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14 Feb 2004 02:51:14 AM |
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Got Demons? Who ya gonna call? |
Demon Busters! Or maybe that's what this group, the "anti-Satan pool",
should call itself.
http://tinyurl.com/26gjy
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Doctors, Priests Form Exorcism Commission
Fri Feb 13, 8:09 AM ET
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ROME (Reuters) - Faced with growing demand for exorcisms, Catholic
Church leaders in the Italian city of Genoa have created a taskforce of
doctors and priests to determine when the devil is at work and when
psychiatric help is needed.
The team of three priests, one psychiatrist, one psychologist and one
neurologist -- dubbed the "anti-Satan pool" by Italian media -- will
work on a case-by-case basis, a local church official said in a
telephone interview on Thursday.
"They'll meet on a regular basis to determine when there has been a case
of demonic possession and call for an exorcist, or problems better cared
for by a psychologist," said the official, who asked not to be named.
For Catholics, exorcism is the casting out of what is believed to be an
evil spirit through prayer and the laying on of hands.
One of the church's leading exorcists praised the initiative, saying
medical experts are needed to rule out mental problems before spiritual
work can begin.
"I never accept anyone who arrives without a medical certificate,"
Father Gabriele Amorth told Corriere della Sera newspaper.
The Genoa taskforce was created by Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone.
The official Catholic exorcism starts with prayers, the blessing and
sprinkling of holy water, the laying of hands on the possessed, and the
making of the sign of the cross.
It ends with the priest commanding the devil to leave the possessed
person.
While the church does not often talk openly about exorcisms, Bertone
said the need for them is there.
"It has become difficult to talk about Satan, but the signs of the devil
are palpable," he told Corriere della Sera in comments published
Thursday.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=2&u=/nm/20
040213/od_nm/italy_exorcism_dc
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, bit in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Martin Thomas" |
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16 Feb 2004 11:12:20 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:51:14 -0800 in alt.atheism
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote:
Demon Busters! Or maybe that's what this group, the "anti-Satan pool",
should call itself.
http://tinyurl.com/26gjy
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Doctors, Priests Form Exorcism Commission
Fri Feb 13, 8:09 AM ET
Add Oddly Enough - Reuters to My Yahoo!
ROME (Reuters) - Faced with growing demand for exorcisms, Catholic
Church leaders in the Italian city of Genoa have created a taskforce of
doctors and priests to determine when the devil is at work and when
psychiatric help is needed.
The team of three priests, one psychiatrist, one psychologist and one
neurologist -- dubbed the "anti-Satan pool" by Italian media -- will
work on a case-by-case basis, a local church official said in a
telephone interview on Thursday.
"They'll meet on a regular basis to determine when there has been a case
of demonic possession and call for an exorcist, or problems better cared
for by a psychologist," said the official, who asked not to be named.
What do they do if someone is possessed by a mentally ill demon?
[Snip]
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Martin Thomas
Official "Teddy Bear" Atheist
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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| User: "raven1" |
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14 Feb 2004 11:03:51 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:51:14 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
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ROME (Reuters) - Faced with growing demand for exorcisms, Catholic
Church leaders in the Italian city of Genoa have created a taskforce of
doctors and priests to determine when the devil is at work and when
psychiatric help is needed.
As my poor Irony-o-meter explodes into tiny fragments...
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| User: "johac" |
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15 Feb 2004 12:59:38 AM |
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In article <6ils20p1poq25569o0d1moc9spmti70ied@4ax.com>,
raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:51:14 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
ROME (Reuters) - Faced with growing demand for exorcisms, Catholic
Church leaders in the Italian city of Genoa have created a taskforce of
doctors and priests to determine when the devil is at work and when
psychiatric help is needed.
As my poor Irony-o-meter explodes into tiny fragments...
Mine hasn't come down yet. I think it's in orbit.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, bit in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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14 Feb 2004 10:34:17 AM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach johac:
For Catholics, exorcism is the casting out of what is believed to be an
evil spirit through prayer and the laying on of hands.
At least Reuters can remain neutral on what is to some a necessary part of
life, and to most, absurd.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart "there is no God".
The wise man says it to the world.
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| User: "johac" |
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15 Feb 2004 01:02:45 AM |
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In article <948F50926vicman@127.0.0.1>,
(Vic Sagerquist) wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach johac:
For Catholics, exorcism is the casting out of what is believed to be an
evil spirit through prayer and the laying on of hands.
At least Reuters can remain neutral on what is to some a necessary part of
life, and to most, absurd.
Although, I can see the reporter typing this up with a big grin on
his/her face .
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, bit in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Bob Dog" |
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17 Feb 2004 09:51:43 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in message news:<jhachm-269F41.00511414022004@news-60.giganews.com>...
Demon Busters! Or maybe that's what this group, the "anti-Satan pool",
should call itself.
http://tinyurl.com/26gjy
So they finally found a use for the paedophile priests. They're
quite willing to lay their hands on anyone, so why not?
Bob Dog
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| User: "Maverick" |
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14 Feb 2004 12:10:12 PM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-269F41.00511414022004
@news-60.giganews.com:
Demon Busters! Or maybe that's what this group, the "anti-Satan pool",
should call itself.
http://tinyurl.com/26gjy
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Doctors, Priests Form Exorcism Commission
Fri Feb 13, 8:09 AM ET
Add Oddly Enough - Reuters to My Yahoo!
ROME (Reuters) - Faced with growing demand for exorcisms, Catholic
Church leaders in the Italian city of Genoa have created a taskforce of
doctors and priests to determine when the devil is at work and when
psychiatric help is needed.
Demon-haunted Europe. Found myself thinking "hope noone will notice..."
I mean, "growing demand" for exorcism? Ignorance, superstition and fear of
what doesn't exist; not a good combination. This is really sad.
Oh and btw, the above few lines from the article is actually kinda funny.
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| User: "johac" |
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15 Feb 2004 12:57:09 AM |
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In article <Xns948FC29E327B8insensitiveclodhotma@192.71.180.100>,
Maverick <insensitive_clod@hotmail.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-269F41.00511414022004
@news-60.giganews.com:
Demon Busters! Or maybe that's what this group, the "anti-Satan pool",
should call itself.
http://tinyurl.com/26gjy
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Doctors, Priests Form Exorcism Commission
Fri Feb 13, 8:09 AM ET
Add Oddly Enough - Reuters to My Yahoo!
ROME (Reuters) - Faced with growing demand for exorcisms, Catholic
Church leaders in the Italian city of Genoa have created a taskforce of
doctors and priests to determine when the devil is at work and when
psychiatric help is needed.
Demon-haunted Europe. Found myself thinking "hope noone will notice..."
I mean, "growing demand" for exorcism? Ignorance, superstition and fear of
what doesn't exist; not a good combination. This is really sad.
Oh and btw, the above few lines from the article is actually kinda funny.
I saw another article recently about suspected demonic activity in
Sicily:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/italy/story/0,12576,1145394,00.html
People seem to be getting into this stuff. Soon they'l e finding demons
all over the place.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, bit in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Maverick" |
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15 Feb 2004 04:43:45 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-3BE1EB.22570914022004@news-60.giganews.com:
In article <Xns948FC29E327B8insensitiveclodhotma@192.71.180.100>,
Maverick <insensitive_clod@hotmail.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-269F41.00511414022004 @news-60.giganews.com:
Demon Busters! Or maybe that's what this group, the "anti-Satan
pool", should call itself.
http://tinyurl.com/26gjy
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Doctors, Priests Form Exorcism Commission
Fri Feb 13, 8:09 AM ET
Add Oddly Enough - Reuters to My Yahoo!
ROME (Reuters) - Faced with growing demand for exorcisms, Catholic
Church leaders in the Italian city of Genoa have created a
taskforce of doctors and priests to determine when the devil is at
work and when psychiatric help is needed.
Demon-haunted Europe. Found myself thinking "hope noone will
notice..." I mean, "growing demand" for exorcism? Ignorance,
superstition and fear of what doesn't exist; not a good combination.
This is really sad. Oh and btw, the above few lines from the article
is actually kinda funny.
I saw another article recently about suspected demonic activity in
Sicily:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/italy/story/0,12576,1145394,00.html
People seem to be getting into this stuff. Soon they'l e finding
demons all over the place.
I think that they should investigate the phenomena before jumping to
conclusions. In general I think that the scientific community is perhaps
not too good at "reaching out" to the majority of the people. And that is
one of the reasons why they keep believing in gods and devils and demons
and paranormal stuff.
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| User: "johac" |
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15 Feb 2004 11:17:06 PM |
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In article <Xns949076EA581BDinsensitiveclodhotma@192.71.180.100>,
Maverick <insensitive_clod@hotmail.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-3BE1EB.22570914022004@news-60.giganews.com:
In article <Xns948FC29E327B8insensitiveclodhotma@192.71.180.100>,
Maverick <insensitive_clod@hotmail.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-269F41.00511414022004 @news-60.giganews.com:
Demon Busters! Or maybe that's what this group, the "anti-Satan
pool", should call itself.
http://tinyurl.com/26gjy
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Doctors, Priests Form Exorcism Commission
Fri Feb 13, 8:09 AM ET
Add Oddly Enough - Reuters to My Yahoo!
ROME (Reuters) - Faced with growing demand for exorcisms, Catholic
Church leaders in the Italian city of Genoa have created a
taskforce of doctors and priests to determine when the devil is at
work and when psychiatric help is needed.
Demon-haunted Europe. Found myself thinking "hope noone will
notice..." I mean, "growing demand" for exorcism? Ignorance,
superstition and fear of what doesn't exist; not a good combination.
This is really sad. Oh and btw, the above few lines from the article
is actually kinda funny.
I saw another article recently about suspected demonic activity in
Sicily:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/italy/story/0,12576,1145394,00.html
People seem to be getting into this stuff. Soon they'l e finding
demons all over the place.
I think that they should investigate the phenomena before jumping to
conclusions. In general I think that the scientific community is perhaps
not too good at "reaching out" to the majority of the people. And that is
one of the reasons why they keep believing in gods and devils and demons
and paranormal stuff.
That is part of the problem. Scientists need to make their case to the
public more. However, the media would much rather report sensationalist
speculation than boring facts.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, bit in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "SMChristenson" |
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15 Feb 2004 09:02:33 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:43:45 +0000, Maverick wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-3BE1EB.22570914022004@news-60.giganews.com:
In article <Xns948FC29E327B8insensitiveclodhotma@192.71.180.100>,
Maverick <insensitive_clod@hotmail.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-269F41.00511414022004 @news-60.giganews.com:
Demon Busters! Or maybe that's what this group, the "anti-Satan
pool", should call itself.
http://tinyurl.com/26gjy
---
Doctors, Priests Form Exorcism Commission
Fri Feb 13, 8:09 AM ET
Add Oddly Enough - Reuters to My Yahoo!
ROME (Reuters) - Faced with growing demand for exorcisms, Catholic
Church leaders in the Italian city of Genoa have created a
taskforce of doctors and priests to determine when the devil is at
work and when psychiatric help is needed.
Demon-haunted Europe. Found myself thinking "hope noone will
notice..." I mean, "growing demand" for exorcism? Ignorance,
superstition and fear of what doesn't exist; not a good combination.
This is really sad. Oh and btw, the above few lines from the article
is actually kinda funny.
I saw another article recently about suspected demonic activity in
Sicily:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/italy/story/0,12576,1145394,00.html
People seem to be getting into this stuff. Soon they'l e finding
demons all over the place.
I think that they should investigate the phenomena before jumping to
conclusions. In general I think that the scientific community is perhaps
not too good at "reaching out" to the majority of the people. And that is
one of the reasons why they keep believing in gods and devils and demons
and paranormal stuff.
Well, it's an amusing argument for the existence of god through an
argument for the existence of the anti-god. "Satan, more powerful than
our current anti-psychotics!"
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| User: "MarkA" |
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15 Feb 2004 07:52:53 PM |
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johac wrote:
Demon Busters! Or maybe that's what this group, the "anti-Satan pool",
should call itself.
http://tinyurl.com/26gjy
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Doctors, Priests Form Exorcism Commission
Fri Feb 13, 8:09 AM ET
Add Oddly Enough - Reuters to My Yahoo!
ROME (Reuters) - Faced with growing demand for exorcisms, Catholic
Church leaders in the Italian city of Genoa have created a taskforce of
doctors and priests to determine when the devil is at work and when
psychiatric help is needed.
I have trouble understanding the whole premise of an "exorcism." A
supposedly supernatural being takes control of an innocent mortal, and a
group of other mortals is going to "force" the demon to abandon his
conquest? If we are stronger than demons, why all the fuss? If we
aren't, why would the demon leave? As for prayers and holy water,
doesn't God care about someone being posessed without a lot of hoopla
from the "exorcism taskforce?" God is too busy, or apathetic, to oust
the demon himself, until a group of his worshipers make such a fuss that
HE can't ignore it? If God doesn't mind the posession in the first
place, perhaps He might smite the exorcism taskforce members, in order
to shut them up, rather than interfere with the devil doing his job?
Can someone explain this to me?
MarkA
(usually I am apathetic toward religion. But every now and then, I am
very glad that I am not under its power)
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| User: "johac" |
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15 Feb 2004 11:40:58 PM |
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In article <foVXb.26878$kO1.2770873406@twister2.starband.net>,
MarkA <nobiz@ofyours.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
Demon Busters! Or maybe that's what this group, the "anti-Satan pool",
should call itself.
http://tinyurl.com/26gjy
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Doctors, Priests Form Exorcism Commission
Fri Feb 13, 8:09 AM ET
Add Oddly Enough - Reuters to My Yahoo!
ROME (Reuters) - Faced with growing demand for exorcisms, Catholic
Church leaders in the Italian city of Genoa have created a taskforce of
doctors and priests to determine when the devil is at work and when
psychiatric help is needed.
I have trouble understanding the whole premise of an "exorcism." A
supposedly supernatural being takes control of an innocent mortal, and a
group of other mortals is going to "force" the demon to abandon his
conquest? If we are stronger than demons, why all the fuss? If we
aren't, why would the demon leave? As for prayers and holy water,
doesn't God care about someone being posessed without a lot of hoopla
from the "exorcism taskforce?" God is too busy, or apathetic, to oust
the demon himself, until a group of his worshipers make such a fuss that
HE can't ignore it? If God doesn't mind the posession in the first
place, perhaps He might smite the exorcism taskforce members, in order
to shut them up, rather than interfere with the devil doing his job?
Can someone explain this to me?
The only explanation I can give is that it is another load of
supernatural hooey.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, bit in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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