A-Meister <a@meister.net> wrote:




johac wrote:




In article <1144352753.317757.318160@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:





'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/06/science/06cnd-judas.html?ei=5094&en=
d5
8e
9f
87
384d906d&hp=&ex=1144382400&partner=homepage&pagewanted=all

By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD and LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: April 6, 2006

An early Christian manuscript, including the only known text of what
is
known as the Gospel of Judas, has surfaced after 1,700 years. The
text
gives new insights into the relationship of Jesus and the disciple
who
betrayed him, scholars reported today. In this version, Jesus asked
Judas, as a close friend, to sell him out to the authorities, telling
Judas he will "exceed" the other disciples by doing so.

Though some theologians have hypothesized this, scholars who have
studied the new-found text said, this is the first time an ancient
document defends the idea.


So after all this time, Judas finally hired a new spin doctor?


Yeah.

He borrowed them from the Bush administration.


So that's what happened to Ari Fleischer!


Heh. How 'bout that spin, after all: "Gee, if the
president leaked classified information it's not
classified anymore, and therefore not a leak."

Translation: "If you leak something I don't want
people to know, it's a leak. If I leak something
I want people to know, it's not a leak."



"It's not a leak if I say it isn't" Actually he's following historical
precedent:

"When the President does it, that means that it's not illegal."

Richard M. Nixon

"It is legal because I wish it."

Louis XIV


"Define 'sex'?"

Clinton

(Although, for the record, I think screwing
an entire nation is much worse than screwing
an intern)


I'll agree with that.


I like Bush's latest: "It's only classified
until I leak it, then it becomes unclassified,
by definition." I'm paraphrasing, obviously,
but you get the drift.

I get it. I only wish more would.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
User: "A-Meister"

Title: Re: 'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years 11 Apr 2006 12:07:50 AM
johac wrote:

In article <SOmdnXL5ZtIbdaTZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@adelphia.com>,
A-Meister <a@meister.net> wrote:

(snip)

I like Bush's latest: "It's only classified
until I leak it, then it becomes unclassified,
by definition." I'm paraphrasing, obviously,
but you get the drift.


I get it. I only wish more would.

Worse yet:
"I believe in the Constitution, it's just that
it says that during a time of war I can suspend
it because I'm president. Since the "war on
terror" will go on indefinitely, (because I say
so), I can suspend the Constitution indefinitely,
but hey, I do believe in the Constitution. I
really really do. Just ask me."
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: 'Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years 12 Apr 2006 12:01:49 AM
In article <daadndPjJew1pKbZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@adelphia.com>,
A-Meister <a@meister.net> wrote:

johac wrote:

In article <SOmdnXL5ZtIbdaTZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@adelphia.com>,
A-Meister <a@meister.net> wrote:


(snip)

I like Bush's latest: "It's only classified
until I leak it, then it becomes unclassified,
by definition." I'm paraphrasing, obviously,
but you get the drift.


I get it. I only wish more would.


Worse yet:

"I believe in the Constitution, it's just that
it says that during a time of war I can suspend
it because I'm president. Since the "war on
terror" will go on indefinitely, (because I say
so), I can suspend the Constitution indefinitely,
but hey, I do believe in the Constitution. I
really really do. Just ask me."

IOW: "I'm the president and i can do what I want".
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.












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