Religions > Atheism > Government Agency Not to Keep New Orleans Body Count Secret
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Religions > Atheism |
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"Michelle Malkin" |
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10 Sep 2005 07:11:38 PM |
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Government Agency Not to Keep New Orleans Body Count Secret |
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/09/10/katrina.media/index.html
U.S. won't ban media from New Orleans searches
CNN filed suit for right to cover search for bodies of Katrina victims
Saturday, September 10, 2005; Posted: 12:56 p.m. EDT (16:56 GMT)
HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) -- Rather than fight a lawsuit by CNN, the federal
government abandoned its effort Saturday to prevent the media from reporting
on the recovery of the dead in New Orleans.
Joint Task Force Katrina "has no plans to bar, impede or prevent news media
from their news gathering and reporting activities in connection with the
deceased Hurricane Katrina victim recovery efforts," said Col. Christian E.
deGraff, representing the task force.
U.S. District Court Judge Keith Ellison issued a temporary restraining order
Friday against a "zero access" policy announced earlier in the day by Army
Lt. Gen. Russel Honore, who is overseeing the federal relief effort in the
city, and Terry Ebbert, the city's homeland security director.
In explaining the ban, Ebbert said, "we don't think that's proper" to let
members of the media view the bodies.
The judge was to consider granting a permanent injunction Saturday when the
government announced its decision not to enforce the "zero access" policy.
In an e-mail to CNN staff, CNN News Group President Jim Walton said the
network filed the the lawsuit to "prohibit any agency from restricting its
ability to fully and fairly cover" the hurricane victim recovery process.
"As seen most recently from war zones in Afghanistan and Iraq, from
tsunami-ravaged South Asia and from Hurricane Katrina's landfall along the
Gulf," Walton wrote, "CNN has shown that it is capable of balancing vigorous
reporting with respect for private concerns."
CNN filed suit against Federal Emergency Management Agency Director Michael
Brown, arguing that the officials who announced the decision were acting on
FEMA's behalf.
"For an agency to unilaterally ban all coverage of a major component of its
governmental function, that is, recovery of the deceased victims of the
tragedy, is unprecedented," CNN argued in its legal brief. "Instead, the
agency has made a subjective, content-based determination that publicizing
the operation would be 'without dignity.'"
CNN's brief argued, "It is not the place of government to replace its own
internal judgment for that of a free and independent media."
Because of controversy about how FEMA and other agencies handled the
disaster response, CNN lawyers argued, "it is even more vitally important
for the public, Congress and the administration to have an independent view
of the conduct of this important phase of the operation."
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Government Agency Not to Keep New Orleans Body Count Secret |
10 Sep 2005 07:48:35 PM |
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"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:YOudnZ2dnZ35SzmbnZ2dnUayvt6dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@comcast.com:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/09/10/katrina.media/index.html
U.S. won't ban media from New Orleans searches
CNN filed suit for right to cover search for bodies of Katrina victims
Saturday, September 10, 2005; Posted: 12:56 p.m. EDT (16:56 GMT)
HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) -- Rather than fight a lawsuit by CNN, the
federal government abandoned its effort Saturday to prevent the media
from reporting on the recovery of the dead in New Orleans.
Joint Task Force Katrina "has no plans to bar, impede or prevent news
media from their news gathering and reporting activities in connection
with the deceased Hurricane Katrina victim recovery efforts," said
Col. Christian E. deGraff, representing the task force.
The press didn't want to show the bodies from 9/11 for fear that it
"would inflame the public". Now they do want to inflame the public?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Government Agency Not to Keep New Orleans Body Count Secret |
11 Sep 2005 05:48:38 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:YOudnZ2dnZ35SzmbnZ2dnUayvt6dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@comcast.com:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/09/10/katrina.media/index.html
U.S. won't ban media from New Orleans searches
CNN filed suit for right to cover search for bodies of Katrina
victims
Saturday, September 10, 2005; Posted: 12:56 p.m. EDT (16:56 GMT)
HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) -- Rather than fight a lawsuit by CNN, the
federal government abandoned its effort Saturday to prevent the media
from reporting on the recovery of the dead in New Orleans.
Joint Task Force Katrina "has no plans to bar, impede or prevent news
media from their news gathering and reporting activities in
connection with the deceased Hurricane Katrina victim recovery
efforts," said Col. Christian E. deGraff, representing the task
force.
The press didn't want to show the bodies from 9/11 for fear that it
"would inflame the public". Now they do want to inflame the public?
Well Fred, there's a bit of a difference between printing a body count and
showing bodies laying in the sun for several days. Even without the smell it
can get people upset.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Government Agency Not to Keep New Orleans Body Count Secret |
11 Sep 2005 12:45:25 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:WyPUe.2441$JN5.2294@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:YOudnZ2dnZ35SzmbnZ2dnUayvt6dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@comcast.com:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/09/10/katrina.media/index.html
U.S. won't ban media from New Orleans searches
CNN filed suit for right to cover search for bodies of Katrina
victims
Saturday, September 10, 2005; Posted: 12:56 p.m. EDT (16:56 GMT)
HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) -- Rather than fight a lawsuit by CNN, the
federal government abandoned its effort Saturday to prevent the
media from reporting on the recovery of the dead in New Orleans.
Joint Task Force Katrina "has no plans to bar, impede or prevent
news media from their news gathering and reporting activities in
connection with the deceased Hurricane Katrina victim recovery
efforts," said Col. Christian E. deGraff, representing the task
force.
The press didn't want to show the bodies from 9/11 for fear that it
"would inflame the public". Now they do want to inflame the public?
Well Fred, there's a bit of a difference between printing a body count
and showing bodies laying in the sun for several days. Even without
the smell it can get people upset.
But nobody was going to prevent the reporting of the body count from New
Orleans in the first place. The reporters want to film the bodies and
show them on TV.
And yet they decided not to show the jumpers from 9/11 or the bodies in
Saddam's mass graves in Iraq. I guess it's OK to upset people over storm
victims but not victims of America's enemies?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Government Agency Not to Keep New Orleans Body Count Secret |
11 Sep 2005 07:42:50 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:WyPUe.2441$JN5.2294@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:YOudnZ2dnZ35SzmbnZ2dnUayvt6dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@comcast.com:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/09/10/katrina.media/index.html
U.S. won't ban media from New Orleans searches
CNN filed suit for right to cover search for bodies of Katrina
victims
Saturday, September 10, 2005; Posted: 12:56 p.m. EDT (16:56 GMT)
HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) -- Rather than fight a lawsuit by CNN, the
federal government abandoned its effort Saturday to prevent the
media from reporting on the recovery of the dead in New Orleans.
Joint Task Force Katrina "has no plans to bar, impede or prevent
news media from their news gathering and reporting activities in
connection with the deceased Hurricane Katrina victim recovery
efforts," said Col. Christian E. deGraff, representing the task
force.
The press didn't want to show the bodies from 9/11 for fear that it
"would inflame the public". Now they do want to inflame the public?
Well Fred, there's a bit of a difference between printing a body
count and showing bodies laying in the sun for several days. Even
without the smell it can get people upset.
But nobody was going to prevent the reporting of the body count from
New Orleans in the first place. The reporters want to film the bodies
and show them on TV.
So they abandoned the plans they never had? "federal government abandoned
its effort Saturday to prevent the media from reporting on the recovery "
Either they contradicted themselves or the paragraph should have said "has
no *further* plans..."
The media has so far refrained from showing a lot of dead bodies even though
the reporters say they have seen them.
I suspect they will continue to refrain.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Government Agency Not to Keep New Orleans Body Count Secret |
11 Sep 2005 09:26:49 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:_M%Ue.66$5n4.45@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:WyPUe.2441$JN5.2294@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:YOudnZ2dnZ35SzmbnZ2dnUayvt6dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@comcast.com:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/09/10/katrina.media/index.html
U.S. won't ban media from New Orleans searches
CNN filed suit for right to cover search for bodies of Katrina
victims
Saturday, September 10, 2005; Posted: 12:56 p.m. EDT (16:56 GMT)
HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) -- Rather than fight a lawsuit by CNN, the
federal government abandoned its effort Saturday to prevent the
media from reporting on the recovery of the dead in New Orleans.
Joint Task Force Katrina "has no plans to bar, impede or prevent
news media from their news gathering and reporting activities in
connection with the deceased Hurricane Katrina victim recovery
efforts," said Col. Christian E. deGraff, representing the task
force.
The press didn't want to show the bodies from 9/11 for fear that it
"would inflame the public". Now they do want to inflame the public?
Well Fred, there's a bit of a difference between printing a body
count and showing bodies laying in the sun for several days. Even
without the smell it can get people upset.
But nobody was going to prevent the reporting of the body count from
New Orleans in the first place. The reporters want to film the bodies
and show them on TV.
So they abandoned the plans they never had? "federal government
abandoned its effort Saturday to prevent the media from reporting on
the recovery "
That was slightly misleading. They never tried to stop anybody from
reporting the count, they only wanted to stop them from ghoulishly
filming them while they recovered the bodies.
Either they contradicted themselves or the paragraph should have said
"has no *further* plans..."
The media has so far refrained from showing a lot of dead bodies even
though the reporters say they have seen them.
I suspect they will continue to refrain.
CNN were the ones who sued for the "right" to show bodies.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Government Agency Not to Keep New Orleans Body Count Secret |
12 Sep 2005 03:05:12 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
<snip>
HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) -- Rather than fight a lawsuit by CNN, the
federal government abandoned its effort Saturday to prevent the
media from reporting on the recovery of the dead in New Orleans.
Joint Task Force Katrina "has no plans to bar, impede or prevent
news media from their news gathering and reporting activities in
connection with the deceased Hurricane Katrina victim recovery
efforts," said Col. Christian E. deGraff, representing the task
force.
The press didn't want to show the bodies from 9/11 for fear that
it "would inflame the public". Now they do want to inflame the
public?
Well Fred, there's a bit of a difference between printing a body
count and showing bodies laying in the sun for several days. Even
without the smell it can get people upset.
But nobody was going to prevent the reporting of the body count from
New Orleans in the first place. The reporters want to film the
bodies and show them on TV.
So they abandoned the plans they never had? "federal government
abandoned its effort Saturday to prevent the media from reporting on
the recovery "
That was slightly misleading. They never tried to stop anybody from
reporting the count, they only wanted to stop them from ghoulishly
filming them while they recovered the bodies.
Were you there Fred? That seems to be your mantra now.
Or did you just read the same thing I did and decide to ignore the part
about what the government said?
Either they contradicted themselves or the paragraph should have said
"has no *further* plans..."
The media has so far refrained from showing a lot of dead bodies even
though the reporters say they have seen them.
I suspect they will continue to refrain.
CNN were the ones who sued for the "right" to show bodies.
Were you there Fred? Did CNN tell you exclusively that they just wanted to
film bodies?
You must have been there because that is *not* what was reported.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Government Agency Not to Keep New Orleans Body Count Secret |
12 Sep 2005 12:56:05 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:If6Ve.215$2J3.201@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
<snip>
HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) -- Rather than fight a lawsuit by CNN, the
federal government abandoned its effort Saturday to prevent the
media from reporting on the recovery of the dead in New Orleans.
Joint Task Force Katrina "has no plans to bar, impede or prevent
news media from their news gathering and reporting activities in
connection with the deceased Hurricane Katrina victim recovery
efforts," said Col. Christian E. deGraff, representing the task
force.
The press didn't want to show the bodies from 9/11 for fear that
it "would inflame the public". Now they do want to inflame the
public?
Well Fred, there's a bit of a difference between printing a body
count and showing bodies laying in the sun for several days. Even
without the smell it can get people upset.
But nobody was going to prevent the reporting of the body count
from New Orleans in the first place. The reporters want to film the
bodies and show them on TV.
So they abandoned the plans they never had? "federal government
abandoned its effort Saturday to prevent the media from reporting
on the recovery "
That was slightly misleading. They never tried to stop anybody from
reporting the count, they only wanted to stop them from ghoulishly
filming them while they recovered the bodies.
Were you there Fred? That seems to be your mantra now.
Are you a fundie now?
Or did you just read the same thing I did and decide to ignore the
part about what the government said?
I read it. CNN is trying to imply in thie report that the Feds wanted to
bar *all* reporting, but they didn't. The feds have *announced* the
numbers of bodies recovered.
Either they contradicted themselves or the paragraph should have
said "has no *further* plans..."
The media has so far refrained from showing a lot of dead bodies
even though the reporters say they have seen them.
I suspect they will continue to refrain.
CNN were the ones who sued for the "right" to show bodies.
Were you there Fred? Did CNN tell you exclusively that they just
wanted to film bodies?
I read other reports about what CNN was suing for.
You must have been there because that is *not* what was reported.
You must not be paying attention to anything but CNN.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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12 Sep 2005 01:48:02 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:1126529765.e9ed49a788acf591fc6b4e9a26bf49d3@teranews:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:If6Ve.215$2J3.201@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
<snip>
HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) -- Rather than fight a lawsuit by CNN, the
federal government abandoned its effort Saturday to prevent the
media from reporting on the recovery of the dead in New
Orleans.
Joint Task Force Katrina "has no plans to bar, impede or
prevent
news media from their news gathering and reporting activities
in
connection with the deceased Hurricane Katrina victim recovery
efforts," said Col. Christian E. deGraff, representing the task
force.
The press didn't want to show the bodies from 9/11 for fear that
it "would inflame the public". Now they do want to inflame the
public?
Well Fred, there's a bit of a difference between printing a body
count and showing bodies laying in the sun for several days. Even
without the smell it can get people upset.
But nobody was going to prevent the reporting of the body count
from New Orleans in the first place. The reporters want to film
the
bodies and show them on TV.
So they abandoned the plans they never had? "federal government
abandoned its effort Saturday to prevent the media from reporting
on the recovery "
That was slightly misleading. They never tried to stop anybody from
reporting the count, they only wanted to stop them from ghoulishly
filming them while they recovered the bodies.
Were you there Fred? That seems to be your mantra now.
Are you a fundie now?
Or did you just read the same thing I did and decide to ignore the
part about what the government said?
I read it. CNN is trying to imply in thie report that the Feds wanted
to
bar *all* reporting, but they didn't. The feds have *announced* the
numbers of bodies recovered.
Either they contradicted themselves or the paragraph should have
said "has no *further* plans..."
The media has so far refrained from showing a lot of dead bodies
even though the reporters say they have seen them.
I suspect they will continue to refrain.
CNN were the ones who sued for the "right" to show bodies.
Were you there Fred? Did CNN tell you exclusively that they just
wanted to film bodies?
I read other reports about what CNN was suing for.
http://www.13wham.com/news/national/story.aspx?content_id=2E84618C-D56F-
4399-A304-1102EEF4A861
You must have been there because that is *not* what was reported.
You must not be paying attention to anything but CNN.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: Government Agency Not to Keep New Orleans Body Count Secret |
11 Sep 2005 12:57:02 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:48:35 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:YOudnZ2dnZ35SzmbnZ2dnUayvt6dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@comcast.com:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/09/10/katrina.media/index.html
U.S. won't ban media from New Orleans searches
CNN filed suit for right to cover search for bodies of Katrina victims
Saturday, September 10, 2005; Posted: 12:56 p.m. EDT (16:56 GMT)
HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) -- Rather than fight a lawsuit by CNN, the
federal government abandoned its effort Saturday to prevent the media
from reporting on the recovery of the dead in New Orleans.
Joint Task Force Katrina "has no plans to bar, impede or prevent news
media from their news gathering and reporting activities in connection
with the deceased Hurricane Katrina victim recovery efforts," said
Col. Christian E. deGraff, representing the task force.
The press didn't want to show the bodies from 9/11 for fear that it
"would inflame the public". Now they do want to inflame the public?
Inflame the public against whom Fred? This was a hurricane, not an
enemy.
Freudian slip, eh? You think people will get angry at Bush when they
see the bodies. That could only be because you think he's at fault.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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11 Sep 2005 02:28:02 PM |
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(Kate ) wrote in news:436528b6.311774000@news-
west.newscene.com:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:48:35 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:YOudnZ2dnZ35SzmbnZ2dnUayvt6dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@comcast.com:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/09/10/katrina.media/index.html
U.S. won't ban media from New Orleans searches
CNN filed suit for right to cover search for bodies of Katrina
victims
Saturday, September 10, 2005; Posted: 12:56 p.m. EDT (16:56 GMT)
HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) -- Rather than fight a lawsuit by CNN, the
federal government abandoned its effort Saturday to prevent the
media
from reporting on the recovery of the dead in New Orleans.
Joint Task Force Katrina "has no plans to bar, impede or prevent
news
media from their news gathering and reporting activities in
connection
with the deceased Hurricane Katrina victim recovery efforts," said
Col. Christian E. deGraff, representing the task force.
The press didn't want to show the bodies from 9/11 for fear that it
"would inflame the public". Now they do want to inflame the public?
Inflame the public against whom Fred? This was a hurricane, not an
enemy.
So why do they want to show the bodies?
Freudian slip, eh? You think people will get angry at Bush when they
see the bodies. That could only be because you think he's at fault.
Now Kate's a mindreader, too. Say, Kate, what did I have for breakfast
today?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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| User: "fester" |
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| Title: Re: Government Agency Not to Keep New Orleans Body Count Secret |
11 Sep 2005 11:16:38 PM |
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Kate wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:48:35 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in
news:YOudnZ2dnZ35SzmbnZ2dnUayvt6dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@comcast.com:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/09/10/katrina.media/index.html
U.S. won't ban media from New Orleans searches
CNN filed suit for right to cover search for bodies of Katrina victims
Saturday, September 10, 2005; Posted: 12:56 p.m. EDT (16:56 GMT)
HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) -- Rather than fight a lawsuit by CNN, the
federal government abandoned its effort Saturday to prevent the media
from reporting on the recovery of the dead in New Orleans.
Joint Task Force Katrina "has no plans to bar, impede or prevent news
media from their news gathering and reporting activities in connection
with the deceased Hurricane Katrina victim recovery efforts," said
Col. Christian E. deGraff, representing the task force.
The press didn't want to show the bodies from 9/11 for fear that it
"would inflame the public". Now they do want to inflame the public?
Inflame the public against whom Fred? This was a hurricane, not an
enemy.
Freudian slip, eh? You think people will get angry at Bush when they
see the bodies. That could only be because you think he's at fault.
Now, Hate (sorry Freudian slip), we all know that the Donkeys, to include their
MSM allies, have been striving mightily (and vainly) to exploit this disaster to
criticize Bush. So why shouldn't that obvious fact come to mind when
considering CNN's motives?
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