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17 Jun 2005 03:49:59 PM |
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Gov. Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse |
TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday
to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into
question how long it took her husband to call 911 after he found her.
In a letter faxed to Pinellas-Pasco County State Attorney Bernie
McCabe, Bush said Michael Schiavo testified in a 1992 medical
malpractice trial that he found his wife collapsed at 5 a.m., and he
said in a 2003 television interview that he found her about 4:30 a.m.
He called 911 at 5:40 a.m.
"Between 40 and 70 minutes elapsed before the call was made, and I am
aware of no explanation for the delay," Bush wrote. "In light of this
new information, I urge you to take a fresh look at this case without
any preconceptions as to the outcome."
Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, did not immediately return a
telephone call seeking comment Friday from The Associated Press. In
comments in The Miami Herald, he said Terri Schiavo would not have
survived if her husband had not immediately called 911.
"It's absolutely preposterous," Felos said. "If he had waited 70
minutes she would have been dead."
Terri Schiavo died March 31 from dehydration after her feeding tube
was disconnected at her husband's request, despite unsuccessful
efforts by her parents, Bush and others to keep her alive.
An autopsy released Wednesday concluded that she had been in a
persistent vegetative state and revealed no evidence that she was
strangled or otherwise abused before she collapsed.
It left unanswered the question of why Terri Schiavo's heart stopped,
cutting oxygen off from her brain. The autopsy showed she suffered
irreversible brain damage and her brain had shrunk to half the normal
size for her age.
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18 Jun 2005 11:08:43 AM |
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Rightard Whitey wrote:
B. ***** wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:04:24 -0500, COL RSJ <utahraptor88@yahoo.com>
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:49:59 -0700, jheez <jheez@wheez.zz> wrote:
TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor
Friday to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago,
calling into question how long it took her husband to call 911
after he found her.
Can we whip this dead horse a bit more. Damn, I wish these nuts
would get out of my party if they insist on doing this stupid crap.
Sweetie, bad news for you -- there is no such thing as conservatism
in the USA anymore. Conservatives have been replaced by neo-cunts and
Christofascists, who are masquerading as conservatives.
IMO, you might want to consider distancing yourself from those
asloaves ASAFP and vote independently, without a party affiliation.
And don't get me started on how the left wing in the USA has died a
similar death. Only the left doesn't have any zombies to replace
them, like the neo-con RepubliCUNTS.
Ein Prosit der Gemtlichkeit --
Bonnie *****
In a letter faxed to Pinellas-Pasco County State Attorney Bernie
McCabe, Bush said Michael Schiavo testified in a 1992 medical
malpractice trial that he found his wife collapsed at 5 a.m., and
he said in a 2003 television interview that he found her about
4:30 a.m. He called 911 at 5:40 a.m.
"Between 40 and 70 minutes elapsed before the call was made, and I
am aware of no explanation for the delay," Bush wrote. "In light
of this new information, I urge you to take a fresh look at this
case without any preconceptions as to the outcome."
Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, did not immediately
return a telephone call seeking comment Friday from The Associated
Press. In comments in The Miami Herald, he said Terri Schiavo
would not have survived if her husband had not immediately called
911. "It's absolutely preposterous," Felos said. "If he had waited 70
minutes she would have been dead."
Terri Schiavo died March 31 from dehydration after her feeding tube
was disconnected at her husband's request, despite unsuccessful
efforts by her parents, Bush and others to keep her alive.
An autopsy released Wednesday concluded that she had been in a
persistent vegetative state and revealed no evidence that she was
strangled or otherwise abused before she collapsed.
It left unanswered the question of why Terri Schiavo's heart
stopped, cutting oxygen off from her brain. The autopsy showed she
suffered irreversible brain damage and her brain had shrunk to
half the normal size for her age.
This investigation will go nowhere. The GOP Christian fundie boot
lickers are trying to save face. No charges were ever brought against
Michael Schiavo for his wife's death.
I had an ill event with RSV in a critical care unit in Philadelphia.
He recovered, but the child across for him was a little girl who had
sudden brain death like Terri Schiavo. The father, who was a Marine,
indicated the doctors thought a virus had severely damaged the girl's
brain.
Once the doctors got the brain scans back they told the parents there
was no chance of recovery. Based on pictures of the Schaivo scan I
saw, the little girl had taken a lot less damage than Terri Schiavo.
This is another fraud perpetrated
by a member of the Bush family
for the sole purpose of distracting
the public from the Bush,Jr failure
in Washington.
from today's Sun-Sentinel:
"...At least one physician said it would have been extremely unlikely that
Terri Schiavo went untreated for 70 minutes, given the fact that when
paramedics arrived, they found her not breathing and in ventricular
fibrillation, which is when the heart beats wildly but fails to pump blood.
Yet, after nearly an hour of working on her, they were able to restore her
pulse.
"If she's in ventricular fibrillation, the chances are she collapsed within
15 to 20 minutes prior to their arrival," said John Kuluz, an intensive care
specialist and expert in brain resuscitation at the University of Miami
medical school. "Otherwise, they would never have got her heart going
again."
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| User: "COL RSJ" |
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18 Jun 2005 07:27:48 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:02:39 -0700, B. *****
<somewhere@overthe.rainbow> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:04:24 -0500, COL RSJ <utahraptor88@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:49:59 -0700, jheez <jheez@wheez.zz> wrote:
TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday
to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into
question how long it took her husband to call 911 after he found her.
Can we whip this dead horse a bit more. Damn, I wish these nuts would
get out of my party if they insist on doing this stupid crap.
Sweetie, bad news for you -- there is no such thing as conservatism in
the USA anymore. Conservatives have been replaced by neo-cunts and
Christofascists, who are masquerading as conservatives.
IMO, you might want to consider distancing yourself from those
asloaves ASAFP and vote independently, without a party affiliation.
Well in the last 2 Presidential election I voted for Bush, but then
voted for local democrats for the senate and congress. I pick the
ones I think can maybe do the best in the job.
--
So I sit and write and ponder, while the house is deaf
and dumb. Seeing visions over yonder of the war I know
must come. In the corner-not a vision-but a sign of
coming days, stands a box of ammunition, and a rifle
in green baize. And in this, the living present, let
the word go through the land. Every tradesman, clerk
and peasant, should have these two things at hand. No,
no ranting song is needed, and no meeting, flag or
fuss-In the future, still unheeded, shall the Spirit
come to us. Without feathers, drum or riot, on the
day that is to be. We shall march down very quiet,
to our stations by the sea. While the bitter parties
stifle every voice that warns of war. Every man should
have a rifle. And cartridges in store. (Henry Lawson)
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| User: "towelie" |
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17 Jun 2005 09:28:47 PM |
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TV's COL RSJ wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:49:59 -0700, jheez <jheez@wheez.zz> wrote:
TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday
to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into
question how long it took her husband to call 911 after he found her.
Can we whip this dead horse a bit more. Damn, I wish these nuts would
get out of my party if they insist on doing this stupid crap.
They've taken over your party, and destroyed it.
--
Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning.
A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing.
- Maynard James Keenan
The belief in the Christian god... is an appalling nightmare. I reject
the notion that the whole universe was created by this kind of evil
creature who would create such a thing. - Anthony Flew, March 22, 2005
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "richard schumacher" |
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18 Jun 2005 09:47:33 AM |
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TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday
to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into
question how long it took her husband to call 911 after he found her.
Can we whip this dead horse a bit more. Damn, I wish these nuts would
get out of my party if they insist on doing this stupid crap.
They've taken over your party, and destroyed it.
Nevermind the Schiavo autopsy; where can we get brain scans of the Bush
Brothers?
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| User: "towelie" |
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18 Jun 2005 02:36:16 PM |
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TV's richard schumacher wrote:
TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday
to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into
question how long it took her husband to call 911 after he found her.
Can we whip this dead horse a bit more. Damn, I wish these nuts would
get out of my party if they insist on doing this stupid crap.
They've taken over your party, and destroyed it.
Nevermind the Schiavo autopsy; where can we get brain scans of the Bush
Brothers?
....and the microscopes needed to view such scans?
--
Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning.
A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing.
- Maynard James Keenan
The belief in the Christian god... is an appalling nightmare. I reject
the notion that the whole universe was created by this kind of evil
creature who would create such a thing. - Anthony Flew, March 22, 2005
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "AES" |
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17 Jun 2005 09:49:49 PM |
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In article <MICdnU1I1p1-Gy7fRVn-iA@centurytel.net>,
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday
to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into
question how long it took her husband to call 911 after he found her.
Can we whip this dead horse a bit more. Damn, I wish these nuts would
get out of my party if they insist on doing this stupid crap.
They've taken over your party, and destroyed it.
Seems to me that's exactly what happened (and they're well on the way
to destroying all the rest of us also).
I really thought that for deep-fried stupidity, pandering, and vicious
exploitation, nothing could top what's already happened in the Schiavo
case (although I didn't really have all that negative a view of Jeb Bush
as Florida's governor).
But this latest just goes beyond mind-boggling.
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| User: "COL RSJ" |
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18 Jun 2005 07:26:01 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:28:47 -0500, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
TV's COL RSJ wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:49:59 -0700, jheez <jheez@wheez.zz> wrote:
TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday
to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into
question how long it took her husband to call 911 after he found her.
Can we whip this dead horse a bit more. Damn, I wish these nuts would
get out of my party if they insist on doing this stupid crap.
They've taken over your party, and destroyed it.
Sadly appears to be true. But with the demcrats being dead for a
decade, that leaves me no where to go. Might be time to just buy a
nice place on the beach in costa rica and retire with the wife.
--
So I sit and write and ponder, while the house is deaf
and dumb. Seeing visions over yonder of the war I know
must come. In the corner-not a vision-but a sign of
coming days, stands a box of ammunition, and a rifle
in green baize. And in this, the living present, let
the word go through the land. Every tradesman, clerk
and peasant, should have these two things at hand. No,
no ranting song is needed, and no meeting, flag or
fuss-In the future, still unheeded, shall the Spirit
come to us. Without feathers, drum or riot, on the
day that is to be. We shall march down very quiet,
to our stations by the sea. While the bitter parties
stifle every voice that warns of war. Every man should
have a rifle. And cartridges in store. (Henry Lawson)
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| User: "MarkA" |
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18 Jun 2005 11:37:33 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:49:59 -0700, jheez wrote:
TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday to
investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into
question how long it took her husband to call 911 after he found her.
I guess in the Bush family it is instinctive to do damage control hard and
fast whenever the media makes you look bad. Now that Michael Schiavo has
been vindicated by the autopsy on Terri, which showed none of the abuse,
etc, that he had been accused of, Jeb & Co has to draw attention away from
the fact that he and his friends are the bad guys in this case.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "One Way Ticket" |
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19 Jun 2005 09:09:11 AM |
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The Governor would be well advised to cut his losses on this one. The
autopsy confirmed that the late Mrs. Shivao had - for the most part -
no brain function. And the courts ran the full array of suits and
counter-suits. By now I would think that Jeb's actions during the
Schiavo case would have received approval of those of the seriously
misguided religious right.
What the Governor needs to do is start moving his political affiliation
away from the extreme right. Those fanatics scream loudly but they do
not hold the range of support they try to claim. The Republicans will
start losing elections unless they begin to distance themselves from
those extremists. And using the Schiavo case would give the Reps more
than enough justification to start doing so.
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| User: "Johnny" |
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19 Jun 2005 09:29:35 AM |
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"One Way Ticket" <TravelGuy@mailandnews.com> wrote in message
news:1119190151.147478.224910@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
The Governor would be well advised to cut his losses on this one. The
autopsy confirmed that the late Mrs. Shivao had - for the most part -
no brain function.
Dead people have no brain function.
DUH!
And the courts ran the full array of suits and
counter-suits. By now I would think that Jeb's actions during the
Schiavo case would have received approval of those of the seriously
misguided religious right.
What the Governor needs to do is start moving his political affiliation
away from the extreme right. Those fanatics scream loudly but they do
not hold the range of support they try to claim. The Republicans will
start losing elections unless they begin to distance themselves from
those extremists.
Unproven. What many consider to be extremism is not really extremism.
It is the extremism that resists common sense and common order that needs to
shift.
Values voters are not going out of existence.
And using the Schiavo case would give the Reps more
than enough justification to start doing so.
It is quite possible that you will see the shift continuing to the right.
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| User: "Nolo Contendre" |
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20 Jun 2005 10:17:23 AM |
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What the Governor needs to do is start moving his political
affiliation away from the extreme right. Those fanatics
scream loudly but they do not hold the range of support they
try to claim. The Republicans will start losing elections
unless they begin to distance themselves from those extremists.
Unproven. What many consider to be extremism is not really
extremism. It is the extremism that resists common sense and
common order that needs to shift. Values voters are not going
out of existence.
So knowing nothing of Mrs. Schiavo or her family, and ignoring years
of court rulings, a single group has the arrogance to decide that any
quailty of life decisions are best left to them. And this is not
extremism? The interference with the end of life decisions of a
stranger, and this is not possibly the worst example of such religious
extremism?
During the Schiavo fiasco the polls all agreed (through the sample
which was polled) that this effort was unnecessary and intrusive. I
would like nothing better than the parent's of Terry Schiavo having to
face the same interference when it comes to their own end of life
issues.
And using the Schiavo case would give the Reps more
than enough justification to start doing so.
It is quite possible that you will see the shift continuing
to the right.
I doubt it. I think it is now more than obvious that the Republicans
are tied at the hip to the fanatics of the religious right; those who
believe that they are the only ones who qualift as speaking for the
almightly. And such sounds like extremist to me.
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| User: "Johnny" |
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20 Jun 2005 10:33:10 AM |
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"Nolo Contendre" <jerry_jn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119280643.663482.256680@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
What the Governor needs to do is start moving his political
affiliation away from the extreme right. Those fanatics
scream loudly but they do not hold the range of support they
try to claim. The Republicans will start losing elections
unless they begin to distance themselves from those extremists.
Unproven. What many consider to be extremism is not really
extremism. It is the extremism that resists common sense and
common order that needs to shift. Values voters are not going
out of existence.
So knowing nothing of Mrs. Schiavo or her family, and ignoring years
of court rulings, a single group has the arrogance to decide that any
quailty of life decisions are best left to them. And this is not
extremism?
People, including her parents did NOT want her to die, you POS murderous
windbag.
The interference with the end of life decisions of a
stranger, and this is not possibly the worst example of such religious
extremism?
A stranger? You inept shitbag.
During the Schiavo fiasco the polls all agreed (through the sample
which was polled) that this effort was unnecessary and intrusive.
The God damned polls?
You trust that bag of deception?
I would like nothing better than the parent's of Terry Schiavo having to
face the same interference when it comes to their own end of life
issues.
You would?
So be it done unto you.
And using the Schiavo case would give the Reps more
than enough justification to start doing so.
It is quite possible that you will see the shift continuing
to the right.
I doubt it.
Since you are a doubter I can assure you that it will happen.
Why you doubt me is more reason to disregard your mind.
I think it is now more than obvious that the Republicans
are tied at the hip to the fanatics of the religious right; those who
believe that they are the only ones who qualift as speaking for the
almightly.
It is better to feel quaified to speak for something good and to say it than
to contest such people.
And such sounds like extremist to me.
Sorry, but your resistance individual lives and freedom and love is what
could cause a worse situation to develop than you hope for.
Then again, maybe you have no hope and you just like to ***** about people
who do have hope for better for others.
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| User: "Nolo Contendre" |
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20 Jun 2005 01:40:22 PM |
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Sorry, but your resistance individual lives and freedom and
love is what could cause a worse situation to develop than
you hope for.
How so? By allowing a group - one for which I have no respect - the
ability to determine which are the specific qualifications for life?
By agreeing that only one group has the right to speak for the
Almighty?
Then again, maybe you have no hope and you just like to *****
about people who do have hope for better for others.
For you there must be a very fine line between 'hope' and
'interference'.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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20 Jun 2005 06:42:05 PM |
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"Nolo Contendre" <jerry_jn@hotmail.com> writes:
:> Sorry, but your resistance individual lives and freedom and
:> love is what could cause a worse situation to develop than
:> you hope for.
:How so? By allowing a group - one for which I have no respect - the
:ability to determine which are the specific qualifications for life?
:By agreeing that only one group has the right to speak for the
:Almighty?
That's just his way of making insinuations that you'll be punished for daring
to dispute the almighty John D. Wentzky.
:> Then again, maybe you have no hope and you just like to *****
:> about people who do have hope for better for others.
:For you there must be a very fine line between 'hope' and 'interference'.
The only line he can comprehend is between him and everyone else...and of
course, he gets to tell the rest of us to obey him. Just ask him. ;-)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (soon to be TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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| User: "Johnny" |
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21 Jun 2005 08:38:31 AM |
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"Nolo Contendre" <jerry_jn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Sorry, but your resistance to individual lives and freedom and
love is what could cause a worse situation to develop than
you hope for.
How so? By allowing a group - one for which I have no respect - the
ability to determine which are the specific qualifications for life?
The group you are lobbying for is doing the very thing that you say you are
against.
By agreeing that only one group has the right to speak for the
Almighty?
The group you are lobbying for is doing the very thing that you say you are
against.
Then again, maybe you have no hope and you just like to *****
about people who do have hope for better for others.
For you there must be a very fine line between 'hope' and
'interference'.
I hope, you interfere.
See the difference?
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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21 Jun 2005 09:34:24 PM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:"Nolo Contendre" <jerry_jn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
:news:1119292822.789407.73580@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
:>> Sorry, but your resistance to individual lives and freedom and
:>> love is what could cause a worse situation to develop than
:>> you hope for.
:> How so? By allowing a group - one for which I have no respect - the
:> ability to determine which are the specific qualifications for life?
:The group you are lobbying for is doing the very thing that you say you are
:against.
You *do* have proof of this, I hope.
:> By agreeing that only one group has the right to speak for the Almighty?
:The group you are lobbying for is doing the very thing that you say you are
:against.
When you start repeating the same response, that's a reliable sign that you're
just babbling...again.
:>> Then again, maybe you have no hope and you just like to ***** about people
:>> who do have hope for better for others.
:> For you there must be a very fine line between 'hope' and 'interference'.
:I hope, you interfere. See the difference?
Indeed - all that matters to you is getting your way, the consequences (or
anyone else) be damned.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (soon to be TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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21 Jun 2005 09:08:50 PM |
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Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
"Nolo Contendre" <jerry_jn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
What the Governor needs to do is start moving his political
affiliation away from the extreme right. Those fanatics
scream loudly but they do not hold the range of support they
try to claim. The Republicans will start losing elections
unless they begin to distance themselves from those extremists.
Unproven. What many consider to be extremism is not really
extremism. It is the extremism that resists common sense and
common order that needs to shift. Values voters are not going
out of existence.
So knowing nothing of Mrs. Schiavo or her family, and ignoring years
of court rulings, a single group has the arrogance to decide that any
quailty of life decisions are best left to them. And this is not
extremism?
People, including her parents did NOT want her to die, you POS murderous
windbag.
Nobody _wanted_ her to die, you dumbshit control freak. But no matter
how much you don't like it, everybody does die sooner or later, and
her time had come.
The interference with the end of life decisions of a
stranger, and this is not possibly the worst example of such religious
extremism?
A stranger?
You.
You inept shitbag.
You insane crackpot.
During the Schiavo fiasco the polls all agreed (through the sample
which was polled) that this effort was unnecessary and intrusive.
The God damned polls?
You trust that bag of deception?
More than we trust an irrational, lying, murderous control freak like
you.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Don" |
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22 Jun 2005 11:23:58 AM |
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"Ray Fischer"> wrote
Johnny> wrote:
People, including her parents did NOT want her to die, you POS murderous
windbag.
Nobody _wanted_ her to die, you dumbshit control freak. But no matter
how much you don't like it, everybody does die sooner or later, and
her time had come.
The fact is that she had been braindead for some 15 years and no amount of
concern would ever change that fact.
The posturing on this subject by Bush, Jeb, the former sheriff of our county
(that was jailed for trying to give Schiavo water), and the thousands of
other people with empty lives who *felt* compelled to inject themselves into
something that is none of their business, is despicable.
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| User: "Frank F. Matthews" |
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19 Jun 2005 11:57:43 AM |
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Johnny wrote:
"One Way Ticket" <TravelGuy@mailandnews.com> wrote in message
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The Governor would be well advised to cut his losses on this one. The
autopsy confirmed that the late Mrs. Shivao had - for the most part -
no brain function.
Dead people have no brain function.
DUH!
And the courts ran the full array of suits and
counter-suits. By now I would think that Jeb's actions during the
Schiavo case would have received approval of those of the seriously
misguided religious right.
What the Governor needs to do is start moving his political affiliation
away from the extreme right. Those fanatics scream loudly but they do
not hold the range of support they try to claim. The Republicans will
start losing elections unless they begin to distance themselves from
those extremists.
Unproven. What many consider to be extremism is not really extremism.
It is the extremism that resists common sense and common order that needs to
shift.
Sense would require recognition of the fact that the loss of a large
part of a brain indicates that the person is not going to pop out of a coma.
Sense would indicate that a physician should not try to second guess
colleagues who have examined a patient on the basis of short video cuts.
First is really a nutcase Last.
Now the idiot governor wants a detailed analysis of events long in the
past. I wonder exactly what he was doing on the day Terry collapsed?
Values voters are not going out of existence.
And using the Schiavo case would give the Reps more
than enough justification to start doing so.
It is quite possible that you will see the shift continuing to the right.
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| User: "Nolo Contendre" |
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| Title: Re: Gov. Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse |
20 Jun 2005 10:29:48 AM |
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Very true.
The laws need to be changed so as to recognize that no rational person
would choose to live in a persistent vegetative state.
Rather than the current practice of keeping one existing at all costs,
those who wish to remain 'alive' by artificial means should be required
to explicitly indicate such in the next iteration of living wills.
And their insurance provider should be able to adjust the rates
accordingly.
In addition, no one should be able to interfer with the end of life
decisions of another, and then be exempt from having legal action taken
against such intrusion.
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| User: "Johnny" |
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| Title: Re: Gov. Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse |
20 Jun 2005 10:37:17 AM |
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"Nolo Contendre" <jerry_jn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119281388.471587.74620@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Very true.
The laws need to be changed so as to recognize that no rational person
would choose to live in a persistent vegetative state.
What a lie.
How do you know?
This is not something than can be decided by a vote.
This deals with individual rights. The inalienable right to life is Not to
be transgressed without the individual's permission.
Rather than the current practice of keeping one existing at all costs,
All costs?
You saw the entire US GDP and budget going to this?
those who wish to remain 'alive' by artificial means should be required
to explicitly indicate such in the next iteration of living wills.
Which does nothing to authorize killling those who do not have such in
writing.
And their insurance provider should be able to adjust the rates
accordingly.
We will judge you by your own standards that you seek to make others live
by.
In addition, no one should be able to interfer with the end of life
decisions of another, and then be exempt from having legal action taken
against such intrusion.
Such as the judge did to Terri?
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: Gov. Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse |
20 Jun 2005 07:26:01 PM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
:"Nolo Contendre" <jerry_jn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
:news:1119281388.471587.74620@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
:> Very true.
:> The laws need to be changed so as to recognize that no rational person
:> would choose to live in a persistent vegetative state.
:What a lie.
:How do you know?
:This is not something than can be decided by a vote.
:This deals with individual rights. The inalienable right to life is Not to
:be transgressed without the individual's permission.
That presumes an individual still exists. In the Schiavo case, Terri had long
since ceased to exist as an individual - and the autopsy confirms that.
:> Rather than the current practice of keeping one existing at all costs,
:All costs? You saw the entire US GDP and budget going to this?
I'd appreciate it if you'd quit projecting your delusions on those who dare to
ask you questions.
:> those who wish to remain 'alive' by artificial means should be required
:> to explicitly indicate such in the next iteration of living wills.
:Which does nothing to authorize killling those who do not have such in
:writing.
Too bad she'd made her wishes known.
:> And their insurance provider should be able to adjust the rates
:> accordingly.
:We will judge you by your own standards that you seek to make others live
:by.
No one has to pay attention to the voices in your head.
:> In addition, no one should be able to interfer with the end of life
:> decisions of another, and then be exempt from having legal action taken
:> against such intrusion.
:Such as the judge did to Terri?
Idiot. Her parents were the ones wanting to dictate her treatment. I think
you should refrain from making your proclamations until such time as you can
actually remember - and understand - what you read.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (soon to be TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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| User: "Nolo Contendre" |
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20 Jun 2005 01:47:12 PM |
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In addition, no one should be able to interfer with the end of life
decisions of another, and then be exempt from having legal action
taken against such intrusion.
Such as the judge did to Terri?
No, it was Terri's parents did that to her. And I think her husband
should haul their asses into court as a way of saying thanks. Or, at
the very least, make sure that he is in a position to interfere with
their end of life decisions.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Gov. Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse |
20 Jun 2005 04:02:50 PM |
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The laws need to be changed so as to recognize that no rational
person would choose to live in a persistent vegetative state.
What a lie.
How do you know?
I don't. Why is it that we have the presumption that a brain dead
condition is 'living'? No reason for that,is there? So let's do a
switch and define force feeding for what it is, playing God.
those who wish to remain 'alive' by artificial means should
be required to explicitly indicate such in the next iteration
of living wills.
Which does nothing to authorize killling those who do not have such
in writing.
No, it means that they cannot be force fed in order to be kept 'alive'.
And their insurance provider should be able to adjust the rates
accordingly.
We will judge you by your own standards that you seek to make
others live by.
Good idea. My standard is that no one (and you in particular) has the
right to interfer with the decisions made by another. No one has the
right to say that they speak for God (personally, I do not believe that
you do). No one has the right to say their opinions supercede those of
all others. How is that for a start?
In addition, no one should be able to interfer with the end
of life decisions of another, and then be exempt from having
legal action taken against such intrusion.
Such as the judge did to Terri?
No. This should be directed to the religious right. They need to
crawl back into their holes and instead worry about salvation for
themselves. And leave the rest of us alone.
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| User: "Juliana L Holm" |
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| Title: Re: Gov. Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse |
20 Jun 2005 04:06:14 PM |
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In rec.travel.europe wrote:
The laws need to be changed so as to recognize that no rational
person would choose to live in a persistent vegetative state.
What a lie.
How do you know?
I don't. Why is it that we have the presumption that a brain dead
condition is 'living'? No reason for that,is there? So let's do a
switch and define force feeding for what it is, playing God.
Do you consider force feeding to be playing God if the person is not
"Brain Dead"? And how sure one must be of brain death if other bodily
functions (breathing, elimination) are still working without interference?
How exactly do you define this?
Julie
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Check out the blog of my 9 week Germany adventure at www.blurty.com/users/jholm
Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at
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| User: "Frank F. Matthews" |
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| Title: Re: Gov. Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse |
20 Jun 2005 10:34:24 AM |
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Nolo Contendre wrote:
Very true.
The laws need to be changed so as to recognize that no rational person
would choose to live in a persistent vegetative state.
Rather than the current practice of keeping one existing at all costs,
those who wish to remain 'alive' by artificial means should be required
to explicitly indicate such in the next iteration of living wills.
And their insurance provider should be able to adjust the rates
accordingly.
In addition, no one should be able to interfer with the end of life
decisions of another, and then be exempt from having legal action taken
against such intrusion.
It would appear to me to be inappropriate to legislate any such
decision. The best I could see is a clear description of who gets to
make decisions in the absence of any clear direction from the patient.
I would resent any attempt to legislate against my personal decision in
either direction.
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| User: "Juliana L Holm" |
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| Title: Re: Gov. Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse |
20 Jun 2005 10:47:51 AM |
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While I disagree with him, I have a very conservative family member, who is
very pro-life and would choose to live in a PVS. He is rational and completely
consistent in his views.
Just as I would not want his opinions to affect MY end of life decisions, I
would not want to have anyone affect his end of life decisions.
The answer is to write a darn living will.
Julie
In rec.travel.europe Nolo Contendre <jerry_jn@hotmail.com> wrote:
Very true.
The laws need to be changed so as to recognize that no rational person
would choose to live in a persistent vegetative state.
Rather than the current practice of keeping one existing at all costs,
those who wish to remain 'alive' by artificial means should be required
to explicitly indicate such in the next iteration of living wills.
And their insurance provider should be able to adjust the rates
accordingly.
In addition, no one should be able to interfer with the end of life
decisions of another, and then be exempt from having legal action taken
against such intrusion.
--
Julie
**********
Check out the blog of my 9 week Germany adventure at www.blurty.com/users/jholm
Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at
http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
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| User: "Alan Street" |
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| Title: Re: Gov. Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse |
20 Jun 2005 11:51:42 AM |
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In article <d96of7$5p9h$1@osf1.gmu.edu>, Juliana L Holm
<jholm@osf1.gmu.edu> wrote:
While I disagree with him, I have a very conservative family member, who is
very pro-life and would choose to live in a PVS. He is rational and
completely
consistent in his views.
And is he willing to pay for such care? It's easy to spend someone
else's money to keep yourself alive artificially. It's quite another
when it comes out of your own pocket (i.e., in the form of greatly
increased insurance premiums).
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| User: "Juliana L Holm" |
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| Title: Re: Gov. Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse |
20 Jun 2005 11:52:35 AM |
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In rec.travel.europe Alan Street <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> wrote:
In article <d96of7$5p9h$1@osf1.gmu.edu>, Juliana L Holm
<jholm@osf1.gmu.edu> wrote:
While I disagree with him, I have a very conservative family member, who is
very pro-life and would choose to live in a PVS. He is rational and
completely
consistent in his views.
And is he willing to pay for such care? It's easy to spend someone
else's money to keep yourself alive artificially. It's quite another
when it comes out of your own pocket (i.e., in the form of greatly
increased insurance premiums).
He's fairly well off. I don't know the details, but I suspect he could pay
for many years of care if he needed to.
Julie
--
Julie
**********
Check out the blog of my 9 week Germany adventure at www.blurty.com/users/jholm
Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at
http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
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| User: "BOB" |
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| Title: Re: Gov. Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse |
20 Jun 2005 12:02:08 PM |
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Juliana L Holm <jholm@osf1.gmu.edu> wrote in
news:d96s8j$2a3s$1@osf1.gmu.edu:
In rec.travel.europe Alan Street <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> wrote:
In article <d96of7$5p9h$1@osf1.gmu.edu>, Juliana L Holm
<jholm@osf1.gmu.edu> wrote:
While I disagree with him, I have a very conservative family
member, who is very pro-life and would choose to live in a PVS. He
is rational and completely
consistent in his views.
And is he willing to pay for such care? It's easy to spend someone
else's money to keep yourself alive artificially. It's quite another
when it comes out of your own pocket (i.e., in the form of greatly
increased insurance premiums).
He's fairly well off. I don't know the details, but I suspect he
could pay for many years of care if he needed to.
Than that is his right and I don't think anyone here would deny him that
right. It's his body and his money therefore it is his choice.
Julie
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